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How Would You Enjoy Heaven, If...? by Nobody: 1:02pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
Every religion has its own concept for "heaven" and "hell". But the Christian-version of heaven and the requirements for adoption begs a lot of question. And by implication, the validity of presenting a loving God in the picture of "burning people for eternity" still remains unsound. Well, my question for Christians, fellow humans, is this... How do you see an end where, by chance, your son, daughter, brother, father or mother, burning in some "lake of fire" for eternity? Whatever the reason(s) maybe. Perhaps, lies, fornication, lust, stealing, murder... Or like me, they just don't see any sense in the whole story, no proofs or evidences. Because we are not scared of your God's hell, we would burn? How is this enjoyable or pleasurable? |
Re: How Would You Enjoy Heaven, If...? by Scholar8200(m): 1:32pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
Hell and/or lake of fire was not originally made for man. Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into[b] everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:[/b] But we have our choices on where we end. And, while the absence of loved ones may be sad, there will be tears but they will be wiped off. let me ask, have you ever lost a loved one? If yes, how long did it take you to grieve? If such loss now is not grieved throughout a lifetime, how much less in Eternity? Besides, that is why earnest efforts are made to help such while they are alive and a change can still be made. |
Re: How Would You Enjoy Heaven, If...? by Nobody: 1:38pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
Scholar8200:But there would be more men in hell than in heaven. Whoever made hell must have made a big mistake. And how can I even begin to consider your baseless story. |
Re: How Would You Enjoy Heaven, If...? by Scholar8200(m): 1:51pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
Pyrrho:Alright. |
Re: How Would You Enjoy Heaven, If...? by promise10: 4:35pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
Pyrrho: Please, see things you should know first. 1. HELL WAS AND IS NOT MEANT FOR SINNERS BUT THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS. 2. WE ARE NOT SINNERS DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE COMMIT SIN, BUT BECAUSE IT IS OUR ADAMIC INHERITED NATURE(which means that our sins are not our fault and God knows that, that's the essence of Jesus) 3. ANYONE WHO BELIEVES IN THE ATONEMENT OF SINS MADE AVAILABLE IN CHRIST JESUS, CANNOT SEE HELL because his sins has been judged and condemned to death on the flesh of christ on the cross. John said; He spared not his son, that we may have the GIFT(no work needed) of righteousness/eternal life+ Beloved, if you believe that christ died for your sins in your place, YOU ARE FOREVER JUSTIFIED unless you stop believing in jesus' finished work, then let it be in your subconscious mind that your sins(past sins, present mistakes and future mistakes) has been judged, condemned to death on christ(do you think that christ's death is in vain? NOOOO, NEVER!!!) and forgotten about(God said he will remember your sins NO MORE!- Heb 10:17), no matter what because you have been forever Justified and prove not guilty by christ, that's why it is called grace- unmerited favour/what we do not deserve. If not for grace, then all of us(no matter how righteous you think you are) will be heading to hell because the law that was given was too harsh that no one could keep it and jesus came and made it harsher, in Matt 5, so that the law keepers (pharisees) will know that with law they are going no where but by total surrender to grace(jesus, as he is full of grace and truth) If you will still be punished for your past sins and future mistakes that has been punished on christ, when you believe in christ, then it means that christ was not sacrificed but murdered by God. A sinner will not go to hell because of the fact that the person committed sin(atonement for sin has been made available -grace) but because the person is disbelieving his(christ)death by thinking that there is another more work(self righteousness -an insult to grace) required of him to be saved or that the person refused the man who took the consequence of the sins of the world(including his or hers), the wages of everyman's sin which is DEATH to himself by dying on the cross, and the man is Jesus CHRIST. THERE IS NO WORK REQUIRED FOR OUR SALVATION, BUT ONLY TO CALL UPON THE NAME OF JESU AND WE SHALL BE SAVED, BECAUSE OUR GIFT OF RIGHTEOUS(eternal life) IS NOT ABOUT OUR WORKS BUT CHRIST'S WORK. So, we are enjoying what christ has provided and not what we have provided for ourselves because even us, were so BANKRUPT, KIDNAPPED and CAPTIVATED that we couldn't provide righteousness/eternal life for ourselves until christ came and offered himself to the devil as a ransom for our freedom. Jesus said; whosoever that shall call upon me shall be saved. There is no amount of right living you will live, for you to merit the gift of eternal life/please GOD that's why the bible says "our righteousness is as filthy rag before God" that's why Jesus has to come and die for us so that our lost relationship will be restored with God(with sin or no sin) The first problem with many of us is that we hardly forgive ourselves even after accepting christ. Secondly, the problem of wrong believing. Thirdly, we are too sin-concious instead of love and grace-concious. As for me, each time I see sin before me and I remember God's love and grace, I will just be consumed be his love or possibly burst in tears of joy(simply because I don't worth such love because in my holiest form I AM A BEAST before God) and overcome the sin without stress or even unknowingly. I don't even know when last I committed sin(not boasting, but giving thanks to his grace) but still when I look at my works(which is 100% right living at times) and look at the grace of God, I will simply call myself A BEAST, but in christ I AM A HOLY NATION, A ROYAL PRIESTHOOD, RIGHTEOUS KING, A CHOSEN ONE, CHILD OF YAWEH(as christ is, so are we in faith)because I can't compare my works to the grace and love of God through christ. SEE HOW TO LIVE UNDER THE GRACE OF GOD AFTER SAYING YOUR SALVATION PRAYER. 1. Forgive yourself and forget your former sins, and try your best to see yourself as HOLY, LOVELY, RIGHTEOUS before God, under all cost, no matter what you did, doing and will do. STOP FEELING GUILTY ALL THE TIME!!! If God loves you and you do not love the "you" that God loves, then how do you think that you can feel the manifestation of God's love for you, even when it is abundant. Therefore, love and appreciate God for his grace and as well love yourself. Sometimes tell yourself "I am the righteousness of God in christ and as christ is, so am I". No matter what you are doing! Though the devil may condemn you by calling you a hypocrite, then a good time reply to him;"There is no condemnation to them that live in the nature of christ who live not after the nature of the sin, but after the spirit of grace". 2. Start being GOD'S GRACE & LOVE-CONCIOUS instead of SIN-CONCIOUS.(It will make you to always thinks about how kind, lovely and graceful God is throughout your life). Constant looking up to Jesus the author and the finisher of our faith. The consequences of law keeping/law consciousness is that it leads to self-righteousness which leads to sin-conciousness which leads to condemnation which leads to death in hell since you have already condemned yourself by law whereas you are justified by grace in christ jesus. At the point you start pointing out faults from your right living, then you fall from grace. That's the problem with Adam and Eve Devil(to Adam and Eve): if you eat this fruit, you will be like God(while they are already like God). And when they put in their effort to be like God, without knowing that they were made to be like God, they lost their graceful likeness of God by dying spiritually. 3. Start believing rightly, ask the holyspirit to help you understand before reading the bible and to give you the revelations that are behind the letters. No.3 solution is the problem with many christians who misunderstood Mathew 5: 17-18 and Romans 6:1. It is a very big problem to them that makes them to ignorantly reject grace and stick to law without even knowing. EXPLANTION: 1.While in Mathew 5: 17-18, Jesus said"17. Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets; I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18. For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one title shall in no wise pass from the law, TILL ALL BE FULLFILLED." It simply means UNTIL ALL IS FULFILLED the law will not be abolished. So Question; UNTIL WHEN WAS ALL FULFILLED? Answer; AT THE CROSS, at the point he said "IT IS FINISHED!!!" And gave up the ghost, the law became abolished. Now, we are not saved by work (law)but by faith (grace) we have in christ. 2. In Romans 6:1;"what shall we say then? Shall we continue IN sin, that grace may abound?" The problem with believers and this chapter is that they combine sin, as in, nature and act as act. Sin are in two aspect BY NATURE AND BY ACTION. Of which every single soul in this life is sinful by nature, even if a new born baby, but in the case of a new born baby he will go to heaven(if I should say) because the baby has not reached an age of accountability and of course, didn't reject accepting Jesus. So, when you see or hear "IN" it is talking about nature and when you see "TO" it is talking about action. The word "IN" in that verse means NATURE and not action. See the difference; "shall we continue IN(nature) sin" and "shall we continue TO(action) sin" That's why he went to the next 2 verses to say; "2. GOD FORBID! How shall we that are dead to sin(you can't be dead to an action but can be dead to a nature), live any longer thereIN(nature of sin)? 3. Know ye not, that so many of us as baptized INto(nature of christ) Jesus christ were baptized into (nature of) his death" I pray that anyone who is not sure of his salvation will be very and certainly sure about his or her salvation in Jesus' name, say AMEEN. 1 Like |
Re: How Would You Enjoy Heaven, If...? by Nobody: 7:38pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
promise10:Pheeeew! Very long one. Can you pls answer the question now? What shall it profit you to spend eternity in heaven when your fellow human is burning in hell? What shall it profit you? Pleasure? What does your God benefit from all hell? |
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