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Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by Ikomi(m): 4:47pm On Oct 16, 2009
A white US justice of the peace has been criticised for refusing to issue marriage licences to mixed-race couples.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8310509.stm
Re: Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by iice(f): 4:52pm On Oct 16, 2009
LOL
Re: Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by JeSoul(f): 5:11pm On Oct 16, 2009
Well, its his perogative and personal convictions - and I don't think this necessarily makes him racist. This is America and he is not under obligation to accept anything that he doesn't want. They've already found someone else to marry them so what's all the hoopla about?
Re: Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by blackspade(m): 6:41pm On Oct 16, 2009
I agree with him, most mixed race marriages do not last very long, and the children have a hard time finding an identity.
Re: Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by RichyBlacK(m): 6:43pm On Oct 16, 2009
JeSoul:

Well, its his perogative and personal convictions - and I don't think this necessarily makes him racist. This is America and he is not under obligation to accept anything that he doesn't want. They've already found someone else to marry them so what's all the hoopla about?

Really?

So, how about that White ER doctor who refused to treat that black kid with gunshot wounds because he said he doesn't feel comfortable operating on blacks?
Re: Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by Ikomi(m): 6:48pm On Oct 16, 2009
blackspade:

I agree with him, most mixed race marriages do not last very long, and the children have a hard time finding an identity.

Do we have statistics/poll on this? undecided
Re: Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by blackspade(m): 6:51pm On Oct 16, 2009
No, but you can find many articles and personal accounts that will support my statements.
Re: Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by Ikomi(m): 6:58pm On Oct 16, 2009
blackspade:

No, but you can find many articles and personal accounts that will support my statements.

Well if you dont have statistics/poll on this you might be very wrong, as well as the Justice of peace.  undecided

But honestly in my opinion, I dont appreciate it when those white gizzas run after a smooth assed black sister, those small dicked white gizzas cant keep a black sister happy.  undecided

A black sister needs a black brother if only to keep her spirit high.

cheesy
Re: Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by blackspade(m): 7:03pm On Oct 16, 2009
Ikomi:

Well if you dont have statistics/poll on this you might be very wrong, as well as the Justice of peace.  undecided

It's quite possible, but from what I see, I doubt it.

Ikomi:
But honestly in my opinion, I dont appreciate it when those white gizzas run after a smooth assed black sister, those small dicked white gizzas cant keep a black sister happy.  undecided

A black sister needs a black brother if only to keep her spirit high.

cheesy

grin grin grin grin grin grin cheesy
Re: Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by bawomolo(m): 7:34pm On Oct 16, 2009
JeSoul:

Well, its his perogative and personal convictions - and I don't think this necessarily makes him racist. This is America and he is not under obligation to accept anything that he doesn't want. They've already found someone else to marry them so what's all the hoopla about?

he fits the mold of a racist. separate but equal doesn't count today.   

His funny how everyone accused of being racist always counter with the i have black friends argument.


"I'm not a racist. I just don't believe in mixing the races that way," Bardwell told the Associated Press on Thursday. "I have piles and piles of black friends. They come to my home, I marry them, they use my bathroom. I treat them just like everyone else."

Bardwell said he asks everyone who calls about marriage if they are a mixed race couple. If they are, he does not marry them, he said.

personal convictions shouldn't be allowed in a government post. this isn't a Las Vegas Chapel!!!


blackspade:

No, but you can find many articles and personal accounts that will support my statements.

so what? that doesn't give you the right to stop them from getting married. i thought we got past this 40 years ago.

the KKK is smiling right now
Re: Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by Kobojunkie: 7:50pm On Oct 16, 2009
bawomolo:

he fits the mold of a racist. separate but equal doesn't count today.   

No he does not. He makes it clear that he has wed blacks and has also wed whites, only that he has a problem with mixed marriages. Are we redefining racism now? If you have a problem with mixed couples are you a racist? If you refuse to date someone from another race, are you a racist?

Please, lets be real.  I have no problem hanging out with my gay friends ( you can't escape them where I live) but I would never attend any of their weddings and they know this, and we jest about how "UPTIGHT" I am. I can't even stand seeing them kiss in front of me. Does that make me a homophobe?
Re: Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by bawomolo(m): 7:55pm On Oct 16, 2009
Kobojunkie:


No he does not. He makes it clear that he has wed blacks and has also wed whites, only that he has a problem with mixed marriages. Are we redefining racism now? If you have a problem with mixed couples are you a racist? If you refuse to date someone from another race, are you a racist?

Please, lets be real.  I have no problem hanging out with my gay friends ( you can't escape them where I live) but I would never attend any of their weddings and they know this, and we jest about how "UPTIGHT" I am. Does that make me a homophobe?

I would consider anyone who doesn't recognize an homosexual's right to marriage an homophobe. not attending a gay wedding isn't homophobic to me. 

50% of marriages in the US result in divorce .  it's ignorant for the Judge to single out mixed couples. This is racist. 

whether one is racist for not dating someone from another race depends on the reasons for making such choice.   laws against interracial marriages in the south were struck down for a reason.   Anyone against racial mixing is racist.  This is an opinion you don't have to agree with.
Re: Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by Kobojunkie: 8:05pm On Oct 16, 2009
bawomolo:

I would consider anyone who doesn't recognize an homosexual's right to marriage an homophone. not attending a gay wedding isn't homophobe to me.

50% of marriages in the US result in divorce .  it's ignorant for the Judge to single out mixed couples. This is racist. 

whether one is racist for not dating someone from another race depends on the reasons for making such choice.   laws against interracial marriages in the south were struck down for a reason.   Anyone against racial mixing is racist.  This is an opinion you don't have to agree with.

All that is mentioned in the article is that this is the man's PERSONAL PREFERENCE AND based on his PERSONAL Take on issues. Why try to make it MORE THAN ABOUT HIM when he makes it clear this is just what it is. He does not mention anything about there being laws AGAINST interracial marriages or does he? He simply, of his own, chooses not to marry interracial couples. Since when is it wrong for persons to act on personal beliefs, especially beliefs that hurt no one but their own selves? The man is clearly not a racist, can we please stop trying to sentimentalize every thing and issue out there to score brownie points of some sort.

Last I checked, it is NOT a crime to choose ignorance and it is certainly not a crime to act on it, especially when it does not hurt anyone else but self. By the way, I choose not to attend the wedding of my gay friends because I do not believe gay marriage is right. Sure, I will be labelled ignorant by folks like yourself, but am I no longer allowed to choose to act on my belief no matter how IGNORANT you may think it to be?? Am I a RACIST because YOU or a HOMOPHOBE then because YOU can't handle the fact that I HAVE A RIGHT to believe as I choose on issues such as this one?
Re: Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by JeSoul(f): 8:06pm On Oct 16, 2009
RichyBlacK:

Really?

So, how about that White ER doctor who refused to treat that black kid with gunshot wounds because he said he doesn't feel comfortable operating on blacks?
Uhm Richy, he is a justice of peace - not an ER doctor. His refusal to marry them is not a matter of life and death.

I don't agree with his convictions but I will defend his right to have them.

bawomolo:

personal convictions shouldn't be allowed in a government post. this isn't a Las Vegas Chapel!!!
so what? that doesn't give you the right to stop them from getting married. i thought we got past this 40 years ago.
 This may be the only valid point in this whole thing but from my understanding, JOPs have a ton of flexibility in what they can/can't do, agree to or not agree to do.

And he didn't try to stop them from getting married, just said that he could not marry them.
Re: Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by bawomolo(m): 8:09pm On Oct 16, 2009
Kobojunkie:

All that is mentioned in the article is that this is the man's PERSONAL PREFERENCE AND based on his PERSONAL Take on issues. Why try to make it MORE THAN ABOUT HIM

the issue is more about him because his opinion CLASHES WITH THAT OF THE LAW. the department of justice would surely have something to say about it.
.
Since when is it wrong for persons to act on personal beliefs, especially beliefs that hurt no one but their own selves ?

the last time i checked his personal beliefs also affects that of the couples who denied the right to marry in the court which isn't his personal property.



The man is clearly not a racist, can we please stop trying to sentimentalize every thing and issue out there to score brownie points of some sort.

of course he isn't racist, he has black friends.

And he didn't try to stop them from getting married, just said that he could not marry them.

Umm that means he doesn't want them to get married since he obviously against racial mixing because of his silly views that mixed kids would have it tough in life. What a bigot
Re: Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by Ikomi(m): 8:09pm On Oct 16, 2009
bawomolo:

Anyone against racial mixing is racist  This is an opinion you don't have to agree with,

You have not expressed your opinion you actually stated a fact.

If someone cant stand gays kissing you are a homophobe period. It means you do not agree of the act. Weather you attend the marriage or not is now a matter of choice.
Re: Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by Ikomi(m): 8:13pm On Oct 16, 2009
bawomolo:

the last time i checked his personal beliefs also affects that of the couples who denied the right to marry in the court which isn't his personal property.

Infact you are your fathers son.

Did he name you bawomolo? cheesy
Re: Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by Kobojunkie: 8:14pm On Oct 16, 2009
bawomolo:

the issue is more about him because his opinion CLASHES WITH THAT OF THE LAW. the department of justice would surely have something to say about it.
the last time i checked his personal beliefs also affects that of the couples who denied the right to marry in the court which isn't his personal property.

Wrong. It is NOT HIS Court, It is the people's court. He is only one of judges who works there; he is just another Judge in the court. If He cannot do it, there are others who can. Sort of like when you go to the DMV. If the one cannot speak Spanish, they get you another who can.

This reminds me of the silly debate on FORCING ALL pharmacists to sell over the country DAYAFTER pills, some time ago. People have personal beliefs and ideologies that may not be in line with the law. Should we ALL be FORCED to conform so folks can say we are not iGnorant?

bawomolo:

of course he isn't racist, he has black friends.
Umm that means he doesn't want them to get married since he obviously against racial mixing because of his silly views that mixed kids would have it tough in life. What a bigot

Call him what you want then but understand he has a right to believe as he wants and as long as he is not telling you IT IS AGAINST THE LAW, he is free to believe as he wants.
Re: Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by JeSoul(f): 8:14pm On Oct 16, 2009
Ikomi:

Well if you dont have statistics/poll on this you might be very wrong, as well as the Justice of peace.  undecided

But honestly in my opinion, I dont appreciate it when those white gizzas run after a smooth assed black sister, those small dicked white gizzas cant keep a black sister happy.  undecided

A black sister needs a black brother if only to keep her spirit high.

cheesy
Come self, Ikomi why are you dissing white boys eh? abeg leave them alone jor  cheesy
Re: Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by bawomolo(m): 8:18pm On Oct 16, 2009
Kobojunkie:

Wrong. It is NOT HIS Court, It is the people's court. He is only one of judges who works there; he is just another Judge in the court. If He cannot do it, there are others who can. Sort of like when you go to the DMV. If the one cannot speak Spanish, they get you another who can.

there is a difference between the inability to speak a language and archaic views on race. just saying.


This reminds me of the silly debate on FORCING ALL pharmacists to sell over the country DAYAFTER pills, some time ago. People have personal beliefs and ideologies that may not be in line with the law. Should we ALL be FORCED to conform so folks can say we are not iGnorant?

Yes I expect members of the JUDICIAL SYSTEM to uphold the law.


Call him what you want then but understand he has a right to believe as he wants and as long as he is not telling you IT IS AGAINST THE LAW, he is free to believe as he wants.


And yes i would call him a racist. What is he going to do next, stop christians and muslims from marrying?
Re: Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by Ikomi(m): 8:22pm On Oct 16, 2009
Kobojunkie:

Wrong. It is NOT HIS Court, It is the people's court. He is only one of judges who works there; he is just another Judge in the court. If He cannot do it, there are others who can. Sort of like when you go to the DMV. If the one cannot speak Spanish, they get you another who can.

This reminds me of the silly debate on FORCING ALL pharmacists to sell over the country DAYAFTER pills, some time ago. People have personal beliefs and ideologies that may not be in line with the law. Should we ALL be FORCED to conform so folks can say we are not iGnorant?

Call him what you want then but understand he has a right to believe as he wants and as long as he is not telling you IT IS AGAINST THE LAW, he is free to believe as he wants.


I think the question we should ask ourselves is this, is this guy Justice of Peace, to serve the public or to impose his not established ideologies.
Re: Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by Kobojunkie: 8:23pm On Oct 16, 2009
bawomolo:

there is a difference between the inability to speak a language and archaic views on race. just saying.
What makes it archaic? The fact that it does not CONFORM with your view of race?

bawomolo:

Yes I expect members of the JUDICIAL SYSTEM to uphold the law.
He is upholding the law. He has NOT broken any law. He simply stated he is unable to marry them and referred them to someone else that can. He NEVER told them that it is AGAINST the law for them to be married, just that it does not sit well with his opinion on it and so it would be best for them to try another jugde. He could have easily told them he had no time for them or some other lie.

bawomolo:

And yes i would call him a racist. What is he going to do next, stop christians and muslims from marrying?
Well, as long as he is NOT BREAKING THE law, what can you do about it? He cannot be labeled a racist since it seems there are records showing he has married people of different races before. If you personally feel better calling him a racist so your mind can better handle it, that is one thing but considering the evidence here, this is not racism.
Re: Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by Kobojunkie: 8:26pm On Oct 16, 2009
Ikomi:

I think the question we should ask ourselves is this, is this guy Justice of Peace, to serve the public or to impose his not established ideologies.



Well, the day you become Justice, you certain DO NOT LOOSE the right to an opinion. So, to answer your question, it is clear from what is stated in the article that this man did not IMPOSE anything on the couple.

You have to understand that when you become a JUSTICE, you do not LOOSE your ability to think on your own. You simply have to comply with the law wherever you can and there is really NO evidence he broke the law by letting the couple know of his personal opinion on this issue and why it would likely be better for them to see ANOTHER justice for their convenience.

If anything, we have had numerous judges interpreting the law as they choose, but this particular man did NOT interprete but simply stated that he would rather not marry the couple of question.
Re: Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by bawomolo(m): 8:28pm On Oct 16, 2009
What makes it archaic? The fact that it does not CONFORM with your view of race?

His view is archaic considering it was dispelled about 40 years ago when laws against interracial marriages were struck down.
Re: Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by vanitty: 8:28pm On Oct 16, 2009
I suppose we should all be thankful to him for allowing his piles and piles of black friends to use his bathroom undecided
What a kangaroo, doofus.
Re: Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by Ikomi(m): 8:29pm On Oct 16, 2009
JeSoul:

Come self, Ikomi why are you dissing white boys eh? abeg leave them alone jor  cheesy

Nooooo am not dissing anyone.

Why do you think most white women sufer from depression?

Its actually a symptom of a not well edowed white dude.

Conduct your research you would be suprised, what you will come out with.
Re: Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by Ikomi(m): 8:32pm On Oct 16, 2009
bawomolo:

And yes i would call him a racist. What is he going to do next, stop christians and muslims from marrying?

Gbam.

You sure know what your talking about. I cant even take him on as you are doing, ad just sit back and enjoy the conversation. cheesy
Re: Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by Kobojunkie: 8:33pm On Oct 16, 2009
bawomolo:

His view is archaic considering it was dispelled about 40 years ago when laws against interracial marriages were struck down.

"There is a problem with both groups accepting a child from such a marriage," he said "I think those children suffer and I won't help put them through it."

This view was dispelled 40 years ago when laws against interracial marriages were struck down? You sure about this?
Re: Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by bawomolo(m): 8:35pm On Oct 16, 2009
Kobojunkie:

This view was dispelled 40 years ago when laws against interracial marriages were struck down? You sure about this?

Yes.  His views are a glorified modern day version of separate but equal.    He isn't racist though, he has black friends.

Rather than support a society where mixed kids are accepted, he is trying to keep races separate.
Re: Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by Kobojunkie: 8:37pm On Oct 16, 2009
bawomolo:

Yes.  His views are a glorified modern day version of separate but equal.    He isn't racist though, he has black friends.

Rather than support a society where mixed kids are accepted, he is trying to keep races separate.

Have we been able to produce such a society ourselves with our SUPERIOR beliefs on the issues? Why FORCE everyone to support OUR idea when we the SUPERIOR MINDED ones have not even been able to create a society where the same are accepted??
Re: Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by bawomolo(m): 8:38pm On Oct 16, 2009
Kobojunkie:

Have we been able to produce such a society ourselves with our SUPERIOR beliefs on the issues?

It's possible, The US is only one generation removed from jim crow laws.
Re: Anger At US Mixed Marriage 'ban' by Kobojunkie: 8:39pm On Oct 16, 2009
bawomolo:

It's possible, The US is only one generation removed from jim crow laws.

Lol . . . . oh please!!! From his point, the man seems to have his own solution to the problem. Why is his solution not possible? Let me guess, because it does not line up with your idea of NON-ignorant thinking?

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