babseg:


Islam came into existence after 600 years of having Christians. Islam copied virtually everything from the old and new testament.

if Christianity doesn't exist Islam wont.

babseg:


Islam came into existence after 600 years of having Christians. Islam copied virtually everything from the old and new testament.

if Christianity doesn't exist Islam wont.

aminusanti:
ok.
Now tell us what does islam means according to your dictionary??

masseratti:
lol, take a chill pill, i only answered the part of you talking about trinity, in your post I quoted, just to clarify the erroneous mindset most Muslims have on trinity,

IDOL worship? very funny if the cross is an idol, then the stone in kaaba u bow towards is what? that's the real Idol, Idols do not necessarily come in form of man or animals, it could be any object,
A good part of Christians don't even use the cross image with the white man, Pentecostal church don't, they don't even regard any object but Muslims bow to an object in Mecca, a stone, that's Idol message my dear.

On the topic, let everyone be free to choose his or her own religion without fear of being killed.

babseg:


terrorism

aminusanti:
you pple are funny. Trinity is a complete fabrication n contradictory to many verses in your bible, if u doubt it answer my questions below

The basic problem is that trinitarianism is a nonbiblical doctrine that contradicts a number of biblical teachings and many specific verses of Scripture. Moreover, the doctrine contains a number of internal contradictions. Of course, the most obvious internal contradiction is how there can be three persons of God in any meaningful sense and yet there be only one God.
*How do you view Jesus?
*Is he equivalent to the father?


Pls gets this right now
Anyhow u want to modify it idol/man worship
On the cross isn't that jesus according to some Christians

*You people pray to jesus and whom was jesus praying to when he is in distress?

*Do muslims pray to kaaba and call kaaba when they are in need?
Kaaba is only center for unity same as how u guys go to your church
Read>
HADITH
"Demolishing the Kaaba completely is much more preferred to Allah Almighty than shedding the blood of a Believing Muslim."

So nothing is Holy about either the Kaaba or the Black Stone. They are not objects of worship.

thats how they made u pple bliv

Allah says: “Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And Allah hears and knows all things.” [Sûrah al-Baqarah: 256]

aminusanti:

According to your dictionary you are absolutely correct,

Now read below the meaning according to real dictionary

How about christianity according to your dictionary?

masseratti:
in my earlier post i pointed to you that not all Christians believe in the trinity doctrine, infact just like sunni and shia, that doctrine adopted by the council of Nicaea or Nicene doctrine is what Split the church into we Roman Catholic and east most coptic churches

Trinity is no where in the bible as a word, its a concept depending on your own translation, i for one i don't believe in it, but I understand some Christian concept of the three working as one, just like you have it in arms of government, national assembly, executive, judiciary are one Government, thats the concept of trinity by some Christians, for me its no.

I view Jesus as my "lord" not my God
Jesus is son of God, i can be son of God if i walk in the ways of Jesus Christ, enjoy the goody goody of heaven as a son of God, will you put all those goody goody inplace for a servant? like you Muslim says.

He is not equal to God, thats why we say God almighty, not Jesus Almighty.

Prat to Jesus? lolz you need to know what the word "pray" means, i can pray to You, it simply means to beg, to ask for benevolence or favour, its an old Eng.

Muslim pray to Muhammad, Muslims rever Muhammad More than other prophets in quoran and Allah

draw a picture of Muhammad and see how many people will be killed, draw one of Allah and see dead silence.

The black stone is a object of worship, if not when next you want to pray face south or west, we all believe Allah/God is ominipresent.

aminusanti:

Yes I know a little about d history and some of d non-trinitarian domination such as JW, Mormons etc
ok. U are lucky n You are not far from the truth then


Whom do we worship and to whom do we pray? Jesus said to worship the Father (John 4:21-24), yet You worship/pray to jesus? Aren't you?

Luke 4:8, " . . . You shall worship the Lord your God and serve Him only."
How do you view the verse above?

You said : "if I walk in the way of christ"
What ways?

Yes we muslim bliv jesus to be servant of GOD and even your book called him a servant in the OT.

Acts 3:26, "For you first, God raised up His Servant, and sent Him to bless you by turning every one of you from your wicked ways.”


Ok. But not all xtians bliv dat he is not Almight.


Ok If u dont like the phrase Pray to then you can replace it with worship but we all know

Prayer or to pray to is a form of worship to God. When we pray, we are asking God to forgive us our sins, to guide us, to help others, etc.
*Who do you call up to when you are in need or distress Lord Jesus or God Almight?

Not true.
Read the pics below



Again Very wrong.
Try to apply some sense of reasoning when making judgment pls. Why are u judging entire religion for the ignorant act of selected few?
"Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it"


Wrong and u knw it.

*How Is the stone bin worshiped?

As for direction of prayer, it is about unity.  It is about humankind united in the worship of the One God, Creator, and Sustainer of the universe.

Similar unity was found in many places in your bible for facing a certain direction to pray

1 Kings 8:44-45
"When you command your people to go into battle against their enemies and they pray to you, wherever they are, facing this city which you have chosen and this Temple which I have built for you, listen to their prayers. Hear them in heaven and give them victory"

Isaiah 38:2
"Then Hezekiah turned his face toward the wall, and prayed unto the LORD".

Jonah 2: 4-7
“Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet ‘I will look again’ toward thy holy temple…When my soul fainted within me I remembered Yahweh; and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple.”

masseratti:
all the prophet You quoted are all Jews except for Muhammad Who is an arab.

Prayer is not worship, please don't twist words

we worship God, sing praises and"pray" to him, beg him, you can ask for the grace of Jesus Christ that God should use his grace on you just like you [s]Muslim do too, asking for Allah to look at the grace of Muhammad Or some sheik,[/s] I have heard Muslim pray, same way catholics pray/beg holy mary to intercede in their behalf, its all about people's believes.

You take one parr of the book and dwell on it, nice, majority part of the bible called him lord, master, teacher or son of God.
Just like this days we call pastors /imam men if God, thats simple,
Being called lord is an old language, a slave/servant /students/apostle /followers call the slave owner /master /teacher/leader "lord" in the days of old, the nobility are called lord same for the Judges that doesn't make them God.

If you say facing the kaabar is for unity and nothing else, who I to argue or contest that, but just to let you know not all Christians use the cross symbols, christianity is love pure and simple.

alBHAGDADI:
@aminusanti This thread is not about whether Jesus is God of not. It is about people leaving the Islamic terrorist religion in droves. If you can't discuss that, then Pls exit instead of derailing by bringing up over flogged issues.

aminusanti:

Meaning?

pls read my prev post again


You got that wrong sir, we don't need anyone to intercede b4 our pray/worship r accepted by God Almighty

Yea agreed they called him all those names but he was also called servant in many place and its simply bcus he is one
Read here

John 7:16
Jesus answered, "My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me.

ok

aminusanti:

Hahha. Attention seeker
You r suppose to thank me for even using this dead thread of urs, I know its paining u the way the other Christian guy Is exposing ur trinity madness.

masseratti:
allow me to start from the last, if my father who adopt me sent me to deliver a message to someone does that make me a servant?

On the second one am Yoruba, i grew up in a mixed religious house xtians and Muslims, whwn the alfas prays they say "ni ola anobi" or "ni ola shehu.. " gbo adua wa. Mean by the grace of Prophet Or sheik.... please Allah accept our prayers, so What will you call that? if not intercede on your prayers?

aminusanti:

Even if dis lies happened to be true, is it not a shame on your idol worshiping religion (Christianity) ? Taking advantage of dis hunger beaten people from the war zone that are desperate n weak to convert them to ur man worship by applying dis hypocritical approach. Why is dis conversion not happening under normal circumstances?
Again! Even if the whole iraq and syria or even the whole middle east turn out to accept your 3 Gods worshiping religion the stands of Islam remain the same as the True Religion and the only way to heaven.
Keep deceiving urself

mrZENographer:
Thank You Jesus.

Sometime days ago I watched how they beheaded our Christian brothers in piles for their faith.

I pray Christians to come to The Lord's CHOSEN. Because they will never be intimidated by such terror even though they have a face to face encounter with such danger. And still doing daily.

IT IS REAL.

alBHAGDADI:
pls don't waste your time on that terrorist.

He and his Islamic terrorists claim that the Bible has been corrupted, but they don't hesitate to quote from the same "corrupt book" whenever they want to twist scriptures to denigrate Christianity or to seek approval of Islam in the Bible.

asuustrike2009:

Were the converts forced or lured to Christianity? No

Were they voluntary educated on the benefits of Christ Yes
So why do think Christians over wouldn't use the opportunity to evangelize? Isn't evangelism one of the command of Christianity? Yes .so why wail over thrive issue

masseratti:
allow me to start from the last, if my father who adopt me sent me to deliver a message to someone does that make me a servant?

On the second one am Yoruba, i grew up in a mixed religious house xtians and Muslims, when the alfas prays they say "ni ola anobi" or "ni ola shehu.. " gbo adua wa. Mean by the grace of Prophet Or sheik.... please Allah accept our prayers, so What will you call that? if not intercede on your prayers?

Oh before i forget, when you asked meaning? i was addressing the fact that all the prophets you quoted are Jewish only Muhammad Was an arab And A Muslim, they did not practice Islam.

aminusanti:

My guy Bread and butter and security of life are the reasons for the conversion. Give time and see if they will continue the religion.

Yes it is possible for an uneducated blind Muslim to convert to other religion.

U are unaware of whats happening out there thats why u are here saying dis
Empty stomach has no religion.

Forget about selling your religion or selling your soul, if you see hungry faces of your kids, you can pretty much sell anything. I don’t blame them but I will blame their home countries.

in Asia and Africa poor people are more concern about food, shelter and batter life. They want to give batter life to their kids. Religious comes after all of this. if person is good. He do not hurt anyone , honest, cares about his family that what matters.

aminusanti:

Yes I know a little about d history and some of d non-trinitarian domination such as JW, Mormons etc
ok. U are lucky n You are not far from the truth then


Whom do we worship and to whom do we pray? Jesus said to worship the Father (John 4:21-24), yet You worship/pray to jesus? Aren't you?

Luke 4:8, " . . . You shall worship the Lord your God and serve Him only."
How do you view the verse above?

You said : "if I walk in the way of christ"
What ways?

Yes we muslim bliv jesus to be servant of GOD and even your book called him a servant in the OT.

Acts 3:26, "For you first, God raised up His Servant, and sent Him to bless you by turning every one of you from your wicked ways.”


Ok. But not all xtians bliv dat he is not Almight.


Ok If u dont like the phrase Pray to then you can replace it with worship but we all know

Prayer or to pray to is a form of worship to God. When we pray, we are asking God to forgive us our sins, to guide us, to help others, etc.
*Who do you call up to when you are in need or distress Lord Jesus or God Almight?

Not true.
Read the pics below



Again Very wrong.
Try to apply some sense of reasoning when making judgment pls. Why are u judging entire religion for the ignorant act of selected few?
"Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it"


Wrong and u knw it.

*How Is the stone bin worshiped?

As for direction of prayer, it is about unity.  It is about humankind united in the worship of the One God, Creator, and Sustainer of the universe.

Similar unity was found in many places in your bible for facing a certain direction to pray

1 Kings 8:44-45
"When you command your people to go into battle against their enemies and they pray to you, wherever they are, facing this city which you have chosen and this Temple which I have built for you, listen to their prayers. Hear them in heaven and give them victory"

Isaiah 38:2
"Then Hezekiah turned his face toward the wall, and prayed unto the LORD".

Jonah 2: 4-7
“Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet ‘I will look again’ toward thy holy temple…When my soul fainted within me I remembered Yahweh; and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple.”

babseg:


I DON'T KNOW THE PROBLEMS OF THE MUSLIMS. THEY LIKE TO READ AND QUOTE THE BIBLE MORE THAN THE CHRISTIANS. OGA O! DOES THAT MEAN THE QURAN IS NOT COMPLETE AND YOU ARE LOOKING FOR ANSWERS?

THE BIBLE SAYS THAT THE DEVIL WILL QUOTE SCRIPTURES MORE THAN THE ANOINTED. ARE YOU MUSLIMS JUST FULFILLING THE SCRIPTURES?

aminusanti:

Stop quoting me if u dnt hav anythin to present if quoting bible is ur pain then come out and defend it and stop hiding bhind the screen typing nonsense

babseg:


e pain you ba?

aminusanti:

Yes. Can you now disappear from here..

babseg:


why? because you hate the truth?

The bible says YOU SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE

aminusanti:
u lack sense my friend
What do u know about truth?
Worshiping a Man as God?

Gerarrahia joor

aminusanti:
u lack sense my friend
What do u know about truth?
Worshiping a Man as God?

Gerarrahia joor

babseg:


see pot calling kettle black.

if you dont worship Mohammed why do you go crazy or kill people because of him. Like the way you went crazy all over the world killing people, burning churches because of a caricature someone made in Denmark.

annunaki2: