taurus25:

that is what you choose to make yourself believe. Btw drugs cure atheists too. There"s no point saying you were healed by supernatural means when you took a drug(natural) to that effect.

so, unfortunately when the drug fails to cure you resort to blaming another imaginary character because it makes everything very convienient and very well explained.

whether the drug cures atheists or even satanist,or no cure happens at all,it all by the permission of God.

crusadistic:

whether the drug cures atheists or even satanist,or no cure happens at all,it all by the permission of God.

Ok so you are saying everything that happens always are with the full consent of God?

johnydon22:


Ok so you are saying everything that happens always are with the full consent of God?

Yes of course.

crusadistic:

Yes of course.

Which means that for every single child that is raped, every single soul that perish for hunger are all direct results of God's plan and will.

so therefore when a rapist say "It was the devil's handiwork" which devil is he referring to here..

since his actions as you are proposing have direct consent from God wish, God then is the "devil" at work here.

Isn't this what you are implying... All the terrible things in these planets are all part of God's will

johnydon22:


Which means that for every single child that is raped, every single soul that perish for hunger are all direct results of God's plan and will.

so therefore when a rapist say "It was the devil's handiwork" which devil is he referring to here..

since his actions as you are proposing have direct consent from God wish, God then is the "devil" at work here.

Isn't this what you are implying... All the terrible things in these planets are all part of God's will

Was it God who raped them ;

"No calamity occurs on earth nor in yourselves but it is
inscribed in the Book of Decrees before We bring it into
existence. Verily, that is easy for Allah.
In order that you may not grieve at the things over that
you fail to get, nor rejoice over that which has been given
to you. And Allah likes not prideful boasters."
Quran (Surah Hadid, Verses 22,23)
Abu al-‘Abbas ‘Abdullah bin ‘Abbas(ra) reports:

“One day I was riding (a horse/camel) behind the
Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, when
he said, ‘Young man, I will teach you some words.
Be mindful of God, and He will take care of you.
Be mindful of Him, and you shall find Him at your
side. If you ask, ask of God. If you need help,
seek it from God. Know that if the whole world
were to gather together in order to help you, they
would not be able to help you except if God had
written so. And if the whole world were to gather
together in order to harm you, they would not
harm you except if God had written so. The pens
have been lifted, and the pages are dry."

“There is a basic difference between you and us in regard
to the conduct of affairs. We believe that both the good
and the bad are from Allah: therefore the apparent result
does not make us happy or sad. Moreover, we depend on
Allah in our affairs and you depend on material
resources: so we are content and happy in all
circumstances.”

crusadistic:

Was it God who raped them ;

You are the person who just told us it happened by God's consent, if God didn't consent to it, it won't happen.

so the reason why rape happen is because God consented, if God simply did not consent it won't happen - going by what you told us unless you are trying to change your stance that "everything that happens do not happen because of God's consent" it's a tough Job.

so by proxy you are implying it's all God's string plays, therefore the people involved are just pawns in God's chess..

so who really is the devil..

God to you consents and watches as these perpetrators carry out these horrifying acts, if i see someone raping another and i am able to stop him, i will stop him.

But not only do you assert a God whose 'consent' you tell us is directly responsible for these horrifying things that happen but it also seats and watches without doing anything..

If you are going to invent a God, at least invent one that deserve respect.

johnydon22:


You are the person who just told us it happened by God's consent, if God didn't consent to it, it won't happen.

so the reason why rape happen is because God consented, if God simply did not consent it won't happen - going by what you told us unless you are trying to change your stance that "everything that happens do not happen because of God's consent" it's a tough Job.

so by proxy you are implying it's all God's string plays, therefore the people involved are just pawns in God's chess..

so who really is the devil..

God to you consents and watches as these perpetrators carry out these horrifying acts, if i see someone raping another and i am able to stop him, i will stop him.

But not only do you assert a God whose 'consent' you tell us is directly responsible for these horrifying things that happen but it also seats and watches without doing anything..

If you are going to invent a God, at least invent one that deserve respect.

*smh*
Atheists thinking they are wiser than God.In the first place,Can you atheists put forth any rational premise that a God if He must exists must be merciful or putting it more accurately,"subscribe to your own idea of mercy and love" for Him to deserve your so-called respect.You see,you've just invented an idea of what a God should be based solely on your preconceived notions and feelings.

Yes! He's merciful and loving,but He's also the Planner,the Wise,the Punisher,The One Who Decrees,....Lord over All! including Satan.Nothing you think you know of wisdom or mercy compares to His and nothing you think you know of punishment compares to His,and whatever good that exists stems from him.
These are fundamental axioms that define him just the same way he is One.

crusadistic:

*smh*
Atheists thinking they are wiser than God.In the first place,Can you atheists put forth any rational premise that a God if He must exists must be merciful or putting it more accurately,"subscribe to your own idea of mercy and love" for Him to deserve your so-called respect.You see,you've just invented an idea of what a God should be based solely on your preconceived notions and feelings.

Not at all, i am only evaluating your God concept based on the features and Characteristics you attribute to it, because so far as we know you are the only person here making claims for God [apparently God can't do it himself]

So showing that i am disgusted by your notion of God going by the Characters you give that your concluded figure does not in any way lean to argue the existence or inexistence of such deity based on such characteristics.

Rather only shows that a person [human or not] who exhibits such a character like the one you claim for God does not deserve anyone's respect.

so as God for you has shown not to be anymore than human invention [you also determine how God should be and behaves] at least invent one that deserves respect or has a reasonable excuse.

Yes! He's merciful and loving,but He's also the Planner,the Wise,the Punisher,The One Who Decrees,....Lord over All! including Satan.Nothing you think you know of wisdom or mercy compares to His and nothing you think you know of punishment compares to His,and whatever good that exists stems from him.
These are fundamental axioms that define him just the same way he is One.

You are the one that said here that "God" is directly responsible for everything because everything must be according to his consent.

Here you are claiming that only good stems from him now distancing yourself from your previous assertion.

Going by your assertion that "everything" happens because of God's consent that means that Good and bad are all his works and projections.

so while laying out this profound profession of piety remember to also add "what ever evil exists stems from him, after all he also supposedly created the devil too.

so you see, God is also the architect of evil as well, the special pleading is understood none the less.

God!!!! I can't believe atheists dominates dis site.... This is really disheartening... Hmmmm.... It will be a waste of time explaining something to a deaf fellow... It is well.

Tenniebenson:
God!!!! I can't believe atheists dominates dis site.... This is really disheartening... Hmmmm.... It will be a waste of time explaining something to a deaf fellow... It is well.

Hahahaha my tennie calm down oo

orisa37:
It's English language that is absurd and confusing in this context. Humans act, interact and move in the influence of two Spirits. The Righteous Spirit and The Evil Spirit.. When you are confident, courageous, persevering, humble and responsible, no evil spirit is influencing you. The Devils spirit hunts you when you're ASHAMED, RESTLESS AND CONFUSED.

There are spirits but they don't interfere in human affair to the extent of controlling you. You can only see them during deep meditations, yet they won't come out to influence your life.

Ote, you're wrong again. Your Feelings, Thinking and Reasonings are Spirits. If they don't influence you why are they in you to instruct, direct and discern your light, your good and your life. Please note that Instructions, Directions, Discernment, Light, Goodness, Life and even Influence another name for Directives are all Spirits, Holy Spirit of God in Christ Jesus which He won for all Born Agains.

Throughout life, man has been searching for who to put the blames for their inactions and mistakes on, luckily religion provided the DEVIL! Lol

Let the fellow rot in jail

johnydon22:

Hahahaha my tennie calm down oo

. . Calm down Chai!

Tenniebenson:
. . Calm down Chai!

Yes. if you have questions you can ask them on whatsapp

ViktorMartins:
Throughout life, man has been searching for who to put the blames for their inactions and mistakes on, luckily religion provided the DEVIL! Lol

Let the fellow rot in jail

lol

orisa37:
Ote, you're wrong again. Your Feelings, Thinking and Reasonings are Spirits. If they don't influence you why are they in you to instruct, direct and discern your light, your good and your life. Please note that Instructions, Directions, Discernment, Light, Goodness, Life and even Influence another name for Directives are all Spirits, Holy Spirit of God in Christ Jesus which He won for all Born Agains.

what is this one saying?

Greek

orisa37:
Greek

oh! just saw your comment was directed at Otem
I thought it was to Johnny since you didn't quote anyone

Johnny speaks Greek. Otem speaks Swahili.

and Orisa speaks?

orisa37:
Johnny speaks Greek. Otem speaks Swahili.

lol..

lepasharon:
Religion breeds morality my foot

Dont blame religion, blame those practising wrongly.

Otem also speaks Horus, ISIS, Jesus etcetera etcetera.

Tenniebenson:
God!!!! I can't believe atheists dominates dis site.... This is really disheartening... Hmmmm.... It will be a waste of time explaining something to a deaf fellow... It is well.

Do not waste your time. Don't feed the virus.

johnydon22:


Which means that for every single child that is raped, every single soul that perish for hunger are all direct results of God's plan and will.

so therefore when a rapist say "It was the devil's handiwork" which devil is he referring to here..

since his actions as you are proposing have direct consent from God wish, God then is the "devil" at work here.

Isn't this what you are implying... All the terrible things in these planets are all part of God's will

Christianity does have degenerative effects on the brain