hopefulLandlord:
Jesus’s Story is an Obvious Rehashing Of Numerous Previous Characters
Perhaps even more compelling is the story of Christ himself. As it turns out it’s not even remotely original. It is instead nothing more than a collection of bits and pieces from dozens of other stories that came long before. Here are some examples.
1. Asklepios healed the sick, raised the dead, and was known as the savior and redeemer.
2. Hercules was born of a divine father and mortal mother and was known as the savior of the world.
3. Dionysus was literally the “Son of God”, was born of a woman who had not had sex with a man, and was depicted riding a donkey . He was a traveling teacher who performed miracles, and was killed and resurrected, after which time he became immortal.
4. Osiris did the same things. He was born of a virgin, was considered the first true king of the people, and when he died he rose from the grave and went to heaven.
5. Osiris’s son, Horus , was known as the “light of the world”, “The good shepherd”, and “the lamb”. He was also referred to as, “The way, the truth, and the life.” His symbol was a cross-like symbol.
6. Mithra‘s birthday was celebrated on the
25th of December , his birth was witnessed by local shepherds who brought him gifts, had 12 disciples, and when he was done on earth he had a final meal before going up to heaven. On judgment day he’ll return to pass judgment on the living and the dead. The good will go to heaven, and the evil will die in a giant fire. His holiday is on Sunday (he’s the Sun God). His followers called themselves “brothers”, and their leaders “fathers”
. They had baptism and a meal ritual where symbolic flesh and blood were eaten. Heaven was in the sky, and hell was below with demons and sinners.
7. Krishna had a miraculous conception that wise men were able to come to because
they were guided by a star. After he was born an area ruler tried to have him found and killed. His parents were warned by a divine messenger, however, and they escaped and was met by shepherds. The boy grew up to be the mediator between God and man.
8. Buddha ‘s mother was told by an angel that she’d give birth to a holy child destined to be a savior. As a child he teaches the priests in his temple about religion while his parents look for him. He starts his religious career at roughly 30 years of age and is said to have spoken to 12 disciples on his deathbed. One of the disciples is his favorite, and another is a traitor. He and his disciples abstain from wealth and travel around speaking in parables and metaphors. He called himself “the son of man” and was referred to as, “prophet”, “master”, and “Lord”. He healed the sick, cured the blind and deaf, and he walked on water. One of his disciples tried to walk on water as well but sunk because his faith wasn’t strong enough.
9. Apollonius of Tyana (a contemporary of Jesus) performed countless miracles (healing sick and crippled, restored sight, casted out demons, etc.) His birth was of a virgin, foretold by an angel. He knew scripture really well as a child. He was crucified , rose from the dead and appeared to his disciples to prove his power before going to heaven to sit at the right hand of the father. He was known as, “The Son of God”.
The problem, of course, is that these previous narratives existed hundreds to thousands of years before Jesus did.

tempem:
I bet you don't understand half of what you wrote.. .
Copy-pasting!!
But three basic facts are certain and it couldn't be denied. All prophecies mentioned came to past. 100%
Though not a science book, but whenever it mentioned something about science, it's always accurate.
It's the world most translated book and the most widely spread, despite vicious attack.
These three facts gladdens my heart about the Holy Scriptures.

HardMirror:

Park well.
Even if it is copy paste, does that make the information incorrect?

Think!

not at all... The person/organization you copied, might have been corrected, and you being oblivious to that, Copy without their consent... Your post isn't organized.. . I only deal with people who raised honest questions from their heart. You know why? One'll be able to reach their hearts, unlike the copyist who would only restrict themselves to what it's being copied...

hopefulLandlord:
Jesus’s Story is an Obvious Rehashing Of Numerous Previous Characters
Perhaps even more compelling is the story of Christ himself. As it turns out it’s not even remotely original. It is instead nothing more than a collection of bits and pieces from dozens of other stories that came long before. Here are some examples.
1. Asklepios healed the sick, raised the dead, and was known as the savior and redeemer.
2. Hercules was born of a divine father and mortal mother and was known as the savior of the world.
3. Dionysus was literally the “Son of God”, was born of a woman who had not had sex with a man, and was depicted riding a donkey . He was a traveling teacher who performed miracles, and was killed and resurrected, after which time he became immortal.
4. Osiris did the same things. He was born of a virgin, was considered the first true king of the people, and when he died he rose from the grave and went to heaven.
5. Osiris’s son, Horus , was known as the “light of the world”, “The good shepherd”, and “the lamb”. He was also referred to as, “The way, the truth, and the life.” His symbol was a cross-like symbol.
6. Mithra‘s birthday was celebrated on the
25th of December , his birth was witnessed by local shepherds who brought him gifts, had 12 disciples, and when he was done on earth he had a final meal before going up to heaven. On judgment day he’ll return to pass judgment on the living and the dead. The good will go to heaven, and the evil will die in a giant fire. His holiday is on Sunday (he’s the Sun God). His followers called themselves “brothers”, and their leaders “fathers”
. They had baptism and a meal ritual where symbolic flesh and blood were eaten. Heaven was in the sky, and hell was below with demons and sinners.
7. Krishna had a miraculous conception that wise men were able to come to because
they were guided by a star. After he was born an area ruler tried to have him found and killed. His parents were warned by a divine messenger, however, and they escaped and was met by shepherds. The boy grew up to be the mediator between God and man.
8. Buddha ‘s mother was told by an angel that she’d give birth to a holy child destined to be a savior. As a child he teaches the priests in his temple about religion while his parents look for him. He starts his religious career at roughly 30 years of age and is said to have spoken to 12 disciples on his deathbed. One of the disciples is his favorite, and another is a traitor. He and his disciples abstain from wealth and travel around speaking in parables and metaphors. He called himself “the son of man” and was referred to as, “prophet”, “master”, and “Lord”. He healed the sick, cured the blind and deaf, and he walked on water. One of his disciples tried to walk on water as well but sunk because his faith wasn’t strong enough.
9. Apollonius of Tyana (a contemporary of Jesus) performed countless miracles (healing sick and crippled, restored sight, casted out demons, etc.) His birth was of a virgin, foretold by an angel. He knew scripture really well as a child. He was crucified , rose from the dead and appeared to his disciples to prove his power before going to heaven to sit at the right hand of the father. He was known as, “The Son of God”.
The problem, of course, is that these previous narratives existed hundreds to thousands of years before Jesus did.

lepasharon:
I would like to see one about the Quran

tempem:
I bet you don't understand half of what you wrote.. .
Copy-pasting!!
But three basic facts are certain and it couldn't be denied. All prophecies mentioned came to past. 100%
Though not a science book, but whenever it mentioned something about science, it's always accurate.
It's the world most translated book and the most widely spread, despite vicious attack.
These three facts gladdens my heart about the Holy Scriptures.

cokoduck:
You will never see anyone saying any nonsense about Koran, the person wey go write that thing wan die?

johnydon22:


Yeap it is very scientifically accurate to think Day and night came before the sun

-that snakes biologically used to talk

-the sun orbited the earth, came to a sudden halt to allow people continue killing each other

-thinks snows and hails has a store room

That's your science brother, clearly i recommend real science books to you

tempem:

Don't get me wrong, bro.. That's miracle, bro...
But going about what people first thought about the earth's shape to be like, The Bible has long said it to be circular.. Which detailed research made by scientists agrees with this.

When people said a lot about where the earth stands on, the Bible had already said that the earth hangs on nothing. Scientists agrees on this too.
When it comes to being clean clean physically the Bible offers perfect principles guiding that..
And lots of other principles.

cokoduck:
You will never see anyone saying any nonsense about Koran,

NO OFFENSE TO ANY MUSLIM,
BUT I THINK THE HERD OF SHEEP CONTROLLED BY MOHAMED IS WAY DUMBER THAN THAT OF JESUS.

YOU TELL THEM BOMB YOURSELF FOR ALLAH, THEY OBEY.
KILL YOUR OWN SON, THEY OBEY.
KILL A BUNCH OF INNOCENT PEOPLE SO YOU'LL GET ABOUT 7 VIRGINS WHEN YOU DIE, THEY OBEY.
AS A MAN YOU SHOULD SQUAT FOR NO REASON WHEN YOU WANNA PEE SO AS TO NOT PEE IN ALLAH'S SOUP, THEY SAY NO PROBLEM.
AS A WOMAN YOU SHOULD WALK AROUND WITH HIJAB FOR ETERNITY WHETHER ITS HOT OR COLD, ALLAH DOESN'T CARE.. AND DON'T SHAKE HANDS WITH THE BOYS IN YOUR SCHOOL BUT YOU CAN HAVE ANY AMOUNT OF SEX WITH YOUR BOYFRIEND, A PERSON YOU'RE NOT MARRIED TO


ALL A CHRISTIAN DOES IS TO DEFEND HIS BIBLE ON EVERY NAIRALAND THREAD WHILE DISOBEYING ITS COMMANDMENTS.

AT LEAST IF YOU'RE GONNA BE A SHEEP OR EVEN A CATTLE MAKE SURE YOU BELONG TO JESUS, NOT MOHAMED THE DRUNK!

johnydon22:


it's not a miracle that the genesis story paints a picture where it was normal that snakes talk, its simply a jewish folklore that you lot took serious.

and there can never be such a thing as Day/night before or without the sun.

the sun doesn't orbit earth and there can't be a sudden halt of this celestial orbital dance of earth around the sun [because nobody need worry about Joshua and his soldiers, if the earth stopped rotating the world was literally over as you know it]

Circular doesn't imply spherical, there are other ancient civilizations that portrayed a spherical earth not even a circular projection.

Sumerians measured accurately the orbit of Jupiter long before the jews ever emerged.

Eratosthenes measured the size of the planet much long ago...

these are not miraculous, these are born out of human study. there were humans and they studied science [astrology] though they were ancient and limited

I'm sure if it was the jews that achieved something like measuring the orbit of another planet or size of earth in the bible you would have thought it was only a deity could tell them.

That is wrong, the bible is riddled with many scientific blunders even ones that many older texts knew otherwise.



The bible also mentions "Pillars" for the earth, only a flat plain needs pillars a sphere has no pillars.

These are ancient attempts at explaining what is, very Daring but its naive and limited.

So do not think there is anything special about the bible, it lacks greatly in scientific feats than most other ancient works.

But they are all limited and full of errors considering the naivete of the primitive humans involved.

tempem:

* see muscles!! Lol.. Cool down..
You aren't a reader of the Bible..

You only search for areas to criticize, and that's reasonable, but the unreasonable part is when you don't let yourself be corrected... .

Job 26:7 (The Bible correctly teaches that the earth hangs on nothing)

Isaiah 40:22 (Bible said that the earth's round)

So, please show me what researchers said on this..

And please your pillar Earth get me the reference..

tempem:
I bet you don't understand half of what you wrote.. .
Copy-pasting!!
But three basic facts are certain and it couldn't be denied. All prophecies mentioned came to past. 100%
Though not a science book, but whenever it mentioned something about science, it's always accurate.
It's the world most translated book and the most widely spread, despite vicious attack.
These three facts gladdens my heart about the Holy Scriptures.

tempem:
I bet you don't understand half of what you wrote.. .
Copy-pasting!!
But three basic facts are certain and it couldn't be denied. All prophecies mentioned came to past. 100%
Though not a science book, but whenever it mentioned something about science, it's always accurate.
It's the world most translated book and the most widely spread, despite vicious attack.
These three facts gladdens my heart about the Holy Scriptures.

johnydon22:


I have done that many times... nothing happened and that you don't see Quran critics doesn't make the bible accurate.

From where exactly do you guys derive this type of jaw dropping logic?

cokoduck:
you mean copy and paste

johnydon22:

I don't open threads with copy and paste, far better than that

hopefulLandlord:
Similarities to Other Stories
The similarities between the stories and characters in the Bible and those from previous mythologies are both undeniable and well-documented. This would be obvious if it weren’t for early indoctrination of these beliefs into children, which usually makes them unassailable as adults.
In this short piece I’ll attempt to show extraordinary similarities with regard to two of the most important Biblical narratives: the Genesis story and the character of Jesus Christ.
The Book of Genesis’s Flood Story Mirrors The Epic Of Gilgamesh From Hundreds Of Years Earlier
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Here are a number of elements that both Gilgamesh and the flood story in Genesis share:
1. God decided to send a worldwide flood. This would drown men, women, children, babies and infants, as well as eliminate all of the land animals and birds.
2. God knew of one righteous man, Ut-Napishtim or Noah.
3. God ordered the hero to build a multi-story wooden ark (called a chest or box in the original Hebrew), and the hero initially complained about the assignment to build the boat.
4. The ark would have many compartments, a single door, be sealed with pitch and would house one of every animal species.
5. A great rain covered the land with water.
6. The ark landed on a mountain in the Middle East.
7. The first two birds returned to the ark. The third bird apparently found dry land because it did not return.
8. The hero and his family left the ark, ritually killed an animal, offered it as a sacrifice.
9. The Babylonian gods seemed genuinely sorry for the genocide that they had created. The God of Noah appears to have regretted his actions as well, because he promised never to do it again.

hopefulLandlord:
Jesus’s Story is an Obvious Rehashing Of Numerous Previous Characters
Perhaps even more compelling is the story of Christ himself. As it turns out it’s not even remotely original. It is instead nothing more than a collection of bits and pieces from dozens of other stories that came long before. Here are some examples.
1. Asklepios healed the sick, raised the dead, and was known as the savior and redeemer.

2. Hercules was born of a divine father and mortal mother and was known as the savior of the world.

3. Dionysus was literally the “Son of God”, was born of a woman who had not had sex with a man, and was depicted riding a donkey . He was a traveling teacher who performed miracles, and was killed and resurrected, after which time he became immortal.

4. Osiris did the same things. He was born of a virgin, was considered the first true king of the people, and when he died he rose from the grave and went to heaven.
5. Osiris’s son, Horus , was known as the “light of the world”, “The good shepherd”, and “the lamb”. He was also referred to as, “The way, the truth, and the life.” His symbol was a cross-like symbol.

6. Mithra‘s birthday was celebrated on the
25th of December , his birth was witnessed by local shepherds who brought him gifts, had 12 disciples, and when he was done on earth he had a final meal before going up to heaven. On judgment day he’ll return to pass judgment on the living and the dead. The good will go to heaven, and the evil will die in a giant fire. His holiday is on Sunday (he’s the Sun God). His followers called themselves “brothers”, and their leaders “fathers”
. They had baptism and a meal ritual where symbolic flesh and blood were eaten. Heaven was in the sky, and hell was below with demons and sinners.

7. Krishna had a miraculous conception that wise men were able to come to because
they were guided by a star. After he was born an area ruler tried to have him found and killed. His parents were warned by a divine messenger, however, and they escaped and was met by shepherds. The boy grew up to be the mediator between God and man.
8. Buddha ‘s mother was told by an angel that she’d give birth to a holy child destined to be a savior. As a child he teaches the priests in his temple about religion while his parents look for him. He starts his religious career at roughly 30 years of age and is said to have spoken to 12 disciples on his deathbed. One of the disciples is his favorite, and another is a traitor. He and his disciples abstain from wealth and travel around speaking in parables and metaphors. He called himself “the son of man” and was referred to as, “prophet”, “master”, and “Lord”. He healed the sick, cured the blind and deaf, and he walked on water. One of his disciples tried to walk on water as well but sunk because his faith wasn’t strong enough.

9. Apollonius of Tyana (a contemporary of Jesus)

performed countless miracles (healing sick and crippled, restored sight, casted out demons, etc.) His birth was of a virgin, foretold by an angel. He knew scripture really well as a child. He was crucified , rose from the dead and appeared to his disciples to prove his power before going to heaven to sit at the right hand of the father. He was known as, “The Son of God”.
The problem, of course, is that these previous narratives existed hundreds to thousands of years before Jesus did.

hopefulLandlord:
Unavoidable contradictions
Not only was the Bible taken largely and blatantly from previous stories, but there are contradictions so massive that they defy belief. Here are just a few of them.

Noah’s Ark : The story of the Ark is that a pair of every animal on earth was put on the ship. Forgetting for a second the fact that the story came directly from the Epic of Gilgamesh, keep in mind we’re being asked to believe that two 500-year-old people are caring for tens of thousands of animals. And where did they keep the food? How did they keep the poisonous snakes from biting the other animals? And where did they get the polar bears, alligators, and thousands of other animals that that don’t live in the Middle East?

The Angel’s Message : In Matthew 1:20 it says the Angel spoke to Joseph. In Luke 1:28 he spoke to Mary. Which was it?

Mary’s Virginity : The Hebrew word ‘Almah’, which people took to mean virgin, actually means ‘young woman of marriage age’. And there are plenty of indications that Jesus had brothers and sisters.

The Census : The authors of the Bible are trying so hard to get Jesus born in Bethlehem that they craft a story about a census. They say that Joseph had to travel back to his father’s homeland in order to register for it. Can you seriously imagine—in any period let alone then—asking the entire country to travel back their father’s hometown to register for a census? It’s completely impossible. The author of the story put it in there because they needed Jesus born in that city. Plus, historians note that the Romans kept extraordinary records, and there wasn’t even a census at that time. It’s completely fabricated, and for obvious reasons.

Jesus and the Family : The Bible says honor your father and mother, yet Jesus says you must hate your father, mother, wife, children, and even your own life to be a disciple, and says to call no man on earth your father. (MT 10:35-37, LK 12:51-53, 14:26, MT 23:9)

God and Murder: God says killing is wrong, yet he advocates genocide. (EX 34:11-14, LV 26:7-9)
God and Slavery : We all know slavery to be wrong, yet God openly advocates it. (GN 17:12, EX 12:43, EX: 21:1, EX 21:20, EX 21:32, LV 22:10, LV 25:44, LK 7:2, CL 3:22)

Jesus’s Heritage : There are two different genealogies for Jesus given in the Bible, and they don’t match. One is curiously given through Joseph, which is strange since he’s not Jesus’s father. Why give a genealogy through someone who isn’t related to you?

The Passover : It’s widely understood that God is supposed to be all-seeing and all-knowing. If that’s true, then why did he need people to mark their houses with blood in order to keep from killing their babies inside?

Kill Your Son to Prove You Love Me: God told Abraham to kill his son to prove that he loved God. Abraham raised the knife to him, about to do it, and God called it off—pleased that he would have done it. Does that sound like a moral God to you?
This is just a tiny sample of the inconsistencies and moral problems with the Bible.

hopefulLandlord:
Nagging questions
1. How is Jesus’s crucifixion the ultimate sacrifice if he isn’t dead

? He has been immortal since the beginning of time, and he’s still alive and immortal today, so where’s the sacrifice?

2. If Jesus removed our sins with his (see above) “sacrifice”, then how come we still have to avoid sin and accept him as our savior to avoid an eternity in hell? What did it accomplish?

3. Why does the Bible talk constantly about how to manage slaves, how to kill one’s enemies, and how to avoid making God angry, but there’s not much focus at all on seemingly obvious things like, “Thou Shalt Not Harm a Child”?

4. I know the Ark was supposed to be large, but the world currently has an estimated 8,700,000 species of life form. And you needed two of each
5. Forgetting just the numbers problem, how did the species that only exist (and still exist) in South America, and Antartica, and Australia, etc., all make it to the Ark?

6. What’s the direct, non-hand-waving explanation for the suffering and death of roughly 9 million children per year in a world supposedly ruled by a kind and loving God?

malvisguy212:
Scholar8200 God bless you, @ op, you see were you got it wrong ? Your thread has been debunk.

tempem:
I bet you don't understand half of what you wrote.. .
Copy-pasting!!
But three basic facts are certain and it couldn't be denied. All prophecies mentioned came to past. 100%
Though not a science book, but whenever it mentioned something about science, it's always accurate.
It's the world most translated book and the most widely spread, despite vicious attack.
These three facts gladdens my heart about the Holy Scriptures.