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Re: Igbo Fraud Permanently Put To Rest. Bonny (ibani) Language Compared With Igbo by amInigerian: 7:10pm On May 18, 2016 |
Adaure4ever:[size=13pt]This is how Igbos arrive at historical facts about themselves and others: Step 1): Imagine a thing that feeds their peculiar case of historical grandeur mirage. Step 2): Come out in public and assert it as a prof would assert a fact. Step 3): Repeat step 2 until the folly therein has been exposed. Step 4): Start from step 1 all over again. You don't know the dominating role Nember, Kalabari, Bonny etc played in pre-colonial trade in the south-south because historically, you are an illitrate [/size] Now let me help screw your mind back unto reality again. Look at my sources on the issue below, which of course I had already been educated on as a matter of recognized necessity when growing up. It just happens to be that when making any claims, to avoid giving the impression to serious minded folks that you are a lunatic breathing out whatever he thinks, credible sources must be cited. What is your response to what all credible history says:- 1). About your being sold as slaves to almost all the kingdoms of the south-south? 2). About the white man's need to create paramount chiefs for you in order to make indirect rule work for him? 3). About the fact that the white man had to pay taxes to the kings of Bonny, Kalabari, Nembe etc, in order to do business in their territories? 1 Like
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Re: Igbo Fraud Permanently Put To Rest. Bonny (ibani) Language Compared With Igbo by Nobody: 12:54am On May 19, 2016 |
amInigerian:so this is how little your pathetic i.q is? Slave trade happened in almost all africa, the fathers/mothers of the yorubas slave descendants in brazil were taken from Nigeria. 2) Igbos or Ibos or Igbos have been mentioned many times before the colonizers came, e.g Oluduah Equinoh biography work.. There is no mention of ijaw in any precolonial article. 3) Arochukwu, Nri, Nnewi, Onitcha practised monarchy before the white man came but the rest of the Igbo clans praticed a Republican style with an Age grades system. 4) Igbo influence is felt outside Nigeria and Africa but ijaw begin and end in the poverty stricken creeks.. Igbo-ukwu is the second oldest civilazation in Nigeria, is there any well know ijaw civilization?NONE 5) we are proud that indirect rule failed in Igbo land, many wars of resistance against the british was from Igbo land. 6) even today, Obi of Onitcha, Igwe Of Nnewi, Ezearo of Arochukwu and Asagba of Asaba are more influential, respected and popular than any Ijaw mushroom monarchs.. Don't drag me back to this ur dumb thread. Thank me for a little lesson i just taught you. 10 Likes |
Re: Igbo Fraud Permanently Put To Rest. Bonny (ibani) Language Compared With Igbo by oboy3(m): 12:47am On May 20, 2016 |
Adaure4ever:chei this is 4 Likes |
Re: Igbo Fraud Permanently Put To Rest. Bonny (ibani) Language Compared With Igbo by coolscott(m): 12:03am On May 24, 2016 |
Ariani:[size=13pt]There are no Igbo descendants in Bonny Township any more except those who have come in recent times in search of greener pastures just as the place is full of Hausas and Akwa-Ibomites today. Every Igbo man that got bought into Bonny as a slave and who was not sold unto the whit man's ship, and who did not die in the interim, had his head shaved in public, in an open ceremony in which he denounced wherever it was he came from and took on a the new identity, pledging fealty to the Bonny kingdom and none other. With their mouths they confessed fealty (loyalty), and agreed to be symbolically shaved in public as an open display of their new sworn loyalty. In that ceremony, they were even given a new name (just like Kunta Kinte was renamed Toby) which they publicly accepted as they fell in line into their newly accepted identity. And please, the population of Bonny people living in the regions of the kingdom outside the capital, are more than the ones living in the capital. Just as the the population in Abuja is far less than that of the rest of Nigeria. [/size]
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Re: Igbo Fraud Permanently Put To Rest. Bonny (ibani) Language Compared With Igbo by coolscott(m): 1:33am On May 24, 2016 |
Adaure4ever:[size=13pt]When I say that Igbos are mostly empty when it comes to even their own personal history, not to talk of others'. When I say that this is the process by which they arrive at their own historical education... Step 1): Imagine a thing that feeds their peculiar case of historical grandeur mirage. Step 2): Come out in public and assert it as a prof would assert a fact. Step 3): Repeat step 2 until the folly therein has been exposed. Step 4): Start from step 1 all over again. I get emphatically proven right again and again. Go to the book, Nigeria Under British Rule (1927) written by Sir William M.N. Geary, first published on August 25, 1965 by Rutledge. Go and read page 69 to 72 :: ISBN-10: 0714616664 :: ISBN-13: 978-0714616667 Go to the book, From Slave Trade to Empire: European Colonisation of Black Africa 1780s-1880s Edited by Olivier Pétré-Grenouilleau, first published on October 26, 2004 by Rutledge. Go to read page 52 :: ISBN-10: 0714656917 :: ISBN-13: 978-0714656915 I know you do not have these books so I a have put up screenshots here. We do not say that there aren't any records of the affairs of Igbo clans, villages or in some cases, kingdoms. Just please let us see the credible sources that show us the extent of the strength of their influence. And let us also see how they happen to be Ijaws or how Ijaws happen to be them. Honestly, it is not bad for threads like these to continue. It helps to create a distinction between respect for knowledge and just confident ignorance. I trust every neutral observer can spot the difference. [/size] oboy3
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Re: Igbo Fraud Permanently Put To Rest. Bonny (ibani) Language Compared With Igbo by Nobody: 7:37am On May 24, 2016 |
coolscott:so I have beaten you blue and black in your other profile "Oboy3" so you signed in with this one. 1. Before the white man came, Arochukwu Confederacy was very influential and powerful in the whole lower niger area, it is documented.. No ijaw mushroom kingdom was influential. 2. Before the white man came, there were people who beared the name Igbo in their names and villages like Igboukwu, Igbouzo, Akwuku Igbo, Igboeze, Aro-okeIgbo etc is there any pre-colonial ijaw village that beared the name ijaw in it. That means that your mushroom ijaw tribe is a pure colonial creation.. Everyone knows that. 3. In achievements, you people should go and compete with the Urhobos, Itsekili, We are Not your mates pls in any ranking. 4. Even today, Obi of Onitsha, Igwe of Nnewi, Eze Nri, Asagba of Asaba, Ezearo of Arochukwu etc Are more popular and respected than Any ijaw mushroom monarch. Is there any popular ijaw king in Nigeria? NONE, Mr minority. 5. Igbos had an ancient Igboukwu civilization, second oldest in Nigeria, is there any ijaw civilization known? NONE. 6. We are not your mates pls.. Shoe get size, go and look for ur size.. Even in the next 100yrs, you people will still be a minority tribe that exist in a poverty stricken creek. I do not hate your ijaw tribe, hate is not in me for God is love but you guys are taught to hate Igbos during childhood and I will never give you that platform. 4 Likes |
Re: Igbo Fraud Permanently Put To Rest. Bonny (ibani) Language Compared With Igbo by coolscott(m): 12:43pm On May 24, 2016 |
Adaure4ever: [size=17pt]Shaking my head. Why don't you show documented proof of your ancient civilisations? I have shown here how Kalabaris, Nembes and Bonny people sold Igbo slaves to the white man. It is everywhere how we collected taxes from the white man in order for him to use our water ways. Show us the expression of your own organisation/power. What were your own activities?[/size] |
Re: Igbo Fraud Permanently Put To Rest. Bonny (ibani) Language Compared With Igbo by Owobobrown(m): 6:43am On Jun 08, 2016 |
96xtr6r:you tell you kabba OKun detest been called Yoruba, you can so lie |
Re: Igbo Fraud Permanently Put To Rest. Bonny (ibani) Language Compared With Igbo by IkpuMmadu: 7:18am On Jun 08, 2016 |
Owobobrown: But kabba said that they are not Yoruba people |
Re: Igbo Fraud Permanently Put To Rest. Bonny (ibani) Language Compared With Igbo by IkpuMmadu: 7:21am On Jun 08, 2016 |
coolscott: Igbo still sold efik and ijaw slaves ..igbo are known merchants so I don't think ijaw can beat igbo in trading So what are you talking Ijaw a colonial creation 2 Likes |
Re: Igbo Fraud Permanently Put To Rest. Bonny (ibani) Language Compared With Igbo by Owobobrown(m): 8:30am On Jun 08, 2016 |
IkpuMmadu:lol we are very proud of our heritage,its just undeniable |
Re: Igbo Fraud Permanently Put To Rest. Bonny (ibani) Language Compared With Igbo by IkpuMmadu: 8:46am On Jun 08, 2016 |
Owobobrown: Who are the we? |
Re: Igbo Fraud Permanently Put To Rest. Bonny (ibani) Language Compared With Igbo by Owobobrown(m): 8:51am On Jun 08, 2016 |
IkpuMmadu:Okun people |
Re: Igbo Fraud Permanently Put To Rest. Bonny (ibani) Language Compared With Igbo by coolscott(m): 11:05pm On Jun 08, 2016 |
IkpuMmadu:[size=13pt]See how you are displaying your own ignorance of your own history. The only Igbos that sold slaves where Igbo middlemen catching and buying Igbo slaves from igbo land and selling them to the Ijaw kingdoms, which in turn sold them to the white men's ships. The igorance of this generation's Igbos about even their own history is alarming. The slave storage houses where Igbos were kept in some Ijaw kingdoms still exist. Records of slave trading between Ijaws and white men have been kept for hundreds of years and still exist. All the records of slave trades in the world from anywhere and anywhere, if it has igbos in it, depicts the Igbos as the slaves or hinter land middle men, but more as slaves. So you don't imagine wishes into being facts of history. It is not the fault of Igbos that they were sold as slaves by their own brothers and Ijaws. If it was Igbos living in the south-south region, the white man might have done business with them, getting whoever was in the hinterland to be sold as slaves. But somehow, they found themselves in the hinterlands and Ijaws found themselves at the coast, and there was nothing anyone could do about that at that time. And I hope you know that the from i. the white men who engaged in the trade, ii. to the Ijaw people who bought and sold these slaves, iii. to the Arochukwu Igbos who specialised in transporting and selling their brothers off to Ijaw land all participated in human wickedness. Why do you want to lay claim to a piece of that wickedness?[/size] |
Re: Igbo Fraud Permanently Put To Rest. Bonny (ibani) Language Compared With Igbo by IkpuMmadu: 7:24am On Jun 09, 2016 |
coolscott: Research about Aros then come back let's talk Who knows Ijaws in modern history Thank lord for jaja that Igbo man that brought u guys to limelight You should have been in backwaters 4 Likes |
Re: Igbo Fraud Permanently Put To Rest. Bonny (ibani) Language Compared With Igbo by coolscott(m): 7:26pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
IkpuMmadu:[size=13pt]You have again advertised your ignorance and now you have given me an opportunity to reveal it to the whole world on nairaland. I hope you are ready[/size] [size=13pt]If you are wise, you will just keep quiet because the more you let people like me talk, the more you educate the rest of the viewing world on the peculiar kind of gleeful ignorance that fuels your kind. I hope you are ready. By the way, Jaja was a slave bought by Ijaws into the Ijaw Kingdom of Bonny, and who passed through the public hair shaving ceremony in which he renounced wherever he came from and swore loyalty to the kingdom, and also accepted a new Bonny name. It will be interesting to know what your imagination told you Jaja brought from the outskirts of Nkere from where he is said to have been captured by slave hunters[/size] [size=13pt]It is important to note that the slaves who got their heads shaved in the induction ceremony were the ones whose owners spared from "the journey of no return" on the white man's ships. Also, it is because you are powered by ignorance that you do not know everything worth knowing about Nigerian history.[/size] |
Re: Igbo Fraud Permanently Put To Rest. Bonny (ibani) Language Compared With Igbo by coolscott(m): 7:50pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
IkpuMmadu:[size=13pt]Let us start first by looking at the recorded role the Igbos played in the slave trade. Visit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_people_in_the_Atlantic_slave_trade A screen shot of the page at the link provided above is attached below:[/size]
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Re: Igbo Fraud Permanently Put To Rest. Bonny (ibani) Language Compared With Igbo by Nobody: 6:18pm On Aug 21, 2016 |
96xtr6r: Which opobo man said this....liar post the recording where Dakukubie(which means fathers heart in Ibani) Said this, was this the same Dakuku that was on ait and gave his opinion as Ibani Ijaw on the death of dsp alamiesigha |
Re: Igbo Fraud Permanently Put To Rest. Bonny (ibani) Language Compared With Igbo by Nobody: 6:32pm On Aug 21, 2016 |
I only have a question , why is it that it is the Igbos from south east that are claiming the Ibani Kingdoms of Opubo-ama and Okolo-ama, we have consistently said we are Ibani-Ijaw and our naming system, culture, leadership and our own Ijaw dialect Ibani egere abi na by force to be Igbo, |
Re: Igbo Fraud Permanently Put To Rest. Bonny (ibani) Language Compared With Igbo by Nobody: 6:32pm On Aug 21, 2016 |
I only have a question , why is it that it is the Igbos from south east that are claiming the Ibani Kingdoms of Opubo-ama and Okolo-ama, we have consistently said we are Ibani-Ijaw and our naming system, culture, leadership and our have own Ijaw dialect Ibani egere abi na by force to be Igbo. |
Re: Igbo Fraud Permanently Put To Rest. Bonny (ibani) Language Compared With Igbo by Nobody: 5:38am On Aug 25, 2016 |
[s] Adaure4ever:[/s] Stop this your Ijaw phobia the Ijaw nation stands strong in delta rivers bayelsa akwaibom edo and ondo state |
Re: Igbo Fraud Permanently Put To Rest. Bonny (ibani) Language Compared With Igbo by Nobody: 5:42am On Aug 25, 2016 |
[s] 96xtr6r:[/s] This is a big lie Opobo is Ibani Ijaw, and post the link to where Dakuku said this, what does Dakuku mean in Igbo since hes an Igbo man to you, id*ot ipob |
Re: Igbo Fraud Permanently Put To Rest. Bonny (ibani) Language Compared With Igbo by amInigerian: 10:19pm On Feb 20, 2018 |
Bringing this back up |
Re: Igbo Fraud Permanently Put To Rest. Bonny (ibani) Language Compared With Igbo by coolscott(m): 11:21pm On Feb 20, 2018 |
amInigerian: |
Re: Igbo Fraud Permanently Put To Rest. Bonny (ibani) Language Compared With Igbo by coolscott(m): 11:29pm On Feb 20, 2018 |
I will be happy if Okrikas come and put their language here. Or Andonis Or Ogbia people Or Nember people It will shame the fraudulent away. Nothing bad in shaming them as they have shown that it takes a little more than normal to get them ashamed of a shameful act. |
Re: Igbo Fraud Permanently Put To Rest. Bonny (ibani) Language Compared With Igbo by blazhykowskyi(m): 7:44am On Feb 21, 2018 |
olaitoro: You just have to drag Yoruba into your stupidity. You and who is doubting if Ekiti and Ijebu are Yoruba? At least every yoruba understands wa, lo, ounje, omi, etc. Yoruba dialects are intelligible only tonal variations. If you are from ogun or Lagos you would understand Okun or Ekiti or Ondo dialects if you could listen carefully. Only lazy folks say they don't understand. It's only tonal variations. I'm not from ogun but I could understand Ijebu, egba, ijesha, Ondo itshekiri without even learning or living in those places. So face the topic. |
Re: Igbo Fraud Permanently Put To Rest. Bonny (ibani) Language Compared With Igbo by UncleAyo: 3:45am On Mar 16 |
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