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Re: Does God Give Bad Gifts? - Paul Ellis by Tajbol4splend(m): 10:00am On Oct 14, 2018
Gog created us to worship him in the way he has laid down and our world will not be unbearable but he will test our belief in the course with challenges, our reactions to those those challenges tell our position with him. Only in this life you can have injustices and this life ain't the last stop
Re: Does God Give Bad Gifts? - Paul Ellis by Nobody: 10:05am On Oct 14, 2018
God gives us good gifts but then he also takes us through trials like Job to test our faith in him
Re: Does God Give Bad Gifts? - Paul Ellis by Sleekfingers: 10:37am On Oct 14, 2018
Africans and useless religions...most especially Christianity and Islam.....

There are thousands of religions in the world...

In Nigeria...if there wife can't make eba...they will start calling God like mad goats...

When they failed to prepare for exams...they will be. Calling God for good result...

And goes on and on....

When a generating set is on..and they try to pour petrol in it . And it explode....these dumb ass Nigerians will still say na God...

Abegi
Re: Does God Give Bad Gifts? - Paul Ellis by bluecircle470: 10:50am On Oct 14, 2018
The Bible says do not attribute bad things to God
Re: Does God Give Bad Gifts? - Paul Ellis by brainhgeek(m): 10:52am On Oct 14, 2018
Thanks bro for this piece.
If all of a sudden, God has decided that poverty is the way to make us righteous then I think God needs to apologize to Christians for making fathers of faith (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Solomon, etc) super rich.
Re: Does God Give Bad Gifts? - Paul Ellis by Nobody: 11:09am On Oct 14, 2018
jiggaz:
Does God give us sickness, poverty, and recessions? Should earthquakes, tsunamis and acts of terrorism be interpreted as his divine judgment on a sinful world? Does God kill babies? Are these dumb questions? You might think so except that many sincere Christians believe all these terrible things are from God.

In this two-part series on God’s gifts, I want to look at two people in the Bible who said some stupendously dumb things about God and his gifts. Both were believers who spoke with sincere hearts. Yet both had a distorted view of God’s character. Consequently their theology was a little messed up and the result is that their dumb comments were recorded for our benefit. Sometimes having the negative helps us appreciate the positive.

The first of my two case studies is Hannah, the mother of Samuel. Hannah was barren, so she prayed for a miracle. When her prayers were answered she praised God and her mostly beautiful prayer is recorded in 1 Samuel 2. In the middle of her prayer, Hannah says this:

“The LORD brings death and makes alive; he brings down to the grave and raises up. The LORD sends poverty and wealth; he humbles and he exalts.” (1 Sam 2:6-7)

It sounds kind of poetic the way that Hannah sees the hand of God behind everything that goes on in the world. Afterall, God is God and surely nothing happens without his say-so. But stop for a second and take a closer look. Hannah is declaring that death and poverty come from God. In other words, this godly lady seems to believe that God is, at least sometimes, the author of evil.

God is not a killer

This is a classic problem of perspective. Hannah saw God from a distance. She related to him under the temporary, and now-obsolete death-dealing covenant of the law. That covenant linked human performance with both blessings and curses and so I guess it made some kind of sense for Hannah to speak of a sovereign God who brings death and sends poverty to his people – even if it isn’t true.
So why is this passage in the Bible if it’s misleading and inaccurate?

It’s in the Bible because it is a picture of what God might look like to someone who doesn’t know Jesus. Without Jesus, death and poverty are things to dread but accept as inevitable. Without Jesus they are a normal part of life. But we are not like Hannah. We live after the cross. We have Jesus. For us death is a disarmed enemy waiting to be defeated (1 Cor 15:26, 55). Death is sin’s wage, not God’s gift. It is the absence of something good. If you’re uncertain about God’s views on death, ask yourself this: when Jesus went to funerals was he more likely to (a) raise the dead, or (b) tell people that death is a gift from God?
It’s the same with poverty.

Poverty is a fact of life for many people, but I’m not going to go to Africa or South Auckland to tell people that their poverty is a gift from God. Many people in the western world have issues with the so-called prosperity gospel. Well I have a big problem with the poverty gospel that keeps us from rising up and taking the inheritance that is ours in Christ. The poverty gospel says it’s good to be poor, sick and lowly because these things keep us humble. What nonsense! True humility isn’t learned from living in the pig pen. True humility comes from a proper appreciation of the Father’s extravagant love and grace shown to undeserving us. I think even Hannah had some understanding of God’s grace in this regard, for right after she said poverty was a gift from God she said this:

“He raises the poor from the dust and lifts the needy from the ash heap; he seats them with princes and has them inherit a throne of honor.” (1 Sam 2:cool

The poverty gospel is not good news

The devil wants you to think that poverty is a controversial subject, that we need a lot of balance when talking about these matters. But we don’t, we just need to read the Bible in light of the finished work of the cross (take 2 Corinthians 8:9 for starters). Poverty is a curse, not a gift. We should not accept it anymore than we accept sickness or suffering or death or disease.

If you’re one of those who thinks God gives us bad gifts to teach us good things, let me ask you this: Is there poverty in heaven? Is there death in heaven? Of course not! And if these things are not God’s will in heaven, why would we think they are his will here on earth?

God gives good gifts

We can’t blame Hannah for the things she said when she didn’t know Jesus. If Hannah had known Jesus she would’ve known that God is an extraordinary giver who gives extraordinary gifts. We know this is true because Jesus said so:

For God so loved the world that he gave his Son…” (Jn 3:16)
His Son is just one of many priceless gifts that God has given us. He has also given us his Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38), his kingdom (Lk 12:32), his grace (Eph 3:7), his righteousness (Rms 1:17), his justification (Rms 8:1), his authority (Mt 16:19), his wisdom (Jas 1:5), his rest (Mt 11:28), eternal life (Rms 6:23), indeed every spiritual blessing (Eph 1:3)
. If you know Jesus you probably know that our heavenly Father is a good and generous God who loves to give and give and give:

He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things?” (Rms 8:32)

We live after the cross, so we have no excuse for being confused about these things. God is good and everything he does is good and everything he gives is good. He never, ever gives us bad gifts and he is not the author of evil. He doesn’t act one way in heaven and another way on earth.
God doesn’t send earthquakes or hurricanes to kill people. He doesn’t make us sick to teach us stuff
. He is not using terrorism to judge the West or conflict to judge the Middle East or poverty to judge the South. He already judged all of our sins at the cross.

Sin continues to have terrible consequences in this fallen world, but God’s response was to give us his Son. Jesus remains the perfect and complete remedy to poverty, injustice, corruption, greed, child abuse, human trafficking, disease and death. When the church realizes this and stops tolerating things that aren’t tolerated in heaven, the world will be radically changed.

In the second part of this series, we will look at another godly person whose distorted view of God led to one of the most misquoted scriptures in the Bible.


https://escapetoreality.org/2010/07/26/does-god-give-bad-gifts/

God does not care about Planet earth.
Re: Does God Give Bad Gifts? - Paul Ellis by Seytex: 11:24am On Oct 14, 2018
the way we Christians twist the word always baffles me. we've twisted the word so te we are now confused.
Re: Does God Give Bad Gifts? - Paul Ellis by jiggaz(m): 11:36am On Oct 14, 2018
brainhgeek:
Thanks bro for this piece.
If all of a sudden, God has decided that poverty is the way to make us righteous then I think God needs to apologize to Christians for making fathers of faith (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Solomon, etc) super rich.
you welcome bro.
Re: Does God Give Bad Gifts? - Paul Ellis by DedeNkem: 12:30pm On Oct 14, 2018
Your imaginary god doesn't exist talkless of doing anything.
Re: Does God Give Bad Gifts? - Paul Ellis by spencekat(m): 1:04pm On Oct 14, 2018
No
Re: Does God Give Bad Gifts? - Paul Ellis by Tees9: 1:56pm On Oct 14, 2018
nice piece bro, its d undiluted truth..... more grace. we keep praying that the eyes of their understanding be opened.
The gift of God maketh rich and adds no sorrow.
Re: Does God Give Bad Gifts? - Paul Ellis by Bianda24: 2:28pm On Oct 14, 2018
DedeNkem:
Your imaginary god doesn't exist talkless doing anything.

That is why your life is miserable
Re: Does God Give Bad Gifts? - Paul Ellis by johnnie999: 2:50pm On Oct 14, 2018
So any dead person died because he/she has committed a sin ? And all sinners are going to hell fire , so everybody is going to hell fire , because we are all going to die one day. I don’t agree with that... both good things and bad things are from God, so work and pray for the good things....

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Re: Does God Give Bad Gifts? - Paul Ellis by Nobody: 3:28pm On Oct 14, 2018
All i can tell you is that God is perfect and makes no mistakes.... When he said in his image and likeness.... He never meant the physical.... God gives all good gifts and anything given to someone whether disabilities or disease is not a mistake neither is it a bad gift... Its meant for you to learn and recognise him... As there is nothing like natural disaster cos everything happens as the Lord wishes.... He commands all.... Remember where there is a mistake there is no perfection and where there is need of correction there cant be God
Re: Does God Give Bad Gifts? - Paul Ellis by jiggaz(m): 4:33pm On Oct 14, 2018
Tees9:
nice piece bro, its d undiluted truth..... more grace.
we keep praying that the eyes of their understanding be opened.

The gift of God maketh rich and adds no sorrow.
thank you bro...
Re: Does God Give Bad Gifts? - Paul Ellis by jiggaz(m): 7:51pm On May 31, 2020
Evening
Re: Does God Give Bad Gifts? - Paul Ellis by jiggaz(m): 9:08pm On Jun 01, 2020
Does he?
Re: Does God Give Bad Gifts? - Paul Ellis by jiggaz(m): 8:41am On Jun 02, 2020
Morning
Re: Does God Give Bad Gifts? - Paul Ellis by jiggaz(m): 9:41pm On Jun 02, 2020
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