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Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by laudate: 9:42pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
@Iansweet, OmoIgala & Revolva: Here is another viewpoint. Kogi/Enugu Crisis: Things Have Gone Wrong In So Many Ways – Unekwuojo O. | News | October 8, 2014 Here is another view. The article cited earlier by OmoIgala shows the proportion of people that identify with Igala, Idoma & Igbo. http://www.ajol.info/index.php/mjas/article/viewFile/118497/108028 |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by bigfrancis21: 9:49pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
laudate: Lol. Ette only exists in Kogi state online. It still is located in Enugu state. Ogodo, Emenebe, Obida and Ebe sound Igbo to me, not sure. Aishi, Adope and Achanya sound Idoma to me. 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by Igboid: 9:55pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
laudate: This article was only broadcasting the stance of the Igala aspect of Ette. Which is that they want to be in Kogi. And that is exactly what we had been saying here. it's not like we expected Igala elements there to say otherwise. The article was not an investigative one. As only the Igala people were interviewed and their words published without the writers contribution or those of the opposing camps. 5 Likes |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by bigfrancis21: 9:55pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
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Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by Igboid: 10:02pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
bigfrancis21: Lol! The writer of that article was clearly hallucinating. Etteh remains in Igbo Eze North LGA, after all said and done. No amount of violence or hallucination from Igalas will change that. The case is still at the boundary commission, and the verdict is not yet out. 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by Igboid: 10:10pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
bigfrancis21: Succinctly well put brother. This is good. |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by laudate: 10:11pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
Igboid: Oh, so this is your new angle? The report is not an investigative one. But nobody claimed it was one. Hehehe..... It was the same Vanguard you have been using to buttress your points that published it, too. And it was cited to show the viewpoint of the Igala community in the town. The article cited by OmoIgala is an 11-page study of the Ette community, which shows that Igala and Idoma language are more predominantly spoken than Igbo. Yet, you initially wanted to make everyone believe that Ette is an Igbo community. Here is an excerpt from the study: MULTILINGUALISM AND THE ETHNIC IDENTITY OF THE ETTE PEOPLE by Martha Chidimma Egenti | Department of Linguistics | Nnamdi Azikiwe University Awka Er... the study was carried out by an Igbo-speaking scholar, I believe. I guess you would say it is still not objective. 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by Igboid: 10:14pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
Also, 25.7% feels that their ethnicity is mixed while 28.6% feels their ethnicity is Igala, 34.2% feels they are Idoma, while 11.4% disagree that it is Igbo. |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by bigfrancis21: 10:15pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
Igboid: Correct. I doubt Igala origins for many of the town names in Ette. For example, one town name in Ette is Ogodo and we have an Ogodo community in Imo state: https://umukabiaogodo..com/p/our-history.html Also, another town name in Ette is 'Ebe' and there is another town in Udi LGA of Enugu called 'Ebe'. We have several other towns in Igboland starting with 'ebe' such as ebenator ekwe in Isu LGA Imo state and Ebenator town in Nnewi south Anambra state. 'Ebe' for short simply means 'place' in Igbo. In Awka, we have a bridge called Emenebe bridge. Emenebe is a town name in Ette. Emenebe seems to be a coinage of Emene and Ebe. There's Emene area in Enugu town. Some Igbos bear Emenebe as surname. I am yet to meet an Igala who bears Emenebe as name. Obida strongly points to Igbo origins. Many towns in Igboland start with 'Obi'. For example, Obigbo, Obike in Imo state etc. At least there are 3 town names in Ette that strongly point to Igbo origins. Strange enough, these town names are not found in Igala land. Indicating they are possibly not of Igala origin. Any Igalas here can tell us if these town names: Ebe, Emenebe, Ogodo and Obida have any meanings in Igala. PDP Guber candidate promises to ensure peace in Taraba State 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by laudate: 10:23pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
Igboid: It still shows that the Igbo are in the minority, in the town of Ette. 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by bigfrancis21: 10:31pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
Igboid: Now, let us get scientific. Her study itself is not representative of everyone in the town. First we have to ask what is the sample size used in the study? Did she take out time to survey every or almost all of Etteh community or did she survey a handful of people? The population of Etteh people is about 20,000. The sample size of the author's research is only 50 people. That is only 50 people out of about 20,000 Etteh people were interviewed. Out of the 50 responses gotten only 35 were filled out properly. That means, her study is based on only 35 responses out of about 20,000 Etteh people and such a number is highly selective and does not represent the general consensus of the Etteh people. Her study is not factually correct, objectively speaking. http://www.who.int/tdr/publications/documents/comdti_3.pdf
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Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by laudate: 10:32pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
bigfrancis21: You are still doubting their Igala origins, when the scholar who conducted the study shows clearly from the data available that the Idoma speakers are 60%, the Igala speakers are 40% while only 8.6% speak Igbo? Has it occurred to you that some of the words you cited might have other meanings among the Igala and Idoma. I know Igbo families in Enugu who bear the surname 'Attah.' I also know Igala families in Kogi as well as Efik families who also bear the surname Attah. Are we to infer they all share the same blood ties? I think not. The late Chief Ojo Maduekwe had an interesting first name - "Ojo". I have met several Yoruba people who also bear the name Ojo, either as a first name or a surname. Do we then assume they are all related? Just asking. Even in Lagos, there is a district known as Ogba. In Rivers State, there is an entire community that also bears Ogba. Going by your analysis, I guess we should assume that the district called Ogba not far from Ikeja in Lagos mainland, probably has the same origin as that of the Ogba people of Rivers State. Oh, before I forget.... there is a town called Ozalla in Owan West local govt area of Edo State that is about 30 minutes drive from Benin. There is another town with the same name of Ozalla in Enugu State. Should we say they share the same ancestral heritage because their names are identical? 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by bigfrancis21: 10:34pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
laudate: Now, let us get scientific. Her study itself is not representative of everyone in the town. First we have to ask what is the sample size used in the study? Did she take out time to survey every or almost all of Etteh community or did she survey a handful of people? The population of Etteh people is about 20,000. The sample size of the author's research is only 50 people. That is only 50 people out of about 20,000 Etteh people were interviewed. Out of the 50 responses gotten only 35 were filled out properly. That means, her study is based on only 35 responses out of about 20,000 Etteh people and such a number is highly selective and does not represent the general consensus of the Etteh people. Her study is not factually correct, objectively speaking. http://www.who.int/tdr/publications/documents/comdti_3.pdf I pointed out 4 town names in Ette which MAY NOT be Igala or Idoma but Igbo instead. Which is more credible given the fact that such town names are more common in Igboland and nearly absent in Igala land. To accommodate the possibility of Igala/Idoma origins, I have asked Igala speakers to tell us if these 4 names have any meanings in Igala. Read my post again. Your examples don't make sense because of course there are town similarities between different linguistic zones in Nigeroa. We have an Igbo Ogidi town in Anambra state and a Yoruba Ogidi town in Ajaokuta Kogi state. However, in this case these town names are common in Igboland and nearly absent in Igala land, which tells you that they are more likely to be Igbo than Igala. Ojo is not a common name in Igboland. He may have had a Yoruba mother or given the Ojo name by his parent for a reason. Nnamdi Azikiwe gave his first son Bamidele out of his love for a united Nigeria but as you know the Azikiwe family is not related to Yoruba in any way. |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by laudate: 10:37pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
bigfrancis21: Ok now, you want to discredit the study conducted on the Ette people based on sample size? 2 Likes |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by bigfrancis21: 10:43pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
laudate: Yes of course. The 50 people interviewed could be mostly the Idoma speakers or Igala speakers and it does not tell the true situation of things in Ette. Just as I could conduct my survey on mostly the Igbo speakers and come up with figures in favour of Igbo speakers in Ette but that does not tell the factual truth of the place. That's my point. Rather, an intensive survey of at least 85% or 15,000 of the people would make more sense and is more inclusive of everyone in the town. 4 Likes |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by laudate: 10:46pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
bigfrancis21: Ok, go and conduct your own study or survey in Ette. Then come & post the results here, so we can compare & contrast the outcome. The traditional ruler has an Igala title, but I guess that escaped your notice. 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by bigfrancis21: 10:51pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
laudate: @bold...traditional ruler of the Etteh Igalas right? Just as we have Eze Ndi Igbo in Jos or Abuja right? By the way, the 7 traditional rulers in olumbanasaa Anambra have Igbo titles. They are all called 'Igwe'. 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by Joephat(m): 10:58pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
bigfrancis21: he speaks idioma. but has some similarities with my Enugu-ezike language. my ppl answers surnames like uja, that's 2face's surname and Idoko which is my surname that can also be traced to idioma. 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by laudate: 11:01pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
bigfrancis21: It is rare to see any study that captures the entire inhabitants of a town. To carry out such a large scale study would take years and lots of resources. The unwieldy sample size could also be difficult to administer. Secondly, for what it is worth, the person who carried out the study was actually on ground in Ette and took time out to visit the location. She provided as much data as she could and gave insight into how she arrived at her findings. In comparison to the study you cited, there is nothing in your citation that shows the sample size, how they got their data and nothing to show how the writer of that article arrived at his conclusion that Ette is mostly Igbo-speaking with a few Igala speakers. There is no information about those who even conducted the study, and what the outcome was meant to achieve. And you want us to swallow the assertions in the study you cited?? Now back to the names and nomenclature. In some areas of Lagos, there are streets bearing Igbo names, or roads named after Igbo personalities. Are we to infer that those streets are the ancestral homes of communities in the South-East, who share similar names with those locations? 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by bigfrancis21: 11:05pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
Joephat: Tuface's surname is Idibia, which closely resembles Dibia in Igbo language. Ujah is his middle name. So which state is the guy from? Benue or Etteh part of Enugu state? |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by laudate: 11:07pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
bigfrancis21: The traditional ruler of the entire Ette community has an Igala title. From the records available, he is not a settler in the town unlike the Eze Nd'Igbo in Jos or Abuja. And there is no information, that shows that the traditional ruler of the entire Etteh community is an Igbo man with an Igbo traditional title, such as Igwe or Eze. If you have evidence to show that the traditional ruler of the entire Ette community, is an Igwe or an Eze, kindly paste it here. 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by bigfrancis21: 11:12pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
laudate: @bold...that is untrue. It doesn't take much to interview a small village of 20,000 people. It may take up to a week of distributing survey questions and making sure they fill it out correctly and that is worthy of a true research, not some hastily conducted interview of a handful of people (35) that does not speak for the entire Etteh community of over 20,000 people. Even white researchers will not conduct this level of poor quality research. Their high level of personal investment in anything they do shows how, despite the crude times of back then when they landed in Nigeria, they were often able to correctly tell the differences between the different tribes in southern Nigeria. Pick any of their books on the tribes of southern Nigeria written over 200 years ago and read and observe how valid and correct their observations are till today. In research, whites are often very thorough and will take pains to make sure they cover everything and leave no stone unturned. However, for many black researchers, they conduct rather hasty 'research' and come to irrelevant conclusions. Then one wonders why blacks as a whole is backwards. Or maybe I should survey 35 English-speaking children in Lagos state and use that as my basis to claim that majority of Nigerian children are English-speaking. Does that sound like quality research to you, huh? In the end, her study is seriously flawed and should not be taken seriously. A handful number of people (35) does not represent an entire Ette population of over 20,000 people. QED. 2 Likes |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by Revolva(m): 11:14pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
Igboid: Igalas originated from Ida in present day kogi state.... and an be found majorliy in kogi state and extentions in borders of anambra state, Nzam community ...ugbedo.... edo state...illushi ifeku island... delta state ebu oshimili north LGA and if possible ette. Enugu ..thanks for educating me about ette....i never knew there are igalas there....ok |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by Joephat(m): 11:15pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
bigfrancis21: he is from Benue, that Ujah, we answer ujah too and I got to know the meaning of my surname *Idoko* from somebody from Benue. Idoko means kings' heritage. 2 Likes |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by bigfrancis21: 11:17pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
Revolva: Not all Igalas migrated from Ida. There are 2 sources of origin that make up the Igala stock: the atta origin and the eri origin from Anambra state. For example, the igalamela/odolu people. Majority are not descendants of Abule Ejeh. 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by bigfrancis21: 11:20pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
Joephat: Ok. The meaning comes from Idoma right? How much percentage similar would you say the dialect of Idoma he spoke is close to yours? 10%, 25%? |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by laudate: 11:22pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
bigfrancis21: But your own study which you cited, which makes sweeping assertions about the number of speakers with no shred of data to back it up, and no information on the outcome, as well as zero information on the scholars who carried out the study, is NOT seriously flawed, ko? You have obviously never conducted a study in Nigeria, especially rural Nigeria which is why you think it would take a week to survey 20,000 inhabitants of a town. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by bigfrancis21: 11:24pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
laudate: Well, the binis conquered some parts of western Igboland and Lagos mainland and imposed bini Obas on them. The royal family of lagos state is of bini ancestry. Several Obis of some villages in Anioma came solely from Bini, however they married native Igbo wives and raised Igbo-speaking families. However, it does not mean that western igboland or lagos are binis. It is clear from history that the atta of igala sought to conquer and dominate northern igboland, which they did for a while and imposed 'attamas' (as in Nsukka) or 'attas' in certain areas that they conquered. This may be the case for Etteh community. I strongly suspect. |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by laudate: 11:26pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
bigfrancis21: Oga, don't suspect. Provide proof! |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by bigfrancis21: 11:27pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
laudate: It was conducted by a foreign organization, the World Health Organization (WHO) and given their known high level of personal investment in research, I would take their findings over the half-baked and biased articles written by pro-igala black people claiming Igala majority, when an overwhelming number of articles say they are minority, any day anytime. I am sure that of the foreign organization must have been more thorough and well done. Isn't it funny how the only articles that claim Etteh as Igala majority are 'Igalatic' articles by Igala people? How come no article by a non-Igala claims Etteh to be Igala majority?? |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by bigfrancis21: 11:29pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
laudate: More than likely so. |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by omonnakoda: 11:29pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
bigfrancis21:Your logic is funny ,the names are more common in Igboland therefore they are more likely to be Igbo Bamidele example is totally irrelevant. People may name their children for sentimental reasons but the names of towns are a more significant and serious matter Anyone who has a map and nothing to do will find place names across Nigeria that can be found elsewhere, The logical conclusion is the words though sounding similar have different meanings in different languages rather than your bizarre conclusion that the names must be Igbo BECAUSE they are more common an asertion that is not only illogical but also unsubstantiated. Your line of reasoning is desperate . One that will do anything,say anything,believe anything as long as it aligns with your predetermined conclusions 2 Likes |
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