Quran declares that Allah put mountains on Earth to stabilize it and stop it from shaking, but mountains are the result of instability as tectonic plates collide or volcanoes erupt.

Quran 78:6-7 (Yusufali)
[6] Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse,

[7] And the mountains as pegs?

[ 78:6 Pickthal] Have We not made the earth an expanse,

[ 78:7 Pickthal] And the high hills bulwarks?

I wonder why the supposed all-knowing God would say large-scale movements (shakings) is the stabilization of the Earth.

Scientific Formation Of Mountains:

Mountain formation refers to the geological processes that underlie the formation of mountains. These processes are associated with large-scale movements of the earth's crust (plate tectonics). Mountain formation is related to plate tectonics. Folding, faulting, volcanic activity, igneous intrusion and metamorphism are all parts of the orogenic process of mountain building. The understanding of specific landscape features in terms of the underlying tectonic processes is called tectonic geomorphology, and the study of geologically young or ongoing processes is called neotectonics.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_formation

When you're ready and willing to learn then ask, with humility and you'd be surprised at the level of your ignorance.

That crap is gonna end up in the archives some day

I don't know if the koran is right. However ur analogy of mountain formation and the purpose of mountains is faulty. u re comparing how and why.

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VictorRomanov:
I don't know if the koran is right. However ur analogy of mountain formation and the purpose of mountains is faulty. u re comparing how and why.

How can mountain that is caused by large-scale movements, serious shakings be a stabilizing agent to the Earth?

laiza:
When you're ready and willing to learn then ask, with humility and you'd be surprised at the level of your ignorance.

Please educate me nau !!!

Blakjewelry:
That crap is gonna end up in the archives some day

Quran is undoubtedly a crap !!!

truthmans2012:
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I'll use an engineering analogy. In road construction, machine called a compactor is used to compact sand fill. During the process of compacting, the compactor shakes and vibrates the ground. The vibration shakes exiting buildings around the site, like an earthquake. A layman would probably be wondering why the quaking but the engineer knows that the quaking is done to STABILIZE the ground.


now i am not saying the koran is right, but i think it's trying to explain WHY the mountains form and not HOW they re formed.

And from my illustration u can see that a tremour or quaking can actually be a process to stability.

VictorRomanov:


I'll use an engineering analogy. In road construction, machine called a compactor is used to compact sand fill. During the process of compacting, the compactor shakes and vibrates the ground. The vibration shakes exiting buildings around the site, like an earthquake. A layman would probably be wondering why the quaking but the engineer knows that the quaking is done to STABILIZE the ground.


now i am not saying the koran is right, but i think it's trying to explain WHY the mountains form and not HOW they re formed.

And from my illustration u can see that a tremour or quaking can actually be a process to stability.

I believe you are an atheists, if not so, you sound very much so. Many atheists make much effort to defend the quran.

Go through this to read more on the subject:

The Qur’an, in several passages, tells us that Allah placed mountains on the earth so that the earth would not shake:

Sura 16:15 : And He has set up on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you; and rivers and roads; that ye may guide yourselves;

Sura 21:31 : And We have set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with them, and We have made therein broad highways (between mountains) for them to pass through: that they may receive Guidance.

Sura 31:10 : He created the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; He set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you;

Sura 78:7 : And the mountains as pegs?

Sura 79:32-33 : And the mountains hath He firmly fixed;- For use and convenience to you and your cattle.

Note that only Sura 78:7 refers to mountains as “pegs”. The Qur’an says nothing about mountains having “roots”. However, as we look at several Muslim arguments, Muslim apologists often refer to the “roots” of mountains as “pegs” in an attempt to align the term with the Qur’an. Muslims see this as a “miracle” since Muhammad could not have known that mountains had “roots” – so Muhammad’s reference to mountain roots (in spite of the fact that the Qur’an uses the term pegs and not roots) could only come from Allah. However, the existence of the roots of mountains was known in ancient times. Here are three verses from the Bible:

Job 28:9 : People assault the flinty rock with their hands and lay bare the roots of the mountains.

Psalm 18:7 : The earth trembled and quaked, and the foundations of the mountains shook; they trembled because he was angry.

Jonah 2:6 : To the roots of the mountains I sank down; the earth beneath barred me in forever. But you, LORD my God, brought my life up from the pit.

It is semantically incorrect to equate “roots” with “pegs” because “roots” are not the same as “pegs”. Roots are the result of natural processes. In the case of mountains, the “roots” are created by the collision, and subduction, of continental plates. “Pegs” are made by humans and are driven into the ground by humans. It should also be mentioned that not all mountains, such as volcanoes, have roots.

Some might read these passages as poetry; others might read it as an allegory. Others might read these passages and conclude that people in those days believed that the earth was flat and saw mountains serving a similar purpose as paperweights, holding the earth still. However, there are some Muslims who see these verses as “proof” that the Qur’an is miraculous because it discusses scientific concepts unknown to people in the ancient world. In fact, if you query Google for the terms mountains pegs miracle there are more than 3000 hits!

George Sale (cited by Wherry) tells us:

"The Muhammadans suppose that the earth, when first created, was smooth and equal, and thereby liable to a circular motion as well as the celestial orbs; and that the angels asking who could be able to stand on so tottering a frame, God fixed it the next morning by throwing the mountains on it."

The Tafsir al-Jalalayn says:

and the mountains pegs?, with which the earth is tied down like tents are tied down with pegs (the interrogative is meant as an affirmative).

Problems: Facts and Logic

The most obvious problem, with the idea that mountains prevent the earth from shaking, is that there are earthquakes each and every day on planet earth. Anyone can go on the United States Geological Survey site Latest Earthquakes in the World - Past 7 days to see where Magnitude 4.5, and above, earthquakes have occurred. Please go to this site and notice where the past week’s earthquakes have taken place: western North and South America, the Aleutian Islands, the Pacific “Ring of Fire”, and the Himalayas – all are regions with large mountains! Also, take a look at the Latest Earthquakes in the USA - Last 7 days and notice where these take place - in the Rocky and Cascade Mountains in the west and in the Appalachian Mountains of the east!

Mountains are created and formed by the movement and collision of tectonic plates and by volcanic forces – not by Allah placing them on the surface of the planet. Tectonic plates collide, creating mountains such as the Himalayas and the heat generated from one plate sub-ducting (or sliding) under another plate creates volcanoes such as the Cascade Mountains. These areas, as can be plainly seen in the USGS map, are where earthquakes occur.


In addition to these factual errors, the Qur’an is simply not logical when it refers to mountains as “pegs”. A peg is used to fix, or anchor, something – such as a tent – to the ground. So, if mountains are “pegs”, as the Qur’an says, exactly to what do mountains “peg” the earth? Do they “peg” the earth to itself? That would be absurd!

However, no argument appears to be absurd when it supports the Qur’an. One Muslim apologist tells us:

Mountains do hold the tectonic plates together and also do function as buffer against earthquakes! There’s plenty of research confirming this, don't let these pseudo-scientists tell you otherwise. The problem is, although mountains do all this, they are in the first place created by the movement of the tectonic plates and earthquakes. Therefor people naturally assume that since they are created by it, they cannot afterwards negate the effect. But that assumption is wrong. While it is true that Allah subhana wa ta'ala creates mountains trough tectonic movement and earthquakes; once that those mountains are big enough they do counter the effect. In that sense the analogy with the apple is also very deceiving. The two are hardly comparable. The presence of mountains, especially the older and bigger ones has a huge effect in buffering earthquakes.

This is incorrect because it confuses cause and effect. Mountains are created by the collision of tectonic plates – a process that does not stabilize the earth, but is the cause of earthquakes. In other words, the mountain is the effect of the collision of tectonic plates and plate movement slows because one plate impacts the other and the formation of mountains has nothing to do with this.

The author also cites a scientific paper which tells us:

"San Gabriel Mountains act as a natural seismic insulator for metropolitan Los Angeles. The topography of the mountains scatters the surface waves generated by the rupture on the San Andreas fault, leading to less-efficient excitation of basin-edge generated waves and natural resonances within the Los Angeles Basin. The effect of the mountains reduces the peak amplitude of ground velocity for some regions in the basin by as much as 50% in the frequency band up to 0.5 Hz. These results suggest that, depending on the relative location of faulting and the nearby large-scale topography, the topography can shield some areas from ground shaking."

The idea that the topography of these mountains reduces the peak amplitude of surface waves, in some places, is interesting. However, these mountains obviously do not prevent earthquakes in the Los Angeles Basin. Since this article discusses the surface topography of mountains, in relation to earthquakes, the mountains do not serve as “pegs”.

The Dishonest Abuse/Misuse of Sources to Support the Qur’an’s “Miracle”

Muslims attempt to rescue their Qur’an from these obvious errors by asserting that mountains are actually “pegs” and proclaim this a miracle! Muslim apologists turn to a number of Geology texts and suspend any pretense of intellectual honesty by removing the author’s text, from the illustrations that they present, and insert their own text. After all, Muslims cannot cite one single Geologist who claims that mountains are “pegs”, or that they prevent earthquakes.

Some Islamic websites (e.g., 1, 2) cite a Geology text book, Earth, by Frank Press. The Muslims cite incorrectly and dishonestly reproduce an image from this text:

http://.answering islam.org/authors/vargo/mountains_pegs.html

truthmans2012:


I believe you are an atheists, if not so, you sound very much so. Many atheists make much effort to defend the quran.

Go through this to read more on the subject:

The Qur’an, in several passages, tells us that Allah placed mountains on the earth so that the earth would not shake:

Sura 16:15 : And He has set up on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you; and rivers and roads; that ye may guide yourselves;

Sura 21:31 : And We have set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with them, and We have made therein broad highways (between mountains) for them to pass through: that they may receive Guidance.

Sura 31:10 : He created the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; He set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you;

Sura 78:7 : And the mountains as pegs?

Sura 79:32-33 : And the mountains hath He firmly fixed;- For use and convenience to you and your cattle.

Note that only Sura 78:7 refers to mountains as “pegs”. The Qur’an says nothing about mountains having “roots”. However, as we look at several Muslim arguments, Muslim apologists often refer to the “roots” of mountains as “pegs” in an attempt to align the term with the Qur’an. Muslims see this as a “miracle” since Muhammad could not have known that mountains had “roots” – so Muhammad’s reference to mountain roots (in spite of the fact that the Qur’an uses the term pegs and not roots) could only come from Allah. However, the existence of the roots of mountains was known in ancient times. Here are three verses from the Bible:

Job 28:9 : People assault the flinty rock with their hands and lay bare the roots of the mountains.

Psalm 18:7 : The earth trembled and quaked, and the foundations of the mountains shook; they trembled because he was angry.

Jonah 2:6 : To the roots of the mountains I sank down; the earth beneath barred me in forever. But you, LORD my God, brought my life up from the pit.

It is semantically incorrect to equate “roots” with “pegs” because “roots” are not the same as “pegs”. Roots are the result of natural processes. In the case of mountains, the “roots” are created by the collision, and subduction, of continental plates. “Pegs” are made by humans and are driven into the ground by humans. It should also be mentioned that not all mountains, such as volcanoes, have roots.

Some might read these passages as poetry; others might read it as an allegory. Others might read these passages and conclude that people in those days believed that the earth was flat and saw mountains serving a similar purpose as paperweights, holding the earth still. However, there are some Muslims who see these verses as “proof” that the Qur’an is miraculous because it discusses scientific concepts unknown to people in the ancient world. In fact, if you query Google for the terms mountains pegs miracle there are more than 3000 hits!

George Sale (cited by Wherry) tells us:

"The Muhammadans suppose that the earth, when first created, was smooth and equal, and thereby liable to a circular motion as well as the celestial orbs; and that the angels asking who could be able to stand on so tottering a frame, God fixed it the next morning by throwing the mountains on it."

The Tafsir al-Jalalayn says:

and the mountains pegs?, with which the earth is tied down like tents are tied down with pegs (the interrogative is meant as an affirmative).

Problems: Facts and Logic

The most obvious problem, with the idea that mountains prevent the earth from shaking, is that there are earthquakes each and every day on planet earth. Anyone can go on the United States Geological Survey site Latest Earthquakes in the World - Past 7 days to see where Magnitude 4.5, and above, earthquakes have occurred. Please go to this site and notice where the past week’s earthquakes have taken place: western North and South America, the Aleutian Islands, the Pacific “Ring of Fire”, and the Himalayas – all are regions with large mountains! Also, take a look at the Latest Earthquakes in the USA - Last 7 days and notice where these take place - in the Rocky and Cascade Mountains in the west and in the Appalachian Mountains of the east!

Mountains are created and formed by the movement and collision of tectonic plates and by volcanic forces – not by Allah placing them on the surface of the planet. Tectonic plates collide, creating mountains such as the Himalayas and the heat generated from one plate sub-ducting (or sliding) under another plate creates volcanoes such as the Cascade Mountains. These areas, as can be plainly seen in the USGS map, are where earthquakes occur.


In addition to these factual errors, the Qur’an is simply not logical when it refers to mountains as “pegs”. A peg is used to fix, or anchor, something – such as a tent – to the ground. So, if mountains are “pegs”, as the Qur’an says, exactly to what do mountains “peg” the earth? Do they “peg” the earth to itself? That would be absurd!

However, no argument appears to be absurd when it supports the Qur’an. One Muslim apologist tells us:

Mountains do hold the tectonic plates together and also do function as buffer against earthquakes! There’s plenty of research confirming this, don't let these pseudo-scientists tell you otherwise. The problem is, although mountains do all this, they are in the first place created by the movement of the tectonic plates and earthquakes. Therefor people naturally assume that since they are created by it, they cannot afterwards negate the effect. But that assumption is wrong. While it is true that Allah subhana wa ta'ala creates mountains trough tectonic movement and earthquakes; once that those mountains are big enough they do counter the effect. In that sense the analogy with the apple is also very deceiving. The two are hardly comparable. The presence of mountains, especially the older and bigger ones has a huge effect in buffering earthquakes.

This is incorrect because it confuses cause and effect. Mountains are created by the collision of tectonic plates – a process that does not stabilize the earth, but is the cause of earthquakes. In other words, the mountain is the effect of the collision of tectonic plates and plate movement slows because one plate impacts the other and the formation of mountains has nothing to do with this.

The author also cites a scientific paper which tells us:

"San Gabriel Mountains act as a natural seismic insulator for metropolitan Los Angeles. The topography of the mountains scatters the surface waves generated by the rupture on the San Andreas fault, leading to less-efficient excitation of basin-edge generated waves and natural resonances within the Los Angeles Basin. The effect of the mountains reduces the peak amplitude of ground velocity for some regions in the basin by as much as 50% in the frequency band up to 0.5 Hz. These results suggest that, depending on the relative location of faulting and the nearby large-scale topography, the topography can shield some areas from ground shaking."

The idea that the topography of these mountains reduces the peak amplitude of surface waves, in some places, is interesting. However, these mountains obviously do not prevent earthquakes in the Los Angeles Basin. Since this article discusses the surface topography of mountains, in relation to earthquakes, the mountains do not serve as “pegs”.

The Dishonest Abuse/Misuse of Sources to Support the Qur’an’s “Miracle”

Muslims attempt to rescue their Qur’an from these obvious errors by asserting that mountains are actually “pegs” and proclaim this a miracle! Muslim apologists turn to a number of Geology texts and suspend any pretense of intellectual honesty by removing the author’s text, from the illustrations that they present, and insert their own text. After all, Muslims cannot cite one single Geologist who claims that mountains are “pegs”, or that they prevent earthquakes.

Some Islamic websites (e.g., 1, 2) cite a Geology text book, Earth, by Frank Press. The Muslims cite incorrectly and dishonestly reproduce an image from this text:

http://.answering islam.org/authors/vargo/mountains_pegs.html

I am not an atheist. I am a christian. I am also an engineer. That means i very much get involved in science and technology.

However like i stated earlier, i do no believe the Koran is right. I am only pointing at the faulty comparism between the how and the why.

truthmans2012:
Quran declares that Allah put mountains on Earth to stabilize it and stop it from shaking, but mountains are the result of instability as tectonic plates collide or volcanoes erupt.
cale movements of the earth's crust[/color] (plate tectonics).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_formation

Do you believe in science?

VictorRomanov:


I'll use an engineering analogy. In road construction, machine called a compactor is used to compact sand fill. During the process of compacting, the compactor shakes and vibrates the ground. The vibration shakes exiting buildings around the site, like an earthquake. A layman would probably be wondering why the quaking but the engineer knows that the quaking is done to STABILIZE the ground.


now i am not saying the koran is right, but i think it's trying to explain WHY the mountains form and not HOW they re formed.

And from my illustration u can see that a tremour or quaking can actually be a process to stability.

The Qu'ran's right. The guy knows nothing. After you tried to explain in your simple way, see how he went to copy and paste another epistle from whatever sites he visits.

Annuaki forever proving how dumb is he.
After geologists proved the theory right you're here wasting your time.

lol jst passing by...

laiza:
When you're ready and willing to learn then ask, with humility and you'd be surprised at the level of your ignorance.

Now that's a lazy way to defend ones belief.

Presbulg:


The Qu'ran's right. The guy knows nothing. After you tried to explain in your simple way, see how he went to copy and paste another epistle from whatever sites he visits.

Annuaki forever proving how dumb is he.
After geologists proved the theory right you're here wasting your time.

U dey mind d clown

So because the guy refused to cooperate decided to use his brain he is now an atheist?

abduljabbar4:
So because the guy refused to cooperate decided to use his brain he is now an atheist?

The guy said he is a Christian and that is why he was able to say something reasonable. No muslims have such intelligence. Most times it is atheists that try to rescue islam, muslims themselves know nothing. Jinns have tampered with your God given intelligence.

truthmans2012:


The guy said he is a Christian and that is why he was able to say something reasonable. No muslims have such intelligence. Most times it is atheists that try to rescue islam, muslims themselves know nothing. Jinns have tampered with your God given intelligence.

Then you must be a Muslim. In fact a very strong one cos your ignorance is beyond description. Aren't you even supposed to be in your church?

abduljabbar4:


Then you must be a Muslim. In fact a very strong one cos your ignorance is beyond description. Aren't you even supposed to be in your church?

In the Church? Do you know our Church programmes?

The worst spiritual thing that can happen to somebody is being a muslim. Islam is a religion that takes people to hell and allaah clearly said it.

truthmans2012:


In the Church? Do you know our Church programmes?

The worst spiritual thing that can happen to somebody is being a muslim. Islam is a religion that takes people to hell and allaah clearly said it.

Oh ok I get it. People are currently giving their testi-moneys. Your pastor has cured a deaf person, died and resurrected, cured a blind woman and talked with your god. The next thing is to pay 40% of your monthly income as tithe and lie down so that Adramelech can be flogged out of you. Don't let him burn you alive sha. Cos there is nothing they cannot tell you and there is nothing they will tell you which you won't believe

abduljabbar4:


Oh ok I get it. People are currently giving their testi-moneys. Your pastor has cured a deaf person, died and resurrected, cured a blind woman and talked with your god. The next thing is to pay 40% of your monthly income as tithe and lie down so that Adramelech can be flogged out of you. Don't let him burn you alive sha. Cos there is nothing they cannot tell you and there is nothing they will tell you which you won't believe

Money flows where the power of God is. People voluntarily were given Jesus gifts and he lived on them. He didn't have to resort to robbing commercial caravans like Muhammad to make a living.

The mosques are so dried because there is no power of God. The best your Alfas do is make arabic charms, after making little payment to them.

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim. As salaamu alaykum. truthmans2012 you aren't able to see into these verses. You're not learning anything from the verses even when they're explained to you in detail. What to do?? May God Most Wise, show you HIS Wisdom:

The amazing creation of earth and its relationship with mountains

Qur'an On Mountains

Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi - Tafhim al-Qur'an - The Meaning of the Qur'an



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