QURAN 2:132

The same did Abraham enjoin upon his sons, and also Jacob, (saying): O my sons! Lo! Allah hath chosen for you the (true) religion; therefore die not save as men who have surrendered (unto Him).


QURAN 7:143

And Moses fell down senseless. And when he woke he said: Glory unto Thee! I turn unto Thee repentant, and I am the first of (true) believers.



QURAN 39:12
And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who are muslims (surrender unto Him).

No wonder muslims are so CONFUSED!

No muslim to answer? I knew it lol

I hope gen2genius is educated? You should know that no two men in the list of three were alie as muslim, side by side at any time. Am I correct? If I am, each man was the first as a mslim in his own time! What they have in common was prophethood, leadership of people and did not live in the same time!

I respond to this as the typical process of how flawed your arguments are!

you left the verse about ibrahim saying he is the first muslim, in his time in chapter 6!

Just answer a simple question. Who was the first muslim - Abraham, Moses or Muhammad?

What the verse means is first muslims from their people, who were non-muslims. Not first muslims to ever live.

SeanT21:

When did Abraham and Moses become muslims??

in allah's imagination. as a matter of FACT adam was also a muslim.

fellis:

What the verse means is first muslims from their people, who were non-muslims. Not first muslims to ever live.

Please can u be more coherent and stop trying to decieve yourself by twisting the quran to mean something else that it clearly does not mean. It is very clear from the quran wat is being said.

The quran did not say: first amongst non-muslims
The quran said: first muslim

Those are two different statements and meaning entirely, moreover how come the quran did not make it clear  and forcing you to re-interprete for us. If the quran is not clear on that, then wat other thing are we also suppose to reinterprete (e.g. let me guess murky water and setting sun, farthest mosque in jerusalem that mohammed never visited but said he did and the list goes on and on)


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gen2genius:

QURAN 2:132

The same did Abraham enjoin upon his sons, and also Jacob, (saying): O my sons! Lo! Allah hath chosen for you the (true) religion; therefore die not save as men who have surrendered (unto Him).


QURAN 7:143
   
And Moses fell down senseless. And when he woke he said: Glory unto Thee! I turn unto Thee repentant, and I am the first of (true) believers.


QURAN 39:12
    And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who are muslims (surrender unto Him).

No wonder muslims are so CONFUSED!

I want to use muslims words against them, so that they would not be able to dance around and lie that its not true. First and foremost, let us understand that:



- Muslims say a child born to a muslim father is a muslim

- From above, the quran says abraham talked to allah (which he did not cus allah was a moon god) and also that abraham told his sons and jacob
that following allah is the true religion.


Now let us notice the following observations from the quoted quran verses.

Thus from above, it means:

- Abraham was a muslim

- Abraham's sons were muslims by birth (according to muslims) and because Abraham told them about Allah.

- Jacob was also a muslim by birth.

- All descendants of Jacob were muslims by birth.

- Moses was a muslim by birth.

- Isrealites are descendants of Jacob, hence it means isrealites are also muslims by birth.


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Now let us notice the following serious problems of obvious contradiction noticed immediately from the quoted verses and raised points.


1. The Quran says:

Moses was claimed to be the first muslim. 



2. The Quran implies:

Abraham was also claimed to be the first muslim 


3. The Quran implies:

Jacob was already born while Abraham was still alive   


The other contradictions are that:


How came Allah talk to Abraham wen there was no god called Allah until the time of Mohammed who himself is a descendant of Abraham as a result of the lineage of Ishmeal.

Isrealites are not muslims, were never muslims and have never called themselves muslims.

There is no god or Creator called "Allah" in land, language and history of children of Isreal, instead the word allah originated from the names of idols worshipped by Arabs before the birth of Mohammed himself.

Isrealites don't have anything to do with descendants of Ishmeal apart from being descendants of Abraham.

Moses never called himself a muslim.

Moses never called the Creator by the name Allah.

How can Moses be the first muslim when even the quran says that children of Jacob are supposed to be muslims by birth considering Moses did not come before other children of Jacob and Abraham.

Jacob was the son of Isaac.

Jacob was not yet born until Abraham had already died, hence how did Abraham tell Jacob something wen its obvious that Jacob was not even existing then.

SeanT21:

When did Abraham and Moses become muslims??

the same day christians and muslims decided to rip off jewish mythology.

this thread cannot be abandone - the first Muslim are mohammed and his wives including the 9 year old (which will be term today as child abuse)

Who is a muslim ? One become a muslim by submitting himself to Allah. Prophets are sent to people to guide them and make them submit themselves to Allah. Hence, the man to call them to worship will have to be the first man to submit himself to God therefore he is the first muslim, Adam was the first muslim during his nation, Abraham was the first muslim during his nation, Moses, jesus and finally Muhammad is the first muslim in this nation as we are his followers. I can claim to be the first muslim in my village if am the first to submit to Allah. Now you know what a muslim means

islam and fables. Lot of twisted stories in the Quran, its even funny atimes!!

On when death overtake you, so shall you know if Islam is fable or real.

Quran 3:10
'verily, those who disbelieve, neither their properties nor their offspring will avail them whatsoever against Allah, and it is they who will be fuel for hell'

@ Abuzola
The Bible say 'whosoever that believeth not is comdemed already" so abuzola, u are DOOMED ALREADY.
Therefore, i put it to u today: "Accept the Lord Jesus christ and thou shall be saved"

Papa giddy, who is your God ? jesus or jehova, God or son ? Convince me. Do we really had God on earth ?

Abuzola:

Papa giddy, who is your God ? jesus or jehova, God or son ? Convince me. Do we really had God on earth ?

Another confused soul needing deliverance. Help them O! God,

Nezan:

Another confused soul needing deliverance. Help them O! God,

Quran 3:10
'verily, those who disbelieve, neither their properties nor their offspring will avail them whatsoever against Allah, and it is they who will be fuel for hell'

Nezan:

Another confused soul needing deliverance. Help them O! God,

@Nezan
Answer the man if you have any instead of ur hubbub

@Abuzola,
not all of them believe in that myth of the father and the son, some believe that both are one, one god came down after comlete pregnany to sacrifice them; Orthodox do in East Europe, Russia, Greece, Egypt, and Ethiopia
So, who should they worship, the father and the son or the one god that came down. Even they are not unified on who to worship