Joshuabase:


The problem with Renée's argument is vino. You ask how? According to Renée the only thing you can guarantee is real, is your mind, you can't guarantee that your body is real. You can't guarantee that the phone you're reading this on is real. You only know your mind is real. Because you have the ability to think.

But what if you are one of the holograms in vino's universe*? "I think therefore I am" fails here. Because vino's universe* would have programmed the holograms to believe they are real or else the system breaks down so if you were one if the holograms, you'd believe that you were real even though you aren't. Now how do you know your consciousness isn't faux? Built by the universe for vino?

This is vino's Paradox.

donnffd:


Rene's Argument was not that you are real because you can think, his argument was that if you doubt everything including yourself, you cant doubt the fact that you are doubting, and if there are doubts, then there must be a doubter. Thereby proving you must be a thinker that is real even if everyother thing is not...

Joshuabase:


It still doesn't answer vino's Paradox.

donnffd:


Rene's Argument was not that you are real because you can think, his argument was that if you doubt everything including yourself, you cant doubt the fact that you are doubting, and if there are doubts, then there must be a doubter. Thereby proving you must be a thinker that is real even if everyother thing is not...

Joshuabase:
[size=20pt]Are you real? [/size]
How do you know you're real? How do you know you're not the product of a dream by a 5th dimensional being who's life will end once the being wakes up? How do you know your life isn't a movie being watched by aliens with superior technology ?

Renée Descartes answers this question with
[size=20pt]"I think, therefore I am. "[/size]

Meaning as far as you have the ability to question your own reality, it means you're real. Great right? Question answered, you're real, congratulations.

[size=15pt]But are you really real?[/size]

[size=20pt]Vino's Paradox [/size]

[size=5pt]side note, this is a paradox I discovered myself after watching Baccano!, one of the best anime of all time. [/size]

Vino is a megalomaniac anti hero in the anime Baccano! . He believes that he can't die because the universe was created for him, he believes that he is the only thing that's real in the entirety of the universe. Everybody else is just a hologram set up by the universe to make his story better.

The problem with Renée's argument is vino. You ask how? According to Renée the only thing you can guarantee is real, is your mind, you can't guarantee that your body is real. You can't guarantee that the phone you're reading this on is real. You only know your mind is real. Because you have the ability to think.

But what if you are one of the holograms in vino's universe*? "I think therefore I am" fails here. Because vino's universe* would have programmed the holograms to believe they are real or else the system breaks down so if you were one if the holograms, you'd believe that you were real even though you aren't. Now how do you know your consciousness isn't faux? Built by the universe for vino?

This is vino's Paradox.

Weah96:


How does Vino know that he doesn't exist to complement my own experience? Solipsism is never limited to one individual within a population. Anyone with a brain can assume the position.

ValentineMary:

What if ur ability to doubt was programmed by an extra terrestrial intelligent life to make ur thoughts seem real?
What if ur thoughts are just micro chips connected to a main frame which is a power source and once our chip burns out, we die?
Ur ability to doubt does not grantee ur existence.

donnffd:


Because you are a virtual thinking program in an extra dimensional supercomputer doesnt mean you are not real, infact that is obviously the "Real" you and every other thing you experienced was just simulated to make you feel in a physical world, But as long as you are in that computer making those thoughts, you are REAL.

ValentineMary:

In that sense, a programmed computer can be a real person?

oaroloye:
SHALOM!

You probably do not know this, but "BACA" is Japanese for "IDIOT."

It is when a person is MENTALLY-IMPAIRED that they have time to waste on Idiot Oyinbo Philosophy, that you go study in the University for five years, graduate, and then cannot get a job, because you spent your parents' money pursuing a course for jobless people.

If the son of an illiterate villager asked his father such a dumbass question, he would whip his stupid ass for getting into the Palm Wine this early in the day, and/or stick a cutlass and hoe in his hands.

Somewhere between the 142nd through 1,000th Cassava Heap, the Right Brain Hemisphere and Left Brain Hemisphere will connect, and information will be communicated between them, and he will realize that he really is real- because he has blisters on his hands!

You notice that women don't have time for this nonsense.

How can you leak blood every month, and doubt that you are real?

oaroloye:
SHALOM!

You probably do not know this, but "BACA" is Japanese for "IDIOT."

It is when a person is MENTALLY-IMPAIRED that they have time to waste on Idiot Oyinbo Philosophy, that you go study in the University for five years, graduate, and then cannot get a job, because you spent your parents' money pursuing a course for jobless people.

If the son of an illiterate villager asked his father such a dumbass question, he would whip his stupid ass for getting into the Palm Wine this early in the day, and/or stick a cutlass and hoe in his hands.

Somewhere between the 142nd through 1,000th Cassava Heap, the Right Brain Hemisphere and Left Brain Hemisphere will connect, and information will be communicated between them, and he will realize that he really is real- because he has blisters on his hands!

You notice that women don't have time for this nonsense.

How can you leak blood every month, and doubt that you are real?

oaroloye:
SHALOM!

You probably do not know this, but "BACA" is Japanese for "IDIOT."

It is when a person is MENTALLY-IMPAIRED that they have time to waste on Idiot Oyinbo Philosophy, that you go study in the University for five years, graduate, and then cannot get a job, because you spent your parents' money pursuing a course for jobless people.

If the son of an illiterate villager asked his father such a dumbass question, he would whip his stupid ass for getting into the Palm Wine this early in the day, and/or stick a cutlass and hoe in his hands.

Somewhere between the 142nd through 1,000th Cassava Heap, the Right Brain Hemisphere and Left Brain Hemisphere will connect, and information will be communicated between them, and he will realize that he really is real- because he has blisters on his hands!

You notice that women don't have time for this nonsense.

How can you leak blood every month, and doubt that you are real?

tartar9:
What if Vino's the unreal one,what if the aliens watching us are also themselves movies made by superior aliens who themselves are also movies...and so on.At least we know we're the last of such movies.

Your entire consciousness-thoughts,philosophies,personality,hopes,dreams,fears,pains,joy,anger,love....are just a sum total of your interactions with the world/environment.If it be a mirage,then you yourself are also no less a mirage..

oaroloye:
SHALOM!

You probably do not know this, but "BACA" is Japanese for "IDIOT."