scholes0:

You shock abi

scholes0:

Lalasticlala, Seun, Mynd44 !

They won't answer you

9jacrip:


Truth is beginning to rear its head.

I want to see how the Benin NL warriors and many pundits who have written a great deal on Ekhaledahern intend to weave their ways out of this solid brick of truth.

Thank you for the mention bro Macof, I'll be following.

I can't believe this is not on front page yet

Ariani:
This is a big scandal. So this is the Bini monarchy that silly Anioma clans are mimicking and licking their buttocks.

Choi! Ikegwuru, I just weak, what a tragedy.

Abeg, this thread should not make the front page, the shame is too much, even me come dey shame for Bini.
Bini obviously was a land of many assimilated migrants.

Its a total shame, I fear that of itsekiri will soon be exposed too

cbrass:


I can't believe this is not on front page yet

LOL

Me too.

Lalasticlala how far now?

bright007:
All I see here are lies and propaganda written by a Yoruba e-warrior.The Benis have every right to believe their own history and the Yorubas their own lies and propaganda.

Why can't these Yoruba just let Benin rest? Land grabbers everywhere.

You don't even know how to spell it well it's Bini not Benin

9jacrip:


LOL

Me too.

Lalasticlala how far now?

Its either he is bini or his girlfriend is bini

Ubenedictus:
He tumbled when he tried to appoint his son as regent after him, the bini people reminded him he isnt an ogiso or decedant frm them and lacks d right to lead, d uzama had to conclude plans tO bring owodos son back to bini, when oramiyan came ogiamien resisted and kept him out of d town, dat is why oramiyan ran frm bini and calld it ile ibinu, eweka was in d care of d ogie of oghor and when he came of age it became a full blown civil war, eweka+uzama against ogiamien, d ogiamen was doomed to lose, he took a treaty dat allowed him keep utantan, hence d ceremony at coronation. they currently have a bad relationship wit d oba since d previou ogiamien disappear. the above story is because d palace doesn recognice arisco as ogiamien

So who gave birth to Eweka

cbrass:


So who gave birth to Eweka

EWEKa is d son of oranmiyan and a eghor lady, oramiyan is d grandson or son of oduduwa(depending on d version u read) who d binis believe is a son of ogiso owodo.


In sumary, ogiso owodo begat prince elekaderan aka izoduwa aka oduduwa, (who begat okanbi as only son according to a yoruba version) who begat oranmiyan (who became king in bini even though he didnt live in d town, 1st alafin of oyo and later ooni of ife), who begat eweka.

OlaoChi:
But why didn't this make front page?

because it exposes smallFrancis lies and cheap propaganda

cbrass:


You don't even know how to spell it well it's Bini not Benin

Don't mind her - she is an ipob yoot

FisifunKododada:


Don't mind her - she is an ipob yoot

i suspected

Ubenedictus:
EWEKa is d son of oranmiyan and a eghor lady, oramiyan is d grandson or son of oduduwa(depending on d version u read) who d binis believe is a son of ogiso owodo.


In sumary, ogiso owodo begat prince elekaderan aka izoduwa aka oduduwa, (who begat okanbi as only son according to a yoruba version) who begat oranmiyan (who became king in bini even though he didnt live in d town, 1st alafin of oyo and later ooni of ife), who begat eweka.

Ubenedictus:
EWEKa is d son of oranmiyan and a eghor lady, oramiyan is d grandson or son of oduduwa(depending on d version u read) who d binis believe is a son of ogiso owodo.


In sumary, ogiso owodo begat prince elekaderan aka izoduwa aka oduduwa, (who begat okanbi as only son according to a yoruba version) who begat oranmiyan (who became king in bini even though he didnt live in d town, 1st alafin of oyo and later ooni of ife), who begat eweka.

you are leaving out vital information sir

you didn't mention that ogiso Owodo was banished, he didn't die on the throne his family member Evian was appointed to rule Bini (although without the title Ogiso but simply Ogie), he held firmly to power that he wanted his son to take after him at his dying moment but the Edionisen (now Uzama chiefs) rejected his son and went to Ife to seek guidance. .. Oranmiyan was that guidance but the fact that despite the support of the Edionisen Oranmiyan couldn't rule Bini as Ogiso means that the Ogiso dynasty was already dead


if Oranmiyan was a descendant of Owodo he could have taken the title "Ogiso"


infact Oranmiyan was less than Ogiamien, because the later controlled Bini. Oranmiyan had to build Usama as his capital with the Edionisen who never treated him like a king, they struggled power with him and his descendants until Oba Ewedo(Great grandson of Oranmiyan), all this made him leave Bini in anger.
meanwhile the main city was still striving with the major population behind Ogiamien
this is similar to the case of Ewuare and Uwaifiokun, Ewuare was the rightful king but the Edionisen supported His Junior brother and made the junior king, if not that Ewuare was stubborn enough to fight till the end

so the hostile attitude against Ogiamien might not be because he wasn't the rightful king but just that the Edionisen didn't like him.

if ogiemien isn't the rightful king why does Oba need to rent land from him? this rent Oba Ewedo did despite defeating his army, in a battle to enter the main city, if Ogiamien was ever under the Oba the position should have been abolished by the Oba knowing that two kings cannot reign in one kingdom. Today Ogiamien is a king in his own right and grand landlord of Benin kingdom similar to Lagos where Aromire who is the landlord of the land oba of Lagos rules as king

OlaoChi:


you are leaving out vital information sir

you didn't mention that ogiso Owodo was banished, he didn't die on the throne his family member Evian was appointed to rule Bini (although without the title Ogiso but simply Ogie), he held firmly to power that he wanted his son to take after him at his dying moment but the Edionisen (now Uzama chiefs) rejected his son and went to Ife to seek guidance. .. Oranmiyan was that guidance but the fact that despite the support of the Edionisen Oranmiyan couldn't rule Bini as Ogiso means that the Ogiso dynasty was already dead


if Oranmiyan was a descendant of Owodo he could have taken the title "Ogiso"


infact Oranmiyan was less than Ogiamien, because the later controlled Bini. Oranmiyan had to build Usama as his capital with the Edionisen who never treated him like a king, they struggled power with him and his descendants until Oba Ewedo(Great grandson of Oranmiyan), all this made him leave Bini in anger.
meanwhile the main city was still striving with the major population behind Ogiamien
this is similar to the case of Ewuare and Uwaifiokun, Ewuare was the rightful king but the Edionisen supported His Junior brother and made the junior king, if not that Ewuare was stubborn enough to fight till the end

so the hostile attitude against Ogiamien might not be because he wasn't the rightful king but just that the Edionisen didn't like him.

if ogiemien isn't the rightful king why does Oba need to rent land from him? this rent Oba Ewedo did despite defeating his army, in a battle to enter the main city, if Ogiamien was ever under the Oba the position should have been abolished by the Oba knowing that two kings cannot reign in one kingdom. Today Ogiamien is a king in his own right and grand landlord of Benin kingdom similar to Lagos where Aromire who is the landlord of the land oba of Lagos rules as king

Mehnn....so where was all the lies we have been hearing these days come from

OlaoChi:


you are leaving out vital information sir

you didn't mention that ogiso Owodo was banished, he didn't die on the throne his family member Evian was appointed to rule Bini (although without the title Ogiso but simply Ogie), he held firmly to power that he wanted his son to take after him at his dying moment but the Edionisen (now Uzama chiefs) rejected his son and went to Ife to seek guidance. .. Oranmiyan was that guidance but the fact that despite the support of the Edionisen Oranmiyan couldn't rule Bini as Ogiso means that the Ogiso dynasty was already dead


if Oranmiyan was a descendant of Owodo he could have taken the title "Ogiso"

not necessarily. Oramiyyan was born in ife, his idea of rulership will be that of ife, he wwill have little appreciation for the ogiso system and even less appreciation for a mere title, especiallyy as the ogiamien locked him out of the city. His inability to adapt to his new realitties wwas what made him run away.

infact Oranmiyan was less than Ogiamien, because the later controlled Bini. Oranmiyan had to build Usama as his capital with the Edionisen who never treated him like a king, they struggled power with him and his descendants until Oba Ewedo(Great grandson of Oranmiyan), all this made him leave Bini in anger.
meanwhile the main city was still striving with the major population behind Ogiamien
this is similar to the case of Ewuare and Uwaifiokun, Ewuare was the rightful king but the Edionisen supported His Junior brother and made the junior king, if not that Ewuare was stubborn enough to fight till the end

pls who told you the major population wwas behind d ogiamien? The population was in the ccity because that is where they have always lived that is where they have heir homes, where they work etc. The ogiamen simply took posession of d aparatus of govenance as administrator, evian was also a local hero and with d military behind him he could keep oramiyan out for as long as he like. But the will of the people won at the end, the people rallied round eweka and joined in fighting d ogiamien hence he took a treaty and retired to a small village.

so the hostile attitude against Ogiamien might not be because he wasn't the rightful king but just that the Edionisen didn't like him.

if ogiemien isn't the rightful king why does Oba need to rent land from him? this rent Oba Ewedo did despite defeating his army, in a battle to enter the main city, if Ogiamien was ever under the Oba the position should have been abolished by the Oba knowing that two kings cannot reign in one kingdom. Today Ogiamien is a king in his own right and grand landlord of Benin kingdom similar to Lagos where Aromire who is the landlord of the land oba of Lagos rules as king

not true. Eweka defeated d ogiamien in battle but the war didnt end, it was going to become a long civil war with guerilla tactic anyybody could see it wasnt helping anyone, the only result will be huge lose of lives, it wwas the edionisen who decided the best way to checkmate a civil war was a form a treaty. ogiamien ofcuz claimed evian could confer kingship and so claim benin belongs to him, but the reality wwas tthat his supporters were few as people didnt recognise him as d true ruler he ccouldnt keep benin butt he had to save his pride hence d terms of the truce. Because he claims his father confers kingship on him then he must compulsorily ceed the land to each successive king for a palstry sum, he cant change the sum or renogotiate it, that way is pride remains and the war ends. in reality he was onlyy an adminirator neverd owner.

The reason he has a land to control is bcause evian was a ruler, he was an ogie even before he was an administrator just like d ogie of eghor, so after the treaty and war he returned back to hisas kem now called utantan.

Ubenedictus:
not necessarily. Oramiyyan was born in ife, his idea of rulership will be that of ife, he wwill have little appreciation for the ogiso system and even less appreciation for a mere title, especiallyy as the ogiamien locked him out of the city. His inability to adapt to his new realitties wwas what made him run away.


pls who told you the major population wwas behind d ogiamien? The population was in the ccity because that is where they have always lived that is where they have heir homes, where they work etc. The ogiamen simply took posession of d aparatus of govenance as administrator, evian was also a local hero and with d military behind him he could keep oramiyan out for as long as he like. But the will of the people won at the end, the people rallied round eweka and joined in fighting d ogiamien hence he took a treaty and retired to a small village.

not true. Eweka Ewedo defeated d ogiamien in battle but the war didnt end, it was going to become a long civil war with guerilla tactic anyybody could see it wasnt helping anyone, the only result will be huge lose of lives, it wwas the edionisen who decided the best way to checkmate a civil war was a form a treaty. ogiamien ofcuz claimed evian could confer kingship and so claim benin belongs to him, but the reality wwas tthat his supporters were few as people didnt recognise him as d true ruler he ccouldnt keep benin butt he had to save his pride hence d terms of the truce. Because he claims his father confers kingship on him then he must compulsorily ceed the land to each successive king for a palstry sum, he cant change the sum or renogotiate it, that way is pride remains and the war ends. in reality he was onlyy an adminirator neverd owner.

The reason he has a land to control is bcause evian was a ruler, he was an ogie even before he was an administrator just like d ogie of eghor, so after the treaty and war he returned back to hisas kem now called utantan.

thank you for your comment.

Pls take notice of the emboldened, it shows that Oranmiyan had no regard for the ogiso, but was all high heavens for Obaship
with this one Cannot return to link ogiso dynasty with oba dynasty.

I still wonder why Edo like to link two unrelated dynasties... oh I get it, it's all in a bid to play supremacy games

OlaoChi:



thank you for your comment.

Pls take notice of the emboldened, it shows that Oranmiyan had no regard for the ogiso, but was all high heavens for Obaship
with this one Cannot return to link ogiso dynasty with oba dynasty.

I still wonder why Edo like to link two unrelated dynasties... oh I get it, it's all in a bid to play supremacy games

Becos the bini believe blood is a powerful.
Oramiyan may not have appreciated d complex bini government, culture, or social stuff and title, infact the last ogiso was unpopular, but all that not withstanding he is a desendant of the ogiso and so links both dynasties.

Blood is a powerful link for d binis.

Ubenedictus:
Becos the bini believe blood is a powerful.
Oramiyan may not have appreciated d complex bini government, culture, or social stuff and title, infact the last ogiso was unpopular, but all that not withstanding he is a desendant of the ogiso and so links both dynasties.

Blood is a powerful link for d binis.

but there's no record or evidence that Oranmiyan is descended from any ogiso

OlaoChi:

but there's no record or evidence that Oranmiyan is descended from any ogiso

just as there is no record of oduduwwa jumping down from the sky, no is there record of shongo, osun, etc, all anybody has are oral traditions passed on from generation to generation. the bini tradition says oranmiya descended from oduduwa d son of owwodo, the yoruba tradition says oduduwwa fell from the ssky. I know the one which is more probable and the one that sounds false.

Ubenedictus:
just as there is no record of oduduwwa jumping down from the sky, no is there record of shongo, osun, etc, all anybody has are oral traditions passed on from generation to generation. the bini tradition says oranmiya descended from oduduwa d son of owwodo, the yoruba tradition says oduduwwa fell from the ssky. I know the one which is more probable and the one that sounds false.

but it's been cleared out already that Yoruba tales have mythical and historical sides to one character so oduduwa coming from the sky is mythical for religious purposes just like bini say euare wrestled olokun underwater for 7days or so or ogiso came from the sky or how oba owns all the lands in the world and sold the land of the white men to the white men. myths are known to be crazy.

but historically oduduwa came from the northeast, that is not in the direction of Bini

there's record of Sango in his house at Koso, His clothes, drums, ose Sango and all that. if oral traditions are challenged then you need evidence to back the oral traditions. besides what you are saying isn't oral tradition but a recent tale, can't be older than 1963, if it's up to that, cus everyone believes oba Erediuwa invented the Ekaladerhan - oduduwa connection

Ubenedictus:
Becos the bini believe blood is a powerful.
Oramiyan may not have appreciated d complex bini government, culture, or social stuff and title, infact the last ogiso was unpopular, but all that not withstanding he is a desendant of the ogiso and so links both dynasties.

Blood is a powerful link for d binis.

will you keep quiet! oranmiyan descendant of Owodo? you can lie


oranmiyan was the last son of Oduduwa.
and oduduwa before becoming Ooni was a local yoruba man living with his clan on the hill called Oke-Ora at the outskirts of Ile-Ife towards Ijesa.

your ignorance in Yoruba history coupled with the fact that many yoruba due to not being brought up the traditional way don't know core historical details, makes you cook up all sorts of fantasies and call them yoruba history.

you should be making research on where your prince elekaderan died

macof:



will you keep quiet! oranmiyan descendant of Owodo? you can lie


oranmiyan was the last son of Oduduwa.
and oduduwa before becoming Ooni was a local yoruba man living with his clan on the hill called Oke-Ora at the outskirts of Ile-Ife towards Ijesa.

your ignorance in Yoruba history coupled with the fact that many yoruba due to not being brought up the traditional way don't know core historical details, makes you cook up all sorts of fantasies and call them yoruba history.

you should be making research on where your prince elekaderan died

Lol, oduduwa is nolonger from mecca or sudan or egypt, or kenya or from d sky, now he is from oke ora according to macof personal oral history. next u will tell us he was ur village person. keep shifting his origin

Ubenedictus:
Lol, oduduwa is nolonger from mecca or sudan or egypt, or kenya or from d sky, now he is from oke ora according to macof personal oral history. next u will tell us he was ur village person. keep shifting his origin

not my personal history please. That's Ife history

but at the end, he is not Ekaladerhan. ..you bini folks will claim anything including being owners of Europe

Brilliant thought.

In addition to that, Macof, apart from assessing both kingdoms from the political; let us look into the dimension of military & trade.

Every other Yoruba town generally agreed never to attack Ife no matter how mighty they might become - this also goes with trade, Ife's trade route or encroachment was always given a 'pass'.

The town that tried to break the two oaths above was totally crushed and left scattered all over Yoruba land - Owu.

If Benin crown was not an off shoot of Ife, they would have long attacked Ife land and trade from the East. Benin was powerful in the East, it engaged Owo, Akure and some Ekiti towns a few times within the context of military and trade; Benin totally left Ife route and lands untouched even though it had the military to.

In fact, when Benin king had contact with the Portuguese, Ife was the first place he sent the message of the news and gifts to before other Yoruba kings.

Lol!!! Funny dude. Forget Arisco the self acclaimed decedant of Ogiso. Their fore-father Evian was a regent who wanted to claim the throne and as far as the Bini's are concerned they are insignificant.

As for Ile-Ife, the Bini's hold that land sacred because the founder was their son. They never attacked but protected that land, although NL Yoruba revisionist wont understand.

IMAGINATION CAN HELP. A CHINESE MAN IS MADE KING BY THE ORACLE IN A SMALL TOWN OF 100,000. HE THEN WENT BACK AND BROUGHT 50,000 CHINESE TO HELP HIM RULE, FROM THERE THEY EXTENDED THE SMALL TOWN INTO A CHINESE EMPIRE COVERING 1000 TIMES THE AREA OF THE SMALL VILLAGE. THEY USE CHINESE AS LINGUA FRANCA AND RELATE WITH CHINA. THEY SET UP NEW TOWNS WITH CHINESE NAMES AND BECAME AN EMPIRE OF 10 MILLION WITH CHINESE AS LINGUA FRANCA UNTIL THE EMPIRE COLLAPSED AFTER A FEW CENTURIES AND THE CAPITAL WAS OVERWHELMED BY DESCENDANTS OF THE ORIGINAL LANDOWNERS WHO LIVE IN THE SUBURBS. THEY THEN STARTED TO WRITE OUT THE CHINESE FROM THEIR HISTORY!.

Born2Breed:



Lol!!! Funny dude. Forget Arisco the self acclaimed decedant of Ogiso. Their fore-father Evian was a regent who wanted to claim the throne and as far as the Bini's are concerned they are insignificant.

As for Ile-Ife, the Bini's hold that land sacred because the founder was their son. They never attacked but protected that land, although NL Yoruba revisionist wont understand.

This is very true!!

Oduduwaa:


This is very true!!

.THERE IS NOTHING TRUE ABOUT THE FALSIFIED LIES BEING PEDDLED ALL AROUND BY THESE PEOPLE CALLING ODUA, A FAKE NAME CALLED EKERLADARAN, THERE IS AN INSCRIPTION ON OBELISK OF ORANMIYAN. RANGING FROM SCULPTURE,IRON SMELTING, BID MAKING, CLOTH WEAVING ARE ALL LEARNT FROM ILE IFE. THIS TESTIFY TO TRUTH ABOUT YORUBA BEING LEAD BY ODUA OUTSIDE YORUBA LAND. I REPEAT, ODUA HAD A CROWN CALLED “AARE" CROWN. IS IT POSSIBLE FOR SOMEONE NOT TO REMEMBER WHERE HE CAME FROM? THE PROGENITOR OF YORUBA'S NAME WAS ADUA, ADIMULA,, THE WORD OLU, JE' O BA (OBA) ISN'T IGODOMOGODO? OOFIN/AAFIN ISN'T BINI NAME, OGISO IS A FIVE LETTERS WORD SO EASY TO PRONOUNCE OR REMEMBER. HOW WAS IT THAT ODUA DIDN'T REMEMBER OR TO WANT TO VISIT HIS PLACE OF ORIGIN? IN THE WORLD RESEARCHING OF ETHNICITY, IT IS PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE ESPECIALLY AFTER SUCH HAD AQUIRED SO MANY PROPERTIES AND SUBJECTS e. g in the Bible as a case study, ESAU VISITING JACOB(IS' RA' EL) IN THE WORLD HISTORY OF ETHNICITY, THEY DON'T EVEN TALK ABOUT BINI, EXCEPT AS IT REGARDS BINI LANGUAGE FROM GOING INTO EXTINCTION . THE WORLD RESEARCHERS IN THE PAST OR PRESENT DON'T EVEN RECOGNIZE THEM APART FROM THE THE BRITISH LOOTING THEIR ARTIFACTS IN THE DEAD OF 1890S . THIS IS MY PROBLEM WITH MANY YORUBAS BECAUSE OF NONCHALANT ATTITUDE ABOUT OUR APPROACH TO OUR HISTORY. YET YORUBA IS THE MOST RESEARCHED ETHNICITY IN THE WORLD BEING DONE BY FOREIGNERS IN OUR BEHALF . THERE ARE FIVE ALIKE OF ORANMIYAN OBELISKS IN THE WORLD. DOES THIS HAVE A MEANING? IT HAS A MEANING BECAUSE THERE IS A HIEROGLYPH ON IT. DO BINI HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN IGODOMOGODO? NO, THEY DON'T. YET THEY WANT TO EQUATE YORUBA WITH BINI ON SAME LEVEL. STILL THE AMERICANS /EUROPEAN RESEARCHERS HAVE DONE SO MANY TREMENDOUS WORK ON YORUBA VIS A VIZ, LOST TRIBES OF ISRAEL AND STILL CONTINUE TO SO DO. I HAVE NEVER SEEN “BINI"BEING MENTIONED IN ANY OF THESE RESEARCHES.

Olu317:
.THERE IS NOTHING TRUE ABOUT THE FALSIFIED LIES BEING PEDDLED ALL AROUND BY THESE PEOPLE CALLING ODUA, A FAKE NAME CALLED EKERLADARAN, THERE IS AN INSCRIPTION ON OBELISK OF ORANMIYAN. RANGING FROM SCULPTURE,IRON SMELTING, BID MAKING, CLOTH WEAVING ARE ALL LEARNT FROM ILE IFE. THIS TESTIFY TO TRUTH ABOUT YORUBA BEING LEAD BY ODUA OUTSIDE YORUBA LAND. I REPEAT, ODUA HAD A CROWN CALLED “AARE" CROWN. IS IT POSSIBLE FOR SOMEONE NOT TO REMEMBER WHERE HE CAME FROM? THE PROGENITOR OF YORUBA'S NAME WAS ADUA, ADIMULA,, THE WORD OLU, JE' O BA (OBA) ISN'T IGODOMOGODO? OOFIN/AAFIN ISN'T BINI NAME, OGISO IS A FIVE LETTERS WORD SO EASY TO PRONOUNCE OR REMEMBER. HOW WAS IT THAT ODUA DIDN'T REMEMBER OR TO WANT TO VISIT HIS PLACE OF ORIGIN? IN THE WORLD RESEARCHING OF ETHNICITY, IT IS PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE ESPECIALLY AFTER SUCH HAD AQUIRED SO MANY PROPERTIES AND SUBJECTS e. g in the Bible as a case study, ESAU VISITING JACOB(IS' RA' EL) IN THE WORLD HISTORY OF ETHNICITY, THEY DON'T EVEN TALK ABOUT BINI, EXCEPT AS IT REGARDS BINI LANGUAGE FROM GOING INTO EXTINCTION . THE WORLD RESEARCHERS IN THE PAST OR PRESENT DON'T EVEN RECOGNIZE THEM APART FROM THE THE BRITISH LOOTING THEIR ARTIFACTS IN THE DEAD OF 1890S . THIS IS MY PROBLEM WITH MANY YORUBAS BECAUSE OF NONCHALANT ATTITUDE ABOUT OUR APPROACH TO OUR HISTORY. YET YORUBA IS THE MOST RESEARCHED ETHNICITY IN THE WORLD BEING DONE BY FOREIGNERS IN OUR BEHALF . THERE ARE FIVE ALIKE OF ORANMIYAN OBELISKS IN THE WORLD. DOES THIS HAVE A MEANING? IT HAS A MEANING BECAUSE THERE IS A HIEROGLYPH ON IT. DO BINI HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN IGODOMOGODO? NO, THEY DON'T. YET THEY WANT TO EQUATE YORUBA WITH BINI ON SAME LEVEL. STILL THE AMERICANS /EUROPEAN RESEARCHERS HAVE DONE SO MANY TREMENDOUS WORK ON YORUBA VIS A VIZ, LOST TRIBES OF ISRAEL AND STILL CONTINUE TO SO DO. I HAVE NEVER SEEN “BINI"BEING MENTIONED IN ANY OF THESE RESEARCHES.

Point of correction you are clearly emotional about this....theres no need to feel inferiority complex...... Benin Empire history is very reaserched by europeans and whites.....Because i am yoruba would never make me lie.....I am proud of the Edos and every other tribes that stand out in this country....

Oduduwaa:

Point of correction you are clearly emotional about this....theres no need to feel inferiority complex...... Benin Empire history is very reaserched by europeans and whites.....Because i am yoruba would never make me lie.....I am proud of the Edos and every other tribes that stand out in this country....

Now you are wrong again and you sound autocratic! AM I EMOTIONAL? If am wrong, MENTION AUTHORS WHO HAD STUDIED BINI LANGUAGE IN COMPARISON WITH EITHER EGYPT OR ISRAEL/MIDDLE EAST HISTORY. IF YOU KNOW an id @MACOF ON THIS FORUM, THEN YOU CAN SEARCH OUT MY WRITE UP AGAINST HIS AS IT REGARD YORUBA CONNECTIONS TO ISRAEL. BUT AT A POINT, PERHAPS FROM HIS PERSPECTIVE OF MUSLIMS BACKGROUND OR SOMETHING ELSE WHEN HE TRIED TO COUNTER MY VIEWS AND HE USED A NEGATIVE WORD ON ME BEFORE I COULD REFER WESTERN AUTHORS TO HIM EVEN GREAT YORUBA PHILOLOGIST MAN LIKE MODUPE ODUYOYE' BOOK ; SONS GODS AND DAUGHTERS OF MEN , I DIDN'T REPLY THAT MESSAGE AFTER HE USED THAT FOUL LANGUAGE ON ME and told me not to quote him again BECAUSE HE IS A YORUBA. I LOVE EVERYBODY BUT MY ETHNICITY FIRST AND OTHERS FOLLOW. In that book, you will see certain words in similarities with Israel Biblical perspective's GOD concept from Genesis 1 creation. However, my opinion stand out as Bible isn't the final stop on archaeological related findings BUT EVIDENCE OF THOSE THINGS VIS A VIS RUBBLES, STRUCTURE, INSCRIPTION, TOMBS etc.........and it seems you didn't read my messages very well. I mentioned my reason for dishing out insult. THIS IS MY OWN FIRST RULE, THOU SHALL NOT INSULT ME. How can someone insult another person he or she hasn't met?. ONCE SOMEONE DO SUCH , I REPLY.. PERIOD

Oduduwaa:


Point of correction you are clearly emotional about this....theres no need to feel inferiority complex...... Benin Empire history is very reaserched by europeans and whites.....Because i am yoruba would never make me lie.....I am proud of the Edos and every other tribes that stand out in this country....

You are right, Edo history is well recorded by the Europeans... and what did the Europeans you call say about Bini history? As Bini told the Europeans, they owed a lot to Ife, the Bini arts were said to be influenced by Ife. The current wife of the Ooni is a descendant of Iguegha - an Artist sent from Ife to Bini to help build the Art Industry that made Bini popular to the Europeans. The Europeans recorded what Bini told them, nowhere was this Ekalederhan mentioned or was the Oba linked to the Ogisos, in fact in all European records of Bini history there is no mention of Ogisos

jobgbemi:
Its been proven again. The best historical secrets are revealed when the Royal fathers bicker or jostle publicly (often on newspaper pages, and in the legal courts) for power, or for the throne . The current race to wear the Bini crown sees a Bini version of history agreeing with Yoruba history . This version has Oranmiyan visiting Benin and establishing a new ruling house, as the Yoruba have always maintained. By the way, Oranmiyan, was a grandson ofOduduwa, the great Yoruba warrior king deity. His father was Okanbi, Oduduwa’s only son Oranmiyan was one of 16 grandchildren, which are named in this partial family tree . The Yoruba hold that Oranmiyan bore a son with a Bini woman, and this son was the first Oba of Benin. More recently there’s been a new and controversial claim from some Bini quarters that it was the other way round and Oduduwa was a runaway Bini slave who founded Ile Ife, and who later sent his son/grandson to rule in Benin!
“The Ekiokpagha treaty is the compulsory rent a new Oba-elect must pay before he is pronounced an Oba of Benin kingdom and before he is also allowed occupation of the Benin kingdom leased to Oba Eweka 1 by Ogiamien Erebo in 12.00AD.” “The Ekiokpagha treaty clearly defined the status of Ogiamien as aborigine and permanent landlord while the Oba of Benin kingdom as a permanent tenant,”
High Chief Monday Wehere, director of information and external affairs of the Ogiamien family said on Tuesday.
“The Ogiamien is the custodian of the 32 previous Ogisos that had ruled Igodomigodo and the aborigine Binis for over 300 years before the forceful introduction of obaship against the decision of the aborigine Binis while the Oba of Benin (the family) are descendants of the sixth Ooni of Ife, Oba Oranmiyan, the son of Okanbi. “Therefore, it would be difficult for Ogiamien to pledge allegiance to an invader – Oba of Benin – who is also a tenant,” “Oba Eweka dynasty has no relationship whatsoever with the Ogiso/Ogiamien dynasty and they are now forcing themselves into our dynasty by fraudulently claiming that Prince Eheneden Erediauwa is now the 70th ruler of Benin kingdom.”
“This is completely false. THEY ARE DESCECEDANTS OF ORANMIYAN ,” In bolded above is what the Yoruba tradition has always stated.The practice of sending the heads of demised Oba of Bini to Ile Ife was apparently stopped in a bid to hide the history it has been claimed . History can never be re-written.
https://www.naij.com/832915-controversy-crown-prince-eheneden-erediuwa-tenant-benin-kingdom.html

You can also read VANGUARD NEWS, of Tuesday, May 17th for complete story.

Little wonder Baale Akiolu has bn running his mouth...trying to ceed Lagos to the Benins...both are denying their root as Yorubas whereas, the Ogisos are the real owners of Benin