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Dis-integration Noose Thightens On The EU, As France Goes Brexit Way by Appleyard(m): 7:43pm On May 25, 2016
The spirit behind the EU's common goal integration is, right now as it seem, resting on a wavering gambit of consensus democracy, emanating from increasingly frustrated citizens within the various independent front-liners of the ''innocent'' confederation.

Now French voters call for FREXIT after Germany face demands for EU referendum.

MORE than half of French voters want their own in-out referendum on European Union (EU) membership, renewing fears in Brussels that a Brexit could topple the 28-country bloc.

53 per cent of the French voted in favour of holding a referendum on the country’s membership
With Britons set to go to the polls in June, there are increasing signs the UK’s referendum is paving the way for other European countries to question their own relationship with Brussels.
It comes after calls for Germany to have their own EU referendum in the aftermath of the migrant crisis.

In a fresh blow to the EU, 53 per cent of the French voted in favour of holding a UK-style referendum on the country’s membership. Such a response from one of the EU’s founder members will undoubtedly ruffle feathers in Brussels.

Front National (FN) leader Marine Le Pen welcomed the poll results in a recent blog post, saying French demands for a referendum were “extremely encouraging”.
A quarter (25 per cent) of French people also want to see an end of free movement throughout Europe after the EU’s Schengen zone was heavily criticised in the aftermath of the Paris attacks.

Alongside Germany, France is considered the central pillar of the European project.
But a struggling economy and a faltering government has fuelled a rising Eurosceptic sentiment in France, as well as an escalating migrant crisis and a surge in popularity for the far-right FN.
And with France’s neighbours across the Channel winning negotiations with Brussels, many French voters are asking why their government cannot do the same.

In a University of Edinburgh survey of 8,000 voters in Germany, France, Poland, Ireland, Spain and Sweden, France was the only country where a majority said they would back holding a UK-style EU referendum.
But France is not the first European country where voters are demanding their own chance to leave the EU, with both the Netherlands and the Czech Republic saying they want to follow Britain in holding an in-out referendum.

In a Dutch poll, 53 per cent supported an in-out vote, while the Czech prime minister Bohuslav Sobotka warned a "Czexit" could follow if Britons choose to leave the EU in June.
Anand Menon, a professor of European politics at King’s College, said: “The British referendum is a laboratory for other referendums in Europe.
“Such trivialisation could produce devastating effects.”
While a central member of the EU, France, like Britain, has always been traditionally hostile to further European integration.

In 2005 French voters overwhelmingly rejected the proposed European Constitution, sending political reverberations throughout the EU.
A third (33 per cent) of French people surveyed would back a so-called Frexit, while 45 per cent would vote to remain and 22 per cent are undecided, according to the University of Edinburgh poll.


http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/654175/French-voters-demand-Frexit-EU-referendum-Germany-UK-Brexit

Lalasticlala, do the needful.

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Re: Dis-integration Noose Thightens On The EU, As France Goes Brexit Way by NairaMinted: 5:11pm On May 26, 2016
Apparently, it is only former Soviet bloc states such as the Baltic States, Poland and Ukraine that long to belong to the E.U.. The populace of western Europe it seems have had enough.

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Re: Dis-integration Noose Thightens On The EU, As France Goes Brexit Way by Appleyard(m): 7:03pm On May 27, 2016
NairaMinted:
Apparently, it is only former Soviet bloc states such as the Baltic States, Poland and Ukraine that long to belong to the E.U.. The populace of western Europe it seems have had enough.
Of course, its only them. And as it is, things are getting to the brim.

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Re: Dis-integration Noose Thightens On The EU, As France Goes Brexit Way by seagulsntrawler: 1:12pm On May 28, 2016
The wheels are gradually coming off and the empire of chaos is running around like a headless chicken and issuing threats to Brexiter in the UK. At first it was O-bomber, then followed by the deranged hag and laggard named Christine, of the moribund IMF, some weeks later.
The logic is that the countries in the EU are easier to manipulate, collectively as a group in Washington's suicidal war of aggression against the rest of the world.

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Re: Dis-integration Noose Thightens On The EU, As France Goes Brexit Way by Appleyard(m): 5:48pm On May 28, 2016
seagulsntrawler:
The wheels are gradually coming off and the empire of chaos is running around like a headless chicken and issuing threats to Brexiter in the UK. At first it was O-bomber, then followed by the deranged hag and laggard named Christine, of the moribund IMF, some weeks later.
The logic is that the countries in the EU are easier to manipulate, collectively as a group in Washington's suicidal war of aggression against the rest of the world.

I can't agree less. The idea behind the EU is nothing short of economic wealth, political integration and creating an enabling environment for mutual cooperation. However, Europeans are people that loves and cherish their freedom and choice so much, that they're not willing to trade places for it, and the crux of this ungoing ''exit'' problem lies in the seemingly attempt to deny them of that very choice; and one of such problem is the immigrational arrangement under the Schengen free movement zone. By this arrangement, a lot of Eastern Europeans have been able to take up jobs in the West side, straining the healthcare, insurance and social security schemes of the host nations, to the detriment of its own citizens.
The recent and still ungoing migrant crisis further exercabated the whole process, as it brought into perpective the security challanges of 'open borders.' This aspect of security is perhaps the greatest challenge, as a lot of people are of the opinion that the European Union settings eroded or is interfering with sovereignty in certain vital areas that requires state independent decision making and foreign policy formulation alone. For instance, nations like Germany, France, Poland, Ireland, etc, which have much to lose in terms of market and product sales, in the wake of sanctions and counter sanctions with Russia, have no choice but to comply; since only a consensus can make the sanctions work. In other words, such nations make the choice against their own interest, but to the ultimate interest of the US and Britain. This is another reason why many in France and in the UK (and even in Germany) are now calling for an exit; for they come to realize that their goverments have lost or is fast loosing sovereignty, rather, acting as willing puppets to further the course of the others who have barely or nothing to lose.

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Re: Dis-integration Noose Thightens On The EU, As France Goes Brexit Way by seagulsntrawler: 7:22pm On May 28, 2016
Appleyard:


I can't agree less. The idea behind the EU is nothing short of economic wealth, political integration and creating an enabling environment for mutual cooperation. However, Europeans are people that loves and cherish their freedom and choice so much, that they're not willing to trade places for it, and the crux of this ungoing ''exit'' problem lies in the seemingly attempt to deny them of that very choice; and one of such problem is the immigrational arrangement under the Schengen free movement zone. By this arrangement, a lot of Eastern Europeans have been able to take up jobs in the West side, straining the healthcare, insurance and social security schemes of the host nations, to the detriment of its own citizens.
The recent and still ungoing migrant crisis further exercabated the whole process, as it brought into perpective the security challanges of 'open borders.' This aspect of security is perhaps the greatest challenge, as a lot of people are of the opinion that the European Union settings eroded or is interfering with sovereignty in certain vital areas that requires state independent decision making and foreign policy formulation alone. For instance, nations like Germany, France, Poland, Ireland, etc, which have much to lose in terms of market and product sales, in the wake of sanctions and counter sanctions with Russia, have no choice but to comply; since only a consensus can make the sanctions work. In other words, such nations make the choice against their own interest, but to the ultimate interest of the US and Britain. This is another reason why many in France and in the UK (and even in Germany) are now calling for an exit; for they come to realize that their goverments have lost or is fast loosing sovereignty, rather, acting as willing puppets to further the course of the others who have barely or nothing to lose.


Excellent analysis! Can't have put it better than that.

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Re: Dis-integration Noose Thightens On The EU, As France Goes Brexit Way by seagulsntrawler: 7:28pm On May 28, 2016
Appleyard:


I can't agree less. The idea behind the EU is nothing short of economic wealth, political integration and creating an enabling environment for mutual cooperation. However, Europeans are people that loves and cherish their freedom and choice so much, that they're not willing to trade places for it, and the crux of this ungoing ''exit'' problem lies in the seemingly attempt to deny them of that very choice; and one of such problem is the immigrational arrangement under the Schengen free movement zone. By this arrangement, a lot of Eastern Europeans have been able to take up jobs in the West side, straining the healthcare, insurance and social security schemes of the host nations, to the detriment of its own citizens.
The recent and still ungoing migrant crisis further exercabated the whole process, as it brought into perpective the security challanges of 'open borders.' This aspect of security is perhaps the greatest challenge, as a lot of people are of the opinion that the European Union settings eroded or is interfering with sovereignty in certain vital areas that requires state independent decision making and foreign policy formulation alone. For instance, nations like Germany, France, Poland, Ireland, etc, which have much to lose in terms of market and product sales, in the wake of sanctions and counter sanctions with Russia, have no choice but to comply; since only a consensus can make the sanctions work. In other words, such nations make the choice against their own interest, but to the ultimate interest of the US and Britain. This is another reason why many in France and in the UK (and even in Germany) are now calling for an exit; for they come to realize that their goverments have lost or is fast loosing sovereignty, rather, acting as willing puppets to further the course of the others who have barely or nothing to lose.


Excellent analysis! Can't have put it better than that. Perhaps, Grexit should be on board soon going by what the Greece people suffered in the hands of the zionist, neocon scumbags.

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Re: Dis-integration Noose Thightens On The EU, As France Goes Brexit Way by Appleyard(m): 7:40pm On May 28, 2016
seagulsntrawler:


Excellent analysis! Can't have put it better than that. Perhaps, Grexit should be on board soon going by what the Greece people suffered in the hands of the zionist, neocon scumbags.
Yeah. You never can say never. Besides, Greece is almost certain to default on its debts. A Grexit is a possibility.

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Re: Dis-integration Noose Thightens On The EU, As France Goes Brexit Way by ATERI(m): 1:59am On May 29, 2016
Appleyard:


I can't agree less. The idea behind the EU is nothing short of economic wealth, political integration and creating an enabling environment for mutual cooperation. However, Europeans are people that loves and cherish their freedom and choice so much, that they're not willing to trade places for it, and the crux of this ungoing ''exit'' problem lies in the seemingly attempt to deny them of that very choice; and one of such problem is the immigrational arrangement under the Schengen free movement zone. By this arrangement, a lot of Eastern Europeans have been able to take up jobs in the West side, straining the healthcare, insurance and social security schemes of the host nations, to the detriment of its own citizens.
The recent and still ungoing migrant crisis further exercabated the whole process, as it brought into perpective the security challanges of 'open borders.' This aspect of security is perhaps the greatest challenge, as a lot of people are of the opinion that the European Union settings eroded or is interfering with sovereignty in certain vital areas that requires state independent decision making and foreign policy formulation alone. For instance, nations like Germany, France, Poland, Ireland, etc, which have much to lose in terms of market and product sales, in the wake of sanctions and counter sanctions with Russia, have no choice but to comply; since only a consensus can make the sanctions work. In other words, such nations make the choice against their own interest, but to the ultimate interest of the US and Britain. This is another reason why many in France and in the UK (and even in Germany) are now calling for an exit; for they come to realize that their goverments have lost or is fast loosing sovereignty, rather, acting as willing puppets to further the course of the others who have barely or nothing to lose.


Perception is often different from reality.

The Franco-German alliance has always determined the direction of travel of the European Union, and as long as these two countries are in favour of the European project, there is no need to panic. We are talking of Brexit and Grexit today because of the domestic politics of the United Kingdom and the disloyalty of British politicians to the European project. There wouldn`t have been a USA, had America conducted a referendum in the South before independence
Germany, France, Italy, The Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg were the founding fathers of what we call the European Union today. It was when Britain became a basket case in the 70s that she applied for membership. Britain Joined the EU that was determined to stop wars on the continent of Europe by all means. And that is one of the achievements of the EU that, for the first time since the days of the Roman Empire, Europe has gone on for 70 years without a world war..
The relevant question is this: why is it that the issues that have brought about the emergence of Donald Trump in America are almost the same issues arresting minds in the EU- immigration, income inequality, widening gap between rich and poor, countries dominated by the 1%, politicians that are out of touch etc?. I have a theory.
The emergence of China as an economic power and the manner of that emergence have convinced the West of the need to do things differently. One of the things they are determined to do is to impose suffocating austerity on their citizens in order to balance their budgets. But suddenly, disaster struck in 2008, as global economy nearly collapsed. Now these two developments have hit the poor severely, but not the people that caused the problem. And apart from the criminal bombing of Libya and Syria, that have forced many to flee, there is the economic model that the West has been imposing on the world, economic model that robs the poor of their dignity while the rich and the powerful swim in luxury. So it`s the chicken of an unfair world order that have come home to roost- has llittle or nothing to do with the European Union.
How many countries are worse off today than when they joined the EU? The criteria set for membership have allowed countries like Portugal and Ireland to carry out meaningful reforms that transformed their countries greatly.
People say those from Poland have taken over their jobs. In London, Tony Blair came to power in 1997 after his Labour Party had been out of power for almost two decades; Blair vowed to keep the opposition (The Conservative Party) out of power for ever. One way of doing that was to allow East Europeans to come in large number, why should we blame the EU for that? Romanians do the work Brits would not do, Moroccans rent the rooms the Dutch won`t sleep in. And in Belgium, business is only good at the corner shop, because of the Croats . The countries that have more, share with those that have little or nothing. You can`t just trade, you must allow free movement of traders/people. If paternity leave is good in Sweden, it must be good in Slovakia.That is what the European Union is all about, but this poses a big challenge to those that are looking for agency workers with no rights or ones on zero-hour contracts. A social Europe is only a problem for those that do not believe in society.

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Re: Dis-integration Noose Thightens On The EU, As France Goes Brexit Way by Appleyard(m): 12:01am On May 30, 2016
ATERI:


Perception is often different from reality.

The Franco-German alliance has always determined the direction of travel of the European Union, and as long as these two countries are in favour of the European project, there is no need to panic. We are talking of Brexit and Grexit today because of the domestic politics of the United Kingdom and the disloyalty of British politicians to the European project. There wouldn`t have been a USA, had America conducted a referendum in the South before independence
Germany, France, Italy, The Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg were the founding fathers of what we call the European Union today. It was when Britain became a basket case in the 70s that she applied for membership. Britain Joined the EU that was determined to stop wars on the continent of Europe by all means. And that is one of the achievements of the EU that, for the first time since the days of the Roman Empire, Europe has gone on for 70 years without a world war..
The relevant question is this: why is it that the issues that have brought about the emergence of Donald Trump in America are almost the same issues arresting minds in the EU- immigration, income inequality, widening gap between rich and poor, countries dominated by the 1%, politicians that are out of touch etc?. I have a theory.
The emergence of China as an economic power and the manner of that emergence have convinced the West of the need to do things differently. One of the things they are determined to do is to impose suffocating austerity on their citizens in order to balance their budgets. But suddenly, disaster struck in 2008, as global economy nearly collapsed. Now these two developments have hit the poor severely, but not the people that caused the problem. And apart from the criminal bombing of Libya and Syria, that have forced many to flee, there is the economic model that the West has been imposing on the world, economic model that robs the poor of their dignity while the rich and the powerful swim in luxury. So it`s the chicken of an unfair world order that have come home to roost- has llittle or nothing to do with the European Union.
How many countries are worse off today than when they joined the EU? The criteria set for membership have allowed countries like Portugal and Ireland to carry out meaningful reforms that transformed their countries greatly.
People say those from Poland have taken over their jobs. In London, Tony Blair came to power in 1997 after his Labour Party had been out of power for almost two decades; Blair vowed to keep the opposition (The Conservative Party) out of power for ever. One way of doing that was to allow East Europeans to come in large number, why should we blame the EU for that? Romanians do the work Brits would not do, Moroccans rent the rooms the Dutch won`t sleep in. And in Belgium, business is only good at the corner shop, because of the Croats . The countries that have more, share with those that have little or nothing. You can`t just trade, you must allow free movement of traders/people. If paternity leave is good in Sweden, it must be good in Slovakia.That is what the European Union is all about, but this poses a big challenge to those that are looking for agency workers with no rights or ones on zero-hour contracts. A social Europe is only a problem for those that do not believe in society.


Outstanding analysis. And thats looking at it from another angle. However, there are reasons, just like the ones i said earlier, that are causing people to be increasingly uneasy with the current EU setting. Below is a link to a factual and critical review debunking the various myths and theories making the rounds on how Britain would suffer should Brexit succeeds. It gives more insight concerning some of the reasons why the cry of 'exit' is increasingly finding voices among many people.

Just take the time to go through it.

http://www.betteroffout.net/the-case/10-eu-myths-about-withdrawl/
Re: Dis-integration Noose Thightens On The EU, As France Goes Brexit Way by ATERI(m): 9:01am On May 30, 2016
Appleyard:
Outstanding analysis. And thats looking at it from another angle. However, there are reasons, just like the ones i said earlier, that are causing people to be increasingly uneasy with the current EU setting. Below is a link to a factual and critical review debunking the various myths and theories making the rounds on how Britain would suffer should Brexit succeeds. It gives more insight concerning some of the reasons why the cry of 'exit' is increasingly finding voices among many people.

Just take the time to go through it.

http://www.betteroffout.net/the-case/10-eu-myths-about-withdrawl/

My brother, I don`t analyse issues based on what other people say; you have given me the link to what those that want to leave the EU said, well, their views are not that important because they advance the positions that suit their geo-political objectives. my own position is neutral based on my experience in Europe. Right now, the arguments of those that want to leave the EU in London have suddenly come down to immigration, because that is the only territory that would allow them to stand on two legs, but we all know that virtually every argument on migration today could have been advanced 20 years ago. Austria was the first country to be sanctioned by the EU for bringing neo-nazi into mainstream politics in 2000. The argument of Jorgen Haider then was based on foreigners taking over Austria, and he got 3% in the polls.
I respect that most of you guys here are anti-EU. The Express newspaper you started this thread with is one of the most anti-EU newspapers in London, along with the Mail, Sun and the Daily Telegraph. And I started by saying that expecting Germany and France to go down the road of Britain is not feasible in the nearest future because those two countries constitute the pillar on which the EU stand, anyone that knows anything about European politics won`t argue with that.
All lovers of Russia want the EU to die, because they are angry about EU enlargement and what they see as an encroachment on Russia`s sphere of influence when EU allowed countries from Eastern Europe to join the EU. Well, I`m a lover of Russia but also a lover of Europe.
Re: Dis-integration Noose Thightens On The EU, As France Goes Brexit Way by Appleyard(m): 10:53am On May 30, 2016
ATERI:


My brother, I don`t analyse issues based on what other people say; you have given me the link to what those that want to leave the EU said, well, their views are not that important because they advance the positions that suit their gposition is neutral based on my experi. Austria was the first country to be sanctioned by the EU for bringing neo-nazi into mainstream politics in 2000. The argument of Jorgen Haider then was based on foreigners taking over Austria, and he got 3% in the polls.
I respect that mti-EU newspapers in London, along with the Mail, Sun and the Daily Telegraph.
All lovers of Russia want the EU to die, because they are angry about EU enlargement and what they see as an encroachment on Russia`s sphere of influence when EU allowed countries from Eastern Europe to join the EU. Well, I`m a lover of Russia but also a lover of Europe.
My dear brother, our views and perceptions are mostly informed by our inclinations to, and the inbibing of or comformity to the various forms of social stratification - the various elements of cultural background, belief system, political and social orientation, and their subsequent views. The way some conservative or liberal Brits will view some aspects of economic or political issues, based on certain standards of socio-cultural and political socialization, may never be the same way some Germans or French would view same issues in a given similar situation and conditions. As such, the thoughts and disparity in views of such groups, will always make up part of the broader picture, and so, its relevant and must be employed in formulating and determining a viable opinion and decision making, by modes of critical appraisal.

Yeah, Germany and France are the life wire of the EU, and going down the road like Britain, just like you said, its not feaseable for the time being. Nevertheless, the fact remains that there exist an avanlanche of 'disgruntled elements' based on some readily available issues within the internal 'liberal or conservative democratic' cultural settings of some of this independent states that makes up the EU.

It will interest you to know that, though France being a pillar of the EU project, and one that, under normal circumstances, should help keep the bloc in one piece and encourage its enlargement further into Europe, yet, in a recent survey of French respondents shows that more than 40% of French people are keener for Britain to leave the EU than any other nationality in the bloc. And the survey also shows that alot more than this percentage also want their own exit referandum.

What am trying to say here is that (just like i said earlier,) the idea behind the formation of the EU was never in doubt, but there are those within the bloc who felt that there is more to lose than to gain in the union, and recent happenings such as the migrant issues, security challenges, inter alia, has added more fuel to the already heating furnace. This is exactly why the bloc is facing this kind of challenge in form of 'Brexit' right now. And even if Brexit fails today, it still won't make much difference for the bloc, because the precedent has already been created, and some more states will definitly follow this same pact in the near future, and which would only entails the cracks in the Union. For there is no substitute for what people feels or see as 'freedom' and 'choice.' Political and economic views may, and do evolves, and people may go along: but by the time people begin to see or felt that such evolvement is gradably encroaching into what they might have interpreted and inbibed from time immemorial as 'freedom' or 'choice,' they will then classify it as a 'threat,' and before you say 'Jack,' the discomfort and resentment ante has gone up the ladder, and then the pushback begins. This is exactly the situation in Britain right now, with similar virus developing elsewhere, as it seems. This have nothing to do with people loving Russia and wanting the EU to break up. Western Europe was never the helm of Russia's sphere of influence, aside the East. The EU was in cordial relationship with the Kremlin since eons, until Amerika came to severe the cord following the Coup in Ukraine and the subsequent NATO up thick in provocasion in the Eastern fronts.
And this is just another reason why so many accross the bloc are increasingly getting uneasy being in it. To them (and is rightly so) the EU made itself a willing bunch of vassals in the hands of America poker game diabolic interest, instead of its own interest. For Europe need Russia than the US needs it, and has more tn lose than US would; and that is a fact. But it decide d to play the puppet, and not so many a people in the bloc likes that. Little wonder you have such huge French people wanting the Brits (US chief conspirator) out of the EU.

It never has anything to do with hatred for the EU and love for Russia. The crux is: there is no substitute for CHOICE.
Re: Dis-integration Noose Thightens On The EU, As France Goes Brexit Way by ATERI(m): 9:42am On May 31, 2016
Appleyard:
My dear brother, our views and perceptions are mostly informed by our inclinations to, and the inbibing of or comformity to the various forms of social stratification - the various elements of cultural background, belief system, political and social orientation, and their subsequent views. The way some conservative or liberal Brits will view some aspects of economic or political issues, based on certain standards of socio-cultural and political socialization, may never be the same way some Germans or French would view same issues in a given similar situation and conditions. As such, the thoughts and disparity in views of such groups, will always make up part of the broader picture, and so, its relevant and must be employed in formulating and determining a viable opinion and decision making, by modes of critical appraisal.

Yeah, Germany and France are the life wire of the EU, and going down the road like Britain, just like you said, its not feaseable for the time being. Nevertheless, the fact remains that there exist an avanlanche of 'disgruntled elements' based on some readily available issues within the internal 'liberal or conservative democratic' cultural settings of some of this independent states that makes up the EU.

It will interest you to know that, though France being a pillar of the EU project, and one that, under normal circumstances, should help keep the bloc in one piece and encourage its enlargement further into Europe, yet, in a recent survey of French respondents shows that more than 40% of French people are keener for Britain to leave the EU than any other nationality in the bloc. And the survey also shows that alot more than this percentage also want their own exit referandum.

What am trying to say here is that (just like i said earlier,) the idea behind the formation of the EU was never in doubt, but there are those within the bloc who felt that there is more to lose than to gain in the union, and recent happenings such as the migrant issues, security challenges, inter alia, has added more fuel to the already heating furnace. This is exactly why the bloc is facing this kind of challenge in form of 'Brexit' right now. And even if Brexit fails today, it still won't make much difference for the bloc, because the precedent has already been created, and some more states will definitly follow this same pact in the near future, and which would only entails the cracks in the Union. For there is no substitute for what people feels or see as 'freedom' and 'choice.' Political and economic views may, and do evolves, and people may go along: but by the time people begin to see or felt that such evolvement is gradably encroaching into what they might have interpreted and inbibed from time immemorial as 'freedom' or 'choice,' they will then classify it as a 'threat,' and before you say 'Jack,' the discomfort and resentment ante has gone up the ladder, and then the pushback begins. This is exactly the situation in Britain right now, with similar virus developing elsewhere, as it seems. This have nothing to do with people loving Russia and wanting the EU to break up. Western Europe was never the helm of Russia's sphere of influence, aside the East. The EU was in cordial relationship with the Kremlin since eons, until Amerika came to severe the cord following the Coup in Ukraine and the subsequent NATO up thick in provocasion in the Eastern fronts.
And this is just another reason why so many accross the bloc are increasingly getting uneasy being in it. To them (and is rightly so) the EU made itself a willing bunch of vassals in the hands of America poker game diabolic interest, instead of its own interest. For Europe need Russia than the US needs it, and has more tn lose than US would; and that is a fact. But it decide d to play the puppet, and not so many a people in the bloc likes that. Little wonder you have such huge French people wanting the Brits (US chief conspirator) out of the EU.

It never has anything to do with hatred for the EU and love for Russia.The crux is: there is no substitute for CHOICE

Should we apply this to Nigeria? Or all Nigerians are happy to be in that federation today? You can`t go around and say because some people are dissatisfied with the status quo then the next thing is to quit the most successful economic and political bloc in the world. Let me leave you and your fellow Leavers with a question: since there is no country that has ever left the EU before, how can you lot be pontificating on what would happen to Britain after leaving the EU? Good morning!
Re: Dis-integration Noose Thightens On The EU, As France Goes Brexit Way by Appleyard(m): 12:08pm On May 31, 2016
ATERI:


Should we apply this to Nigeria? Or all Nigerians are happy to be in that federation today? You can`t go around and say because some people are dissatisfied with the status quo then the next thing is to quit the most successful economic and political bloc in the world. Let me leave you and your fellow Leavers with a question: since there is no country that has ever left the EU before, how can you lot be pontificating on what would happen to Britain after leaving the EU? Good morning!

Morning, brother.

I really don't remember pontificating on what would happen to Britain should it leave the EU. What i said was why some people felt that leaving the EU would be more better than staying put, and you and i have cited some reasons for or against leaving, taking into perspective the various divergent interest of the ''stay in'' and ''stay out'' groups. We haven't discoursed what will happens after an exit, and honestly, i don't know.

Yes, tying it down to Nigeria may be plausible, in the sense that, you have a scenario where some group of persons want to be freed out of the entity. But again, the two situations before us are totally different in the sense that, Nigeria is a Federation, the EU is not, but a Confederation. In a Federational system, sovereignty absolutely resides in the central authority, and agitation for complete independence therefrom, is called ''secession'', and which is, in most cases, not permitted, criminalized by the legal sanctity governing that entity; with war often being the end result. But in a Confederation, the opposite is the case. Absolute sovereignty does not reside in the confederal centre, like in Brussels [for the EU.) Rather, the member states thereof reserved the absolute right to accept, modified, codified or reject any directives or laws imposed by the confederal centre. They can also leave the body at anytime of their chosen.

Nevertheless, the only point of convergeance is in the area of Choice. The likes of Biafra as humans, reserved, by virtue of their humanity, the choice that they want to leave the entity called Nigeria, even though such right of Choice isn't recognized by the laws of the Federation. So too is Britain, having a choice to leave or stay in the EU, and such choice (unlike Biafra) is backed by the laws of the EU. Conversely, the fact that the UK is even going to hold a referandum to that effect, is significant of how crucial, how viable and important the VIEWS and CHOICE of a group of people or a Section of the populace could be.

The whole crux has always rest on the fulcrum of Choice and Freedom of Interpretation.

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