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Quran Or The Bible, Which Condones Taqiyya(deception) by alfarouq(m): 9:31am On Aug 06, 2016
some christians are in the habit of accusing muslims of Taqiyya. when they make an accusation against islam an d a muslim clarifiesm there next line of defence is to accuse the muslim of practising taqiyya.
i must confess that for a long time i dont even know about the word until some christians accuse me of it whenevr i engage them in debate which made me to find out what it actually means, the irony of it is that these christians can not refer to a single verse in the islamic book of authority that encourages or to a lesser extent condones it while same cant be said of the Bible. below are evidences that the bible condones taqiyya.

Quite a number of the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) wish they could Turn you (people) back to infidelity after ye have believed, from selfish envy, after the Truth hath become Manifest unto them: But forgive and overlook, Till Allah brings about His command; for Allah Hath power over all things. (Qur'an Surah Al-Baqarah 2:109)

In the annals of religious history, Paul happens to be a surprise. Why?, he is the only figure to admit to lying and strangely enough, justifying it as well. When the prophets clearly condemned this evil habit, Paul glorified it, and put a new meaning to the ends will justify the means.
During the ministry of Jesus, Saul (Paul) was a dedicated member of a powerful, exclusive Jewish sect called Pharisees (ACTS 26:5). Their pretensions to sanctity had labelled them as hypocrites. When these overbearing vainglorious Jews confronted Jesus, he called them:

"You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."
John 8:44

Saul, a zealous persecutor of the devoted disciples of Christ, became the first Christian missionary and an Apostle to the Gentiles after converting himself to Christianity by a "vision", which he claims he had, while on the road to Damascus. The missionary changed his name from Saul to Paul and became the biggest contributor to the Books of the New Testament. From the above verse, Jesus like many of his predecessors condemned lying, deceit and hypocrisy. Lying is condemned several times throughout the Bible, and deceit by its own nature, is sinful and can only lead to hazardous consequences. What does Peter say in regards to guile (which means cunning, deceit, trickery, treachery)

For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that speak no guile
1 PETER 3:12

The verse speaks for itself. One of the factors that hinder mans success in this world and eternal life in the hereafter, is the use of guile. But on his own admittance, what does Paul say?:

But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless being crafty, I CAUGHT YOU WITH GUILE
2 CORINTHIANS 12:16

On his own admission, Paul is saying that he uses deception in his modus operandi. In all the new versions of the Bible, the more common term of deceit is replaced instead. This statement is made long after his conversion to Christianity, in the phase when he supposed to be blessed and righteous, and most importantly of all, being guided by Christ.

For our exhortation [was] not of deceit, nor of uncleanness, nor in guile:
1 Thessalonians 2:3

Paul now speaks with two tongues, guile he can

But what I do, that will I do, that I may cut off occasion from those which desire occasion;...
2 CORINTHIANS 11:13

In the New Revised Standard Version, the verse reads in order to deny an opportunity to those who want an opportunity to be recognized as our equals.. He can't be any clearer or succinct, If any other Christian group tries to rival Pauls mission, he will seek to utilise means of destroying any opportunity that may arise for his opponents. This goes completely against the morals from what we know of Jesus and the Prophets of age. If Paul believed he had the truth, there would be no need to play games and power struggles, as the truth will always prevail in the end. The use of deceit and craftiness is the mark of the insecure and paranoid, not so certain that his own faith is correct, he had more hope in his will and ways prevailing, rather than the truth of the message of Christ.

For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more
And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them under the Law, that I might gain them that are under the Law;
To them that are without the law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ) that I might gain them that are under the law.
To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
I CORINTHIANS 9:19-22

What better illustration of hypocrisy could be given. For the sake of the truth, Paul will use all means of deceit, insincerity, ruse etc in order to gain more followers. Just like his successors today, the missionaries put on a face of every ethnic race. You can see them at many of their websites, to the Muslims; they put themselves under the guise of WORLD VISION and other aid programs, and when they inject the needle, they also try to inject the needle of Christianity along side it. To the Jewish people, the Christian missionaries love Jews, Israel and Zionism (one point that they could never mention to the Muslims), bagels and Seinfeld. This love becomes so much that its insincere face starts to show.

It is the wish of a section of the People of the Book to lead you astray. But they shall lead astray (Not you), but themselves, and they do not perceive!
Sura Al-Imran 3.69

For if the truth of God, hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory: why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
ROMANS 3:7

Even though Paul admits to lying (like he has in many other places), never how much he tries to defend his actions, the rational spiritual mind will never accept it. Lying is at the root of falsehood, the very element that is completely opposed to truth. The truth is a means to an end. If a Muslim wanted to build a Mosque and he required funding to do so; there are several ways he could go about it. If he decided to rob a bank and used the stolen cash to build the Masjid, all his efforts will be in vain. Allah will never accept it from him, even though the man did it for Allah's sake. The fact is that the ends don't justify the means, to get to paradise, you must choose the road that leads to paradise. And deceit is definitely not on that road.

Cursed [be] he that doeth the work of the LORD deceitfully, ...
Jeremiah 48:10
Re: Quran Or The Bible, Which Condones Taqiyya(deception) by Nobody: 2:34pm On Aug 18, 2016
Good question! i challenge any christian to bring a verse from the quran or hadith that condones this sort of deception!

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Re: Quran Or The Bible, Which Condones Taqiyya(deception) by hUmaneOne: 12:42am On Sep 12, 2016
Face your religion and stop breeding falsehood ...

Nobody accused muslims of Taqiyya.it's in your mind.
I don't even know what the word means.

If I'm the one doing this against Islam especially in kano or aikido, they'll off my neck for blasphemy.rubbish.

Face your religion and I'll face mine.

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Re: Quran Or The Bible, Which Condones Taqiyya(deception) by Nobody: 3:14am On Sep 12, 2016
VomeSchakleton:
Good question! i challenge any christian to bring a verse from the quran or hadith that condones this sort of deception!
Shiit promotes this teaching
Re: Quran Or The Bible, Which Condones Taqiyya(deception) by alfarouq(m): 8:32pm On Oct 16, 2016
Cc: friendchoice, anas09, 4everGod, demzy, lexiconkabir, hopefullandlord.
Your contributions is requested here
Re: Quran Or The Bible, Which Condones Taqiyya(deception) by Nobody: 9:04pm On Oct 16, 2016
They ask the question simply because of what their shi'a brothers are doing. The sect they always support and back, because both of them are against the Only existing incorruptible and unchangeable Holy Book on the face of the earth. (QURAN FURQAN TANZIL KITAB)

The corrupted scripture by God's lost sheeps can teach anything from god engaging in functions of lower animal of sex to beget a son to many other concoctions, interpolations and fabrications.

[size=16] Paul told us Christians will go to hell [/size]
[b]For the wrath of God l is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth For what can be Known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the CREATOR, who is blessed forever! Amen. [/b]

Roman 1:18-25

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Re: Quran Or The Bible, Which Condones Taqiyya(deception) by alfarouq(m): 10:57pm On Oct 16, 2016
hUmaneOne:
Face your religion and stop breeding falsehood ...

Nobody accused muslims of Taqiyya.it's in your mind.
I don't even know what the word means.

If I'm the one doing this against Islam especially in kano or aikido, they'll off my neck for blasphemy.rubbish.

Face your religion and I'll face mine.
Tell that to 4evarGod, anas09 and their ilks

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Re: Quran Or The Bible, Which Condones Taqiyya(deception) by hopefulLandlord: 11:29pm On Oct 16, 2016
alfarouq:
Cc: friendchoice, anas09, 4everGod, demzy, lexiconkabir, hopefullandlord.
Your contributions is requested here

erh

this is awkward, I'm an atheist and just ask for clarification from both Christians and Muslims when they argue
Re: Quran Or The Bible, Which Condones Taqiyya(deception) by lagosrd: 8:22pm On Nov 09, 2020
You don't have job baby terrorist.
Re: Quran Or The Bible, Which Condones Taqiyya(deception) by sagenaija: 11:01pm On Nov 09, 2020
alfarouq:
some christians are in the habit of accusing muslims of Taqiyya. when they make an accusation against islam an d a muslim clarifiesm there next line of defence is to accuse the muslim of practising taqiyya.

But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless being crafty, I CAUGHT YOU WITH GUILE
2 CORINTHIANS 12:16

On his own admission, Paul is saying that he uses deception in his modus operandi. In all the new versions of the Bible, the more common term of deceit is replaced instead. This statement is made long after his conversion to Christianity, in the phase when he supposed to be blessed and.....

First, UNLIKE the Koran where individual verses in a chapter can be totally disconnected from and unrelated to the others this is not so with most of the Bible. That is why it is always recommended that you look at the CONTEXT. Look at the flow of thought in the passage rather than pick just a single verse.

Accusing Paul of being a deceiver is not to put together a full picture of him. Look at this:
1 Thessalonians chapter 2: “[1] For yourselves, brethren, know our entrance in unto you, that it was not in vain: [2] But even after that we had suffered before, and were shamefully entreated, as ye know, at Philippi, we were bold in our God to speak unto you the gospel of God with much contention. [3] For our exhortation was not of deceit, nor of uncleanness, nor in guile: [4] But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts. [5] For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloke of covetousness; God is witness: [6] Nor of men sought we glory, neither of you, nor yet of others, when we might have been burdensome, as the apostles of Christ.” 

Here Paul CLEARLY claims that he does not engage in deceit or guile. He makes the same claim in other places. So, what is the 2 Corinthians portion saying?

What we see there is sarcasm on the part of Paul.

Reading 2 Corinthians 12:16 with in context, all will make sense: “[15] And I will very gladly spend and be spent for you; though the more abundantly I love you, the less I be loved. [16] But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with guile.” In verse 15, we see Paul’s tenderness, genuine care and immense love for the saints at Corinth. He was willing to give his time, energy, and resources to evangelize them and make them grow. How did they react? They were callous and indifferent toward him!! He therefore sarcastically saying that their attitude and action must be because they must have thought of him as a deceiver. Otherwise they wouldn't act the way they did.

The chapters which come before this and follow it show more clearly Paul's mind. You therefore need to look at the WHOLE PICTURE before picking a single verse and making assumptions about it.

Unlike this one place where the use of the words crafty and guile is being misread to make it read what it is not, the Koran on the other hand in a number of places has it where, not a human but, Allah claims to be the best of deceivers. See Koran 3:54-55, 7:99, 27:50. Mohamed follows the example as he did not hesitate to use deception, especially when it helped him to murder his opponents. Paul was certainly not in that league.
Re: Quran Or The Bible, Which Condones Taqiyya(deception) by alfarouq(m): 10:34am On Jun 10, 2022
Wow, I am already getting old o. I can not imagine that this thread is as far back as 2016.

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