truthmans2012:


Those are ordinances of men. God didn't talk about them.

Seun:

At least 2 - 3 of those prayers fall within working hours. And muslim prayers are so elaborate; they requires special room with prayer mats and kettles of water for cleaning. That means employed muslims must be given permission to leave their offices 2 - 3 times daily just to pray.

ShiaMuslim:


Oga, we pray five prayers in three periods of time. In the Quran the day is divided into three periods (in Surah al Israa).

The five prayers are the same for both Sunni and Shia. Same number of units for each. We simply pray the noon and afternoon prayers right after each other; and the sunset and night prayers right after each other.

There's no harm in spacing them as Sunnis do either.

We pray five times, we pray five prayers but we space them differently. The timings are different.

truthmans2012:


They had internal conflict, they weren't going killing unbelievers.

truthmans2012:


I know you won't understand. Spiritual things are for the spiritual minds.

Let's face front, treat the subject of the thread.

Seun:
If they had reduced it to 1 or 2 daily prayers, Islam would have done much better. The burden of having to pray 5 times a day is just too much.

Empiree:
Besides, 5 daily prayer may also be performed on the go, in sitting, on the plane, train, car. You can even pray by moving your head and eyes if you are in unconducive environment.

talkingtruth:
What if it remains 50 times as Allah originally intended?

Seun:

Interesting. Can you provide the scriptural backing for this view? It seems other muslims I've spoken to aren't aware of this.


Then this section wouldn't even exist.

truthmans2012:

My observation here is: Moses appears
more knowledgeable than Allah knowing that 50 prayers a day is not practicable. The fact that Allah kept reducing it till it got to 5 shows Moses was correct. Is Allah all-knowing?

So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings.

8 And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden.

9 Then the Lord God called to Adam and said to him, “Where are you?"

10 So he said, “I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself.”

Seun:

Interesting. Can you provide the scriptural backing for this view? It seems other muslims I've spoken to aren't aware of this.

truthmans2012:
In what was termed Muhammad's one-night journey to heaven, he and all muslims were commanded to pray 50 times daily. As he was said to be leaving the presence of Allah, he met Moses on the way, who asked him what command he was given by Allah. Muhammad told him he was ordered to be praying 50 times a day. Moses said that was too much and that he should go back to Allah and get it reduced. Muhammad went back to Allah severally until it was reduced to 5.

Then Allah enjoined fifty prayers on my followers. When I returned with this order of Allah, I passed by Moses who asked me, "What has Allah enjoined on your followers?" I replied, "He has enjoined fifty prayers on them". Moses said "Go back to your Lord (and appeal for reduction) for your followers will not be able to bear it". (Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 1, p. 213).

My observation here is: Moses appears
more knowledgeable than Allah knowing that 50 prayers a day is not practicable. The fact that Allah kept reducing it till it got to 5 shows Moses was correct. Is Allah all-knowing?

truthmans2012:


They had internal conflict, they weren't going killing unbelievers.

masseratti:
you studied Nigerian history and you missed usthman Dan fodio.

yazach:


British ambassador and his wife embraced Islam
Check this thread to see your miserable life and unprofitable business you are doing

https://www.nairaland.com/3349731/british-ambassador-embraces-islam-performs/1#49421755

talkingtruth:


For every one convert to Islam, there is a thousand coming from Islam to Christianity, but we don't make noise about it.

Many muslims have seen Jesus even in Islamic nations and today they are Christians.

talkingtruth:


For every one convert to Islam, there is a thousand coming from Islam to Christianity, but we don't make noise about it.

Many muslims have seen Jesus even in Islamic nations and today they are Christians.

“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it"

Perhaps:



You know when i told you, you shot yourself in the foot, i really meant it.
Your reply proves you hardly even know the meaning of the expression.

Anyway, i'm not your English teacher(that is if you actually did go to school), so, i wont disturb myself with explaining what it means to you.

To your original post.

You spewed all of this trash.


Good observation. And that is exactly how it is. If Moses had not asked Muhammad it would have been different. There is the similar story in the Bible Abraham pleading with God not to Destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. He wanted God to spare the righteous people who lived in there. God all knowing knew as big as the city is, only Lot and his family are righteous. He did what He had to do even with Abraham bargaining, God still destroy Sodom. But In Islam, Allah can be controlled by Angels and even man did change allahs word and Muhammad accepted. grin Quran if full of strorie from the bible. The problem with the quran is that after much copy and modify. Muhammad ended up in contradicting himself.


In reference to what i said to thruthman earlier today, your post proves you are really really really a very big hypocrite.

You mentioned Abraham pleading with God and God not listening to his plea(This one sentence is painfully the summary of everyone you typed up there.)

Now, what does this mean:

1. If we are to go ahead with your analogy, it'd simply mean God does not accept pleading.
Yeah. It'd mean God doesn't answer prayers. It'd mean all you do in church(That is if you actually do go to church) is useless.
Why?
Well, if God answers prayers/pleading, he'd have answered Abraham's prayers.
I mean, come to think of it. Abraham was one of God's finest.
And then God told him no.

So, whats the whole point of you praying if you know you can't change God's mind?



2. How about the places in the Bible where it was recorded that Moses changed God's mind?
If you deny the existence of such verses, it simply means you're either really ignorant of your religion(or whatever you Christianity is) or you're just terribly blind.

In any situation, you're and still going to always be My very own little hypocrite

yazach:


British ambassador and his wife embraced Islam
Check this thread to see your miserable life and unprofitable business you are doing

https://www.nairaland.com/3349731/british-ambassador-embraces-islam-performs/1#49421755

talkingtruth:


For every one convert to Islam, there is a thousand coming from Islam to Christianity, but we don't make noise about it.

Many muslims have seen Jesus even in Islamic nations and today they are Christians.

Seun:
If they had reduced it to 1 or 2 daily prayers, Islam would have done much better. The burden of having to pray 5 times a day is just too much.

yazach:


If you had reduced nairaland links page to crime, religion and politics, nairaland would have done much better. The burden of having to check many sections/pages of nairaland is just too much

yazach:
If you had reduced nairaland links page to crime, religion and politics, nairaland would have done much better. The burden of having to check many sections/pages of nairaland is just too much

talkingtruth:


For every one convert to Islam, there is a thousand coming from Islam to Christianity, but we don't make noise about it.

Many muslims have seen Jesus even in Islamic nations and today they are Christians.

talkingtruth:


For every one convert to Islam, there is a thousand coming from Islam to Christianity, but we don't make noise about it.

Many muslims have seen Jesus even in Islamic nations and today they are Christians.

Seun:
You are not required to check the sections. If it was a requirement to check every section, that would have been too much, of course.

plappville:


What's so important about that? Oh just because He is an ambassador? It sounds to you that a MAN bit a DOG umm? Despirate Muslim. Surely doing all they can to dominate the world..

Seun:
If they had reduced it to 1 or 2 daily prayers, Islam would have done much better. The burden of having to pray 5 times a day is just too much.

Antina:


How did u knw is a burden? Have u tried it? Has someone complained to u?

BetaThings:


Hahaha
Unbelievers try all the time to bring others to their dark side
If no of daily prayers is reduced to 1, will he believe?

BetaThings:


BTW it is not a burden for them to spend hours on end daily scouring the nooks and crannies of the net to dredge out hare-brained criticism of Islam
This is the same person who colluded with Christian bigots to paint Muslims as intolerant on Nairaland by saying "don't abuse Islam" etc

He used to push stories about Muslim-dominated Sudan's alleged atrocities against the Mainly-Christian Southern part of the country onto the front page of Nairaland
Now that Christian South Sudan has become independent and descended into a very very dangerous and anarchic country,
They have colluded to conceal that information

Or is he not opening threads on Islam
Is he doing so about Christianity?

annunaki2:


The more annoying thing is that his so called journey to heaven was just a story he cooked up when he was caught pants down in his mistress house when he was meant to be observing vigil. He then fabricated the lies that he bargained with Allah on how many times they should pray daily.

truthmans2012:


Soo revealing!!!