(1) "And God said, Let there be light" (Gen. 1:3) and "...And the evening and the morning were the first day" (Gen. 1:5), versus "And God said, 'Let there be light in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night.... ' "And God made two lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.... And the evening and morning were the fourth day" (Gen. 1:14-19).
(a) God created light on the first day; yet there were no moon, sun or stars until the fourth day;
(b) how could it be known when the first three days ended if there was no sun until the fourth day?; and
(c) How could morning be distinguished from evening, if the sun and the moon were yet to be created?

(2) "And God said,'Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yeilding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind.... And the evening and the morning were the third day" (Gen. 1:11-13), versus "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night; he made the stars also" (Gen. 1:16), and "the evening and the morning were the fourth day" (Gen. 1:19). Vegetation was created on the third day; yet there was no sun for the photosynthesis until the fourth day.

(3) " In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" (Gen. 1:1), and"... the evening and the morning were the first day" (Gen.1:5), versus "And God made two great lights; and the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night; he made the stars also" (Gen. 1:16) and the evening and the morning were the fourth day" (Gen. 1:19).
(a) According to biblical "science", the earth was created 3 days before the sun, the moon and the stars; (b) Scientists say there are many stars whose light takes millions of years to reach the earth. How, then, could they be 6,000 to 8,000 years old as many Christians allege?

(4) "And God said, 'Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind...' And the evening and the morning were the third day" (Gen. 1:11-13), versus "And God said, 'Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life... And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly.... And the evening and the morning were the fifth day" (Gen.1:20-23). Genesis says that life existed first on the land as plants and later the seas teemed with living creatures. Geological science says that the sea teemed with animals and vegetable life long before life appeared on land.

(5) " So God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds,and every winged bird according to its kind.... And there was evening and there was morning, a fifth day" (Gen. 1:21-23 RSV). Geological science says fishes appeared long before the birds. They were not created during the same day or period.

(6) "And God created...every winged fowl after his kind...." (Gen. 1-21) and "And the evening and the morning were the fifth day" (Gen. 1:23), versus "And God made ther beast of the earth... and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind...." (Gen. 1-25), and "... the evening and the morning were the sixth day" (Gen. 1:31). Science says creeping reptiles appeared on the earth before the fowl, not afterwards.

(7) "And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, the beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made...every thing that creepth upon the earth after his kind...." (Gen. 1:24-25). Science contends that reptiles were created long before mammals, not simultaneously. While reptiles existed in the Carboniferous Age, mammals did not appear until the close of the Reptilian Age.

( "And God said, 'Let the water bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven" (Gen. 1:20). Birds did not emerge from water.

(9) "So God created man in his own image,...male and female created he them" (Gen. 1:27), and "the evening and the morning were the sixth day" (Gen. 1:31). If Adam was created on the 6th day, approximately 6,000 years ago (Bishop Usher's calculations), then nobody lived before 4,000 B.C. Prehistoric men would be fictitious. By tracing the genealogy of Jesus back 77 generations to Adam, the third chapter of Luke also supports belief in a very young earth. If each man had lived approximately 100 years, then the world would be no more than 9,705 (7,700 + 2005) years old. If each of Jesus' ancestors had lived to be 1,000 years old (an age not even reached by Methuselah), the earth would still be only 79,005 (77,000 + 2005) years old, according to creationists.

(10) "And to every beast of the earth, and every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so" (Gen. 1:30). Carnivorous beasts and fowl do not eat green herbs.

(11) "And God saw everything that he had made...." (Gen. 1:31) and "on the seventh day God ended his work" (Gen. 2:2). Scientifically speaking, unless God had male organs or attributes, it is difficult to see how God could be masculine.

(12) "And out of the ground the Lord formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof" (Gen. 2:19). Environmentally speaking, how could every living creature be brought to any spot in the Middle East or elsewhere without many animals dying because of climatic changes and other factors?

(13) "And Lord God said unto the serpent, 'Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt eat all the days of thy life'..." (Gen. 3:14). If the serpent was a snake, snake-like, or reptilian in character and condemned to crawl upon its belly, how did it move before? And does science know of any serpent that eats dust?

(a) "... and the sons of Zerubbabel; Meshullam, and Hananiah, Jusha-bhesed, five." (1 Chron. 3:19-20). How can there be five sons of Zerubbabel when 7 males and one female are listed?
(b) "And it had for its inheritance Beer-sheba, Sheba, Moladah, Hazar-shual, Balah, Ezem, Eltolad, Bethul, Hormah, Ziklag, Beth-marcaboth, Hazarsuah, Beth-lebaoth, and Sharuhen- thirteen cities with their villages" (Josh. 19:2-6 RSV). Fourteen cities are listed, not 13.
(c) "The cities belonging to the tribe of the people of Judah in the extreme South, toward the boundary of Edom, were Kabzeel, Eder, Jagur, Kinah, Dimonah, Adadah, Kedesh, Hazor, Ithnan, Ziph, Telem, Bealoth, Hazor-hadattah, Kerioth-hezron (that is Hazor). Amam,Shema, Moladah, Hazar-gaddah, Heshmon, Bethpelet, Hazar-shual, Beer-sheba, Biziothiah, Baalah, Iim, Ezem, Eltolad, Chesil, Hormah, Ziklag, Madmannah, Sansannah, Lebaoth, Shilhim, Ain, and Rimmon; in all twenty-nine(29) cities, with their villages" (Josh. 15:21-32 RSV). Thirty-six cities are listed, not 29.
(d)"...and the sons of Shemaiah; Hattush, and Igeal and Barial, and Neariah, and Shaphat, six" (1Chron. 3:22). Five names don't total six.
(e) "...the sons od Jeduthun; Gedaliah, and Zeri, and Jeshiah, Hashabiah, and Mattithiah, six, under the hands of their father Jeduthun,..." (1 Chron. 25:3). Again, five names do not total six.
(f) "And in the lowland, Eshtaol, Zorah, Ashnah, Zanoah, En-gannim, Tappuah, Enam, Jarmuth, Adullam, Socoh, Azekah, Sha-araim, Adithaim, Gederah, Gederothaim: fourteen cities with their villages" (Josh. 15:33-36 RSV). Fifteen cities are listed, not 14. Bibical authors not only counted inaccurately but often added with comparable precision.
(g) "The whole congregation together (those who returned from the Captivity) was forty and two thousand three hundred and threescore (42,360)" (Ezra 2:64). The number of people in each tribe that returned from the Captivity are listed from Ezra 2:3 to Ezra 2:60. One need only total the figures to see that 29,818 returned, not 42,360- an error of 12,542.

(h) A similar problem is encourntered in Neh. 7:66, which says, "the whole congregation together was forty and two thousand three hundred and three-score (42,360)." One need only add the figures between Neh. 7:8 and Neh. 7:62 to see that the total for all the tribe should have been 31,089, not 42,360-- an error of 11,271. Besides adding inaccurately, Ezra and Nehemiah can't agree on what the total should be. The former supports 29,818 while the latter asserts 31,089.
(i) "And this is the number of them: Thirty (30) charges of gold, a thousand (1,000) charges of silver, nine and twenty (29) knives, Thirty (30) basins of gold, silver basins of a second sort four hundred and ten (410), and vessels a thousand (1,000). All the vessels of gold and of silver were five thousand and four hundred (5,400)" (Ezra 1:9-11). Even if all these items were composed of silver and gold, they would not total 5,400 (30+ 1,000+ 29 + 30 + 410 + 1,000=2,499 not 5,400).

(j) "And these were the sons of Levi by their names; Gershon, and Kohath, and Merari" (Num. 3:17) and "Those that were numbered of them (the Gershonites-)...were seven thousand and five hundred (7,500)" (Num. 3:22) and "...these are the families of the Kohathites...eight thousand and six hundred (8,600)" (Num. 3:27-28) and "...these are the families of the Merari. And those that were numbered of them,...were six thousand and two hundred (6,200)" (Num.3:33-34), versus "All that were numbered of the Levites,...were twenty and two thousand (22,000)" (Num. 3:39). The author of Numbers added inaccurately, since 7,500 + 8,600 + 6,200 equals 22,300, not 22,000.

(a) David took seven hundred (2 Sam. 8:4), seven thousand (1 Chron. 18:4) horsemen from Hadadezer;
(b) Ahaziah was 22 (2 Kings 8:26), 42 (2 Chron. 22:2) years old when he began to reign;
(c) Jehoiachin was 18 (2 Kings 24:, 8 (2 Chron. 36:9) years old when he began to reign and he reigned 3 months (2 Kings 24:, 3 months and10 days (2 Chron. 36:9);
(d) There were in Israel 8000,000 (2 Sam. 24:9); 1,1000,000 (1 Chron. 21:5) men that drew the sword and there were 500,000 (2 Sam. 24:9), 470,000 (1 Chron. 21:5) men that drew the sword in Judah;
(e) There were 550 (1 Kings 9:23), 250 (2 Chron. 8:10) chiefs of the officers that bare the rule over the people;
(f) Saul's daughter, Michal, had no sons (2 Sam. 6:23), had 5 sons (2 Sam. 21:6) during her lifetime;
(g) Lot was Abraham's nephew (Gen. 14:12), brother (Gen. 14:14);
(h) Joseph was sold into Egypt by Midianites (Gen. 37:36), by Ishmaelites (Gen. 39:1);
(i) Saul was killed by his own hands (1 Sam. 31:4), by a young Amalekite (2 Sam. 1:10), by the Philistines (2 Sam. 21:12);
(j) Solomon made of a molten sea which contained 2,000 (1 Kings 7:26), 3,000 (2 Chron. 4:5) baths;
(k) The workers on the Temple had 3,300 (1 Kings 5:16), 3,600 (2 Chron. 2:18) overseers;
(l) The earth does (Eccle. 1:4), does not (2 Peter 3:10) abideth forever;
(m) If Jesus bears witness of himself his witness is true (John 8:14), is not true (John 5:31);
(n) Josiah died at Megiddo (2 Kings 23:29-30), at Jerusalem (2 Chron. 35:24);
(o) Jesus led Peter, James, and John up a high mountain after six (Matt. 17:1, Mark 9:2), eight (Luke 9:28) days;
(p) Nebuzaradan came unto Jerusalem on the seventh (2 Kings 25:, tenth (Jer. 52:12) day of the fifth month.

What was the sign on Jesus' cross?
This is Jesus
The King of the Jews.
(Mt 27:37)

The King
of the Jews.
(Mk 15:26)

This is the
King of the Jews.
(Lk 23:38)

Jesus the Nazarene
The King of the Jews. (Jn 19:19)

1. How many Gods are there?
(GEN 1:26) God said "LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE ACCORDING TO OUR LIKENESS",
(GEN 3:22) God said "MAN HAS BECOME LIKE ONE OF US."
(DEUT 6:4) God is one God

2. When was God first called Jehovah?
(Genesis 4:26) long before Moses, men began to call on the name of the Lord, "Jehovah",
(Genesis 22:14) Abraham named a place Jehovah-jireh. "The Lord will provide."
(Exodus 6:2-3) God informed Moses that previously His name (Jehovah) had been unknown even to the patriarchs such as Abraham Isaac and Jacob

3. When did the Nephilim live?
(Genesis 6:4) The Nephilim (giants) lived on earth prior to the Flood
(Genesis 7:23) Only Noah and his family, and the animals on the Ark, survived the Flood.
(Numbers 13:33) Long after the Flood, the Nephilim (Giants) still lived.

4. Does God repent?
(Genesis 6:6) God does repent.
(Numbers 23:19) God does not repent
(I Samuel 15:11,35) God does repent.

5. Who has ascended to heaven?
(Genesis 5:24) Enoch was taken bodily into Heaven.
(II Kings 2:11) Elijah ascended to heaven in a whirlwind.
(John 3:13) Jesus said that no man but himself has ever ascended to heaven.
(Hebrews 11:5) Enoch was taken bodily into Heaven.

6. Math quiz: How many animals went on the Ark?
(GEN 6:19-20) God told Noah to take with him on the ark two of every kind of animal to include birds, animals and creeping things
(GEN 7:2-3) God told Noah to take with him on the ark seven of every clean animal and bird and two of every unclean animal.

7. Math quiz: How long was the flood?
(GEN 7:17, 8:6) The flood was on the Earth 40 days and nights
(GEN 7:24, 8:3) The flood was on the Earth 150 days CONTRADICTS
(GEN 7:11) the flood began during the 600th year, 2nd month, 17th day of Noah's life and finally dried up
(GEN 8:13) during the 601st year, 1st month, 1st day of Noah's life (1 solar year from the date given in Gen7:11).

8. When did the world develop many different languages?
(Genesis 11:1,6-9) In the days of Babel, generations after the Flood, the world had one common language. God "confused the tongues" to create many.
(Genesis 10:5) Prior to Babel, the Bible speaks of many "nations", each with its own language

9. Does God cause confusion?
(GEN11:9) God confused the language of all the Earth at Babel
(EX15:24) God troubled ("CONFUSED" BY SOME TRANSLATIONS) the army of Egypt.
(1SAM7:10) God thundered upon the philistines so as to confuse them
(1COR14:33) God is not the author of confusion

10. Math quiz: How long did Terah live?
(Genesis 11:26,32) Terah lived 135 years after begetting Abraham (he begat Abram at age 70 and lived 205 years total).
(Genesis 12:4) Abraham was 75 years old when he departed Haran.
(Acts 7:4) Abraham departed Haran when his father (Terah) was dead.

11. Who has seen God?
(Gen 18:1) The Lord appeared to Abraham.
(GEN 32:24-30) Jacob saw and wrestled with God
(EX 24:9-11) Moses & 73 elders gazed upon God.
(Exodus 33:11) God spoke to Moses face-to-face.
(Exodus 33:22-23) God allowed Moses to see his "back parts".
(Deut 34:10) God spoke to Moses face-to-face.
(IS 6:1-13) Isaiah stood before God and saw him
(Ezekiel 1:27-28) Ezekiel saw God in a vision and described Him in some detail.
(Amos 7:7) Amos saw God.
(John 1:18, 6:46) No one has ever seen God.
(1 TIM6:16) God is un-seeable
(I John 4:12) No one has ever seen God.

12. Is God a fair and righteous judge?
(GEN 18:25) God claims to judge right
(GEN 22:1-2) God commands Abraham to sacrifice his own son.
(EX 20:5) God admits jealousy
(DEUT 32:4) God is perfect, just, true, righteous, upright,
(PSALM 92:15) God is not unrighteous
(IS 45:7) God claims to do good AND evil; all things
(JER 18:11) God threatens disaster to make a people be good
(EZEK 18:25) God claims to be fair
(AMOS 3:6) God admits he makes calamity
(ROM 2:11) God is impartial
(JAMES 1:13) God is not tempted by evil and tempts no one with evil

13. Who was Keturah?
(GEN 25:1) Keturah was Abraham's wife
(1 CHRON 1:32) Keturah was Abraham's concubine.

14. Who sold Joseph into slavery?
(Genesis 37:36) The Midianites sold Joseph in Egypt to Potiphar, the courtier of Pharaoh
(Genesis 39:1) The Ishmaelites brought Joseph to Egypt and sold him to Potiphar, the courtier of Pharaoh.

15. Where was Jacob buried?
(Genesis 50:13) Jacob was buried in Canaan. in a cave which Abraham had purchased from Ephron the Hittite.
(Acts 7:15-16) Jacob was buried in Sychem. in a sepulchre which Abraham had purchased from Emmor.

16. Does God condone or condemn lying?
(EX 2:18-20) God deals well with midwives for lying to the King of Egypt.
(EX 20:16) Lying forbidden
(JOSH 2:4-6) Rahab hides two men from the King of Jericho and lies to him and is dealt well with by God
(PROV 12:22) Lying is an abomination to God
(JAMES 2:25) James preaches that Rahab was justified for hiding two men and lying,
(REV 21: all liars will burn in the lake of fire

17. How about stealing?
(Exodus 3:21-22) plundering commanded.
(Exodus 20:15) Stealing forbidden

18. Does God afflict people with illnesses?
(Exodus 4:11) God admitted He is the cause of blindness, deafness, dumbness.
(Lamentations 3:33) God does not willingly cause grief or affliction.

19. Did God kill off the Pharoah's livestock, or didn't he?
(Exodus 9:3-6) God killed all the cattle (field animals) of the Egyptians with a grievous murrain including the horses, asses, camels, oxen and sheep. None survived the plague
(Exodus 9:19-21,25) Later, at least some of the Egyptian field animals were mysteriously alive again, to suffer a plague of hail.
(EX 14:9) Pharaoh later chases Israel with all his horses and chariots.

20. Is God peaceful?
(EX 15:3) He is a God of war.
(1 COR 14:33) He is not a God of confusion but of peace

21. How does God feel about the making of images?
(Exodus 20:4) Image-making forbidden
(Exodus 25:18) God commands the making of two cherubim.

22. Who pays for sins?
(Exodus 20:5) God blames children for the iniquities of the father. even for four generations.
(Deuteronomy 5:9) His curse or punishment may extend far beyond the third or fourth generation.
(Deuteronomy 24:16) The son should not be punished for the father's sin. Every man bears guilt only for his own transgressions.
(II Chronicles 25:4) The son should not be punished for the father's sin. Every man bears guilt only for his own transgressions.
(EZEK 18:19-20) Each is responsible for his own actions, a son does not bear guilt for his father's sins
(Romans 5:12,14.19, 6:23) All men are considered sinners because of Adam's sin. Death, the punishment for sin, is inflicted even on those who did not sin, because Adam sinned.

23. How does God feel about selling one's daughter?
(EX 21:7) conditions are set up for selling one's daughters.
(Lev 19:29) It is forbidden to sell a daughter

24. Who inscribed the commandments on stone?
(Exodus 34:27-28) God dictated the second set of 10 commandments to Moses while Moses inscribed them.
(Deuteronomy 10:1-2,4) God inscribed the second set of 10 commandments on stones which Moses made

25. So, did God say it, or not?
(Leviticus chapters 1-7) After delivering the Jews from Egypt, God went into minute detail regarding sacrifices and burnt offerings.
(Jeremiah 7:22) God denied that he ever said anything about sacrifices or burnt offerings.

26. Where do the rules on what types of food to eat come from?
(Leviticus 3:17, 11:1-47) God gave many rules about what may be eaten or handled
(Colossians 2:20-23) Such rules come from man, not God.

27. Should we judge others?
(Leviticus 19:15) You must judge your neighbor in righteousness
(Matthew 7:1) Judge not or you will be judged.

28. Can I wear long hair and still be "clean?"
(Numbers 6:2-6) Describes the process for being clean in order to consecrate an offering; involves not allowing a razor to come upon his head and letting the locks of his hair grow
(I Corinthians 11:14) Paul preaches that it is a shame for any man to have long hair.

29. Does God keep his word?
(NUM 23:19) God does not change, Makes good his promises
(I SAM 2:30-31) God admits not keeping his promise
(II KINGS 20:1-6) God says one thing, then changes his mind and says another
(JONAH 3:10) God doesn't keep his promise to destroy

30. Has God ever lied?
(Numbers 23:19) God cannot lie
(I Kings 22:20-30) God deliberately sent a "lying spirit" into the mouth of Ahab's prophets
(II Chronicles 18:19-22) God deliberately sent a "lying spirit" into the mouth of Ahab's prophets
(II Thessalonians 2:11-12) God sends delusions on people to make them believe false things and be damned
(Titus 1:2) God cannot lie
(HEB 6:18) It is impossible for God to lie

31. Is God loving, merciful, kind, etc.?
(NUM 25:4) God commands Moses to hang the leaders in the sun to calm God's anger
(DEUT 4:24) God is a consuming fire, a jealous God
(I SAM 6:19) God strikes 50,070 dead for a sin with no compassion
(I SAM 15:2,3) God commands utter destruction of a nation of people for one man's sin,
(II SAM 21:1) God causes a three year famine because of the doings of one man's house.
(I CHRON 16:34) God is good and merciful
(Psalm 25: God is good and upright
(Psalm 145:8-9) God is gracious, compassionate, slow to anger, merciful, and good to all
(JER 13:14) God will not pity, not spare, not show mercy, but destroy them
(JER 17:4) God will be angry at Judah forever
(EZEK 18:32) God finds no pleasure in death
(JAMES 5:11) God is very compassionate and merciful
(1 JOHN 4:16) God is love

32. Did the Midianites survive or not?
(Numbers 31:7.9,15-18) The Israelites slew all the Midianites except the female virgins
(Judges 6:1-5) Later, the Midianites invaded the Israelites.

33. Can we love AND fear God?
(Deuteronomy 6:5) We must love God
(Deuteronomy 6:13) We must fear God
(Matthew 22:37) We must love God
(I Peter 2:17) We must fear God
(I John 4:18) Perfect love cannot be mingled with fear.

34.Did Ai burn, or not?
(Joshua 8:28) Joshua burnt the city of Ai, making it an ash heap forever
(Nehemiah 7:32) Ai is counted among the existing cities of Jerusalem approx. 1000 years later.

Watch out for part two. By the way, I understand that the ways of God are different from the ways of man. This text does not explain the above discrepancies. We are better off looking at them objectively without the addition of dogma.

Some of these contradictions can be solved, explained away, or dismissed as irrelevant. I'll leave that to the Christians like Layi and donnie.

Seun:

Some of these contradictions can be solved, explained away, or dismissed as irrelevant. I'll leave that to the Christians like Layi and donnie.

They indeed can, but why would you need to do that in the first place if the Bible text is perfect, as it comes from God?

Elbaron, I'll find it helpful if you can summarize your post. I certainly can't read all that!

One part that never ceases to baffle me in the Bible is 1 Samuel 16:14,23. It says an evil spirit sent by God keeps tormenting Saul. God sent an evil spirit!!!
I still believe the Bible anyway.

Man, this is damn too long! I'll read the parts I can read sha.

elbaron:

(1) "And God said, Let there be light" (Gen. 1:3) and "...And the evening and the morning were the first day" (Gen. 1:5), versus "And God said, 'Let there be light in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night.... ' "And God made two lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.... And the evening and morning were the fourth day" (Gen. 1:14-19).
(a) God created light on the first day; yet there were no moon, sun or stars until the fourth day;
(b) how could it be known when the first three days ended if there was no sun until the fourth day?; and
(c) How could morning be distinguished from evening, if the sun and the moon were yet to be created?

As far as I am concerned, GENESIS CHAPTER 1 is one of the most complicated chapters of the Bible to understand. However, we can either use insight to explain this or explain literally.
I leave this to my superiors (Layi, donnie and the likes) to explain better.

IAH

Keep Believing....  God does not lie

Ki 22:20-23
And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead?
And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.
And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith?
And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.
And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

God works His judgment though good and evil and this does not take away from His Holiness

God did the same with Pharoh

RhodaRose

Elbaron

(1) "And God said, Let there be light" (Gen. 1:3) and "...And the evening and the morning were the first day" (Gen. 1:5), versus "And God said, 'Let there be light in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night.... ' "And God made two lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.... And the evening and morning were the fourth day" (Gen. 1:14-19).
(a) God created light on the first day; yet there were no moon, sun or stars until the fourth day;
(b) how could it be known when the first three days ended if there was no sun until the fourth day?; and
(c) How could morning be distinguished from evening, if the sun and the moon were yet to be created?

Ge 1:3-5
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

When God "spoke" this was the Light and it is called Day.

His Word is Light

He created the sun for those to see who do not see the Light of His Word

Remember, God is Spirit and can only be seen in the Spirit

The rest can be explain in much the same way, in Spirit

RhodaRose

RhodaRose:

When God "spoke" this was the Light and it is called Day.

His Word is Light

He created the sun for those to see who do not see the Light of His Word

Remember, God is Spirit and can only be seen in the Spirit

The rest can be explain in much the same way, in Spirit

This is what I call insight

dear elbaron.
it might interest you to know that the word fear has several meanings like most english words u're aware of.

fear: reverence: regard with feelings of respect and reverence; consider hallowed or exalted or be in awe of; "Fear God as your father"; "We venerate genius[i][/i]"

u can't fear someone u do not love.

...and in the last days....

Isaiah 25:1 O LORD, thou art my God; I will exalt thee, I will praise thy name; for thou hast done wonderful things; thy counsels of old are faithfulness and truth.

2 For thou hast made of a city an heap; of a defenced city a ruin: a palace of strangers to be no city; it shall never be built.

3 Therefore shall the strong people glorify thee,
                the city of the terrible nations shall fear thee.

4 For thou hast been a strength to the poor, a strength to the needy in his distress, a refuge from the storm, a shadow from the heat, when the blast of the terrible ones is as a storm against the wall.

5 Thou shalt bring down the noise of strangers, as the heat in a dry place; even the heat with the shadow of a cloud: the branch of the terrible ones shall be brought low.

6 And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.

7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.

8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

9 And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.

RhodaRose

GoodGuy

All Praise to the Father of Light Who shines Light on His Truth

I forgot this:

2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a Light that shineth in a dark place, until the Day dawn, and the[b] Day Star [/b] arise in your hearts:

God is Good
All the Time

RhodaRose

RhodaRose, I do not believe the mentioned passage can be explained away in that manner. Let's take for instance, Genesis 1:5. It states specifically that God commanded "Let there be light......and the evening and the morning were the first day" Period. This passage was not describing the words of God. It was describing the creation of everything that is existent on earth. Including night and day.

When you say that God is spirit and can only be seen in spirit, what does it mean? Spirit is defined as The vital principle or animating force within living beings.
(2) Incorporeal consciousness. (3) The soul, considered as departing from the body of a person at death. In what sense of these definitions can God be seen and what proof do we have to support that?

@IAH and Goodguy,  I apologise if the article is too long but given it's very nature, it cannot be summarised. You will notice that it is not writtings of opinion or thoughts. It is actually an enumeration of contradictions existent in the bible. Or would it be better to have posted them in several threads? Might clog up the server. Anyway, I'll do what i can to keep it short next time.

@SEUN, I doubt these texts can be explained away in any manner nor can they be dismissed as irrelevant. Remember the book of 2nd Timothy Chapter 3 Verse 16? It says 'All scripture is inspired of God and is beneficial for teaching.......... Verse 17 says "So that the man of God can be better equiped for the good work". If there are irrelevant parts, wont it make nonsense of the entire concept of the bible? As for the explanations, well, that is why I posted the thread in the first place. See if anyone can make meaning of it.

@Davidylan, I, personally fear death, does it mean I love it? I fear Height, there's no way I am ever going to love looking down on the earth from 34,000 feet above sea level because I am basically afraid of height.

@RhondaRose, The bible says God created the sun to rule the day and the moon to rule the night. Not give light to any word.  @Goodguy. I do not call it insight, I call it misconception.

reverence: regard with feelings of respect and reverence; consider hallowed or exalted or be in awe of; "Fear God as your father"; "We venerate genius"

Fear is an unpleasant feeling of perceived risk or danger, real or not. Fear also can be described as a feeling of extreme dislike to some conditions/objects, such as: fear of darkness, fear of ghosts, etc. It is one of the basic emotions.


two separate definitions of fear. it depends on the context in which you view it.

reverence: regard with feelings of respect and reverence; consider hallowed or exalted or be in awe of; "Fear God as your father"; "We venerate genius"

Fear is an unpleasant feeling of perceived risk or danger, real or not. Fear also can be described as a feeling of extreme dislike to some conditions/objects, such as: fear of darkness, fear of ghosts, etc. It is one of the basic emotions.


two separate definitions of fear. it depends on the context in which you view it.

@ Davidylan. Fair enough, in what context will you apply the scriptures so cited?

the bible was written under the inspiration of God and is thus not subject to any human interpretation.

1 pet 2: 6-8

Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. 7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, 8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

to those that will take the God at His word without question; he shall not be confounded and to those who will question everything they see; the bible is simply a stone of stumbling "whereunto they were appointed".

(Deuteronomy 6:13) We must fear God
(Matthew 22:37) We must love God
(I Peter 2:17) We must fear God
(I John 4:18) Perfect love cannot be mingled with fear.


deut 6:13 simply says, reference God, deify Him, give Him the honor due to his name. ditto for i pet 2:17

the fear in i Jn 4: 18 is refering to another fear

David, What fear is 1 john refering to? Are you saying that the bible was purposely written in ambigous terms? With all regards, I beg to differ. The main issue here is an explanation of the seeming descripancies in the numerous accounts contained in the bible. I am yet to see a meaninful analysis of the said discrepancies or their direct interpretations without the added luggage of dogma. One cannot be expected to swallow literature hook, line and sinker especially if there are parts of the said literature that does not make sense to the reader. It will be unfair to expect people to buy it just because it is deemed as coming from God.

I think some explanations are called for from the people who believe and are not confounded. That means they have the technicality required to decifer the words. I would be glad to see someone give me some meaninful explanations without the attribute of "Thou must believe, because it is the word of God'. What if those same words had been tampered with by man so as to obliterate the original meanings that God intended for them?

very understandable. the bible was never meant to be understood by everyone. the bible was written as a mystery so that those who will believe and would and those who wouldn't...well.

remember when Christ came, he spoke in parables for one reason:

matt 13: 10
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: 15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. 16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. 17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

Elbaron

I do not believe the mentioned passage can be explained away in that manner. Let's take for instance, Genesis 1:5. It states specifically that God commanded "Let there be light.and the evening and the morning were the first day" Period. This passage was not describing the words of God. It was describing the creation of everything that is existent on earth. Including night and day.

No, look more closely:

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved (brooded) upon the face of the waters.
And God said (the Word was born from the brooding of the Spirit of God-the very first spoken Word from the thoughts of God-God is very careful not to speak His thoughts untill He is sure He wants them to happen-because what He says happens-that is why God can not lie-because what He says, comes true-very Powerful Word, wouldn't you think!) Let there be Light: and there was light

The bible says God created the sun to rule the day and the moon to rule the night. Not give light to any word.

His Word is the Light....He wasn't creating here but only speaking the Word into exsistance and to make His Word the Light of Life

You said yourself that the sun and moon was not created till day 4

When you say that God is spirit and can only be seen in spirit, what does it mean? Spirit is defined as The vital principle or animating force within living beings.

Yes, and that is how you must "see" God, with your spirit...not eyes and ears or senses of the flesh

Bless You

RhodaRose

Davidylan

parable is a proverb is a prover

and this was what Jesus was to do....

as you said
That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

RhodaRose

Davidylan, your point is well taken. Now that you believe and the bible is no more a mystery to you, Would you be kind enough as to use those insights gained by your believe to explain the contradictions mentioned in the original thread? Maybe I will see the light and begin to believe as much as you. You would actually have saved a soul from eternal damnation.

RhodaRose, beautifully put, but exactly what, is your point? That the Sun mentioned in the account of the creation is not the sun we see today? And that it should be taken metaphorically as the light that shines on God's word? If that is the case, how was this particular sun created? My dearest, I did not say that God created the moon and the sun on the 4th day. The bible says so. Nothing to do with me. You see my point? These are the contradictions I am talking about. Let us Look at Genesis 1:5 again. It says: " God called the light "Day", and the darkness "night" and there was evening and morning, the first day. So if the sun and moon were not created until the 4th day, when was morning and when was night?" Where did the light come from and the darkness at what point did it emerge? If you contend that it is God's word that was the light mentioned, what about the darkness? Let us look at that passage a bit more critically. By the way, isn't speaking the word into existence considered "Creation" or the art of creating? You will notice that God spoke most things into existence. And at what point do you postulate that God started the creating? And what process did he go through to create. I think you miss the point.

El-Baron

elbaron, i empathize with you. it is very hard to believe what we cannot see. how can we believ a God we do not see and believ a bible we are not even sure who wrote it except by divine inspiration. you re very right.

but let us remember that Abraham (our example of faith) too did not see God, he was not a believer when God commanded him to leave his father and brethren and go to a land that only existed in his dreams.

gen 12: 1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: 2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: 3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. 4 So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.

if we are to put this passage to reasoning, would it sound logical for you as Abram to live a land you had known for 75 yrs to a land "that i will shew thee"?
Remember Abram had no pastors that he could run to to explain the vision to him, he had no body to pray and wait on God with him while he tried to confirm if what he heard was God.
if you were Abram, would you have departed to a land that u did not know?

i will make of thee a great nation, remember Abram had not even a daughter! would that have sounded reasonable to you? but Abram beleived!

Rom 4: 3 tells us the reward for Abram's dogged, illogical, unreasonable believe; Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Today, we all claim to be the " children of Abraham" we all want to claim "Abraham's blessings are mine" yet we find it difficult to believe just as Abraham did, the kind of dogged faith and trust Abraham had in God even when it sounded stupid that a 100yr old man and his 99yr old wife would have a son. the kind of trust he had when more than 40 yrs after leaving Ur, he had yet to see the promised land!

that is the kind of trust God wants from us, the kind that can trust him to the end even when it is not reasonable, for remember:

1 Corinthians 2:14 - But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1 Corinthians 3:19 - For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness

David, at least Abraham had the uncommon advantage of being spoken to directly by God. Now I dont have that advantage. By the way, Abraham knew that it was God who was speaking to him. Why wont he believe? Wouldn't you? At least he had the evidence that he was being spoken to by God. We can hardly say the same. Now, I am supposed to believe an account that doesn't make sense to me? At least it made sense to Abraham that is why he believed. Wont you agree?

What actually seems like contradictions to us aren't actually contradictions. The devil tries as much as possible to make people believe that the word of GOD is not true by making us see vivid examples of where there seems to be contradictions. So unto those that are without, they will never understand these things, no matter how hard they try to input science or logic.

There actually aren't logical ways to explain things like these. That's why it's called MYSTERY.

Goodguy, unless there is another concept to the english language and the words written were written in that different context of the english language, I do not see what the devil has got to do with these.

Elbaron,

beautifully put, but exactly what, is your point? That the Sun mentioned in the account of the creation is not the sun we see today? And that it should be taken metaphorically as the light that shines on God's word? If that is the case, how was this particular sun created?

The sun we see today was created on the 4th day...
Day 1 was the Light of God's word not the light that shines on His Word
The Light of His Word was created on day 1 and the sun we see was created on day 4
all by the spoken Word (thoughts) of God.

My dearest, I did not say that God created the moon and the sun on the 4th day. The bible says so. Nothing to do with me. You see my point? These are the contradictions I am talking about.

Opps, sorry wrong choice of words...you did not say that...

Let us Look at Genesis 1:5 again. It says: " God called the light "Day", and the darkness "night" and there was evening and morning, the first day.
So if the sun and moon were not created until the 4th day, when was morning and when was night?"
Where did the light come from and the darkness at what point did it emerge?
If you contend that it is God's word that was the light mentioned, what about the darkness?
Let us look at that passage a bit more critically.

Ge 1:4
And God saw the Light, that it was good and God divided the Light from the darkness.  (or opposite bad/evil)

Where did the light come from and the darkness at what point did it emerge?

actually it was "emerged" and God divided it.....


Ge 1:5
And God called the Light Day, and the darkness he called night.

by example He created this:

Ge 1:16
And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night

As His spoken Word verses other spoken words...the greater rules in Day (Light) and the lesser rules in night (evil)

By the way, isn't speaking the word into existence considered "Creation" or the art of creating? You will notice that God spoke most things into existence. And at what point do you postulate that God started the creating? And what process did he go through to create. I think you miss the point.

No, I mis-spoke.
Speaking the Word into existence is considered Creation
thought-things unseen into Word-things seen

RhodaRose

Elbaron,

Goodguy said:

The devil tries as much as possible to make people believe that the word of GOD is not true by making us see vivid examples of where there seems to be contradictions. So unto those that are without, they will never understand these things, no matter how hard they try to input science or logic.

The devil (darkness) tries as much as possible to make people believe that the word (Light) of GOD is not true by making us see vivid examples of where there seems to be contradictions (keeping us in the darkness). So unto those that are without (in darkness), they will never understand these things, no matter how hard they try to input science or logic. (until they step out into the Light...remember God divided Light from darkness)

RhodaRose

PS
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Goodguy, unless there is another concept to the english language and the words written were written in that different context of the english language, I do not see what the devil has got to do with these.

God is Spirit and speaks in Spirit, not English or any language know to man.......

Thank you RhodaRose.

@Elbaron; What I have always tried to avoid saying is what I am actually voicing out now. First of all, the devil tries to convince people that he doesn't exist (He has actually succeeded in deceiving many). Therefore, once you believe there's nothing like devil, the ideology behind the existence of God becomes a mystery to you. You therefore see every action you take as phycological/emotional/natural. You do not attach any supernatural meanings to what seems like mysteries, therefore, you start trying to pointlessly use logic to explain what's meant to be supernatural. And since it is supernatural and you can't see such things with your naked eyes or prove them with logic, you simply reach a basless conclusion that THERE'S NO GOD, HENCE, THE BIBLE ISN'T TRUE.

My point is this: There are no contradictions in the Bible. All you pointed out all have explanations which cannot make sense to you, since you only attach literal meanings to them.

Joh 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Very well, goodguy, let us forget the literal meanings for the moment. Would you be kind enough as to point out the spiritual meanings?