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Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by kilo4sure: 3:36pm On Aug 21, 2016 |
orisa37:Even scholars do not agree with him, tell him to name the scholars who says Jesus doesn't exist. All of what he posted is nothing new, and has been debunked by scholars even atheist scholars, yet his likes keep repeating thesame nonsense perhaps just for fun. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by uvalued(m): 7:07am On Oct 11, 2016 |
enjoy reading : Lee Strobel - The Case for the Real Jesus https://www.dropbox.com/s/sf227stqv1bss0z/Lee%20Strobel%20-%20Case%20for%20the%20Real%20Jesus.pdf?dl=0 |
Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by ScienceWatch: 1:51am On Jan 17, 2017 |
I got this impressive article of facts to share here. The Qur’an provides numerous internal evidences that testify to the Biblical truth that Jesus is indeed the Son of God. The testimonies regarding Jesus in the Qur’an itself clearly show that he is more than a prophet. One of the most important points of agreement between Islam and Christianity concerns the conception of Jesus is the virgin birth.but the quran does not clearly state the reason of the virgin birth. The Qur’an teaches that the virgin-birth of Jesus was simply a manifestation of God’s power Surah 3:47: “She said: My Lord! How can I have a child when no mortal hath touched me? He said: So it will be. Allah createth what HE Will. If he decree a thing, He saith unto it only: BE! And it is.” 1 Like |
Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by ScienceWatch: 2:03am On Jan 17, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord:HOPEFULLANDlord Are you still shopping for young innocent readers to fool on Nairaland ? Atheists will try to deny the existance of Jesus even though millions of Muslims can use their Koran to prove that Jesus is real. This is overwhelming proof from an ancient holy book called the Holy Koran; Surah 4:171: “Christ Jesus the son of Mary was an apostle of God, and His Word, which he bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from him: so believe in God and His apostles.” In Surah 4:171: Jesus is called, “His Word.” And in Surah 3:45 the Qur’an states that Allah gave Mary a glad tidings “of a Word from Him.” In the original Arabic, the expression used here is “kalimatim-minhu.” It means kalmia (word), min (from), hu (him). It is of vital importance for Muslims to note that Jesus is the only Prophet who ever lived, who is called a Word from God. Centuries before the Qur’an came into existence, this same title was given to Jesus in the Bible: John 1:14: “And the Word became flesh and made is dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son who came from the father, and he was full of undeserved kindness and truth.” Revelation 19:13: “…the name by which he is called is the Word of God.” 2 Likes |
Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by Niflheim(m): 1:23pm On Mar 14, 2017 |
@hopefullandlord, The most stupid part of the Gospels was when the ascencion into Heaven!!! No spacecraft? No rocket? What was his "escape velocity" that he used to exit the Earth's orbit? So he was flying in space without a special helmet or astronaut suit? How did he breath? PURE RUBBISH!!! 1 Like |
Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by ilynem(m): 1:32pm On Mar 14, 2017 |
Didn't bother reading your epistle. I would rather believe Muslim theologians, christian theologians, Greek, Jewish, roman and atheist theologians (gerd Ludemann) than a keyboard warrior by the name of HopefulLandlord who sits on his couch and investigate the life of Christ from a simple google search. NEXT! 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by akintom(m): 2:00pm On Mar 14, 2017 |
This is hilarious but salient! hahn: 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by Richirich713: 2:42pm On Mar 14, 2017 |
Title of this thread is dishonest, almost no scholar believes he never existed. 1 Like |
Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by Pastafarian: 7:27pm On Mar 14, 2017 |
Niflheim: true, its all fiction that's been believed to be true for toooooo long 1 Like |
Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by 4kings: 4:32pm On Jul 27, 2017 |
Richirich713:Just like one would say almost no scientist disagree on the theory of evoulution or most people agree the world is round. Why not bring in the facts they agree on for analysis against the OP and not population of people's sentiments. |
Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by Richirich713: 6:22pm On Jul 27, 2017 |
4kings: But there are much more scientists who reject Neo-Darwinism than there are scholars who reject Jesus existence. Mythicism has only about ~2 scholars on the planet. or most people agree the world is round. there aren't scientists out there who think otherwise (I hope ) Why not bring in the facts they agree on for analysis against the OP and not population of people's sentiments. I was responding to the title of the thread, it is misleading. Responding to copy and paste is also not my thing. 1 Like |
Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by Mujtahida: 8:51pm On Jul 27, 2017 |
God said... It is written... These are the two wickedest lies ever uttered on earth. People do not realise how absurd, how utterly stupid it is to worship a god that one cannot see. According to Everett, the Pirahã have no concept of a supreme spirit or god, [8] AND THEY LOST INTEREST IN JESUS WHEN THEY DISCOVERED THAT EVERETT HAD NEVER SEEN HIM. They require evidence based on personal experience for every claim made. [5] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirahã Just because man has the capacity to imagine the invincible does not mean that the invincible becomes God through the instrument of faith. In any case the day this words were written: the Word became flesh and dwelled among us is the day God lost all rights to remain invincible. Jesus as written in the Bible wanted nothing more than to live his own life, he guarded his life with fierce jealousy, he was ready to break even the law if it contravened his own impulse. The dictate of his own soul was his God. He lived his life, let me live mine too- his life cannot become a law for me for to do that is to violate my own soul and disobey my own God |
Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by 4kings: 12:28pm On Jul 28, 2017 |
Richirich713:Where are you getting this stats from? When answering also review the definition of scientists and scholars. I was responding to the title of the thread, it is misleading. The answer to the above will address this. Responding to copy and paste is also not my thing.Hmmm. |
Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by Praisesmart(m): 1:50pm On Jul 28, 2017 |
...[color=#990000][/color]HERESIES... 1 Like
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Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by Richirich713: 3:10pm On Jul 29, 2017 |
4kings: From blogs, books and videos I have read and seen thru the years. Mythicism only has about 2~ historians with a decree that's relevant to the study of Jesus existence. Bart Ehrman for instance only finds Richard Carrier and Robert Price among scholars who support mythicism in his book Did Jesus Exist. Lots of other scholars have mentioned that virtually no scholar/historian denies Jesus existence. With regard to evolution I take it we talking about biologists (or anything else relevant). In this case I've seen much more biologists, biochemists deny neo-darwanism compared to the number of historians denying Jesus existence. I hardly follow the evolution vs creationism debate but it wouldn't be hard to find biologists who deny darwinism. Where in the case of mythiscim all you will find is Carrier and Price, perhaps another one or two more. The answer to the above will address this. The title is misleading regardless of whether we know the specifics, mythicism does have virtually no support by scholars. And it's not "growing" among scholars as the op says ( wat a lie), it's growing among layman atheists. |
Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by 4kings: 7:42am On Jul 30, 2017 |
Richirich713: You didnt answer the questions. Who is a scholar: a learned or erudite person, especially one who has profound knowledge of a particular subject. With this definition how is it possible for you to say that only 2 "scholar " denies Jesus existence on earth? This is applies to the scientists also because i can tell you that if you check researchgate or google scholars for any peer reviewed journal against evolution in the past five years, you would see NONE, but you would find many talking about an aspect of evolution. But i cant be unreasonable enough to draw conclusion with this that therefore no biologist disputes this(even if i doubt the number is that significant). Also note that christian blogs that bring outdated arguments concerning evolution does not make them count as biologists(or even one that have profound knowledge about it). Surely you would review this statement with the points above. Anyway, do you have a profound fact for Jesus existence that makes you so sure? |
Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by Richirich713: 12:12pm On Jul 30, 2017 |
4kings: Already answered, it's a historian with a relevant degree, for instance a Richard Carrier has a PhD in ancient history. Someone like G. A. Wells has no such qualification, so doesn't deserve to be called scholar when it comes to ancient history. With this definition how is it possible for you to say that only 2 "scholar " denies Jesus existence on earth? Not two, approximately two. I know for certain that price and carrier are scholars, very odd but nevertheless they are qualified. There might be a few out there I haven't heard about. Seven is the highest claim I have seen (see pic, Im still looking for the blog post wer I got that image, for references). This is applies to the scientists also because i can tell you that if you check researchgate or google scholars for any peer reviewed journal against evolution in the past five years, you would see NONE, but you would find many talking about an aspect of evolution. While that's quite different, to be a qualified biologist only requires a degree, not published articles in secular peer reviewed journals in the last five years. Take for instance Dr. Nathaniel T. Jeanson , has a PhD from Harvard University in Cell and Developmental Biology, he rejects darwinism and has published peer-reviewed papers in secular journals in his field. Were those papers anti-darwinism, I don't know, but he is qualified.
Do u think that number is as low as the mythicists? Also note that christian blogs that bring outdated arguments concerning evolution does not make them count as biologists(or even one that have profound knowledge about it). Same as atheist bloggers who bring outdated arguments against Jesus existence don't count as historians or even have profound knowledge on the subject. They usually just recently watch zeitgeist Surely you would review this statement with the points above. As I said the specifics is irreverent, it is a fact that mythicism has almost no support by scholars. Even the mythicists will acknowledge that, whether there are 2,3 or 4 scholars I wouldn't say is a fact but I see reasons to believe there are very few. This is what makes the title and op misleading. I can guarantee the op won't be able to name the "growing number" scholars he is referring to cuz they don't exist, mythicism is not growing among scholars, it has has been a fringe theory for quite some time and still is. What would you think if someone titled a thread "Reasons Why Scientists Know Evolution is False" and the first sentence of the op was "A growing number of scientists are openly questioning or actively arguing against evolution."? Or better yet reasons why scientists know earth is flat. I'm thinking of opening a thread like that. Anyway, do you have a profound fact for Jesus existence that makes you so sure? He has multiple attestation in early sources, historians Josephus and Tacitus also confirm his existence. This among other things has made me and virtually all experts on this subject certain he exists, in fact his crucifixion is one of the most certain historical facts of the ancient world. 3 Likes
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Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by 4kings: 5:32pm On Aug 03, 2017 |
Richirich713:With this explanation @bolded, people like Herodotus, Eusebius, Moses, even Henry Adams and co are disquaified as ''Scholars'', right? But atleast you would agree with me that there are historians nonetheless Anyways, let's scratch the ''scholars'' part, most catholic seminarians are taught history and philosophy and given degree, so there will also qualify for the title ''scholar'' with your definition. According to your definition, this is alright. While that's quite different, to be a qualified biologist only requires a degree, not published articles in secular peer reviewed journals in the last five years. Take for instance Dr. Nathaniel T. Jeanson , has a PhD from Harvard University in Cell and Developmental Biology, he rejects darwinism and has published peer-reviewed papers in secular journals in his field. Were those papers anti-darwinism, I don't know, but he is qualified.This guy is a wonder. He has multiple attestation in early sources, historians Josephus and Tacitus also confirm his existence. This among other things has made me and virtually all experts on this subject certain he exists, in fact his crucifixion is one of the most certain historical facts of the ancient world.Now Josephus and Tacitus are historians and not scholars. Define historian, if it's a person that studies(and write about) history, then there are many of them and possibly the source of the OP is also a historian. Though on different level of knowledge. Can you also be clear on this ''multiple attestation in early sources''. And stop joking around with Josephus and Tacitus. |
Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by STUPUDTHEISTS: 7:14pm On Aug 03, 2017 |
As an atheist, I find it repulsive seeing some skeptics denying Jeebus historicity. Denying and rejecting evidence is the theists' trait. It's true the Bible contains some legendary embellishment. But there was a small man behind the story. You said growing scholars know Jesus didn't exist? You're starting to sound like our moronic theists. The general consensus in the scholarly circle is 'Jesus was an historical figure.' The only guys that make silly arguments against Jesus' historicity are few mythicists with little credential. You quoted Bart Ehrman, it might interest you to know the same Bart admitted that the evidence for Jesus' historicity outweighs that of Pontius Pilate. The criteria used by Richard Carrier and his fellow mythicists like Robert Price will render any historical figure of antiquity nonexistent. I should also add there are authentic independent mention of Jesus. Please let's stop making threads like this. Jesus existence proves nothing. He was a deeply flawed ignorant runty guy. There are many ways to show the fraudulent nature of Christianity other than spreading falsehoods. Cheers |
Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by sonmvayina(m): 10:04pm On Aug 03, 2017 |
I know Jesus never existed because his mother Mary is lucifer....it is just a mythological story.. |
Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by ScienceWatch: 2:15pm On Oct 07, 2017 |
4kings:Most people will never move to find answers themselves. They prefer to burden others with their slothfulness disguised as seekers wanting free "profound facts". Great spiritual truths has never fallen into any ones lap. That is why a renowned Professor got off his backside and spent millions of Niara to investigate if the Gospels be true. Professor Ouweneel holds doctorates in biology (Utrecht), philosophy (Amsterdam) and theology (Bloemfontein, RSA). Professor Ouweneel is a theology and philosophy professor at several colleges and theological faculties. He is the author of over 100 books. He lives in the Netherlands, where he was born. Here is an extract from Professor Ouweneel’s experience at the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria ; He says, "My daughter went there several times and was healed, and she gave me the message that T.B. Joshua was interested in seeing me, although she had not told him anything about me. So I went there twice, once for five days, and once for ten days , and I hope to go there again. Professor Ouweneel says,”I was very much impressed by what I saw, heard and experienced there. Not only in seeing the miracles that happened and the sermons that were given, but particularly the spiritual experience in my own soul when I was there. That is something that everyone who doesn't go there in person will miss." “I am satisfied as to the integrity of T.B. Joshua's ministry says Professor Ouweneel. I have no doubt about that. I asked him some difficult questions just to find out for myself about his personal honesty, and I have been satisfied as to that. Also I believe him to be thoroughly sound on all the basic doctrines of Christianity." After Prof. Ouweneel wrote and published his book on the truth about SCOAN church Nigeria he was viciously attacked and mocked by his peers. He certainly never saw that coming. 1 Like |
Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by hopefulLandlord: 7:30pm On Jan 26, 2018 |
STUPUDTHEISTS:The "Scholarly consensus" is actually misrepresented in a severe way! Scholars are at best saying "there was an itinerant apocalyptic preacher wandering around ancient Palestine who didn't perform any of the miracles of the Biblical Jesus, and who probably didn't say most of the things the Biblical Jesus said (if he said any of them at all)." Basically it boils down to the level one reduces "Jesus" to from the "Jesus" of the BuyBull It's like saying Superman was actually Clark Kent, who was an ordinary, mild-mannered reporter, so therefore must have been a real person. Because such people have existed and do exist. If I were alive in 30-70AD I could easily write a story of a miracle-working preacher without the need to base it on an existing person, because such apocalyptic preachers were ten-a-penny. You could just take a detail or two from each one. |
Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by Originakalokalo(m): 7:47pm On Jan 26, 2018 |
JESUS Christ never existed. History books have his name everywhere. He never existed, yet the Jews did not believe him. Till today, they say that he is just a son of the carpenter. Falsehood..... My submission is this, JESUS IS LORD. Nairaland is like the temptation of the devil. It comes, you overcome and it leaves you alone. Then after a while, it comes back again. and the cycle continues until you EVENTUALLY FALL. Topics that blaspheme Jesus and the Father come now and then. You repel with explanations, They go away. And another brings it up, in another way, And the cycle continues. Read your Bible Children of God. Feed on the word of God, and all his gimmicks will be nothing to you To the children of God on this platform, Pls pray Always, especially those of you who preach or teach men to repent on this platform. I have a message for these category of people in a new thread I will open shortly. 1 Like |
Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by hopefulLandlord: 7:57pm On Jan 26, 2018 |
Originakalokalo:Could you give 1 (one) single contemporary account of the life of Jesus? |
Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by Originakalokalo(m): 8:33pm On Jan 26, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: Josephus. A Jewish historian. Roman's history books. The Quran. Written 600 years after JESUS'death. The Bible itself. Among others. Jesus never existed? Think again. I have seen him before. I have done things in his name. The Jewish refused to believe who never existed? Lol. 1 Like |
Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by hopefulLandlord: 8:43pm On Jan 26, 2018 |
Originakalokalo: Oh, this is sad; did you read my post very well or you just ignored a vital part of it? read it again and tell me how this reply of yours relate to it |
Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by Originakalokalo(m): 8:50pm On Jan 26, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: I am done with you. Repent and be converted. |
Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by hopefulLandlord: 8:54pm On Jan 26, 2018 |
Originakalokalo:the word you seemed to have missed is 'contemporary' - “living or occurring in the same period of time”. |
Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by Omudia11: 6:28am On Jan 27, 2018 |
This is a very mediocre topic and not one to even ponder about at all. The person of Jesus Christ is part and parcel of Jewish and Israeli history. The Jews may just see him as a regular prophet but they have never for once denied his existence. He is of the house of David. Saying Jesus never existed is like saying Abraham, Isaac, Joseph and all the other biblical figures were fictional and that would be very laughable. To the Jews Judaism is not just a religion but also a part of their cultural heritage. Their entire existence revolves around those biblical figures of which Jesus Christ is the most famous. So saying things like this is very laughable. 4kings: |
Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by Omudia11: 6:38am On Jan 27, 2018 |
The entire Jewish history The bible The Qur'an (written 600 years later) Over 40 (cant remember the actual number) witnesses who saw him at the resurrection. Historians Scholars Theologians But No, let's believe a frustrated keyboard warrior with zero credibility. Even his fellow atheist in delusion just called his bluff |
Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by hopefulLandlord: 6:44am On Jan 27, 2018 |
Omudia11: 1. Jewish History? you've got to be kidding me, can you cite your sources? 2. Quran (written 600 years later), Nuff said 3. Over 40? Nah, 1 single person said 500 people saw him 4. Historians? You'd do good by citing those historians and let me show you how unreliable their accounts are 5. Scholars? same as above 6. Theologians, Seems legit Would you help originalkalokalo out by mentioning just a single contemporary account of Jesus? NB: We atheists welcome challenges and disagreements even from ourselves as we don't have a "Holy atheist spirit" that reveals truth to us BUT you Christians claim there's an invisible spirit that communicates with all Christians and reveals truth to you but all we see are disagreements between you lots 1 Like |
Re: Reasons Scholars Know Jesus Christ Never Existed by Omudia11: 7:56am On Jan 27, 2018 |
All these essays amount to What? Proof? Hahahaha Note: There is no Jew or Gentile who denies the existence of Jesus Christ. Not even one. There's a video of jews on YouTube being asked about Christ and 100% of them acknowledged his prophethood because the person of Jesus Christ is deeply embedded in their history. Yes Qur'an 100% supports this. Along with historians, Theologians and people who actually matter. Your opinion = invalid hopefulLandlord: 1 Like |
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