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The Occurrence Of Jesus In History by iamrockyofficial(m): 9:59am On Jul 24, 2016
For those of us that have been conversant with the history of ancient religions and mythology you will discover that there were some God men that not only shared characteristics of a saviour like Jesus, but they share similar striking stories.. Am talking about the likes of horus

Horus supposedly:
Was conceived by a virgin mother named Meri, and had a stepfather named Seb (Joseph)
Was born in a cave, his birth announced by an angel,
heralded by a star and attended
by shepherds
Attended a special rite of passage at the age of twelve and there is no data on the
child from the age of 12 to 30
Was baptized in a river at the age of 30, and his baptizer was later beheaded
Had 12 disciples, Performed miracles, exercised demons, raised someone from
the dead, walked on water
Was called “Iusa”, the “ever-becoming son” and the “Holy Child”
Delivered a “Sermon on the Mount”, and his followers recounted his sayings
Was transfigured on the Mount
Was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and was resurrected
Called “Way”, “the Truth the Light”, “Messiah”, “God's Anointed Son”, “Son of Man”, “Good Shepherd”, “Lamb of God”, “Word made flesh”, “Word of Truth”, “the KRST” or “Anointed One”
Was “the Fisher” and was associated with the Fish, Lamb and Lion.
Came to fulfill the Law, and was supposed to reign one thousand years.

Same goes to krishna and a host of other's, I need constructive views as to why we have this occurrence .

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Re: The Occurrence Of Jesus In History by iamrockyofficial(m): 10:03am On Jul 24, 2016
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Re: The Occurrence Of Jesus In History by ayodotcom(m): 11:38am On Jul 24, 2016
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Re: The Occurrence Of Jesus In History by Nobody: 12:25pm On Jul 24, 2016
Lies of the highest order. The Horus story has no similarity. The name of Horus' mother is Isis and she actually gave birth to him through after intercourse with a half-living Osiris.

Besides Mary is an english name and it's proper Aramaic version is Maryam which is Hellenized to Maria and also maintains the Hellenized form in its Latinized form. Then from the Latinized form, Mary was gotten. The name you gave was made up and cannot even be found in Egyptian language. Isis was not even a virgin when she birthed Horus, infact, he was a result of the intercourse between a half-dead Osiris and Isis.
Horus was born partly distorted due to his father being a zombie-like person when he planted his seed in Isis.

Horus had only one friend and not 12 followers. There is even no mention of Seb in the Horus story. His uncle Seth was his antagonist.

The other scenes associated with Jesus that you have tagged with the Horus story is a failed attempt to reconcile Horus and Jesus. Infact Horus was never baptised and never died on a pole. He only lost his eye while battling his uncle Seth over the death of his father Osiris whom Seth killed. Horus emerged victorious and his eye became a talisman for Egyptians.

Krishna on the other hand, already had siblings before he was born, so being born of a virgin does not fit his story. Horus never died on a pole but was shot in his leg with an arrow by a careless hunter. The other scenes do not fit. Krishna had female lovers known as the Gopi milk maids and not 12 followers. So, research more before talking mnemosynes. Cc malvisguy212 Scholar8200 analice107 KingEbukaNaija et all

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Re: The Occurrence Of Jesus In History by Buhari4dullard: 12:41pm On Jul 24, 2016
Apart from Jesus, the rest are imaginary idols profitable for nothing grin

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Re: The Occurrence Of Jesus In History by plaetton: 2:44pm On Jul 24, 2016
[quote author=lordnicklaus post=47841094]
Besides Mary is an english name and it's proper Aramaic version is Maryam which is Hellenized to Maria and also maintains the Hellenized form in its Latinized form. Then from the Latinized form, Mary was gotten. The name you gave was made up and cannot even be found in Egyptian language. /quote]

What rubbish is this ? shocked

History upside down?

Mary is an English name
Wtf ?

What is the difference between Meri and Mary?

Isis was the original Meri ( the beloved). She carried the sacred seed in the Egyptian matrilineal hereditary system.
In ancient Egypt, the prince must marry a Meri, usually his stepsister or female relative who carries the Pharaohnic mitochondrial DNA. This DNA is passed from mother to daughter unchanged through infinite generations.
Therefore, the Egyptians understood that the true royal Pharaohnic seed resided and protected by the female daughters of the Meri( the sacred one).
So, Meri was a title, not a name.

Just like the male pharaohs, the Meri also attached her title to the patron god of the ruling Pharaoh.
So, we find Meri-Kiba, Meri-Aten and of course, the most widely known, Meri- Ammon, from whence we get MeriAm.

So, in case you didn't know, Mariam is just an abbreviation of Meri-Ammon, beloved of Ammon or Ammen ( I am sure you remember Ammen from your Lord's prayer ) wink

The ancient Hebrews, who borrowed almost their entire religious culture from Egypt, kept this tradition by maintaining a sacred bloodline of Meri's. A prince had to marry a Meri to become a legitimate King.
We see this played out in the biblical story of Joseph marrying a Meri to produce an heir to the throne of Israel. We see the same theme in the story of Meri-Magdaline or More correctly, Meri of Magdala( the sacred virgin of Magdala) anointing the feet of Jesus ( crown prince of Israel) with sacred perfume in a sacred marriage ritual.

Meri was Latinized to Maria and latter anglicized to Mary.

Meri was the original title of sacred royal women that goes all the back to the first Meri, mother Isis, the beloved one.

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Re: The Occurrence Of Jesus In History by Niflheim(m): 2:52pm On Jul 24, 2016
@iamrockyofficial,

Do you know what is referred to as "recurring literary themes"? In literature and various types of fan-fiction, the hero is always in immediate danger from the monemt of birth!!! Check out Zeus, whose father wanted to eat him the moment he was given hirth to!!! What about Hercules, that 2 snakes were sent to strangle him in the cradle!!! This is why you see popular fictions end up becoming religions, like the Star Wars Religion and the Pokemon Religion!!!

I would advice you to go and read "The Secret Teachings of All Ages" by Manly P.Hall. The book revealed that one of the titles of Zeus was 'The Rock of All Ages'!!!
Re: The Occurrence Of Jesus In History by Nobody: 4:31pm On Jul 24, 2016
[quote author=plaetton post=47844715][/quote]

Your history is totally wrong. Mary is actually the Anglo-Graecian variant of the Aramaic "Maryam" which is a term meaning "rebellion". The Meri-Amon you quoted is actually a compound word while "Maryam" is a single word. Amon is actually an Egyptian god who was sometimes associated with Ra and a variant of his name was Amen which is totally different from "Amen" which is a Chaldo-Hebraic term denoting "certainty." It is worth knowing that the Yoruba word "ino" which means "light" means "thief" in my native language and thus you can't be too presumptuous so as to claim that the word in my native language is actually stolen from the Yoruba version. It is clear that you have faulted in your claims. There are quite a number of similarities in phonology between different languages for example, the Yoruba word "oko" which means "husband" means "rashes" in Ibo.


You know the most annoying part of the incoherent jargon you posted? You said "Meri" was Latinized to Maria. Lie!! Before you embarass yourself and prove yourself lagged of the so-called smartness and ingenuity you claim to possess as an atheist, gain proper knowledge of Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek and Latin. Mary of the bible, in Aramaic texts of the Gospels is Maryam and in the Hebrew text, Miryam.

Of course, Pharaohs had prefixes derived from names of gods attached to their names for example, Seti-Keba, Abu Simbel, Akhenaten, this I know but to say that bible text language was dependent of such is an outrageous claim from insipid facts.........

CC KingEbukaNaija Winner01 naijadeyhia malvisguy212 Scholar8200

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Re: The Occurrence Of Jesus In History by winner01(m): 4:46pm On Jul 24, 2016
Re: The Occurrence Of Jesus In History by plaetton: 5:18pm On Jul 24, 2016
lordnicklaus:


Your history is totally wrong. Mary is actually the Anglo-Graecian variant of the Aramaic "Maryam" which is a term meaning "rebellion". The Meri-Amon you quoted is actually a compound word while "Maryam" is a single word. Amon is actually an Egyptian god who was sometimes associated with Ra and a variant of his name was Amen which is totally different from "Amen" which is a Chaldo-Hebraic term denoting "certainty." It is worth knowing that the Yoruba word "ino" which means "light" means "thief" in my native language and thus you can't be too presumptuous so as to claim that the word in my native language is actually stolen from the Yoruba version. It is clear that you have faulted in your claims. There are quite a number of similarities in phonology between different languages for example, the Yoruba word "oko" which means "husband" means "rashes" in Ibo.


You know the most annoying part of the incoherent jargon you posted? You said "Meri" was Latinized to Maria. Lie!! Before you embarass yourself and prove yourself lagged of the so-called smartness and ingenuity you claim to possess as an atheist, gain proper knowledge of Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek and Latin. Mary of the bible, in Aramaic texts of the Gospels is Maryam and in the Hebrew text, Miryam.

Of course, Pharaohs had prefixes derived from names of gods attached to their names for example, Seti-Keba, Abu Simbel, Akhenaten, this I know but to say that bible text language was dependent of such is an outrageous claim from insipid facts.........

CC KingEbukaNaija Winner01 naijadeyhia malvisguy212 Scholar8200

You keep tipping history upside down. Mariam, Miriam, Mary ,whether Greco-Roman , Aramaic or hebrew,,..these are all the phonetic variations of the ancient Egyptian Meri, the original title of Isis.

In case you're ignorant of this, let me inform you that that Ancient Egypt preceded the the Greco-Roman cultures, Aramiac, Latin and Hebrew languages and cultures by thousands of years, even perhaps tens of thousands.

Almost every part of ancient Hebrew religious culture came from Egypt, especially royal hereditary and religious culture and rituals. Same as the nomenclatures.
Meri, anglicized as Mary, Latinized as Maria , Miriam in the Arabic cultures, etc, is a cultural/ religious nomenclature denoting and tracking of the Royal female bloodlines going all the way to ancient Egypt.

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Re: The Occurrence Of Jesus In History by malvisguy212: 6:33pm On Jul 24, 2016
iamrockyofficial:
For those of us that have been conversant with the history of ancient religions and mythology you will discover that there were some God men that not only shared characteristics of a saviour like Jesus, but they share similar striking stories.. Am talking about the likes of horus

Horus supposedly:
Was conceived by a virgin mother named Meri, and had a stepfather named Seb (Joseph)
Was born in a cave, his birth announced by an angel,
heralded by a star and attended
by shepherds
Attended a special rite of passage at the age of twelve and there is no data on the
child from the age of 12 to 30
Was baptized in a river at the age of 30, and his baptizer was later beheaded
Had 12 disciples, Performed miracles, exercised demons, raised someone from
the dead, walked on water
Was called “Iusa”, the “ever-becoming son” and the “Holy Child”
Delivered a “Sermon on the Mount”, and his followers recounted his sayings
Was transfigured on the Mount
Was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and was resurrected
Called “Way”, “the Truth the Light”, “Messiah”, “God's Anointed Son”, “Son of Man”, “Good Shepherd”, “Lamb of God”, “Word made flesh”, “Word of Truth”, “the KRST” or “Anointed One”
Was “the Fisher” and was associated with the Fish, Lamb and Lion.
Came to fulfill the Law, and was supposed to reign one thousand years.

Same goes to krishna and a host of other's, I need constructive views as to why we have this occurrence .
this is the lies they want you to believe, horus was NOT born of a virgin.
Horus’s mother is Isis. Isis was married to Osiris. We do not know for what length of time, but presumably the marriage was consummated. Whether it was or wasn’t doesn’t matter though.
After Osiris is killed, Isis puts him back together
again (he was hacked into 14 pieces) except for his penis which was tossed in a river or a lake. Iris fashions a substitute penis for him and horus mother, isis had sexual intercourse with him, and here comes Horus. There is nothing virginal about that.

Another lie you told, mari the mother of horus ? Were did you get that from ? Horus mother is isis and not mari.

Horus birth was announce by an angel ? Provide evidence please. You said horus perform miracle by risen the death, did horus bring osiri back to life ? he avenge osiri death but did not bring him back to life because he couldn't do it.

Horus had 12 disciples ? Their names please. Horus had 16 followers and not 12. Go and do more research, horus did NOT transfigure or had sermon on the mount.
Re: The Occurrence Of Jesus In History by Nobody: 7:36pm On Jul 24, 2016
plaetton:


You keep tipping history upside down. Mariam, Miriam, Mary ,whether Greco-Roman , Aramaic or hebrew,,..these are all the phonetic variations of the ancient Egyptian Meri, the original title of Isis.

In case you're ignorant of this, let me inform you that that Ancient Egypt preceded the the Greco-Roman cultures, Aramiac, Latin and Hebrew languages and cultures by thousands of years, even perhaps tens of thousands.

Almost every part of ancient Hebrew religious culture came from Egypt, especially royal hereditary and religious culture and rituals. Same as the nomenclatures.
Meri, anglicized as Mary, Latinized as Maria , Miriam in the Arabic cultures, etc, is a cultural/ religious nomenclature denoting and tracking of the Royal female bloodlines going all the way to ancient Egypt.
Lols! Another blunder! What then can you say of the Sumerian culture which predates the Egyptian? If the listed names were actually phonetic variations of Meri, then they should have the same meaning. Besides linguistic similarities doesn't mean descent. The Hebrew, Aramaic, Akkadian and Arabic are cognates but people who speak them do not practise the same religion neither are each religion dependent of the other. I have read the Horus story and there is no link with the Jesus story. How did Meri and Mary become the same? It's just like saying Kannada and Canada are the same.
Re: The Occurrence Of Jesus In History by plaetton: 7:53pm On Jul 24, 2016
lordnicklaus:

How did Meri and Mary become the same? It's just like saying Kannada and Canada are the same.

Lol .
Kannada and Canada are the same.

In French, it's Kanada.

In Native Iroquois language, it was called Kanata.

Now tell me, phonetically, what are the differences between Canada, Kannada, Kanada and Kanata ?

Etymology is the one the most accurate means of tracing cultures, migration and history.

The Bible offers us ample evidence that for the ancient Israelites, all roads lead to Egypt.
Re: The Occurrence Of Jesus In History by otemanuduno: 7:56pm On Jul 24, 2016
Buhari4dullard:
Apart from Jesus, the rest are imaginary idols profitable for nothing grin

Jesus is 70% imagination of Eusebius
Re: The Occurrence Of Jesus In History by Nobody: 8:50pm On Jul 24, 2016
plaetton:


Lol .
Kannada and Canada are the same.

In French, it's Kanada.

In Native Iroquois language, it was called Kanata.

Now tell me, phonetically, what are the differences between Canada, Kannada, Kanada and Kanata ?

Etymology is the one the most accurate means of tracing cultures, migration and history.

The Bible offers us ample evidence that for the ancient Israelites, all roads lead to Egypt.


Funny enough, the Kannada I was refering to is an Asian language. I am quite happy you noted similarities in other languages and that doesn't necessarily mean descent.
Now, the Op commited a blunder when he said Horus was called Iusa. I have pondered on that word trying to grasp whether it is an exclamation or a name and I must say, the word is not fit to be in the list of dumb words of the year let alone being classified as a word said by a genius. The op probably tried to reconcile Iusa with either Yeshua or Iesus. You see, your type make assertions hoping to be right and try to scrutinize bible text as plagiarism which is actually non-factual and betrays the ingenuity of the ones making such claims. I will consider your post as scriptum est per accidens cause you have quite faulted. Not trying to showoff here but your history is quite hazy. Horus and Jesus have no relation whatsoever and Isis was never recorded as Meri in any Egyptian text. All claims to reconcile Jesus and Horus are falsified by those who have no perfect understanding of language or ancient texts. Horus was said to have been baptised by Anup who was actually Anubis the embalming god and not a baptiser. Horus died from a scorpion sting but was revived by Isis through the help of Thoth the healer, no mention of an execution pole. And titles given to Jesus were never given to Horus.

So, bros try knocking what you have left of your brain harder.

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