FBS:

Perhaps you missed this?

FBS:


So basically we are on the same page, innit?  

But you see, this is something that could have been done if NFF wanted this implemented. I'm not sure they do.
Agreed, he should take the boys to the nations cup and it's a risk we are willing to take though before then, he should engage the team in a couple of friendlies first. . .from there we will see what he is trying to do.

FBS:

What the NFA/NFF can do is to bring them (Amodu and Sia1) together and work as one.

FBS
Pally tell me u don't mean this? Its now u will see the sort of apathy that will be between them?
Who will be the boss if i may ask? If its Amodu, i bet u Sia1 will take the walk before the affair even materialises.
If it Sia1, Amodu will feel insulted. If u want to keep amodu, give him John Obuh as Amokachi to me knows next to nothing.
He's better off a Fitness trainer with his muscles and biceps.

As for the post, I am all for what you said
As it stand, some of us don't even know that we don't have a play pattern. We just hit the ball around and hope it falls to a striker to score
If not for a player like Osaze, na only Oluwa know wetin we go dey do by now.

Amodu can't motivate this team, he has lost their respect in my opinion. Technically bankrupt and seem to be bereft of any idea
For those who say he hasn't lost any competitive match, they should show me what he has achieved that is new.
Silver medal my foot. . . . .has the Super Eagles fallen that low to jubilate over being second best?
Thats not why i invest emotionally to watch my country's national team play.
If we play good football and lose, thats a different case just like last Sunday. But what is on ground as of today leaves much to be desired.
So those who think Amodu should stay, should prepare to come back here and type grammar on how uncommited, skilless and bereft our players are.
I dare say that at some point, i even thought Kanu was the caoch!!
He who has ear should listen. Get me a coach who is sound technically, a thorough phycologist like Mourinho and someone who can motivate his team.

Tell me what soo special about the Egyptian National team or even Mozambique, Gabon, South Africa or Algeria?
U don't need superstars to win. U need a team and only a good coach and manager can build one!!!

honeric01:

Agreed that the first 2 have laurels to show with their CV, but pep never had anything and when he was employed, he lost some virtual matches (before the treble) but was not fired and we later saw what he was able to do (won the treble), so what i am saying now is that we shouldn't just push siasia away just because he did bad with the u-20 (his selections).

Now to coaches handling national teams, the french coach is still there, Egyptian coach is still there and host of others, they perform both good and bad, yet they haven't been fired or replaced with a foreigner, so why do we have to fire a coach yet to lose a competitive match when others have lost more than one? Dunga has lost more matches than Amodu, yet he's taking Brazil to the world cup.

honeric01:

don't we know of alot of countries with local coaches doing well like Brazil, Spain, Egypt and the rest? must we always follow the English because they were our colonial master?

honeric01:

I didn't miss that, i remember what i said and i still hold on to that.

Yes, someone with a rich technical idea should be included to the technical crew. but i heard Siasia said he can't be an assistant to anyone when its time to handle the national team so how do we do it?

FBS:

Exactly, since Sia1 cannot be an assitant and clearly Amodu is NOT (maybe it's just my opinion) a very good coach. The guy cannot even motivate his players. What do we do?
Are you happy with the way the boys are playing?

jay bee:

why compare with brazil, spain or italy?
all these nations have world class players parading their talents week in week out and any mediocre coach will def just need man management skills to get the best out of them.

A fair comparison would have been with greece who without world class talents won the euro '04 championship with a german master tactician (otto rehhagel).
Nigerian footballers are average and can't even command constant shirts at their respective clubs and only a master tactician/man manager can get the best out of them.

Emperoh:


FBS
Pally tell me u don't mean this? Its now u will see the sort of apathy that will be between them?
Who will be the boss if i may ask? If its Amodu, i bet u Sia1 will take the walk before the affair even materialises.
If it Sia1, Amodu will feel insulted. If u want to keep amodu, give him John Obuh as Amokachi to me knows next to nothing.
He's better off a Fitness trainer with his muscles and biceps.

As for the post, I am all for what you said
As it stand, some of us don't even know that we don't have a play pattern. We just hit the ball around and hope it falls to a striker to score
If not for a player like Osaze, na only Oluwa know wetin we go dey do by now.

Amodu can't motivate this team, he has lost their respect in my opinion. Technically bankrupt and seem to be bereft of any idea
For those who say he hasn't lost any competitive match, they should show me what he has achieved that is new.
Silver medal my foot. . . . .has the Super Eagles fallen that low to jubilate over being second best?
Thats not why i invest emotionally to watch my country's national team play.
If we play good football and lose, thats a different case just like last Sunday. But what is on ground as of today leaves much to be desired.
So those who think Amodu should stay, should prepare to come back here and type grammar on how uncommited, skilless and bereft our players are.
I dare say that at some point, i even thought Kanu was the caoch!!
He who has ear should listen. Get me a coach who is sound technically, a thorough phycologist like Mourinho and someone who can motivate his team.

Tell me what soo special about the Egyptian National team or even Mozambique, Gabon, South Africa or Algeria?
U don't need superstars to win. U need a team and only a good coach and manager can build one!!!

Get me a coach who is sound technically, a thorough phycologist like Mourinho and someone who can motivate his team.

honeric01:

since you are not clamoring for a foreign coach, why then did you put up these 3 names? and who in your own mind do you want us to employ?

FBS:

Bros, as you can see on the first post, I made no comments at all. It was an article on www.kickoffnigeria.com

I felt, hey, this will be good for NL. Folks can get to discuss. Geddit?

honeric01:

Well then, since you don't support a foreign coach, can you as well change these foreign names with local coaches names?

As for the post, I am all for what you said
As it stand, some of us don't even know that we don't have a play pattern. We just hit the ball around and hope it falls to a striker to score
If not for a player like Osaze, na only Oluwa know wetin we go dey do by now.

tkb417:

been readi g exchanges from everybody

intelligent posts from great Nairalanders!!

but the one above hits the nail on the head. Under Amodu, our game has retrogressed.
we play like Sudan or Tanzania; we dont see any pattern, we dont see fluidity, we dont see passion, we dont see hunger, we dont see teamwork.
all we see are some insipid and drab display typical of countries like azerbaijan and leicheistein

we need a coach that can bring out our potentials even tho our players are slightly above average. A good coach shld be able to work on them to bring us back to our usual level

Amodu shld be a goner by nau

Emperoh:

FBS
People should bite me. Our solution is getting a Foreign Technical adviser.
No Nigerian coach has the pedigree for the extent of work to be done in the Super Eagles.
Except Maybe Keshi; not too convinced with him though.
Off all the work to be done, three stand out. . . .

We also need someone to evolve a youth team and discover talents. The last escape with Berti Vogts was the most foolish recruitment i have ever seen an adult make in our football. Its crazy employing a coach who doesn't even know how to build up a team. Amodu CANNOT build a team assuming we take these crop of players from him. He has shown it time and time again. Till we sort this three things out, nothing will work for us. Average players can get results but u must imbibe that which lacks with Star players.

We need a motivator. A psychologist who can leverage the mindset of these players. Only god knows what made Mikel play the way he did last saturday. That was his best match thus far for the SE. Amodu does not have that. football doesn't end up with fielding eleven players. Guys have pointed out Otto Rehagel et. Even Mourinho in his first season at Chelsea was a perfect example. The Players where ready to die for him to get the required result. U also need a personality these players will respect at all times. SOmeone to instill discipline in that team which is at present lacking. Whatever happens, we need a personality.

We need to evolve a style of play. . . .we have totally lost that evolved by Westerhoff and Jo Bonfrere.
Moreso, development in soccer has eclipsed the methods then in practice. A style that will manage and churn out results in an Eagles team without
a natural play maker. Someone in the mould of at least Okocha. There are talents but not enough experience to go with it. Can someone tell who is the next partner to Yobo in CD? Amodu never fared well in getting a regular team. Never had a mind of his own. Once the press said something about a player u can be sure to see him the team in his next match.


Does Amodu Shuaibu have any of these qualities? HELL NO!! Pls don't look for water in the desert.
Those squealing about his records should please give me a break. This man is just a lucky fella to get these things work.
U need more than luck to win a tournament. Its more than 16 years we last won the Nations Cup.
Can Amodu create a time like the lass of '94? If he can, then let him take over the Super Eagles!!

Sagamite:

I am going to take my time to challenge this post.

It is quite funny someone can say Amodu cannot inspire SE and then refer to the likes of Jo Bonfrere as an example of someone that can. Considering we had to beg Amodu to save us when Bonfrere almost eliminated us from the 2002 WC after losing to Sierra Leone and Liberia.

It is the same Amodu we claim cannot motivate our players that came in and won the rest of the matches EMPHATICALLY WITH CLEAN SHEETS to save our skin.

And when it was time to go to the WC, we felt he was not white enough so any minimal lacklustre display is evidence of his tactical unawareness.

Years later after we brought Vogts in and he failed, we had to call on Amodu to take the job again.

The same Amodu we are claiming can not inspire our team won his first 6 matches (HOME and AWAY) without conceding a goal in SIX matches except a stupid own goal. To top it up, when we doubted him the most and were talking of a slaughter against France, he went TO FRANCE with Nigeria's A minus team and beat them at home with a comprehensive display, but unfortunately he still has a black skin and we would lack confidence in him and say he can not inspire.

Now lets look at the pedigree you questioned, I would never say Amodu is world class, but lets look at his record:

6 Nigerian FA cup
1 Nigerian League championship
1 intercontinental cup (first Nigerian to win this)
First Nigerian coach to be offered a big contract role to coach outside Nigeria when he joined Orlando Pirates for $200K a year (back in 1996 that is, would be worth about $250K today and his skin was black then)
- I think he won the "African Super Cup", "Bob Save Super Bowl", "Charity Cup" and the "Top Eight Cup" titles. I can't confirm all at the moment.

Management of Super Eagles at Qualifiers and ANC (last 2 appointments only as the others were interim)

P    W    D    L    GF    GA    GD     CS (Clean sheet)
20  15   4    1    33     7     +26    16


I really don't know what further to say.

honeric01:

Thanks for the breakdown, wait for some people's negative comments.

The same Amodu we are claiming can not inspire our team won his first 6 matches (HOME and AWAY) without conceding a goal in SIX matches except a stupid own goal. To top it up, when we doubted him the most and were talking of a slaughter against France, he went TO FRANCE with Nigeria's A minus team and beat them at home with a comprehensive display, but unfortunately he still has a black skin and we would lack confidence in him and say he can not inspire.

Now lets look at the pedigree you questioned, I would never say Amodu is world class, but lets look at his record:

6 Nigerian FA cup
1 Nigerian League championship
1 intercontinental cup (first Nigerian to win this)
First Nigerian coach to be offered a big contract role to coach outside Nigeria when he joined Orlando Pirates for $200K a year (back in 1996 that is, would be worth about $250K today and his skin was black then)
- I think he won the "African Super Cup", "Bob Save Super Bowl", "Charity Cup" and the "Top Eight Cup" titles. I can't confirm all at the moment.

Management of Super Eagles at Qualifiers and ANC (last 2 appointments only as the others were interim)

P    W    D    L    GF    GA    GD     CS (Clean sheet)
20  15   4    1    33     7     +26    16


I really don't know what further to say.

jay bee:

@ Sag
what's the quality of the opposition he has had to come against?
we all watched the way 'em super fowls played recently so having winning records against team we should have no stress beating doesn't favour your argument.
Nigerian's national team has been known to play with flair and tactical onus so only a staunch amodu supporter will come here and tell us his results speaks for itself.

Can you please break down your analysis on the teams he has winning records against.

tkb417:

haha

SAG is missing plenty points
Amodus successes have been with BCC Lions of Gboko where he won the mandela cup and nothing more
do you know Khadiri Ikhana won the elusive champions league for Enyimba? do you know during Amodus reign in Gboko, he never won the competition?

are you saying winning local leagues like you have displayed above is enuff credential to take us to World cup?

tkb417:

are you saying beating Mozambique, kenya and drawing Tunisia twice are enuff credentials to take us to world cup?

tkb417:

are you saying conceding goals in torrents like we saw against Kenya and Tunisia is the hallmark of your coach that can handle the SE?

qualifying for world cup is no feat as Ladan bosso can do it if the boiz will listen to him; we do not want to make up the numbers in South Africa, we want to compete like other African countries like CIV and Ghana are planning to do.

My expectation of Nigeria isnt what im seeing; we shouldnt be struggling to spray passes together while playing Mozambique. The Nigeria of today is like the Ghana of early 90s. we are poor in everything.

early 90s, the game against Kenya would have been concluded in the first half.

If we just want to make up the numbers, Amodu is good enuff, if we want to make an impact, then we need to get rid of him

Mozambique is GOOD and we did well getting a draw there, in hindsight. That was all CIV could also get despite their bigger stars and Tunisia was walloped with ONLY ONE SHOT that the keeper had to bother to save (he was on holiday in Seychelles for the rest of the game).

World football has moved on since the 90s especially in Africa. Football is now big money, there is increased tactical support & info for nations through Fifa & players moving abroad and teams in Africa are becoming more solid than in the 90s

tkb417:

haha, what did Mozambique and CIV play in Abidjan? compare to what happened when they came here
youre right just that the other super powers are still waxing stronger except Nigeria. CIV, Cameroon, Ghana and co will spell Mozambique anytime anyday just like Spain will wallop Bosnia anytime anyday.

same cannot be said of Nigeria; why? Footie is declining cos of a lotta factors
the inept football adminstrators aided by an incompetent manager who knows next to nothing about the dynamics of world footie.

i insist, from the evidence of play, we have nothing to offer the world at the mundial
even in qualification, CIV posted an impressive 3-0 victory at home against Guinea
remind me of when uve seen a 2 goal margin victory for Super eagles under Amodu and to thinkwe have been playing the likes of Kenya begs a lotta questions. only God knows the kinda humiliation that will come over us when we face teams like Ivory Coast and Ghana

honeric01:

you want a foreign coach right?

tkb417:

b4 nko