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Re: A Thread Strictly On Evolution And Its Many Fallacies. Seun Alone by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:20pm On Aug 26, 2016
DeSepiero:


Honestly, this sounds silly to me

Its your opinion and it does not make it false .
Re: A Thread Strictly On Evolution And Its Many Fallacies. Seun Alone by idris4r83(m): 8:28pm On Aug 26, 2016
Seun:
It's all we've got, so we should make the most of it.
little knowledge of science makes man an atheist but indepth study of science makes him a believer of God. If earth is all we've got then theres no point living.

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Re: A Thread Strictly On Evolution And Its Many Fallacies. Seun Alone by Pidggin(f): 8:44pm On Aug 26, 2016
Seun:

The point is in enjoying the good things that life has to offer and helping others to do the same
. And in contributing some things to the world that will continue to help others to enjoy the pleasures of life even after we are long dead. When we talk about pleasures, religious people think we are talking about food and sex, but that's far from it. We are highly intelligent apes and our greatest pleasures are intellectual.


It's not unusual to have a dream that's related to what's happening in reality. When I was younger, if I had a dream about urinating, my bed would be wet when I woke up. Sometimes what people are saying around you gets incorporated into your dream. These things happen. Here's how to know that your dream was not real. Your dream of ppl trying to revive you will not exactly match what actually happened. Also, the white place you found doesn't represent anything written in the bible about the afterlife. We dream about all sorts of nonsense.

If that's the whole point of life what of those who can't enjoy it due to the circumstances or conditions that they find themselves in, what of the sick suffering from incurable illnesses, the mentally retarded, the clinically depressed, severely handicapped, prisoners in for life, etc? If this is where it all ends then this people might as well end it all themselves instead of living in misery with no hope for a better after-life or what do we tell such people, what will be the justification in giving such a person hope if it ends here?

Even those who have the privilege of living well and giving to humanity still cannot predict how long this privilege will last. A man is rich today and poor tomorrow, he is well today but may have stroke tomorrow, he may have a wife and kids today but loose them to an unfortunate incident tomorrow so where is the comfort and assurance that all will remain as it is in this uncertain world?

Dream? I don't remember mentioning dream in my previous post. I said it was a real experience which happened. I have experienced even more than this.
Re: A Thread Strictly On Evolution And Its Many Fallacies. Seun Alone by peacesamuel94(m): 10:59pm On Aug 26, 2016
pls I need your reply I quoted your post on a thread that says God is not real @pidgin
Re: A Thread Strictly On Evolution And Its Many Fallacies. Seun Alone by Seun(m): 11:05pm On Aug 26, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
well she is not the person reviving herself how then did she realise that she was been revived in the first place.
The people trying to revive her would have been making a lot of noise. "She fainted!" "Pour water!" "Abrada cambra shokolo grin goree!' The human mind is not yet very well understood; we are capable of having all sorts of fascinating experiences that exist only in our minds.

Pidggin:
If that's the whole point of life what of those who can't enjoy it due to the circumstances or conditions that they find themselves in, what of the sick suffering from incurable illnesses, the mentally retarded, the clinically depressed, severely handicapped, prisoners in for life, etc? If this is where it all ends then this people might as well end it all themselves instead of living in misery with no hope for a better after-life or what do we tell such people, what will be the justification in giving such a person hope if it ends here?
I think you are underestimating the ability of human beings to cope with reality. People can find things to enjoy even in the worst situations. Instead of giving people false hopes, let's give them real help. Let's put more efforts into preventing, managing and eventually, finding the cure to incurable diseases. Let's encourage clinically depressed people to seek psychiatric help and remind them to take their meds when they forget, which they often do. Let's be kind and helpful to those who are physically and mentally handicapped. We need not resort to false hopes.

Even those who have the privilege of living well and giving to humanity still cannot predict how long this privilege will last. A man is rich today and poor tomorrow, he is well today but may have stroke tomorrow, he may have a wife and kids today but loose them to an unfortunate incident tomorrow so where is the comfort and assurance that all will remain as it is in this uncertain world?
When you identify the risks that you face, you can take steps to minimize the chances of them happening. If a rich man lives below his means and invests rationally, the risk of being poor tomorrow is greatly reduced. The risk of losing your wife and kids is greatly reduced by taking strict precautions to ensure their safety. The comfort and assurance comes from knowing that you have taken steps to minimize the likely risks.

Dream? I don't remember mentioning dream in my previous post. I said it was a real experience which happened. I have experienced even more than this.
What makes you feel it was real? Since you merely fainted and didn't die, why would your 'soul' have left your body?

idris4r83:
little knowledge of science makes man an atheist but in depth study of science makes him a believer of God. If earth is all we've got then theres no point living.
If this is true, we would expect most of the top scientists in the world to be believers. I don't think this is the case, but I haven't checked.

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Re: A Thread Strictly On Evolution And Its Many Fallacies. Seun Alone by Pidggin(f): 12:49am On Aug 27, 2016
Seun:




I think you are underestimating the ability of human beings to cope with reality. People can find things to enjoy even in the worst situations. Instead of giving people false hopes, let's give them real help. Let's put more efforts into preventing, managing and eventually, finding the cure to incurable diseases. Let's encourage clinically depressed people to seek psychiatric help and remind them to take their meds when they forget, which they often do. Let's be kind and helpful to those who are physically and mentally handicapped. We need not resort to false hopes.


When you identify the risks that you face, you can take steps to minimize the chance of that happening. If a rich man lives below his means and invests rationally, the risk of being poor tomorrow is greatly reduced. The risk of losing your wife and kids is greatly reduced by taking strict precautions to ensure their safety. The comfort and assurance comes from knowing that you have taken steps to minimize the likely risks

What makes you feel it was real? Since you merely fainted and didn't die
, why would your 'soul' have left your body?

http://www.livescience.com/36053-church-goers-blood-pressure.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/16/everlasting-life-how-going-to-church-could-help-you-live-longer/


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/going-church-kills-cancer-reduces-7980755

False hope? Even science doesn't think so smiley


Life is uncertain no matter how well prepared we are for it. My aunt who pampered her son and sent him to hi-school and college in US still lost him only last week. He died in his sleep, he has health insurance.

It was real because I was watching what they were doing to revive me from a short distance but for that brief period it seemed like I was not in the body they were trying to revive.
Re: A Thread Strictly On Evolution And Its Many Fallacies. Seun Alone by Pidggin(f): 12:51am On Aug 27, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


Your bedwetting analogy only works since you are the person urinating , well she is not the person reviving herself how then did she realise that she was been revived in the first place .

@Pidgin : Did you see yourself wearing the same clothes in the same location during this experience while unconscious ?

Yes
Re: A Thread Strictly On Evolution And Its Many Fallacies. Seun Alone by DeSepiero(m): 7:31am On Aug 27, 2016
Pidggin:


It was real because I was watching what they were doing to revive me from a short distance but for that brief period it seemed like I was not in the body they were trying to revive.

Can you stop already?
You were simply dreaming.
By the way, you could be lying
Re: A Thread Strictly On Evolution And Its Many Fallacies. Seun Alone by wirinet(m): 8:48am On Aug 27, 2016
This thread is dead on arrival by making seun the only respondent. First seun is not an authority on biological evolution, and secondly seun would not have the time for long senseless arguments with you. Finally, it is senseless to restrict the thread to only two people, it makes it look like you are only interested in an ego contest with spectators viewing.

Authorities on evolution on nairaland are Jonnydon22, cloudgoddess, yours truly, and a few others I can't remember now.I for one lack the time to engage in such a debate, maybe if you throw the challenge to Jonny or cloudgoddess, they might oblige you.

A caveat; Atheism and Evolution are not mutually exclusive. One can believe in one without believing in the other.

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Re: A Thread Strictly On Evolution And Its Many Fallacies. Seun Alone by ValentineMary(m): 11:56am On Aug 27, 2016
naijadeyhia:


You are quick to respond to pidggin but not to me? It shows that Atheism is synonymous with cowardice! So you cannot defend your Atheistic beliefs to an individual but you can conveniently mingle with the crowd and once in a while pop up and drop a statement and then vanish again. lol......Seun the Guerrilla warfare specialist for Atheism..lmao
Dude u opened a similar thread where u tried to disprove evolution after correcting u, you were quiet on the topic for some weeks, now u are doing this. smh
Re: A Thread Strictly On Evolution And Its Many Fallacies. Seun Alone by Nobody: 12:02pm On Aug 27, 2016
ValentineMary:

Dude u opened a similar thread where u tried to disprove evolution after correcting u, you were quiet on the topic for some weeks, now u are doing this. smh


Stop giving falso testimony. I was never corrected because none of you could convincingly defend it plus I chose to be quiet since nobody could say anything meaningful. So stop getting ahead of yourself.

Here we have someone who keeps pushing forward images and making fallacious statementd in defence of evolution which is a clear indicator that he has a certain depth of knowledge about it to be in defense of it so what stops him from showing me just how deep this knowledge is to make him an advocate of it.

Besides I am too laid back today to be mentioned by you so pls do not mention me again...let me enjoy my saturday.

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Re: A Thread Strictly On Evolution And Its Many Fallacies. Seun Alone by ValentineMary(m): 12:08pm On Aug 27, 2016
naijadeyhia:



Stop giving falso testimony. I was never corrected because none of you could convincingly defend it plus I chose to be quiet since nobody could say anything meaningful. So stop getting ahead of yourself.

Here we have someone who keeps pushing forward images and making fallacious statementd in defence of evolution which is a clear indicator that he has a certain depth of knowledge about it to be in defense of it so what stops him from showing me just how deep this knowledge is to make him an advocate of it.

Besides I am too laid back today to be mentioned by you so pls do not mention me again...let me enjoy my saturday.
Lolz u could not ans 90% of the qus I asked u on evolution yet I ans almost all ur qus until u kept shut. Ahhh people can lie sha.
Re: A Thread Strictly On Evolution And Its Many Fallacies. Seun Alone by Nobody: 12:11pm On Aug 27, 2016
ValentineMary:

Lolz u could not ans 90% of the qus I asked u on evolution yet I ans almost all ur qus until u kept shut. Ahhh people can lie sha.


Lwtmb....you asked me questions on evolution and I could not answer? Atheists can lie sha...like peak milk its in you.
Re: A Thread Strictly On Evolution And Its Many Fallacies. Seun Alone by ValentineMary(m): 6:47pm On Aug 27, 2016
naijadeyhia:



Lwtmb....you asked me questions on evolution and I could not answer? Atheists can lie sha...like peak milk its in you.
Wait a sec, on that thread u promised to open another thread to show people how humans came about since u could prove evolution false. U failed to open that thread and u failed to prove evolution wrong. U did not ans the qus on mutation, drug resistance, etc. Should I site the link to remind u of it?
Re: A Thread Strictly On Evolution And Its Many Fallacies. Seun Alone by pablobellins(m): 10:26pm On Aug 27, 2016
Seun:

The people trying to revive her would have been making a lot of noise. "She fainted!" "Pour water!" "Abrada cambra shokolo grin goree!' The human mind is not yet very well understood; we are capable of having all sorts of fascinating experiences that exist only in our minds.


I think you are underestimating the ability of human beings to cope with reality. People can find things to enjoy even in the worst situations. Instead of giving people false hopes, let's give them real help. Let's put more efforts into preventing, managing and eventually, finding the cure to incurable diseases. Let's encourage clinically depressed people to seek psychiatric help and remind them to take their meds when they forget, which they often do. Let's be kind and helpful to those who are physically and mentally handicapped. We need not resort to false hopes.


When you identify the risks that you face, you can take steps to minimize the chances of them happening. If a rich man lives below his means and invests rationally, the risk of being poor tomorrow is greatly reduced. The risk of losing your wife and kids is greatly reduced by taking strict precautions to ensure their safety. The comfort and assurance comes from knowing that you have taken steps to minimize the likely risks.

What makes you feel it was real? Since you merely fainted and didn't die, why would your 'soul' have left your body?

If this is true, we would expect most of the top scientists in the world to be believers. I don't think this is the case, but I haven't checked.
then you check Mr seun
Re: A Thread Strictly On Evolution And Its Many Fallacies. Seun Alone by MuttleyLaff: 8:33am On Aug 30, 2016
Seun:
The point is in enjoying the good things that life has to offer and helping others to do the same.
And in contributing some things to the world that will continue to help others to enjoy the pleasures of life even after we are long dead
We know how that has so far helped us today

Seun:
When we talk about pleasures, religious people think we are talking about food and sex, but that's far from it
Religious people or the bible is thinking of pleasure to be any form of gratification, stemming from selfish ambitions etcetera
and not pleasure being just about food or sex

Having said that, once aware of a few facts, one is able to be understand why food or sex moves to the forefront

Seun:
We are highly intelligent apes and our greatest pleasures are intellectual
Love him or hate him, you have to admire Seun's chutzpah and unapologetic slipped in ''We are highly intelligent apes'' remark
Yep highly intelligent apes and of the genus Homo, but doesnt shade the fact that we are fearfully and wonderfully made beings

Not sure how much Seun knows that, he is in many ways, so much on to something very important with that remark
Re: A Thread Strictly On Evolution And Its Many Fallacies. Seun Alone by Kay17: 9:04am On Aug 30, 2016
naijadeyhia:



Stop giving falso testimony. I was never corrected because none of you could convincingly defend it plus I chose to be quiet since nobody could say anything meaningful. So stop getting ahead of yourself.

Here we have someone who keeps pushing forward images and making fallacious statementd in defence of evolution which is a clear indicator that he has a certain depth of knowledge about it to be in defense of it so what stops him from showing me just how deep this knowledge is to make him an advocate of it.

Besides I am too laid back today to be mentioned by you so pls do not mention me again...let me enjoy my saturday.

How you think Science works?

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