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Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by talk2hb1(m): 1:31pm On Dec 09, 2016
FriendChoice:


Let me just to ignore you. You ain't making any sense.
Neither do you grin grin grin
Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by Nobody: 1:50pm On Dec 09, 2016
There are sooo many things wrong with this that I am not even sure where to start. It's very important to get information from the deen from the right sources. I will deal with the first two questions and answers first.
usmanktg2:
THE MAWLID-UN-NABI: Q & A

By: Shaykh Fakhruddin Owaisi al-Madani (South Africa)

Q1-What is the ruling (hukm) regarding celebrating the Mawlid-un-Nabi:

A1: Any action we do may be judged by the Shari ah as being of one of the following five categories:

-Fard (Obligatory)
-Mustahabb (Recommended)
-Mubah/Ja iz (Simply Permissible)
-Makruh (Discouraged)
-Haram (Forbidden)

Past and present Ulama from the four Madhabs (Hanafi, Shafi, Maliki and Hanbali) have considered the commemoration of the Prophet (SAW) birth as being Mubah, i.e. permissible, as there is no evidence in the Shari ah that prohibits such an event.

In fact, there is some evidence that actually supports the commemoration of the noble
birth. For example:

- Allah says in the Qur an:

Say in the Bounty of Allah and His Mercy, Let them rejoice . (Surah Yunus,
verse 58).

There is no greater bounty given to creation than the Holy Prophet (SAW).

- The Qur an narrates to us the stories of the births of Prophets Isa, Musa and Yahya (AS) in an honorable manner. As the greatest of the Prophets, the birth of Nabi Muhammad (SAW) is even more deserving of such attention.

- Imam al-Bukhari narrates that when the Prophet (SAW) was born, his uncle, the unbeliever Abu-Lahab freed the slave-girl Thuwaybah that brought him the good news, by gesturing to her with his finger. When Abu-Lahab passed away, his brother Sayyidna al-Abbas (RA) saw him in dream and asked him about his condition. He replied: I am in severe punishment, but my punishment is lessened every Monday as I am allowed to suck some water from that finger of mine with which I freed Thuwaybah .
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The scholars differed on this hadith, but that is not the issue.


- It is also narrated by Imam Muslim that the Prophet (SAW) used to fast on Mondays. When asked why, he (SAW) replied: That is the day I was born .

Is fasting the same as celebrating? How about the sahabas? What saheeh hadith suggests that they celebrated the prophet's birthday?

It was also narrated Inarrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:“Deeds are shown (to Allaah) on Mondays and Thursdays, and[b]I like my deeds to be shown when I am fasting.[/b]”
Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 747; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Targheeb, 1041.

That is why many scholars have been very supportive of the Mawlid. For example, the great 9th Century Shafi i scholar Imam Jalaluddin al-Suyuti writes in his Al-Hawi lil Fatawi:

To commemorate the Mawlid, which is basically gathering people together, reciting parts of the Qu'ran, narrating stories about the Prophet's birth and the signs that accompanied it, then serving food, and afterwards, departing, i[b]s one of the good innovations; and the one who practices it gets rewarded[/b], because it involves venerating the status of the Prophet and expressing joy at his honorable birth.

Do we love the prophet (peace and blessing be upon him) more than the sahabas? How can someone make this statement? what are the evidences for it?

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stated repeatedly that: "Every newly-invented thing is a bid'ah (innovation), every bid'ah is a going astray, and every going astray will be in the Fire." (Reported by al-Nisaa'i in al-Sunan, Salaat al-'Eedayn, Baab kayfa al-Khutbah).

The best of speech is the Book of Allaah and the best of guidance is the guidance of Muhammad. The worst of things are those which are newly-invented, and every innovation is a going astray…" (reported by Muslim, no. 867)

However, while commemorating the Mawlid cannot be considered Haram, it also must not be considered Fard. It must be understood that it is simply a beneficial practice that is nevertheless not obligatory.Note, too, that while commemorating the Mawlid itself is only Mubah, many of the actions done in it are Mustahabb (Recommended) such as recitation of Salawat, coming together of Muslims, discussing the life of the Prophet (SAW), feeding the hungry etc.

People will undoubtedly be rewarded for these actions. Wa Llahu A lam.

The prophet (peace and blessing be upon him) told us otherwise.


Q2-Is commemorating the Mawlid un-Nabi a bid ah (an innovation)?

Bid ah refers to beliefs and practices that appeared after the era of the Holy Prophet (SAW). Broadly speaking, bidah s are acceptable or unacceptable depending upon whether or not they fall under the general principles and spirit of the Qur an and Sunnah.

Given this they will be classified according to the five Shari ah rulings mentioned above.

Therefore, some bidah s may be obligatory such as writing books on the din and the gathering of the Qur an and hadith into book form. Some may be recommended such as the translation of the Qur an, the congregational Tarawih prayer and the second adhan for Jumu ah. Some Bid ah s may simply permitted such as performing Eid Salah in Mosques, qira ah programs, Qur anic competitions and the commemoration of Mawlid as noted earlier. Depending upon the intention and results, such permitted bidah s may even become recommended.

Discouraged innovations would be to have the Holy Qur an on a cellphone, as some Ulama have said. Forbidden bidah s are any innovated beliefs and practices that are in clear violation of agreed upon principles and rulings of the Shari ah.

The hadith that states that every bidah is a misguidance refers to this last category of bid ah only as explained by hadith authority Imam al-Nawawi in his commentary on Sahih Muslim (Volume 6, p154):

I am really astionished by what I am reading.....It is VERY CLEAR that this sheikh's definition of bidah is different from the prophet's (peace and blessing be upon him) definition. The hadith clearly states that ALL.... so why did this sheikh have to make a differentiation?

It's important to understand that "bid'ah" is defined as: any invented way in religion that is aimed at worshipping or drawing closer to Allaah. This means anything that is not referred to specifically in Sharee'ah, and for which there is no evidence (daleel) in the Qur'aan or Sunnah, and which was not known at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and his Companions. At the same time, it is quite obvious that this definition of religious inventions or innovations, which are condemned, does not include worldly inventions [such as cars and washing machines etc].

Maulid perfectly fits this definition.It did not exist during the time of the prophet (peace and blessing be upon him). Neither his generation or the best generations after him celebrated it. To those asking for evidences, there are enough evidences that tell us that it is prohibited. Just the mere fact that it's a bidah is enough.
If you want to rule it as permissible, please provide a saheeh hadith that tells us to celebrate the prophet (peace and blessing be upon him) like the Christians celebrate Jesus.

I will stop here for now.

https://islamqa.info/en/219307
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Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by yusufbida(m): 2:23pm On Dec 09, 2016
usmanktg2:
THE MAWLID-UN-NABI: Q & A

By: Shaykh Fakhruddin Owaisi al-Madani (South Africa)

Q1-What is the ruling (hukm) regarding celebrating the Mawlid-un-Nabi:

A1: Any action we do may be judged by the Shari ah as being of one of the following five categories:

-Fard (Obligatory)
-Mustahabb (Recommended)
-Mubah/Ja iz (Simply Permissible)
-Makruh (Discouraged)
-Haram (Forbidden)

Past and present Ulama from the four Madhabs (Hanafi, Shafi, Maliki and Hanbali) have considered the commemoration of the Prophet (SAW) birth as being Mubah, i.e. permissible, as there is no evidence in the Shari ah that prohibits such an event.

In fact, there is some evidence that actually supports the commemoration of the noble
birth. For example:

- Allah says in the Qur an:

Say in the Bounty of Allah and His Mercy, Let them rejoice . (Surah Yunus,
verse 58).

There is no greater bounty given to creation than the Holy Prophet (SAW).

- The Qur an narrates to us the stories of the births of Prophets Isa, Musa and Yahya (AS) in an honorable manner. As the greatest of the Prophets, the birth of Nabi Muhammad (SAW) is even more deserving of such attention.

- Imam al-Bukhari narrates that when the Prophet (SAW) was born, his uncle, the unbeliever Abu-Lahab freed the slave-girl Thuwaybah that brought him the good news, by gesturing to her with his finger. When Abu-Lahab passed away, his brother Sayyidna al-Abbas (RA) saw him in dream and asked him about his condition. He replied: I am in severe punishment, but my punishment is lessened every Monday as I am allowed to suck some water from that finger of mine with which I freed Thuwaybah .

- It is also narrated by Imam Muslim that the Prophet (SAW) used to fast on Mondays. When asked why, he (SAW) replied: That is the day I was born .

That is why many scholars have been very supportive of the Mawlid. For example, the great 9th Century Shafi i scholar Imam Jalaluddin al-Suyuti writes in his Al-Hawi lil Fatawi:

To commemorate the Mawlid, which is basically gathering people together, reciting parts of the Qu'ran, narrating stories about the Prophet's birth and the signs that accompanied it, then serving food, and afterwards, departing, is one of the good innovations; and the one who practices it gets rewarded, because it involves venerating the status of the Prophet and expressing joy at his honorable birth.

However, while commemorating the Mawlid cannot be considered Haram, it also must not be considered Fard. It must be understood that it is simply a beneficial practice that is nevertheless not obligatory.

Note, too, that while commemorating the Mawlid itself is only Mubah, many of the actions done in it are Mustahabb (Recommended) such as recitation of Salawat, coming together of Muslims, discussing the life of the Prophet (SAW), feeding the hungry etc.

People will undoubtedly be rewarded for these actions. Wa Llahu A lam.

Q2-Is commemorating the Mawlid un-Nabi a bid ah (an innovation)?

Bid ah refers to beliefs and practices that appeared after the era of the Holy Prophet (SAW). Broadly speaking, bidah s are acceptable or unacceptable depending upon whether or not they fall under the general principles and spirit of the Qur an and Sunnah.

Given this they will be classified according to the five Shari ah rulings mentioned above.

Therefore, some bidah s may be obligatory such as writing books on the din and the gathering of the Qur an and hadith into book form. Some may be recommended such as the translation of the Qur an, the congregational Tarawih prayer and the second adhan for Jumu ah. Some Bid ah s may simply permitted such as performing Eid Salah in Mosques, qira ah programs, Qur anic competitions and the commemoration of Mawlid as noted earlier. Depending upon the intention and results, such permitted bidah s may even become recommended.

Discouraged innovations would be to have the Holy Qur an on a cellphone, as some Ulama have said. Forbidden bidah s are any innovated beliefs and practices that are in clear violation of agreed upon principles and rulings of the Shari ah.

The hadith that states that every bidah is a misguidance refers to this last category of bid ah only as explained by hadith authority Imam al-Nawawi in his commentary on Sahih Muslim (Volume 6, p154):

What is meant by it is new matters that are not validated by the Shari ah. That - and that alone - is what are meant by innovations.

Q3-What is the ruling on standing up to recite Salawat (Salutations) and Salam (Greetings of Peace) upon the Prophet (SAW):

It is permissible if done with the intention of respecting the Prophet (SAW), and without the belief that it is obligatory. The Qur an has ordered us to present the Salam to the Prophet (SAW) in a respectful manner as implied in the verse Wa Sallimu Taslima i.e. And send worthy greetings of Peace upon him . (Qur an 33:56)

Furthermore, it is permissible in Islam to stand up to greet any honorable or beloved person. The Prophet (SAW) used to stand up to greet many people, including his beloved daughter Sayyidah Fatimah Zahra (RA).

Imam al-Bukhari narrates that once the Prophet (SAW) was sitting in the Mosque and saw a funeral passing by. So he immediately stood up in respect of it. He was then told that it was actually the funeral of a Jew. So he (SAW) replied; It is still a soul.

The Ulama have also deemed it permissible to stand up for a national anthem. It has for centuries been the custom in many Muslim lands to stand up when reciting the Salawat and Salam on the Prophet (SAW), especially upon hearing the news of his Birth, so as to display love, gratefulness and respect. This practice has been commended by Ulama from all 4 Madhhabs.

The Mufti of the Shafi i madhab of Medina al-Imam al-Sayyid Ja far al-Barzanji wrote in his Mawlid that:

Scholars of great character and knowledge have commended the practice of standing up at the mention of the Prophet (SAW) s birth. So glad-tiding to the one whose goal and purpose is to honor the Prophet (SAW).

This was written by him in Medina four centuries ago, and he referred to scholars before his time.

The Salawat can be recited in all positions: sitting as in the Jalsah (sitting position) in Salah, or standing as in the Salat-ul-Janazah or even while lying down.

Furthermore, it is general command of the Shariah to display all sorts of love, honor and veneration to the Prophet (SAW) [Qur an 7:157; 33:6 amongst others], as long as it does not involve any prohibited action. Wa Llahu A lam.

Q4-Is it possible for the Prophet (SAW) to be present at a Mawlid gathering?

The blessed body of the Prophet (SAW) is buried in Medina. But his Soul, like the souls of all Prophets and pious believers, is free to roam in the Kingdom of Allah to attend blessed gatherings. Evidence for this is what occurred on the Night of the Mi raj when all the Prophets gathered in al-Quds to meet and pray behind our Prophet (SAW). Many of them met him again in the Heavens.

Ibn al-Qayyim mentions in his Kitab al-Ruh that the famous Companion Sayyidna Salman al-Farisi (RA) said:

The souls of the believers are in a partition from the (visible) earth, they go anywhere they want to.

He also quotes the great Imam Malik as saying:

I was informed that the soul is free; it goes anywhere it wants to.

The above has also been confirmed by great Classical scholars such as Imam al-Suyuti and Imam Ibn-Hajar al-Haytami in their Fatawa.

However, a person who experiences the spiritual presence of the Prophet (SAW) at any gathering should normally keep such things to him or herself. In general, this is a matter of the unseen and it is best to not to delve into the issue unnecessarily.

Q5-What are the Riwayats popularly recited in Cape Town?

The Riwayats are basically narrations on the happenings of the noble Birth of the Prophet (SAW), compiled in a book from by the 16th century Mufti of the Shafi i madhab in Medina al-Imam al-Sayyid Ja far al-Barzanji. Whatever is mentioned in them is authentically sourced from the books of Hadith and Sirah (biographies of the Prophet). Its a blessing to recite them as it is a blessing to recite any hadith of the Prophet (SAW).

Muslim throughout the world recite these Riwayat during the blessed month of Mawlud. They are usually referred to in other parts of the world as Mawlid al-Barzanji.

Shaykh Fakhruddin Owaisi al-Madani is a Lecturer in Hadith at IPSA.
Sh. Fakhruddin completed a Master s dissertation on the issue of Mawlid and Bid ah at the University of Cape Town.

Na'am
JazakaLahu khairan for your contributions
Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by Nobody: 2:31pm On Dec 09, 2016
talk2hb1:
Yeah
Can you provide evidence of getting a University Degree from either the Quran or any Hadith?

There are many evidences from kitab wa sunnah about seeking knowledge in Islaam.

I know ur type, u r d ppl who say wen told what is bidia, what is sunnah, ur type will say " shey d prophet used spoon, did he use microphone ni, etc" not knowing what bidia is!?!?

I didn't want to ansa you b4 bcuz of what is known about you. No one with right aqeedah and manhaj takes you 'talk2hb1' seriously.

One question to you too;
Salamihabeeb abi what's ur name.. Can you provide evidence of not getting a University degree from either the Quran or any hadith?

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Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by Nobody: 2:42pm On Dec 09, 2016
usmanktg2:
Keep debating it, while we keep celebrating it.

Assalamu Alayka Ya Rasulullah!!!

In shaaa Allaah we'll warn people of this filthy innovation hattaa yaumal qiyama in shaaa Allaah. We can only warn people of it who are ignorant of this nonsense celebration, not force them. You can continue on this misguidance and keep sinning through it, Allaah never forgets!!!!.

The way you said "Keep debating it, while we keep celebrating it. Assalamu Alayka Ya Rasulullah" you said it fanatically like a football supporter, May Allaah forgive us all.

We don't really care what you celebrate or not.

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Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by Nobody: 2:46pm On Dec 09, 2016
usmanktg2:
You are making Haram what Allah nor the Prophet SAW made Haram.


Please Quote anywhere from the Quraan or Hadith that state, MAULID IS HARAM.
If you can quote anywhere, Wallahi I will not celebrate it again.


Pls quote anywhere from Quran and hadith that states "Maulid is Halaal". If you can quote it anywhere, I'll start celebrating it!!!!!!!!

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Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by busar(m): 2:49pm On Dec 09, 2016
HAH:


who is talking about evidence, I said if you reason with it, or do you have problem with comprehension.

Beside do you have any evidence that expressly prohibit Maulud in the quran, so far the wahabis only use concoction and narrative of their. Scholars to debunk Maulud.

However to me there is nothing wrong is celebrating the life and times of our nabiyy
in Islam we talk with evidence not just Whosoever think with his head. And when it comes to ibaadah there must be an evidence at least that permit such. Bro bring your evidence first before we would now reason.
Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by busar(m): 2:50pm On Dec 09, 2016
talk2hb1:

What is not an act of worship in Islam?
or do you think Islam permits ignorance and illiteracy?
you have not answered my question bro. is acquiring a degree an act of worship in Islam??

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Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by HAH: 2:53pm On Dec 09, 2016
busar:
in Islam we talk with evidence not just Whosoever think with his head. And when it comes to ibaadah there must be an evidence at least that permit such. Bro bring your evidence first before we would now reason.

My brother whatever evidence you bring is not cast on stone as long as it is not from the quran. The question is it wrong to celebrate the life and times of our holy prophet?
Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by bapullow: 2:53pm On Dec 09, 2016
HAH:
A Muslim in France send me this MIND BLOWING MASHALLAH

I was sitting in a coffee shop in France one day drinking coffee.

On the table next to me sat a bearded man looking at me.

I got up, sat by him and asked him,

'Are you a Muslim? '

He smiled and replied,

'I am a Jordanian Jew. I am a Rabbi doing a PhD research on Islam.'

I asked, 'What aspect of Islam are you doing your research on?'

He became ashamed then answered thoughtfully after a while,

'I am researching the extremism in Muslims.'

I laughed out loud and asked, 'Where have you got up to with your research?'

He sighed and said,
'My research has been completed and I am now writing the paper.'

I asked, 'What are the findings of your research?'

He sighed deeply, looked left and right, lowered his head and said,

'After five years of continuous research, I have come to the conclusion that the Muslims love their Prophet more than Islam.

They tolerate all types of attacks on Islam but they do not tolerate any fingers being pointed towards their Prophet.'

This was a shocking answer for me. I lowered my coffee mug onto the table and sat up straight.

He continued,
'According to my research, whenever Muslims fight or rise up, the reason for it is the personage of their Prophet.

You may seize their mosques, destroy their governments, put limitations on the printing of the Quran or you may kill all of their families - they will tolerate all these things.

However, as soon as you take the name of their Prophet with an incorrect tone, they rise up.

Thereafter it will not matter whether you are a brave warrior or Firawn, they will clash with you.'

I stared at him in amazement. He said,
'According to my findings, the day the love of Rasulullah (Sallahu alaihi Wassalamu) no longer remain in the hearts of Muslims, Islam will no longer remain.

Therefore if you want to finish Islam, you have to take out the Prophet from the heart of the Muslims.'

With that he put down his coffee mug, picked up his bag, placed it on his shoulder, greeted me and left.

But I remained shaken.

I considered the Jewish Rabbi to be my benefactor because before meeting him I was a Muslim by name only but in a few sentences he had explained Islam to me.

I realised that the love of Rasulullah (Sallahu alaihi Wassalamu) was the spirit of Islam and as long as this spirit was alive, Islam was alive.

The day this spirit dies then there will no longer remain any difference between us, Christians and Jews."
**********
COPIED

If you reason with the above then let's celebrate the life and time of our nabiyy SAW. Happy Maulud
So why people who luv d prophet d most his companion (sahabah) doesn't celebrate d maulud

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Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by Nobody: 2:55pm On Dec 09, 2016
[/quote]Shaykh Fakhruddin Owaisi al-Madani is a Lecturer in Hadith at IPSA.
Sh. Fakhruddin completed a Master s dissertation on the issue of Mawlid and Bid ah at the University of Cape Town.[/quote]

This ur shaykh, who's he, is he on the path of salaf, has he been verified to be a worthy person to be FATAWAing by ulamas on the ryt manhaj and aqeedah...

Bcuz if it is by going to University to study Arabic, islamic studies, there are millions like him world wide. There are jews, christians who study and have phd, msc, etc in Islamic studies, does that make dem Fatawa-worthy?

Infact, the first Prof in Islamic studies or Arabic or so was a non-muslim!!!!!

Making fatwas to suit whims and fancies will make one incur the anger of Allaah!!!

Allaahu musta'an.

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Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by Nobody: 2:58pm On Dec 09, 2016
talk2hb1:
What is not an act of worship in Islam? or do you think Islam permits ignorance and illiteracy?
This you're exhibiting is IGNORANCE and ILLITERACY.

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Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by Nobody: 3:00pm On Dec 09, 2016
usmanktg2:


Thank you brother, Can you show me anywhere from the Quran and Hadith that state "MAULID IS HARAM"? or "DO NOT CELEBRATE MY MAULID"

You can read:
http://www.islamicsupremecouncil.com/celebrating-prophet-muhammads-birthday-eid-milad-un-nabi/


Bidia is dalal and dalal leads to naar..this has evidence from hadith...


Can you also show me anywhere also whr 'Maulud is Halaal' or "do celebrate My maulud"

I dare you and ur pseudo-shaykhs!!!!!!

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Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by busar(m): 3:05pm On Dec 09, 2016
HAH:


My brother whatever evidence you bring is not cast on stone as long as it is not from the quran. The question is it wrong to celebrate the life and times of our holy prophet?
it is very wrong to celebrate Maulud Nabiyy. He never did neither the sahaba nor the taabi'een, likewise the taabi taabi'een. These aforementioned generations are the best of generations according to the prophet. They are knowledgeable about the deen and more pious.

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Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by Nobody: 3:07pm On Dec 09, 2016
maulud is totally bidia... its just copying Christian Christmas

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Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by Demmzy15(m): 3:30pm On Dec 09, 2016
FriendChoice:
Knowledgeable Muslims in the building should contribute in enlightening the forum on the origin of Maulud.

When does it start?

Is Maulud from Prophet (SAW) time or his companions or tabiun or tabiunat tabiun.?

Is it an Islamic duty? is there any reward?

Difference between Maulud and Christian birthday or Birthday of Jesus pbum ?

MrOlai QuotaSystem ,Demmzy15 lexiconkabir snapscore Sissie RABIUSHILE04
According to the majority Scholars of Ahl Sunnah, this innovation was started by the Ismaili Shi'as. Some claim this celebration is so important, but neither the Prophet(saw) nor the Salafs practiced, if they didn't do it, then why bother ourselves?

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Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by usmanktg2(m): 3:32pm On Dec 09, 2016
RABIUSHILE04:



Bidia is dalal and dalal leads to naar..this has evidence from hadith...


Can you also show me anywhere also whr 'Maulud is Halaal' or "do celebrate My maulud"

I dare you and ur pseudo-shaykhs!!!!!!

Hahahahaa.... Exactly what am waiting for. What take you so long?
So, it is apparently clear to everyone that you have no evidence.

You call yourselves Ahlussunna, but you can't quote the Qur'an or the Hadith, You can only quote your shaykhs.


This is a piety.
Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by Ugogenius(m): 3:39pm On Dec 09, 2016
FriendChoice:
Knowledgeable Muslims in the building should contribute in enlightening the forum on the origin of Maulud.

When does it start?

Is Maulud from Prophet (SAW) time or his companions or tabiun or tabiunat tabiun.?

Is it an Islamic duty? is there any reward?

Difference between Maulud and Christian birthday or Birthday of Jesus pbum ?

MrOlai QuotaSystem ,Demmzy15 lexiconkabir snapscore Sissie RABIUSHILE04
remember your birthday, don't celebrate your birthday!
Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by HAH: 3:41pm On Dec 09, 2016
post=51775125:
it is very wrong to celebrate Maulud Nabiyy. He never did neither the sahaba nor the taabi'een, likewise the taabi taabi'een. These aforementioned generations are the best of generations according to the prophet. They are knowledgeable about the deen and more pious.
. Alhamdullihahi you have said it is wrong to celebrate maulud, personally I believe it is one choice to either celebrate it or not, but castigating it

We love our prophet and we can celebrate him
Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by Demmzy15(m): 3:50pm On Dec 09, 2016
Ugogenius:
remember your birthday, don't celebrate your birthday!
I rarely do, in fact I forget sometimes.

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Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by busar(m): 3:51pm On Dec 09, 2016
HAH:


My brother whatever evidence you bring is not cast on stone as long as it is not from the quran. The question is it wrong to celebrate the life and times of our holy prophet?
you seem to be among the quraniyoon the prophet talked about thousands of years ago.

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Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by Amoto94(m): 5:25pm On Dec 09, 2016
ABU BAKR (Radhiallahu`Anhu) ruled for (2) years and he did not celebrate the Prophet ﷺ’s birthday!
UMAR (Radhiallahu`Anhu) ruled for (10) years and he did not celebrate the Prophet ﷺ’s birthday!
UTHMAAN (Radhiallahu`Anhu) ruled for (13) years and he did not celebrate the Prophet ﷺ’s birthday!
ALEE (Radhiallahu`Anhu) ruled for (4) years and he did not celebrate the Prophet ﷺ’s birthday!
AL-HASAN (Radhiallahu`Anhu) ruled for (6) months and he did not celebrate the Prophet ﷺ’s birthday!
MUAAWIYAH (Radhiallahu`Anhu) ruled for (19) years and he did not celebrate the Prophet ﷺ’s birthday!
Then came al-Umawiyyah dynasty and amongst them were the likes of UMAR Ibn Abdul-Azeez, and they did not celebrate the Prophet’s birthday!
After them came Al-Abbaasiyyah dynasty and amongst them were the likes of HAROON al-Rasheed, and they did not celebrate the Prophet ﷺ’s birthday!
The Great and Real scholars of Islaam and the true lovers of the Prophet ﷺ did not celebrate the Prophet ﷺ ’s birthday!
The great generations of Islaam passed away but none of them celebrated the Prophet ﷺ’s birthday.
HAD IT BEEN GOOD, THEY WOULD HAVE INDEED PRECEDED US IN IT! #copied
Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by Nobody: 6:05pm On Dec 09, 2016
Imaam Maalik said:

“The last generations of this ummah can only be rectified by that which rectified its first generations. What was not part of the religion then cannot become part of the religion now"

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Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by ameerfixam: 6:06pm On Dec 09, 2016
Salam Alaykum.
Celebrating the birth of the holy prophet Muhammad (pbuh) isnt an innovation, because even the prophet himself was asked by one of his companion why he fasts on Monday, and he said: I fast on Mondays, because it is on that day That I was born, its therefore meant to commemorate my birthday". Moreover there is no other better way of celebrating rather than remembering Allah, and giving back the glory to him. However following the sayings, teachings and actions of the prophet is compulsory on all Moslems as commanded by Allah in the glorious Quran ;

قُلْ إِن كُنتُمْ تُحِبُّونَ اللَّهَ فَاتَّبِعُونِي يُحْبِبْكُمُ اللَّهُ وَيَغْفِرْ لَكُمْ ذُنُوبَكُمْ وَاللَّهُ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ

Say: If you love Allah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your faults, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful....Surah Aal-e-Imran, Verse 31.

So therefore, celebrating the mawlid Nabiy isn't an innovation, only if its celebrated in the wrong way which contradicts the doctrines of Islam. Reciting the holy Quran, the history of the prophet, the Burdah, Lecture about the teachings of the prophet which we need to learn are expected to be the programme of the day, provision of foods and drinks, giving of alms to the needy are those things that can be best used to celebrate his birth. Solallahu Alayhi Wasallam.
Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by ameerfixam: 6:14pm On Dec 09, 2016
And lastly, if celebrating it is regarded as an innovation by you, Anybody that celebrates it in accordance to the doctrine of Islam: reciting the glorious Quran, the burdah, tasbih, lectures about his sayings and teachings, provision of foods and drinks, giving of alms, Then you don't need to Descriminate them, Afterall you are not Allah that will reward them nor the prophet that wil reject them.
Salam alaykum.
Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by Olanrewajufcb(m): 6:18pm On Dec 09, 2016
waluga:
There is nothing in the Qur’aan to say that we should celebrate the Mawlid or birthday of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The Prophet himself (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do this or command anyone to do it, either during his lifetime or after his death. Indeed, he told them not to exaggerate about him as the Christians had exaggerated about Jesus (upon whom be peace). He said: “Do not exaggerate about me as the Christians exaggerated about the son of Maryam. I am only a slave, so say, ‘The slave of Allaah and His Messenger.’” (Reported by al-Bukhaari). What has been reported is that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) made the day of his birth a day of worship, which is different to celebration. He was asked about fasting on Mondays, and he said: “That is the day on which I was born and the day on which I was entrusted with the Mission or when I was first given Revelation.” (Reported by Muslim, al-Nisaa’i and Abu Dawood).

Moreover, we know that the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) were the people who loved the Prophet most. Was it reported that Abu Bakr, who was the closest of people to him and the one who loved him the most, celebrated the birthday of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)? Was it reported that ‘Umar, who ruled for twelve years, or ‘Uthmaan, did this? Was it reported that ‘Ali, his relative and foster son, did this? Was it reported that any of the Sahaabah did this? No, by Allaah! Is it because they were not aware of its importance, or did they not truly love the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)? No one would say such a thing except one who has gone astray and is leading others astray.

Did any of the imaams – Abu Haneefah, Maalik, al-Shaafi’i, Ahmad, al-Hasan al-Basri, Ibn Seereen – do this or command others to do it or say that it was good? By Allaah, no! It was not even mentioned during the first and best three centuries. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said in a saheeh hadeeth: “The best of mankind are my generation (or my century), then those who come after them, then those who come after them. Then there will come a people who will not care if their testimony comes before their oath or vice versa (i.e., they will not take such matter seriously).” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, Muslim and al-Tirmidhi). The celebration of the Prophet’s birthday appeared many centuries later, when many of the features of true religion had vanished and bid’ah had become widespread.

Thus this celebration became a sign of one’s love for the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)? But can it be possible that the Sahaabah, the imaams and the people of the best three centuries were unaware of it, and it was only those who came later who were aware of its importance?! What the Qur’aan tells us is that love of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is demonstrated by following the guidance he brought. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say (O Muhammad): ‘If you (really) love Allaah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Say: ‘Obey Allaah and the Messenger.’ But if they turn away, then Allaah does not like the disbelievers.” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:31-32]

The first aayah explains that love is just a claim, but the proof of sincerity is following what the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) brought. The second aayah reaffirms the importance and necessity of obeying Allaah and His Messenger. Hence Allaah ended the aayah with a very stern warning in which those who refuse to obey are described as kaafirs, and Allah does not love the disbelievers. We ask Allaah to keep us safe from that. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us of the danger of not obeying him, and the danger of adding to what he brought. The celebration of Mawlid or his birthday is indeed an addition to what he brought – as all the scholars agree. He said: “The best of speech is the Book of Allaah, and the best of guidance is the guidance of Muhammad. The most evil of things are those which are newly-invented (in religion), and every innovation is a going astray.” (Reported by Muslim and al-Nisaa’i).

We ask Allaah to protect us from bid’ah and to bless us by helping us to follow. Allaah knows best. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad.#copied
going by your explanation of newly invented things, can we also say Qur'anic translation to English or other languages is also an innovation since, it wasn't done by d prophet, any companion, or other revered imams?

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Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by Nobody: 6:44pm On Dec 09, 2016
lexiconkabir:
Imaam Maalik said:

“The last generations of this ummah can only be rectified by that which rectified its first generations. What was not part of the religion then cannot become part of the religion now"

He said it all RahimaHullah.

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Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by Rafidi: 6:58pm On Dec 09, 2016
9inches:
Meanwhile, some moslems say it is unislamic to have Muhammad's birthday celebration. Muslims and confusion. ..

not some Muslims...Wahhabis do not celebrate birthday of the Prophet (s). but these hypocrites celebrate the birthday of the King in Saudi Arabia. they also celebrate the national day of saudi (the birthday of saudi arabia). likewise they declare other Muslims who visit the graves of holy people, but they visit the grave of politicians and place wreath. hypocrisy!!! wahhabi saudi arabia is the country that identify itself as Muslim that does not celebrate mawlud.

everything that has to do with peace, and upholding Islamic heritage and honoring the figures of Islam, these Wahhabis are against. the same reasons they go about blowing up Muslims in the name of Takfir and declaring them apostates and out of the pale of Islam. they have problems with all of humanity. they hate christians, they hate hindus, they hate buddhist, they call atheists terrorists in saudi arabia, and they even kill other Muslims, especially Shia. worse, they even kill the very Sunnis who disagree with them and reject the wahhabi ideology of Muhammad Ibn Abdul-Wahab. all they do is to sow division and hatred among Muslims. they control the holiest places of Islam, and they have huge money from oil and they have the backing of the western powers.

when you hear that ISLAM IS PEACE, it is true! Islam is peace. but wahhabis want to turn Islam into terror. Muhammad (s), the prophet of Allah is described in the Quran as "mercy unto humanity". but Wahhabis want to make it look like he was a curse to humanity. so please, all and all, differentiate between Islam and Wahhabism. Islam is the path of peaceful Muslims. Wahhabism is the path and ideology that fuels terrorism of the likes of boko, isis, alqaeda, al shabab, al-this and al-that.

they are describing Mawlud celebration as a Shia initiation. it is not. it is Sunnah and Islamic to celebrate the Prophet's (s) birthday. nothing wrong with honoring the Prophet's (s) memory. mainstream Sunnis celebrate Mawlud. that shows you Muslims are united after all the bloodshed wahhabism has caused to divide Sunnis and Shia. the Prophet Muhammad (s) is a uniting force and his birthday should not and will not divide us. anyone who claims mawlud is "Shia", tell him that not celebrating mawlud is Wahhabi; and not celebrating it has nothing to do with Islam.
Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by blantyre: 8:09pm On Dec 09, 2016
usmanktg2:
THE MAWLID-UN-NABI: Q & A

By: Shaykh Fakhruddin Owaisi al-Madani (South Africa)

Q1-What is the ruling (hukm) regarding celebrating the Mawlid-un-Nabi:

A1: Any action we do may be judged by the Shari ah as being of one of the following five categories:

-Fard (Obligatory)
-Mustahabb (Recommended)
-Mubah/Ja iz (Simply Permissible)
-Makruh (Discouraged)
-Haram (Forbidden)

Past and present Ulama from the four Madhabs (Hanafi, Shafi, Maliki and Hanbali) have considered the commemoration of the Prophet (SAW) birth as being Mubah, i.e. permissible, as there is no evidence in the Shari ah that prohibits such an event.

In fact, there is some evidence that actually supports the commemoration of the noble
birth. For example:

- Allah says in the Qur an:

Say in the Bounty of Allah and His Mercy, Let them rejoice . (Surah Yunus,
verse 58).

There is no greater bounty given to creation than the Holy Prophet (SAW).

- The Qur an narrates to us the stories of the births of Prophets Isa, Musa and Yahya (AS) in an honorable manner. As the greatest of the Prophets, the birth of Nabi Muhammad (SAW) is even more deserving of such attention.

- Imam al-Bukhari narrates that when the Prophet (SAW) was born, his uncle, the unbeliever Abu-Lahab freed the slave-girl Thuwaybah that brought him the good news, by gesturing to her with his finger. When Abu-Lahab passed away, his brother Sayyidna al-Abbas (RA) saw him in dream and asked him about his condition. He replied: I am in severe punishment, but my punishment is lessened every Monday as I am allowed to suck some water from that finger of mine with which I freed Thuwaybah .

- It is also narrated by Imam Muslim that the Prophet (SAW) used to fast on Mondays. When asked why, he (SAW) replied: That is the day I was born .

That is why many scholars have been very supportive of the Mawlid. For example, the great 9th Century Shafi i scholar Imam Jalaluddin al-Suyuti writes in his Al-Hawi lil Fatawi:

To commemorate the Mawlid, which is basically gathering people together, reciting parts of the Qu'ran, narrating stories about the Prophet's birth and the signs that accompanied it, then serving food, and afterwards, departing, is one of the good innovations; and the one who practices it gets rewarded, because it involves venerating the status of the Prophet and expressing joy at his honorable birth.

However, while commemorating the Mawlid cannot be considered Haram, it also must not be considered Fard. It must be understood that it is simply a beneficial practice that is nevertheless not obligatory.

Note, too, that while commemorating the Mawlid itself is only Mubah, many of the actions done in it are Mustahabb (Recommended) such as recitation of Salawat, coming together of Muslims, discussing the life of the Prophet (SAW), feeding the hungry etc.

People will undoubtedly be rewarded for these actions. Wa Llahu A lam.

Q2-Is commemorating the Mawlid un-Nabi a bid ah (an innovation)?

Bid ah refers to beliefs and practices that appeared after the era of the Holy Prophet (SAW). Broadly speaking, bidah s are acceptable or unacceptable depending upon whether or not they fall under the general principles and spirit of the Qur an and Sunnah.

Given this they will be classified according to the five Shari ah rulings mentioned above.

Therefore, some bidah s may be obligatory such as writing books on the din and the gathering of the Qur an and hadith into book form. Some may be recommended such as the translation of the Qur an, the congregational Tarawih prayer and the second adhan for Jumu ah. Some Bid ah s may simply permitted such as performing Eid Salah in Mosques, qira ah programs, Qur anic competitions and the commemoration of Mawlid as noted earlier. Depending upon the intention and results, such permitted bidah s may even become recommended.

Discouraged innovations would be to have the Holy Qur an on a cellphone, as some Ulama have said. Forbidden bidah s are any innovated beliefs and practices that are in clear violation of agreed upon principles and rulings of the Shari ah.

The hadith that states that every bidah is a misguidance refers to this last category of bid ah only as explained by hadith authority Imam al-Nawawi in his commentary on Sahih Muslim (Volume 6, p154):

What is meant by it is new matters that are not validated by the Shari ah. That - and that alone - is what are meant by innovations.

Q3-What is the ruling on standing up to recite Salawat (Salutations) and Salam (Greetings of Peace) upon the Prophet (SAW):

It is permissible if done with the intention of respecting the Prophet (SAW), and without the belief that it is obligatory. The Qur an has ordered us to present the Salam to the Prophet (SAW) in a respectful manner as implied in the verse Wa Sallimu Taslima i.e. And send worthy greetings of Peace upon him . (Qur an 33:56)

Furthermore, it is permissible in Islam to stand up to greet any honorable or beloved person. The Prophet (SAW) used to stand up to greet many people, including his beloved daughter Sayyidah Fatimah Zahra (RA).

Imam al-Bukhari narrates that once the Prophet (SAW) was sitting in the Mosque and saw a funeral passing by. So he immediately stood up in respect of it. He was then told that it was actually the funeral of a Jew. So he (SAW) replied; It is still a soul.

The Ulama have also deemed it permissible to stand up for a national anthem. It has for centuries been the custom in many Muslim lands to stand up when reciting the Salawat and Salam on the Prophet (SAW), especially upon hearing the news of his Birth, so as to display love, gratefulness and respect. This practice has been commended by Ulama from all 4 Madhhabs.

The Mufti of the Shafi i madhab of Medina al-Imam al-Sayyid Ja far al-Barzanji wrote in his Mawlid that:

Scholars of great character and knowledge have commended the practice of standing up at the mention of the Prophet (SAW) s birth. So glad-tiding to the one whose goal and purpose is to honor the Prophet (SAW).

This was written by him in Medina four centuries ago, and he referred to scholars before his time.

The Salawat can be recited in all positions: sitting as in the Jalsah (sitting position) in Salah, or standing as in the Salat-ul-Janazah or even while lying down.

Furthermore, it is general command of the Shariah to display all sorts of love, honor and veneration to the Prophet (SAW) [Qur an 7:157; 33:6 amongst others], as long as it does not involve any prohibited action. Wa Llahu A lam.

Q4-Is it possible for the Prophet (SAW) to be present at a Mawlid gathering?

The blessed body of the Prophet (SAW) is buried in Medina. But his Soul, like the souls of all Prophets and pious believers, is free to roam in the Kingdom of Allah to attend blessed gatherings. Evidence for this is what occurred on the Night of the Mi raj when all the Prophets gathered in al-Quds to meet and pray behind our Prophet (SAW). Many of them met him again in the Heavens.

Ibn al-Qayyim mentions in his Kitab al-Ruh that the famous Companion Sayyidna Salman al-Farisi (RA) said:

The souls of the believers are in a partition from the (visible) earth, they go anywhere they want to.

He also quotes the great Imam Malik as saying:

I was informed that the soul is free; it goes anywhere it wants to.

The above has also been confirmed by great Classical scholars such as Imam al-Suyuti and Imam Ibn-Hajar al-Haytami in their Fatawa.

However, a person who experiences the spiritual presence of the Prophet (SAW) at any gathering should normally keep such things to him or herself. In general, this is a matter of the unseen and it is best to not to delve into the issue unnecessarily.

Q5-What are the Riwayats popularly recited in Cape Town?

The Riwayats are basically narrations on the happenings of the noble Birth of the Prophet (SAW), compiled in a book from by the 16th century Mufti of the Shafi i madhab in Medina al-Imam al-Sayyid Ja far al-Barzanji. Whatever is mentioned in them is authentically sourced from the books of Hadith and Sirah (biographies of the Prophet). Its a blessing to recite them as it is a blessing to recite any hadith of the Prophet (SAW).

Muslim throughout the world recite these Riwayat during the blessed month of Mawlud. They are usually referred to in other parts of the world as Mawlid al-Barzanji.

Shaykh Fakhruddin Owaisi al-Madani is a Lecturer in Hadith at IPSA.
Sh. Fakhruddin completed a Master s dissertation on the issue of Mawlid and Bid ah at the University of Cape Town.
Kai alhamdulillah for this wonderful piece of yours. Most times people keep calling bid'a bid'a everywhere without knowing what that bid'a is. We remember Allah, do istigfar and alot more which are in consonance with the principles of Islam.
Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by blantyre: 8:20pm On Dec 09, 2016
HAH:


who is talking about evidence, I said if you reason with it, or do you have problem with comprehension.

Beside do you have any evidence that expressly prohibit Maulud in the quran, so far the wahabis only use concoction and narrative of their. Scholars to debunk Maulud.

However to me there is nothing wrong is celebrating the life and times of our nabiyy
Wahabists have brainwash alot of people. Once they have upper hand they will start bombing gatherings of maulud as they are used to. these wahabists are quick to mention bid'a whereas acts that are reported in sound hadith like assembly of people doing dhikr are not given any importance by them. What most people have come to realized is that wahabists spread hatred and promote bloodletting whereas sufists promote love, tolerance and good neighbourliness

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Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by talk2hb1(m): 8:24pm On Dec 09, 2016
RABIUSHILE04:


There are many evidences from kitab wa sunnah about seeking knowledge in Islaam.

I know ur type, u r d ppl who say wen told what is bidia, what is sunnah, ur type will say " shey d prophet used spoon, did he use microphone ni, etc" not knowing what bidia is!?!?

I didn't want to ansa you b4 bcuz of what is known about you. No one with right aqeedah and manhaj takes you 'talk2hb1' seriously.

One question to you too;
Salamihabeeb abi what's ur name.. Can you provide evidence of not getting a University degree from either the Quran or any hadith?
Whoa I've a fans, but the better way is Habeeb Salam. I guess you picked that name from twitter?
all I ask is where in the Quran a4w we permitted to to get a degree , not talking of going to School.
Importantly is it some worship of the devil that you despise it.
Re: The Origin Of Maulud - Part Of Islam Or Innovation by Nobody: 9:01pm On Dec 09, 2016
Ugogenius:
remember your birthday, don't celebrate your birthday!

Muslims do not celebrate birthdays. We try not to imitate non-muslims in matters like this. We don't care if many people are doing it, so far it is not halal, we won't do it!

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