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Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by Ubenedictus(m): 1:19pm On Feb 09, 2017 |
alfarouq:what u describe is a cycle of war, people who were conquered are turned into soldiers and used to conquer more people. 2 Likes |
Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by Nobody: 3:50pm On Feb 09, 2017 |
Ubenedictus: There were still non Muslims in the Arabian peninsula at the time of his death. He was fighting against the last pockets of idol-worshipping tribes allied to the Quraysh. The chapter refers to those. You can quote all the hadith you want. They all are interpreted against the backdrop of the verses that forbid aggression. I have already explained to you that we do not take one single piece of evidence and base the ruling on it seperately, yet you insist on doing that. If you take this hadith to mean that he fought against non-Muslims who were not fighting against him, then you are implying that he was going against the very Quran that he was sent to deliver, and which stated clearly that it was wrong to be the aggressor against people who did not fight you... I have already cited the verses. The correct practice is to reconcile the two, ie that one specifies the other, especially since a slight oversight in the translation of the hadith shades the meaning a little; your citation mentions 'people' in the indefinite sense. In fact, the hadith says 'the people', in what can be interpreted either as a definite (usually) or indefinite sense. It was not narrated in what context the hadith was spoken, so I cannot say what is really meant by 'the people' in this hadith. He could have been speaking about a specific group of people. Whatever the case may be, you should remember that aggression is forbidden by the Quran, so it cannot mean what you imply it to mean. God knows best. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by Ubenedictus(m): 8:55pm On Feb 09, 2017 |
According to Ibn Taymiya, a 14th Century Hanbali jurist:[14] "Since lawful warfare is essentially jihad and since its aim is that the religion is God's entirely and God's word is uppermost, therefore according to all Muslims, those who stand in the way of this aim must be fought". The position of d islamic schools contradict you. the hanabi scholar above bears witness that jihad is used to compel belief 1 Like |
Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by Ubenedictus(m): 9:14pm On Feb 09, 2017 |
Ubenedictus:There are a lot of this scholars who differentiate between the house of islam and the house of war, the non muslim is earmarked to die or be humiliated out of his faith. before killing the non muslim they are told to either accept islam or die and yet u claim there is no compulsion. cc farmerforlife 1 Like |
Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by Demmzy15(m): 12:29am On Feb 10, 2017 |
Ubenedictus:Could you provide the name of the book? 1 Like |
Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by sirfee(m): 1:17am On Feb 10, 2017 |
annunaki2:Islamism can be define as a political ideology based on religion.Islam is not a peaceful religion,there are so many verses in the quran that supports extremism,terrorism etc.For instance:1)Kill the unbelievers whereever you find them-Koran 2:191. (2)Make war on the infidels(non believers of Islam)living in your neighbourhood-Koran 9:123 (3)Any religion other than islam isn't acceptable-Koran 3:85 (4)Terrorise and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the quran-Koran 8:12-13 (5)Muslims must not take the infidels(non-believers of islam)as friends-Koran 3:28 (6)Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorise the infidels(non believers of islam) koran8:60 (7)The jews and the christians are perverts,fight them-koran 9:30 (Allah will punish the unbelievers with garments of fire,hooked iron rods,boiling water;melt their skin and bellies-koran 22:19 (9)Kill people who criticise Allah or do mischief(those who wage war against Allah)Koran 5:33 (10)The unbelievers are stupid;urge the muslims to fight them-Koran 8:65 For your information before you quote me;I'm a free thinker who don't give a f*uck about any religion. |
Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by Empiree: 5:00am On Feb 10, 2017 |
johnydon22:Hey, johndon, how are you doing man?. Long time i heard u. How's life?. How is Igboland?. I heard igbo people want to belong? They want to force their DNA on Israelis I hope they are not disappointed when result comes out in August Did you summit your blood as well?. It is gonna be interesting if your DNAs match zion Jews. You know it means you all can be exported to Israel for manual labor In that case, Nigerians can take a break from Biafrans bruahaha We are patiently waiting till August 3 Likes |
Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by Nobody: 7:47am On Feb 10, 2017 |
Ubenedictus: He uses the term ""lawful warfare", assuming the quote is accurate. You are grasping at straws. The Quran verse is clear and unassailable. Incidentally, dar alHarb; the house of war; specifically excludes those whom the Muslim State has treaties with. Since there are international treaties between Muslim and non-Muslim nations, no non-Muslim nation falls under that purview today. In any case, all these are proposed concepts. The idea of dar al-harb or dar al-Islam does not appear either in the Quran or the hadith. 1 Like |
Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by Ubenedictus(m): 8:35am On Feb 10, 2017 |
Farmerforlife:He uses lawful warfare and defines it as warfare that speads the islamic dominion. I also remember how surah 9 absolved muslim from their treaties and told them it was lawful to attack and exile those with whom they had treaties. House of war may not be in the quoran but it certainly is in d muslim schools. You didnt respond to the issue that the koran says no compulsion whereas the hadith says convert or die\pay. 3 Likes |
Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by johnydon22(m): 8:30pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
Empiree:lol this is another new thing.... never heard about the Dna thingy but i am one of those that are quite sure Igbos aint Isrealites... the ones claiming that should go and argue with their ancestors. |
Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by Empiree: 8:54pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
johnydon22:Everything evolved from Black. So i dont understand why Igbos would want to claim they evolved from Jews. I read the news few days ago. So check it out. result is expected to be out in August. Anyways, make i no derail further. |
Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by geebril(m): 6:14am On Feb 11, 2017 |
annunaki2: which prophet exactly?? |
Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by Empiree: 6:18am On Feb 11, 2017 |
geebril:the dude usually thinks from his anus. he is a waste of time 1 Like |
Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by geebril(m): 6:22am On Feb 11, 2017 |
Empiree:No wonder.... |
Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by annunaki2(m): 11:33am On Feb 11, 2017 |
geebril: Islam has only one prophet, all the other biblical characters they claim to be Islamic prophets had absolutely nothing to do with Islam. Rather mohamed just used their names and reputation to lend credence to his newly invented islamic religion. 3 Likes |
Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by annunaki2(m): 11:36am On Feb 11, 2017 |
geebril: And if you deny the facts I stated above about mohamed, it means that deep within you, you are ashamed of mohamed and something will be telling you he is a fake prophet. 3 Likes |
Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by Empiree: 1:07pm On Feb 11, 2017 |
annunaki2:Can you please tell us their religions backed with evidence from your Bible? |
Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by annunaki2(m): 1:53pm On Feb 11, 2017 |
Empiree: Jewish religion which is also known as judaism. It is you al taquiya muslims that are supposed to provide evidence to back up your spurious claims that they were muslims, unfortunately for you, there is no such evidence other than al taquiya claims your fake prophet made in the useless quoran. |
Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by Empiree: 2:14pm On Feb 11, 2017 |
annunaki2:Sorry, you didn't answer my question. Try again sir |
Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by annunaki2(m): 3:45pm On Feb 11, 2017 |
Empiree: I answered your question, their religion is judaism. |
Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by Empiree: 4:59pm On Feb 11, 2017 |
annunaki2:and your evidence? |
Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by annunaki2(m): 5:44pm On Feb 11, 2017 |
Empiree: I guess due to the islamic indoctrination that has fried what is left of your brain you cannot comprehend that it was the jewish religion that was practised all over the old testament. 1 Like |
Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by Empiree: 6:49pm On Feb 11, 2017 |
annunaki2:i gave you second chance to provide proofs from your holy Book but you keep ranting. Your case is null and void. Now, here is evidence from our Qur'an Say, "We have believed in Allah and in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Descendants, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him." Sura 3:84 The same religion has He established for you {Muhammad} as that which He enjoined on Noah—the which We have sent by inspiration to thee—and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein:... — Quran, sura 42 (Ash-Shura), ayah 13 See how clear this is. There are more evidences from Qur'an. So obviously, you can not proof from your Book as I just did. I dont want to hear "indoctrination" nonsense. If you dont have evidence just be quiet. |
Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by Ubenedictus(m): 7:00pm On Feb 11, 2017 |
annunaki2:let us tone down the insults nd bashing pls. |
Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by annunaki2(m): 7:05pm On Feb 11, 2017 |
Empiree: The problem is that you are assuming the quoran has an iota off credibility instead of owning up to the ffact that it was concocted by a seventh century barbarian under demonic influence. As I said earlier the lies spewed by mohammed in the quoran about biblical prophets were just fabricated to give credibility to his newly invented religion. 1 Like |
Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by annunaki2(m): 7:12pm On Feb 11, 2017 |
Ubenedictus: What insult did I state Labelling mohammed a fake prophet is a 100% confirmed and certified statement of fact and not in anyway an insult. 1 Like |
Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by Ubenedictus(m): 7:56pm On Feb 11, 2017 |
annunaki2:let us respect peoples belief. Start with a premise before d conclusion. |
Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by Empiree: 8:04pm On Feb 11, 2017 |
[s] annunaki2:[/s]Talk is cheap. You said they were all adherents of Judaism but refused to prove it. How is it difficult to understand my point?. If you have no evidence, STOP talking You Said: annunaki2: So i provided my evidence. Kindly provide your evidence that all biblical prophets were adherents of Judaism ? 1 Like |
Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by orunto27: 8:13pm On Feb 11, 2017 |
Islam is inherently Peace, Love and Life. But Muslim is inherently War, ISIS, Bokoharam, Fulani Herdsmen etcetera. 1 Like |
Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by annunaki2(m): 9:09am On Feb 12, 2017 |
Empiree: Unfortunately the source of your evidence has zero credibility and we all know that the jewish people practised judaism based on the old testament thousands of years before Islam was invented by that seventh century criminal. The fact that mohamed made an al taquiya claim in the quoran is no evidence neither does it make sense. It's clear from even your useless quoran and hadiths that the Jews practised a separate religion from that which mohamed invented and mohammed hated the Jews because they refused to accept him as a prophet. 1 Like |
Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by annunaki2(m): 12:17pm On Feb 12, 2017 |
Ubenedictus: But his so called belief is not only full of insults to your beliefs, it is a monumental insult to Christianity and humanity. |
Re: Is Islam Inherently Peace Or Violent? by Empiree: 12:21pm On Feb 12, 2017 |
annunaki2:Alright, you have nothing to say. Kindly SHUT UP |
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