DABMarkNig2019:

not on human body but on aliens and plants abi? If only you know the science of drug formulation and delivery you wouldn't be here appealing to the human mind. To a Nigerian doctor all a pharmacist can do is dispense and formulate drugs and the ripple effect is what our health care system is today. patients don't travel to India for medical help because of pharmacists but the doctors. pharmacists are advancing their scope of practice to render better services to the patients, don't you think doctors should do same to their practice instead of fighting and antagonising every effort of the pharmacists?

I do not have time to fully culture your ignorance.

First of all ,before the pharm d program pharmacists major role was drug manufacturing, dispensing and control.

People undergo medical tourism for various reasons the doctor being the least excuse. Let me fill you up on various reasons.

1. First, medical record keeping is poor because of understaffing and you queue for hours before getting care. Why then won't you go abroad?

2. Because of our economic downturn (eg exchange rate), cost of a procedure is far more expensive than it is abroad.why won't you rather go?

3. There are few machines available for doctors and pathologists to make diagnosis. Hence we might not diagnose the correct conditions. it the doctor's fault ?

4. The few places that have the machines are overwhelmed hence the wait time is high and their breakdown rate is high.is that the doctor's fault?

5. Nigerians do not present early to hospital.they prefer herbal and self medication.. When the condition is critical ,they present to hospital when its too late.
They are then told there is no facility for handling end stage condition. Is that also the doctor's fault or the patient?

6. Specialists are few in Nigeria assuming you need a procedure eg a laminectomy and the neurosurgeon has a list of 40 emergency cases before your turn, will you not go abroad?
Do you know that 3 neurosurgeons serve delta,edo and environs alone + (God bless Drs Udoh,Azeez and Obeta,selfless men)

7 Do you even know that Nigerian trained doctors are the majority of non American specialists in the US?
Just go and watch the movie Concussion .

I can go in and on but your hate will not allow you proper assimilation of my points.

Pharm D is a six year course, as it is no nody that is any Nigerian university or a graduate of Nigerian university is Pharm D, those that may be called doctors of pharmacy are still in secondary school and have not written JAMB for that.

What I see happening in future is those with Pharm D will be looking down on those with B.Pharm, it's all about ego

naptu2:
There's going to be war.

Will NMA allow them to be called doctors?

There won't be any war. Pharm D is recognized globally and has been offered by UNIBEN for many years.

PS: I am a medical doctor

nony43:
So theirs is now B.phd ? Or what?

nope! its P.hD in pharmacy.

eleojo23:



There are job descriptions for every member of the health care team.
A pharmacist knows his limitation.
Even among doctors, they have limitations. That is why you have specialists.
For instance, a General practitioner and a paediatrician are both doctors but when you have a paediatric case, the GP knows that he has to allow the paediatrician handle the patient because he is not an expert in that area.

The same applies across the other medical disciplines.
The pharmacist has his area of specialization so does the doctor.

Oh! You modified your post.

I know all that, but unfortunately it has not stopped the bickering. Read the comment of the former president of the PSN (Tony Akhimien) in the article I posted above, read the comments on this thread and read this comment below (from the other thread).

Pennywise:
Everybody wants to be a doctor withour having to go through the stiff competition and rigors that medical school entails. The pharmacists, the optometrists also recently started a 6 yr program and are now called doctors doing all kinds of things including seting iv lines in phamacies and 'optometry clinics'. I wonder what the nurses, physiotherapists and radiographers are still waiting for. Truly competent unionists perhaps?.

Pharmacists and Optometrists who left school long bf this fraudulent scheme was contrived are brandishing complimentry cards appending 'Dr' to their names. We dont know who is a real doctor anymore n Nigeria.

Pharmacists have since abdicated their roles in the health sector to traders and are now looking for fertile grounds by corrupting an allied profession. Pharma practice in Nigeria has stagnated in Nigeria so badly. While breakthroughs are being reported in other countries their only achievement in Nigeria is being called doctors.

But the sad part of this is that if u want to be a doctor and still legitimately proceed with your parmaceutical dreams, U can. They are called clinical pharmacologists and the country has many of them. But these charlatans want a short quick route. Why not? Everything goes in Nigeria.

For those who are quick to draw a parallel with what is obtainable in the US and other countries, the Nigerian Pharm D is a fraud for many reasons I dont have the time to go into. Ghana started bc they saw Nigeria and many other countries with vocal trade unions will soon follow.

The Nigerian pharmacists have simply taken the fight against doctors to a whole new level and they consider this a victory in what is no more than licensed quackery. The consequence is a chaotic health sector where nothing appears to be what it seems.

Perhaps this wouldnt have happened if doctors out of selfishness have not tenaciously held on to leadership of the health sector in appointments to political and administrative positions! God help Nigeria.

hUmaneOne:


I do not have time to fully culture your ignorance.

First of all ,before the pharm d program pharmacists major role was drug manufacturing, dispensing and control.

People undergo medical tourism for various reasons the doctor being the least excuse. Let me fill you up on various reasons.

1. First, medical record keeping is poor because of understaffing and you queue for hours before getting care. Why then won't you go abroad?

2. Because of our economic downturn (eg exchange rate), cost of a procedure is far more expensive than it is abroad.why won't you rather go?

3. There are few machines available for doctors and pathologists to make diagnosis. Hence we might not diagnose the correct conditions. it the doctor's fault ?

4. The few places that have the machines are overwhelmed hence the wait time is high and their breakdown rate is high.is that the doctor's fault?

5. Nigerians do not present early to hospital.they prefer herbal and self medication.. When the condition is critical ,they present to hospital when its too late.
They are then told there is no facility for handling end stage condition. Is that also the doctor's fault or the patient?

6. Specialists are few in Nigeria assuming you need a procedure eg a laminectomy and the neurosurgeon has a list of 40 emergency cases before your turn, will you not go abroad?
Do you know that 3 neurosurgeons serve delta,edo and environs alone + (God bless Drs Udoh,Azeez and Obeta,selfless men)

7 Do you even know that Nigerian trained doctors are the majority of non American specialists in the US?
Just go and watch the movie Concussion .

I can go in and on but your hate will not allow you proper assimilation of my points.

I ask a simple question, just say the answer to yourself.

Kelyto:
which one b D.MLS abeg mk dem go chill... It's nowhere found in the world

http://uolisb.edu.pk/dmls.php -Pakistan

http://regluv.com/uds-department-of-biomedical-science-entry-requirements/ -Ghana

https://shp.utmb.edu/ClinicalLaboratorySciences/DCLSprogram.asp -USA

http://shp.rutgers.edu/dept/CLS/DCLS/ -USA

That's what DMLS is all about it had started but was suspended by the NUC same way PharmD was but soon it will continue again

DABMarkNig2019:

I ask a simple question, just say the answer to yourself.

The doctors are doing the very best they can .The pharmacists scope is far less than then the doctors so they have far less to accomplish except drug manufacturing which is zero for them.

I bet you, a US trained doc cannot work comfortably here

people just want to see smoke even when there is no fire. hmmmm
though am still in medical school, I give my hearty congratulations to my friends in the noble profession (pharmacy). its a unique field and anything that will make a professional happy in the dispatch of his duties should be made available for such people. I dream to see a world where medical doctors can walk up to a pharm. D and ask which drug is best suitable for this ailment I have diagnosed? and where a Pham.D can quietly draw the attention of a doctor when his prescription hasn't met with standard without making fool of him in front of a patient.
As for the pay, leave that to the employer of labour. if you want money, don't study pharmacy or medicine.
for the greater good of the health sector, let's join hands to see that the pharmacist are happy
congratulations to our doctors of pharmacy.

Greed,Frustration,Jealousy is all i'm seeing in some people's comments.
PLEASE respect yourself, at least Google pharm.D and know what it is before spewing trash. thank you.

Sirkris:
people just want to see smoke even when there is no fire. hmmmm
though am still in medical school, I give my hearty congratulations to my friends in the noble profession (pharmacy). its a unique field and anything that will make a professional happy in the dispatch of his duties should be made available for such people. I dream to see a world where medical doctors can walk up to a pharm. D and ask which drug is best suitable for this ailment I have diagnosed? and where a Pham.D can quietly draw the attention of a doctor when his prescription hasn't met with standard without making fool of him in front of a patient.
As for the pay, leave that to the employer of labour. if you want money, don't study pharmacy or medicine.
for the greater good of the health sector, let's join hands to see that the pharmacist are happy
congratulations to our doctors of pharmacy.

I see a bright future for medical practice in Nigeria with this post.

It shows maturity.

Keep it up.

Sirkris:
people just want to see smoke even when there is no fire. hmmmm
though am still in medical school, I give my hearty congratulations to my friends in the noble profession (pharmacy). its a unique field and anything that will make a professional happy in the dispatch of his duties should be made available for such people. I dream to see a world where medical doctors can walk up to a pharm. D and ask which drug is best suitable for this ailment I have diagnosed? and where a Pham.D can quietly draw the attention of a doctor when his prescription hasn't met with standard without making fool of him in front of a patient.
As for the pay, leave that to the employer of labour. if you want money, don't study pharmacy or medicine.
for the greater good of the health sector, let's join hands to see that the pharmacist are happy
congratulations to our doctors of pharmacy.

And the best comment goes to.......

Jesuobu:
These change people are really changing things from bad to worse.

You really have probem for sure

hUmaneOne:


Let me add to that..
The D.MLS is a postgraduate doctoral degree which can be gotten after msc..
You are making it seem like it's a first degree like Pharm D

Its not after Msc it's first degree for starters and a conversion for those with bachelor (2 years conversion)

https://shp.utmb.edu/ClinicalLaboratorySciences/DCLSprogram.asp

http://uolisb.edu.pk/dmls.php

hUmaneOne:
optometrists have always been called doctors as well. NMA doesn't give sh1it about pharm d and titles

They only want a distinction between a Medical Doctor and a Pharm D graduate because majority of Nigerians are gullible and will see someone bearing Dr, and assume falsely they are licensed to diagnose and treat diseases.

Best response on thread.

It's a bigger problem because many pharmacist practise and some carry out surgeon work in their makeshift shops under the guise of acting like a doctor, now worse "may" happen because they just earn it!

The title should be thought about very very well before being issued! Last time I checked OAU, Pharmacy is still 5yrs course, no specialisation like they have it in Medicine/Surgery, no horsemanship, just 5yrs and you earn a title of "Doctorate"?

I think they could just load their curriculum with one more year to spend in university to make 6yrs and a year of some clinical.

nelszx:


http://uolisb.edu.pk/dmls.php -Pakistan

http://regluv.com/uds-department-of-biomedical-science-entry-requirements/ -Ghana

https://shp.utmb.edu/ClinicalLaboratorySciences/DCLSprogram.asp -USA

http://shp.rutgers.edu/dept/CLS/DCLS/ -USA

That's what DMLS is all about it had started but was suspended by the NUC same way PharmD was but soon it will continue again

DMLS is quite laughable... Have guys survived the oppression by pathologist... Have dey survived the technologist Dat are bent on pushing them out of practice... Dey should calm down ooo... There's nothing like Dat DMLS whatever.... It's a joke... We only hv MBBS & PHARM D..... Dats all dats all

Kelyto:

DMLS is quite laughable... Have guys survived the oppression by pathologist... Have dey survived the technologist Dat are bent on pushing them out of practice... Dey should calm down ooo... There's nothing like Dat DMLS whatever.... It's a joke... We only hv MBBS & PHARM D..... Dats all dats all

You can close down the schools running DMLS/DCLS program since there's nothing like that. No MLS is under the oppression by who did you call dem. Different scope, different work. And it may interest you we didn't clamour for it the WHO and the Institute of Medicine(IoM) brought up the idea and it may interest you it has support from the people you call oppressor. You know why over there they belong to one body and family (ASCP and FRCPath). If a neighbouring Ghana and S/Africa has started it just with time, after re-approval from the NUC it'd start again.

The sky is too big for every bird to fly

next update will be like ; "NUC denies approval of Doctor of Pharmacy"

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Chascop:
next update will be like ; "NUC denies approval of Doctor of Pharmacy"

Bad belle guy... Don't worry it can't happen... The new NUC provided the approval letter on Wednesday to our ever hardworking psn president Pharm Ahmed Yakassai ... I can show you the pics or you can browse it... No going baky.. Pharm D, signed, sealed, over approved..... Only incompetent n unexposed Dr will be afraid of this development... They fear encroachment... Dey fear pharmacist will take over dia profession... Well they have reasons to fear... They have long over destroyed oda profession like introduction of quack and eliza nurses and training of ssce holders to dispense drug in some of their mushroom hospitals... Anyway pharm D is for the good of everyone... Pharmacist know dia scope... Dr should as well work with dia defined boundaries.... For DMLS, dey should gaaan sit down.... Nowhere in the world do we have such a thing... Soon nurses, and every oda person go be Dr even med records officers...Lol... E no go easy ooo....

macdanny2000:
Wow! This is good news. now doctors can hug transformer due to jealousy. very arrogant set of people that wants to be the only health care delivery in the country. they don't like any other field of medical practice... I don't know why?

The curriculum and job specifications remain the same, so, what's your point?

Alhaji1970:


Very soon everybody working in the hospital will soon be addressed as Dr. We already have Dr of Optometry for people who specialize in eye glasses and are already in battle with Medical specialists that take care of eye diseases, do surgeries and recommend eye glasses (that optometrists then dispense!). Soon these Dr. of Pharmacy will want to do ward round, run out patients clinics, etc.
Dr. of Medical Laboratory Sciences is loading as well as Dr. of Social Work, Dr. of Psychology, Dr. of Nursing, Dr. of Hospital Attendants, etc

O good Lord, deliver us!

Emm, just to point it out that most if not all other health professionals in Nigeria are as ignorant as the ill-informed masses, about the duties of the pharmacist in healthcare delivery. With reference to the above post coming from a supposedly informed medical doctor, pls b informed that going for ward rounds is an integral part of the duties of a hospital pharmacist- that is how its done in sane climates with standard settings such as the U.S.. However its being fought against right here in Nigeria by the doctors cos of lack
Of proper orientation and misplaced priorities such as unnecessary pride.

InyinyaAgbaOku:

The curriculum and job specifications remain the same, so, what's your point?

. U mean u want the oppression by Mbbs holder over other health workers to continue?

DABMarkNig2019:

But can't a pharmacist diagnosed and treat diseases too? You may have a better knowledge of diagnosing some diseases than the pharmacists but he gat a more superior knowledge of pharmacology and therapeutics than you. That's why you work together as a team. No single sets of professionals can work successfully alone in the care of their patients except the Nigerian kind of physicians who knows it all. That's the reason why our hospitals are "mere consulting clinics"

will you just shut up because you know nothing; These are the people who feign medical doctors for quick money. A pharmacist is not trained to diagnose nor prescribe medications and I will continue to avow this..Every health professional has distinct roles they play; This is the globally acclaimed principle.

hUmaneOne:


I do not have time to fully culture your ignorance.

First of all ,before the pharm d program pharmacists major role was drug manufacturing, dispensing and control.

People undergo medical tourism for various reasons the doctor being the least excuse. Let me fill you up on various reasons.

1. First, medical record keeping is poor because of understaffing and you queue for hours before getting care. Why then won't you go abroad?

2. Because of our economic downturn (eg exchange rate), cost of a procedure is far more expensive than it is abroad.why won't you rather go?

3. There are few machines available for doctors and pathologists to make diagnosis. Hence we might not diagnose the correct conditions. it the doctor's fault ?

4. The few places that have the machines are overwhelmed hence the wait time is high and their breakdown rate is high.is that the doctor's fault?

5. Nigerians do not present early to hospital.they prefer herbal and self medication.. When the condition is critical ,they present to hospital when its too late.
They are then told there is no facility for handling end stage condition. Is that also the doctor's fault or the patient?

6. Specialists are few in Nigeria assuming you need a procedure eg a laminectomy and the neurosurgeon has a list of 40 emergency cases before your turn, will you not go abroad?
Do you know that 3 neurosurgeons serve delta,edo and environs alone + (God bless Drs Udoh,Azeez and Obeta,selfless men)

7 Do you even know that Nigerian trained doctors are the majority of non American specialists in the US?
Just go and watch the movie Concussion .

I can go in and on but your hate will not allow you proper assimilation of my points.

no 7 isn't correct, it's the Indians.....

Alhaji1970:


Very soon everybody working in the hospital will soon be addressed as Dr. We already have Dr of Optometry for people who specialize in eye glasses and are already in battle with Medical specialists that take care of eye diseases, do surgeries and recommend eye glasses (that optometrists then dispense!). Soon these Dr. of Pharmacy will want to do ward round, run out patients clinics, etc.
Dr. of Medical Laboratory Sciences is loading as well as Dr. of Social Work, Dr. of Psychology, Dr. of Nursing, Dr. of Hospital Attendants, etc

O good Lord, deliver us!

u re really naive. pls go get knowledge on who an optometrist is bfr coming here to spill trash. Google is there to educate u

SIRTee15:


no 7 isn't correct, it's the Indians.....

You're right bros..
Nigerians are soooo much there tho.

Kelyto:
Bad belle guy... Don't worry it can't happen... The new NUC provided the approval letter on Wednesday to our ever hardworking psn president Pharm Ahmed Yakassai ... I can show you the pics or you can browse it... No going baky.. Pharm D, signed, sealed, over approved..... Only incompetent n unexposed Dr will be afraid of this development... They fear encroachment... Dey fear pharmacist will take over dia profession... Well they have reasons to fear... They have long over destroyed oda profession like introduction of quack and eliza nurses and training of ssce holders to dispense drug in some of their mushroom hospitals... Anyway pharm D is for the good of everyone... Pharmacist know dia scope... Dr should as well work with dia defined boundaries.... For DMLS, dey should gaaan sit down.... Nowhere in the world do we have such a thing... Soon nurses, and every oda person go be Dr even med records officers...Lol... E no go easy ooo....

It's either you have failed to read or you don't like reading do you still want me to list the countries where such degrees exist? Except you have a personal beef for them I don't see why you should throw shades at them to validate your point

Silumi:
5 yrs in school versus a doctors 7 to 8 yrs I don't know about them ,but it is always going to be clear that The doctors earned that title. let us see if any good stuff comes out of it.

What is this one saying?

tuoyoojo:
forget all this talk about d. pharm helping the medical profession. it's all about the money. it's about collecting the so called big allowance from govt

there is the optician who insist that "Dr" must be attached to her name wen she is called. when the so called "Dr " had someone who was sick, she then forgot she was the "Dr " is has being claiming

after all these "doctors " has given medication and there is no relieve.they would still be the ones to say go and see ur doctor

an optician is neva a doc by degree. if u cal an optician a Dr na ur ignorance na im cause am.

Kelyto:
. U mean u want the oppression by Mbbs holder over other health workers to continue?

Answer my question.
If the curriculum and job description don't change, what you call oppression will continue

Hmmmmmmmn....... We all profess professionalism but nothing to show for it. What would a patient think after seeing the unending war going on within those he's giving over his dear life to manage? 'The Doctor may prescribe and the pxt may just dispense another just to prove a point ' he thinks. Does bickering and directionless competition solve any problem? All medical staff work for the patient and that can only be achieved if they all work together. The problem in Nigeria is typically about regulation. The pharmacist complains that the patent medicine dealers are encroaching (which is of course true) while the medical doctor is wary that the pharmacist is getting too close. (well, that's somehow true too) Each party must remember that they have in one way or another encroached in another's field. For example, a Pxt will want to diagnose everything and treat everything while the medical doctor will stock drugs in his office just to circumvent the standing rule of having a Pxt in his hospital to do that. That's where regulation comes into play. The moment we start seeing each field of medical practice as being as indispensable as another, then we'll start progressing, if not, we'll be stagnated for the foreseeable future. The Pxt is never a neurosurgeon neither is it the other way around but a neurosurgeon will for a fact fail in his work without the drugs (for one, the anaesthetics he can't do without) The hand does not tell the leg to go and die cos it will still feel the pains of the leg when it dies. The brain coordinates the body but remove the stomach for a month and tell me what happens to the brain. Every part of the body is so indispensable that i can't say for one that any is superior to the other (well, I dont know for the vestigials) Pls, everyone in the medical field see the other as indispensable and then we can both work together. Remember, that's what professionalism is all about. Bickering and backbiting does not solve a modicum of problems.