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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 9:44pm On Aug 14, 2016
P-120 Malakhit
SS-N-9 Siren

Type Anti-ship missile
Diameter 0.76 m body, 2.1 m wingspan
Length 8.84 m
Weight 2.953 kg
Guidance Inertial first phase, mid course corrections, dual mode homing with L-band active radar seeker and infrared seeker
Warhead 500 kg HE or 200 kT nuclear
Propulsion Single-stage solid propellant rocket motor
Speed Mach 0.9
Range 70 km (submarine launch)
110 km (surface vessel launch)
Altitude -
Engagement envelope - 200 m flight altitude, 40 m terminal altitude
The P-120 is an anti-ship missile of Soviet origin. It was developed in the 1960's as a replacement for the P-5 Pityorka (SS-N-3 Shaddock) missile. The design is based on the P-70 Ametist (SS-N-7 Starbright). Unlike the P-70 the P-120 can be launched from both surface vessels and submarines, making it a multi-purpose missile.

The P-120 is based on the design of the P-70 and has a similar layout. The P-120 differs in being longer and larger to carry more fuel in order to reach the desired maximum range of at least 100 km. The radar seeker is mounted in the nose and a infrared seeker is mounted in a ventral pod. The main wings are folded within the launch container. One booster engine on each side provides initial velocity upon launch. They are discarded when depleted. At that moment the solid fuel engine takes over.

The P-120 is fed with target information via the ship's radar or sonar. The first stage of the flight inertial navigation is used. The nose of the missile houses an active radar seeker. Below the missile a ventral pod is located that houses an infrared seeker. The P-120 relies on the combined sensor input to distinct the target amongst counter measures.

The P-120 is fitted with either a 500 kg HE warhead or a 200 kT nuclear warhead, with the latter being the least common version. The maximum range is 110 km when launched from a surface vessel of 70 km when launched from a submerged submarine. Maximum ranges of 120 km and 150 km are quoted but are deemed incorrect. The flight speed is around Mach 0.9 and the flight altitude is about 200 meters above sea level.

The P-120 became operational in 1972 on the Project 1234 Ovod (Nanuchka I) class corvettes. Later, the improved Project 1234.1 (Nanuchka III) was also fitted the P-120. In 1977 the P-120 became operational with the Project 670M Skat-M (Charlie II) submarine, of which 6 were built. The usual mix being 6 conventional warheads and two nuclear ones. The P-120 was also used on the experimental Project 1240 Uragan (Sarancha) class missile boat, of which only a single unit was built.

The P-120 missile was only used by the USSR and was not exported. After the collapse of the USSR all P-120 remain in Russian navy service. With the retirement of all Charlie II class submarines the P-120 only remains on use on the Nanuchka III corvettes. It is reported that a P-120 missile was succesfully used against a Georgian vessel during the 2008 conflict.

Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Odunayaw(m): 12:06am On Aug 15, 2016
nemesis2u:


dont mess with me ever grin
cute
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by chinese8107: 6:49am On Aug 15, 2016
chinese8107:

Y-7 variant bomber /gunship trainer HYJ-7

Y-7 is a 5 -10 tons payload cargo plane

it's gunship variant HYJ-7 can carry scouting/ FLIR pod / bombs/missles, canon or troops /cargo.landing or taking off from unpaved road.this plane is used to train bomber or tranport plane pilots by PLA

max taking off weight:24 tons
empty weight :13.7tons.
max range:1200km
service celling:8500 m
PAYLOAD:5 -10 tons
speed: 420-500 km/hour


@Odunayaw @MikeCZA
@frumentius
this is more fit for an unconventional war for it's low cost long air endurance,and multi-function .
however it's vunlable if rebels have latest MANPADS,even a Mi-35 /Mi-8 is vulnable in syria,and they were believed to have some counter measures.
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Sparrow13: 9:43am On Aug 15, 2016
what do you see

Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by ValerianSteel(m): 10:05am On Aug 15, 2016
MikeCZA:
Explain please.
Israel has the most active air fighting force in the world,developed to counter new threats as they develop.The S-300 has been called the gold standard ADS by Russia and militaries currently possessing them,Israel has called the bluff on this one,Egypt operates a variant of it in the Gaza Strip which Israel can now easily identify and track from the air with the overhauled and modified F-15s.

The S-400 is even more useless when faced with the F-35,it operates a radar range of 400km as compared to the F-35's 2060km.Worthy of note is the masking technology incorporated into every Israeli jets.Israel has successfully overhauled fighters like the F15 and F16's to outperform the ones flown by American counterparts.Incorporation of Israeli systems on these jets have seen successes in bombing missions such as the raids on Sadam Hussein's nuclear reactors and precision guided raids against terrorist locations which have gone smoothly evading enemy radar.

The S-400 batteries Russia positioned in Syria cannot match the strength and effectiveness of Israel's F-35,the ADS would be rendered useless by a fighter that can sniff it's location from over 1000km always.
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by chinese8107: 2:04pm On Aug 15, 2016
LCAC
US made hovercraft speed 40-70 knot payload 60-70 tons

Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by chinese8107: 2:16pm On Aug 15, 2016


[img]http://s9.rr.itc.cn/r/wapChange/20155_1_9/a9dxxw3265974027305.JPEG[/img]
China made
Type 726 LCAC (yuyi-class hovercraft)
a little faster max speed above 70 knots, payload 60 tons but less space.
pic: 1.2

or smaller mini size
pic 3.4

Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by MikeCZA: 4:54pm On Aug 15, 2016
ValerianSteel:
Israel has the most active air fighting force in the world,developed to counter new threats as they develop.The S-300 has been called the gold standard ADS by Russia and militaries currently possessing them,Israel has called the bluff on this one,Egypt operates a variant of it in the Gaza Strip which Israel can now easily identify and track from the air with the overhauled and modified F-15s.

The S-400 is even more useless when faced with the F-35,it operates a radar range of 400km as compared to the F-35's 2060km.Worthy of note is the masking technology incorporated into every Israeli jets.Israel has successfully overhauled fighters like the F15 and F16's to outperform the ones flown by American counterparts.Incorporation of Israeli systems on these jets have seen successes in bombing missions such as the raids on Sadam Hussein's nuclear reactors and precision guided raids against terrorist locations which have gone smoothly evading enemy radar.

The S-400 batteries Russia positioned in Syria cannot match the strength and effectiveness of Israel's F-35,the ADS would be rendered useless by a fighter that can sniff it's location from over 1000km always.
All I'm seeing here is your opinion.

Provide facts with citations.

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by chinese8107: 5:23pm On Aug 15, 2016

Ukraine made hovercraft for Greece and China Zubr-class LCAC
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by tdayof(m): 6:02pm On Aug 15, 2016
ValerianSteel:
Israel has the most active air fighting force in the world,developed to counter new threats as they develop.The S-300 has been called the gold standard ADS by Russia and militaries currently possessing them,Israel has called the bluff on this one,Egypt operates a variant of it in the Gaza Strip which Israel can now easily identify and track from the air with the overhauled and modified F-15s.

The S-400 is even more useless when faced with the F-35,it operates a radar range of 400km as compared to the F-35's 2060km.Worthy of note is the masking technology incorporated into every Israeli jets.Israel has successfully overhauled fighters like the F15 and F16's to outperform the ones flown by American counterparts.Incorporation of Israeli systems on these jets have seen successes in bombing missions such as the raids on Sadam Hussein's nuclear reactors and precision guided raids against terrorist locations which have gone smoothly evading enemy radar.

The S-400 batteries Russia positioned in Syria cannot match the strength and effectiveness of Israel's F-35,the ADS would be rendered useless by a fighter that can sniff it's location from over 1000km always.
sorry no the F35 cannot sniff the s400 at 1000km. F35 operational range may be 2000km + and not its radar system range.
Remember the S400 incorporates radars that are capable of seeing f35. The f35 will definitely be seen. It can't hide away from all bands as it's not designed to do so not even the F22.
Remember S400 is a shoot and scoot. Moreover it's fire control radar won't be turned on always except during engagement.
The F35 cannot withstand operating in the 400km range of the s400. For the s400 to be weakened, growler and JSTARS need to do alot of jamming and believe me S400 isn't something easy that can be jammed . S400 also has the support of krashuka-4 EWS.

The fact remains no one will want to send a fighter jet into an area dominated by S400 , Electronic warfare systems and crazy radars.

Saying f35 will bring down s400 so easily is totally out of it. Moreover do not take me as a Russian supporter or whatever. My posts shows am probably aantirussian on military threads but the S400 is really a beast you do not mess with.

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 8:06pm On Aug 15, 2016
Pic 1 Republic of Korea K2 black panther MBT
Pic 2 ROK k1 MBT
Pic 3 ROK 20th mechanized infantry division

Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by chinese8107: 8:08pm On Aug 15, 2016


China home-made 30MW engine for big battle-ship like aircraft carrier.a 40MW engine is developed succesfully.

For ship-bulding industry,most country buy engine,and it's extramely expensive ,very few country can make engine,and that give competitive advantages.

Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 8:10pm On Aug 15, 2016
Following contracts for MK-31 RAM missiles and SM-3 missiles earlier this week, the U.S. Navy has now awarded American defense company Raytheon a $287.9 million contract for work on the Phalanx Close-In Weapon System (CIWS). Phalanx CIWS is currently installed on Navy and Coast Guard ships, and is also in use in foreign navies. This contract combines purchases for the U.S. Navy and for the governments of Turkey and Australia, under the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program.

Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 9:33pm On Aug 15, 2016
MikeCZA:
All I'm seeing here is your opinion.

Provide facts with citations.

He's an Israeli dude who has had his mind wrecked by many "Putin-bots" right here in the Foreign Affairs section.



His comments are usually emotional tantrums.
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by chinese8107: 10:24pm On Aug 15, 2016
jakeporeshenko:
Pic 1 Republic of Korea K2 black panther MBT
Pic 2 ROK k1 MBT
Pic 3 ROK 20th mechanized infantry division

The funny part is ROK want to export K2 tank and TOT to turkey and other country,to make tank Altay .but the engine and tranmission and main gun rely on Germany,got stucked.

Germany support Kurd, while Turkey is anti-Kurd. Japan used to dicuss some TOT or cooperation with Turkey on tank engine but canceled,fearing of leaking to S.KOREA.

Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by ValerianSteel(m): 12:48am On Aug 16, 2016
tdayof:
sorry no the F35 cannot sniff the s400 at 1000km. F35 operational range may be 2000km + and not it's radar system range.
Remember the S400 incorporates radars that are capable of seeing f35. The f35 will definitely be seen. It can't hide away from all bands as it's not designed to do so not even the F22.
Remember S400 is a shoot and scoot. Moreover it's fire control radar won't be turned on always except during engagement.
The F35 cannot withstand operating in the 400km range of the s400. For the s400 to be weakened, growler and JSTARS need to do alot of jamming and believe me S400 isn't something easy that can be jammed . S400 also has the support of krashuka-4 EWS.

The fact remains no one will want to send a fighter jet into an area dominated by S400 , Electronic warfare systems and crazy radars.

Saying f35 will bring down s400 so easily is totally out of it. Moreover do not take me as a Russian supporter or whatever. My posts know military thread shows am probably antirussian on military threads but the S400 is really a beast you do not mess with.


You are right but you didn't take into account that the IAF doesn't fly the same version of these fighters with other militaries.Israel does a complete overhaul of the onboard systems on every fighter in her fleet which over the years has handed the IAF a very capable and effective fighting air fighting force that has outperformed others.The F-15 runs the APG-63 radar with range of 90km,Israeli F-15's operate at 250km.The F-16 is incorporated with the APG-68 with range of 300km,Israeli F-16's operate at 400-450km.

The F-35 has a radar range of 490km-600km,Israel has already began incorporating Israeli systems on the F-35 which should achieve a tracking range of 600km-1000km.

The S-400 is very capable and currently the gold bearer for most countries with active ADS,however it is disadvantaged when faced with the F-35Adir.It has a radar range of 400km,when the F-35Adir is operational,it won't come down to what has more power of precision and destructive capabilities,it will be summed by which of these two catches the first scent and how fast it respond.Except the F-35 is on a low flying mission would it increase the S-400 chances of obliterating the bird,if the fighter can detect and track the ADS without being in it's radar range,the F-35 has an upper hand.
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by tdayof(m): 6:44am On Aug 16, 2016
ValerianSteel:
You are right but you didn't take into account that the IAF doesn't fly the same version of these fighters with other militaries.Israel does a complete overhaul of the onboard systems on every fighter in her fleet which over the years has handed the IAF a very capable and effective fighting air fighting force that has outperformed others.The F-15 runs the APG-63 radar with range of 90km,Israeli F-15's operate at 250km.The F-16 is incorporated with the APG-68 with range of 300km,Israeli F-16's operate at 400-450km.

The F-35 has a radar range of 490km-600km,Israel has already began incorporating Israeli systems on the F-35 which should achieve a tracking range of 600km-1000km.

The S-400 is very capable and currently the gold bearer for most countries with active ADS,however it is disadvantaged when faced with the F-35Adir.It has a radar range of 400km,when the F-35Adir is operational,it won't come down to what has more power of precision and destructive capabilities,it will be summed by which of these two catches the first scent and how fast it respond.Except the F-35 is on a low flying mission would it increase the S-400 chances of obliterating the bird,if the fighter can detect and track the ADS without being in it's radar range,the F-35 has an upper hand.

Nice write up, however F35 is not much of an electronic warfare aircraft to be able to detect the exact location of s400 EA-18G and Jstars will be the perfect ones for such job which means F35 radar range wont give it any advantage in detecting the s400. S400 fire control radars are not always on except her long range radars and other radars supporting it such as the NEBO which is an anti stealth radar to some extent. F35 will only be able to strike s400 depending on the weapon it is carrying and there is probability the missile will be intercepted by the S400 and f35 loosing its stealth coordinate for sometime giving them chance to launch a missile against it. By my own opinion, the F35 will only be able to clear off the S400 with the help of standoff jamming and s400 uses frequency hopping. Sweep and barrage jamming won't be effective as spot jamming on s400 as jamming energy won't be concentrated among all frequencies.
F35 will need the help of naval force and AWACS to be able to conduct a successful attack on s400 dominated area. However, S400 capability may have been over hyped but we wont know yet.

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 9:40am On Aug 16, 2016
ValerianSteel:
You are right but you didn't take into account that the IAF doesn't fly the same version of these fighters with other militaries.Israel does a complete overhaul of the onboard systems on every fighter in her fleet which over the years has handed the IAF a very capable and effective fighting air fighting force that has outperformed others.The F-15 runs the APG-63 radar with range of 90km,Israeli F-15's operate at 250km.The F-16 is incorporated with the APG-68 with range of 300km,Israeli F-16's operate at 400-450km.

The F-35 has a radar range of 490km-600km,Israel has already began incorporating Israeli systems on the F-35 which should achieve a tracking range of 600km-1000km.

The S-400 is very capable and currently the gold bearer for most countries with active ADS,however it is disadvantaged when faced with the F-35Adir.It has a radar range of 400km,when the F-35Adir is operational,it won't come down to what has more power of precision and destructive capabilities,it will be summed by which of these two catches the first scent and how fast it respond.Except the F-35 is on a low flying mission would it increase the S-400 chances of obliterating the bird,if the fighter can detect and track the ADS without being in it's radar range,the F-35 has an upper hand.


a lot of mistakes but to not talk a lot, when you are talking about range , air air range isn't the same for ground targets , check the ground attack range about the radars you'r talking about an come to compare with s 400 wink

second i dont know from were you get the info about fabulous israeli radar range but israeli F16, F15 use US made radars , and no country can get better or the same version of radars then the US air force ! the israelian F15 get newly the AN/APG-82 (V)1 upgrade two years after the US air force upgrade it's F15E with

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by chinese8107: 1:00pm On Aug 16, 2016
2016 International Army Games
Aviation darts
droping dump bombs and unguided rockets
The JH-7 got runner-up(silver medal).not as bad as I expected, it's rivals are Su34 su30 su25 su24...


In the modern warfare,mostly have less dogfight chance,because of BVR missle. Also in a unconventional war you probably have no enemy to fight an air battle,as most attacks come from the ground.
despite the weaker dogfight manuerbility, JH-7 engaging ground targets at 700km/h speed in the game in order in get out quickly,the is what they were trained ,comparing with russian pilots usually 600km/h speed.
As for rader, it could be the same as J-10.And more armor can be added according to the need.And off course it can fire PGM
@Odunayaw

Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Odunayaw(m): 2:14pm On Aug 16, 2016
chinese8107:
2016 International Army Games
Aviation darts
droping dump bombs and unguided rockets
The JH-7 got runner-up(silver medal).not as bad as I espected, it's rivals are Su34 su30 su25 su24...


In the modern warfare,mostly have less dogfight chance,because of BVR missle.
despite the weaker dogfight manuerbility, JH-7 engaging ground targets at 700km/h speed in the game in order in get out quickly,the is what they were trained ,comparing with russian pilots usually 600km/h speed.
As for rader, it could be the same as J-10.
@Odunayaw
thanks a lot man
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by chinese8107: 5:48pm On Aug 16, 2016

2016.August.16

China launched the world's first quantum communication experimental satellite.
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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by tdayof(m): 10:34am On Aug 17, 2016
The F16 is a great aircraft if you are being shot at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjOewaiCUbg
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 10:35am On Aug 17, 2016
tongue
pic 1 2 airforce version

pic 3 naval version

pic 4 trainer airforce version

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