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Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by Deyrinsolar(f): 12:02pm On Sep 17, 2016
hUmaneOne:
optometrists have always been called doctors as well. NMA doesn't give sh1it about pharm d and titles

They only want a distinction between a Medical Doctor and a Pharm D graduate because majority of Nigerians are gullible and will see someone bearing Dr, and assume falsely they are licensed to diagnose and treat diseases.
You just spoke my thoughts.
Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by incrediboooh(m): 12:05pm On Sep 17, 2016
Doctor of physiotherapy(DPT) loading cool
Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by Kelyto: 12:16pm On Sep 17, 2016
incrediboooh:
Doctor of physiotherapy(DPT) loading cool
hahahaha.. Nigerian health sector is dead on arrival... I talk am.... grin
incrediboooh:
Doctor of physiotherapy(DPT) loading cool
hahahaha.. Nigerian health sector is dead on arrival... I talk am.... Nurses get ready... Mls ngwa... Radiographers oya... Dieticians follow... Answer the Clarion call for Doctorate degree... Some med Dr will feel like committing suicide because of this.... Sorry fr dem poor Mbbs holders... I still so much respect med Dr... It's a wonderful profession unarguably, i give it to them... But live and let's live... Dats the way forward
Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by OlandoOwoo: 12:17pm On Sep 17, 2016
Nobody is a saint here. Imagine a small clinic stocking drugs and dispensing without any professional guide? A pharmacist too diagnoses and treats without recourse to the supposed professionals.

If every hospital will operate by diagnosing and sending their prescriptions to pharmacies for dispensary, no pharmacist would like to go through the rigours of diagnosis and prescription. They will gladly wait for prescriptions, to dispense. ...talking about private clinics and community pharmacies, you know.

The problem with Nigeria is regulations. Just force every idiot to stay on his lane, let's move ahead
Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by Chuksprince: 12:42pm On Sep 17, 2016
brainpulse:
This is a great achievement to the pharmacy professionals. What couldn't be done when we had a former doctorate cluless president.
you react and speak according to your username... I believe it is affecting you greatly.. Brainpulse... It has pulse indeed.
While can't you move on from goodluck? Did he placed a curse on you? Pls go restart your brain cos it is pulse now.

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Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by seamus387(m): 12:57pm On Sep 17, 2016
I hate medical doctors they always believe they kwn everything. They are better and can d work of other medical field like pharmacist , MLS, medical Biochemist, physiologist, anatomist etc. Bleep d medical doctors. I didn't blame them, I blame d federal Government.

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Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by SpicyJosBabe(f): 1:11pm On Sep 17, 2016
Alhaji1970:


Very soon everybody working in the hospital will soon be addressed as Dr. We already have Dr of Optometry for people who specialize in eye glasses and are already in battle with Medical specialists that take care of eye diseases, do surgeries and recommend eye glasses (that optometrists then dispense!). Soon these Dr. of Pharmacy will want to do ward round, run out patients clinics, etc.
Dr. of Medical Laboratory Sciences is loading as well as Dr. of Social Work, Dr. of Psychology, Dr. of Nursing, Dr. of Hospital Attendants, etc

O good Lord, deliver us!

LoL, funny dude
Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by Silumi(f): 1:27pm On Sep 17, 2016
1192daniel:

Do u think dey(pharmacists) won't spend 7 years in total Warr about housemanship
that 7 to 8 yrs is without housemanship for the doctors and letting aside d duration of study u can't compare the weight of their curriculum ever.the doctors are thought more indepth than d pharm .good for them though
Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by eleojo23: 1:32pm On Sep 17, 2016
ManTiger:

Best response on thread.

It's a bigger problem because many pharmacist practise and some carry out surgeon work in their makeshift shops under the guise of acting like a doctor, now worse "may" happen because they just earn it!

The title should be thought about very very well before being issued! Last time I checked OAU, Pharmacy is still 5yrs course, no specialisation like they have it in Medicine/Surgery, no horsemanship, just 5yrs and you earn a title of "Doctorate"?

I think they could just load their curriculum with one more year to spend in university to make 6yrs and a year of some clinical.

The curriculum will be reviewed and an extra year added (mostly focused on clinicals) to make it 6 years.

And you said they don't do internship?
Really??!
Wow, I am surprised.
The path to becoming a pharmacist before now is 5yrs school + 1 year internship after which they become fully registered then they proceed to NYSC. That's 7 years before they gain full 'independence'.

And with this new program the school year is going to increase to 6 years.
That makes the whole thing 8 years.

The aim of the program is not to make pharmacists equal to doctors. Never.
Both professions have their focus and non can work in isolation.
The program is aimed at making the pharmacist better at what he does for the benefit of the patient.

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Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by eleojo23: 1:45pm On Sep 17, 2016
We are so backward in Nigeria sha. This is something that has been practiced in other countries for many years without all those noise up and down.

We need to grow up!
Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by onyxo76(m): 1:55pm On Sep 17, 2016
I don't care about title Dr, it's even to my disadvantage in the market place where all the seller jerk up the price for you. Sbebi ASUU sef dey bear Dr, so wetin come be my own, na when pharmacist come begin do surgery for theater then I go comment

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Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by sungelsocco(m): 2:09pm On Sep 17, 2016
This is so much a welcome idea. Interesting
So no more just Pharm. but Pharm. Dr.
However let's not forget to always add Pharm. before Dr. otherwise we would be displaying a sense of belittlement to the profession, I mean what we really are..."Pharmacists"

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Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by eleojo23: 3:03pm On Sep 17, 2016
onyxo76:
I don't care about title Dr, it's even to my disadvantage in the market place where all the seller jerk up the price for you. Sbebi ASUU sef dey bear Dr, so wetin come be my own, na when pharmacist come begin do surgery for theater then I go comment

Pharmacist doing surgery for theatre?

Ha! That one no go happen o.
Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by BananaRepublic1(m): 3:28pm On Sep 17, 2016
Congrats to pharmacists.
anyway there is a profession called PHYSIOTHERAPY who examine, diagnose , treat and rehabilitate patients without drugs but by physical means primarily with the use of hand, exercise and physical modalities.. you can imagine that job evaluation.
Physical Therapist is the next profession with clinical residency and DPT(Doctor of Physiotherapy).
Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by Nobody: 4:02pm On Sep 17, 2016
U all should take it easy nah... These med doctors sef, dem own too much, leave pharmacists alone Abeg. What aspect of drug dispensing or patient care dat a medical doctor knows dat a pharmacist can't do?! The only limitation to a pharmacist is the aspect of surgery.
Most people only think pharmacists are those roadside drug prescribers dat they run to on emergency, but I tell u, there's more to pharmacy than dat. Get a faculty of pharmacy handbook read it and thank me later, or i'll advice u to browse.
Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by dikeclint10(m): 5:00pm On Sep 17, 2016
What will happen to those already in the system? Especially level 1 and 2...will an addition year b to them to make it 6? Or dy will come out with b.pharm
Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by samwise99(m): 5:08pm On Sep 17, 2016
hUmaneOne:

The person that takes the highest blame when anything goes wrong,the person that authorized the admission of the patient, the person that finally signs and verifies a patient as dead

Own is a strong word tho.not appropriate ,but you understand my point


Then who owns you?
A. Your father
B. Your mother
C. Both

if u can answer that,u will now know that ur answer to that question is wrong.
Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by samwise99(m): 5:15pm On Sep 17, 2016
Kelyto:
which one b D.MLS abeg mk dem go chill... It's nowhere found in the world

may be "the world" here means ur village

IT'S NO WHERE FOUND IN UR VILLAGE

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Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by alabafe(m): 5:17pm On Sep 17, 2016
sungelsocco:
This is so much a welcome idea. Interesting
So no more just Pharm. but Pharm. Dr.
However let's not forget to always add Pharm. before Dr. otherwise we would be displaying a sense of belittlement to the profession, I mean what we really are..."Pharmacists"
Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by hUmaneOne: 5:20pm On Sep 17, 2016
samwise99:



Then who owns you?
A. Your father
B. Your mother
C. Both

if u can answer that,u will now know that ur answer to that question is wrong.

Your example is flawed my good friend.

In the hospital as it is , everybody contributes to patient care with different levels of responsibility.

The medical doctor works collaboratively with the healthcare team to provide optimal care to the patient meaning he gets help for the patient through the other allied medical staffs .
The doctor isn't referred to , as the head of the health team for nothing
Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by Drabrah(m): 5:34pm On Sep 17, 2016
hUmaneOne:
optometrists have always been called doctors as well. NMA doesn't give sh1it about pharm d and titles

They only want a distinction between a Medical Doctor and a Pharm D graduate because majority of Nigerians are gullible and will see someone bearing Dr, and assume falsely they are licensed to diagnose and treat diseases.


Exactly d point.
Anything goes in 9ja.
Dat's how a PhD holder in Kinetics was parading himself has Dr, gat his hosp & was even operating.
Everybody working in d hosp ll soon be "doctorised", including d gardeners.
Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by samwise99(m): 5:39pm On Sep 17, 2016
hUmaneOne:


Your example is flawed my good friend.

In the hospital as it is , everybody contributes to patient care with different levels of responsibility.

The medical doctor works collaboratively with the healthcare team to provide optimal care to the patient meaning he gets help for the patient through the other allied medical staffs .
The doctor isn't referred to , as the head of the health team for nothing


If my example is flawed
*why then do the medical doctors work collaboratively with the healthcare team.

*Why do they get help for the patient through other allied medical staff. As u stated earlier.

IT's simply because other allied medical staff & the medical doctor owns the patient.
Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by hUmaneOne: 6:19pm On Sep 17, 2016
samwise99:



If my example is flawed
*why then do the medical doctors work collaboratively with the healthcare team.

*Why do they get help for the patient through other allied medical staff. As u stated earlier.

IT's simply because other allied medical staff & the medical doctor owns the patient.

Okay both of us refrain from using the word "own".its kinda demeaning. wink

Back to the subject.

In the hospital, it is only if the doctor tells the medlab guy to conduct a test that it will be done,
Only if he prescribes a drug will the pharmacist dispense or modify.
Only if he recommends an xray or ct will the radiotherapist carry it out.
Only if a doctors tells a stroke patient to go for physiotherapy can he/ She go.

You know the funny thing, after all these procedures ,a doctor have to look through the results and modify or recommend extras.

That is why after a test the doctor will be the one to interpret the result for that patient.
Everybody reports back to the doctor in most cases.

Its not like the medlab guy cannot interpret o.he can.
But as far that patient is concerned, only the doctor has the patients history and can make final judgement

Let me use an example.
A man goes to the lab scientist for a blood sugar test, and the result is very high.
The lab scientist may assume it is a problem, but the doctor knows it is okay because he has the patients history ,and that patient just ate a good dose of Eba 30 mins ago

You will only disagree with my points if you havent been in a big hospital in Nigeria or abroad,where everybody knows their role
Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by samwise99(m): 6:31pm On Sep 17, 2016
hUmaneOne:


Okay both of us refrain from using the word "own".its kinda demeaning. wink

Back to the subject.

In the hospital, it is only if the doctor tells the medlab guy to conduct a test that it will be done,
Only if he prescribes a drug will the pharmacist dispense or modify.
Only if he recommends an xray or ct will the radiotherapist carry it out.
Only if a doctors tells a stroke patient to go for physiotherapy can he/ She go.

You know the funny thing, after all these procedures ,a doctor have to look through the results and modify or recommend extras.

That is why after a test the doctor will be the one to interpret the result for that patient.
Everybody reports back to the doctor in most cases.

Its not like the medlab guy cannot interpret o.he can.
But as far that patient is concerned, only the doctor has the patients history and can make final judgement

Let me use an example.
A man goes to the lab scientist for a blood sugar test, and the result is very high.
The lab scientist may assume it is a problem, but the doctor knows it is okay because he has the patients history ,and that patient just ate a good dose of Eba 30 mins ago

AM INTO THIS argument with u b/c of that word 'OWN'
IF U want us to refrain from it,that means u agree with me that NOT ONLY the medical doctor owns the patients.

COMING TO WHERE U WANT TO RUN TO..."having the final say"
yeah medical doctor can have the final say which he will do with the help of other health professionals as u stated above.

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Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by samwise99(m): 6:35pm On Sep 17, 2016
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Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by hUmaneOne: 6:45pm On Sep 17, 2016
samwise99:


AM INTO THIS argument with u b/c of that word 'OWN'
IF U want us to refrain from it,that means u agree with me that NOT ONLY the medical doctor owns the patients.

COMING TO WHERE U WANT TO RUN TO..."having the final say"
yeah medical doctor can have the final say which he will do with the help of other health professionals as u stated above.

Somebody else mentioned the word "own" not me.
What I understand by "own" is having full responsibility or having the most responsibility.

We are cool tho..thanks for the time
Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by celexz: 6:57pm On Sep 17, 2016
Good development. As men of honour, we join hands. Am proud 2 be a Pharmacist.
Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by kizolala(m): 7:04pm On Sep 17, 2016
Good day everyone.
I have read all the comments and the following things are obvious;
(a) some members of the medical profession haven't fully grasped the concept of the Pharmd which is sad because some of them are beginning to speak out of ignorance.
(b) some members of this same profession as well as the public think that pharmacists are out to compete with the med doctors for the Dr title.

The pharmacy slogan says 'as men of honour we join hands'. The genuine aim of every professional advancement is for the patients benefit. PharmD is going to focus more on patients rather than the drug products. The aim is to develop a platform for a better and more informed collaboration with the doctors and members of the healthcare team through pharmaceutical care. Nobody is dragging titles with anybody. We are firstly pharmacists. I would advise everyone of us to browse or ask around about the Pharmd before making comments. Thank you.
Pharm Kingsley Isibor(B Pharm, PharmD): #just making common sense

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Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by samwise99(m): 7:04pm On Sep 17, 2016
hUmaneOne:


Somebody else mentioned the word "own" not me.
What I understand by "own" is having full responsibility or having the most responsibility.

We are cool tho..thanks for the time

thanks too bro.

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Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by nelszx: 7:04pm On Sep 17, 2016
hUmaneOne:


Okay both of us refrain from using the word "own".its kinda demeaning. wink

Back to the subject.

In the hospital, it is only if the doctor tells the medlab guy to conduct a test that it will be done,
Only if he prescribes a drug will the pharmacist dispense or modify.
Only if he recommends an xray or ct will the radiotherapist carry it out.
Only if a doctors tells a stroke patient to go for physiotherapy can he/ She go.

You know the funny thing, after all these procedures ,a doctor have to look through the results and modify or recommend extras.

That is why after a test the doctor will be the one to interpret the result for that patient.
Everybody reports back to the doctor in most cases.

Its not like the medlab guy cannot interpret o.he can.
But as far that patient is concerned, only the doctor has the patients history and can make final judgement

Let me use an example.
A man goes to the lab scientist for a blood sugar test, and the result is very high.
The lab scientist may assume it is a problem
, but the doctor knows it is okay because he has the patients history ,and that patient just ate a good dose of Eba 30 mins ago

You will only disagree with my points if you havent been in a big hospital in Nigeria or abroad,where everybody knows their role

The bolded is not true, questions are asked before tests are carried out so if a patient lies on coming the result will reveal everything. The reason glucose estimation has other parts.
Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by nelszx: 7:05pm On Sep 17, 2016
hUmaneOne:


Okay both of us refrain from using the word "own".its kinda demeaning. wink

Back to the subject.

In the hospital, it is only if the doctor tells the medlab guy to conduct a test that it will be done,
Only if he prescribes a drug will the pharmacist dispense or modify.
Only if he recommends an xray or ct will the radiotherapist carry it out.
Only if a doctors tells a stroke patient to go for physiotherapy can he/ She go.

You know the funny thing, after all these procedures ,a doctor have to look through the results and modify or recommend extras.

That is why after a test the doctor will be the one to interpret the result for that patient.
Everybody reports back to the doctor in most cases.

Its not like the medlab guy cannot interpret o.he can.
But as far that patient is concerned, only the doctor has the patients history and can make final judgement

Let me use an example.
A man goes to the lab scientist for a blood sugar test, and the result is very high.
The lab scientist may assume it is a problem
, but the doctor knows it is okay because he has the patients history ,and that patient just ate a good dose of Eba 30 mins ago

You will only disagree with my points if you havent been in a big hospital in Nigeria or abroad,where everybody knows their role

The bolded is not true, questions are asked before tests are carried out so if a patient lies on coming, the result will reveal everything. The reason glucose estimation has other parts.
Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by hUmaneOne: 7:20pm On Sep 17, 2016
nelszx:


The bolded is not true, questions are asked before tests are carried out so if a patient lies on coming the result will reveal everything. The reason glucose estimation has other parts.

Did you read when I said ,"In a hospital setting" ?

In an organised hospital setting,the labsci doesn't see the patient ..he only sees the sample except the test require physical presence

Even in cases where the patient is seen, there is little need to ask the patient questions except questions that will ensure proper results eg hope you didn't eat this morning.for FBS
Remember that in hospitals the patient does not come with complains to the labscientist.he only comes with a lab request form filled by a doctor.
The labsci will be wrong to interpret the results to the patient.without a full history.

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