BENIN—FRESH tension is brewing between the Yoruba and the Benin Traditional Council, as the Esogban of Benin Kingdom, Chief David Edebiri, described as absolute falsehood and provocative, the claim by the Oore of Mobaland, Oba James Adedapo Popoola, that until 1914, Benin Obas were buried in IIe-Ife.

He also described as untenable, the claim by Oba Popoola that the Oba of Benin is number four in the cadre of Yoruba kings. The Esogban was reacting to an interview granted by Oba Popoola to a national newspaper (not Vanguard). Speaking to Vanguard in Benin City, Chief Edebiri, who is also the Odionwere of Benin Kingdom, said the position of Oba Popoola was misleading and must not be taken seriously. According to him: “It is absolute falsehood to say that Benin Obas were taken to Ile- Ife for burial. It never happened in our history. The precursor of this present dynasty, Oranmiyan, who came from Ife as requested by the Benin people, went back alive when he felt that he could not cope with the politics of Benin. He went back to Ife. Maybe, he was the one who died there and was buried and they now claim that Benin Obas were buried in Ife. I think that is where the notion came from. The Oba that came after Oraminyan, Eweka I, died and was buried here according to Benin traditional rites, within the palace environment. No Bini man can claim to know where the kings are buried. The two successive obas, the children of Eweka 1, both of them ruled within a space of two years, they died and they were buried here. “So, I pity the Kabiyesi because in the first place, according to him, he is now 17 years on the throne. Maybe, he wants relevance and to be able to do that, he made his wild claims. But what surprises me is, why drag Benin into their problems? If he wanted relevance in his area he should not bring Benin into it. These two Obas in quick succession ruled in Benin and were not taken to Ife. “One can only imagine what it entailed at that time to carry a corpse from Benin to Ife for burial. What was the method of preservation, what was the method of transportation of the remains being carried to Ife and that was done each time an Oba here joined his ancestors? It is not true at all, absolutely untrue.

What I want to advise these people is, in the history of a people, you have history and you have fable and you have folklore. It is possible this is one of their fables which has no sanctity of historical facts. “So, to bring what I am saying vividly, the most prominent Benin king that everybody knows about is Ewuare I. I will tell you what the doyen of Benin history, Late Dr Jacob Egharevba, recorded about his death and burial that was in 1440. In the short history of Benin by Dr J.U Egharevba, page 17 says: “Ewuare died after a long reign and was buried at Esi, near Udo” Udo is in Ovia West Local Government Area, “as commanded before his death.” “This was the oba who commanded that if he died because he was sick, they should not bury him in Benin City, they should take him to Esi, his own mother’s village, to bury. Up-till this time, we are talking, the burial place is preserved, and every Oba who wants to ascend the throne in Benin must go there to perform certain ceremonies. The ascension of Oba Ewuare II was not exempted from this. So, that tells you that there is no iota of truth in the issue. It is a mere figment of their imagination. It is not true. Many of the Yoruba kings today are products of the royal family of Benin. Their lines were begun by Benin people from here but we have never said they should bring their corpses to us. “In Benin, it is a taboo to bring the corpse of your son to you. If it is true, as claimed by the Ooni of Ife who is the father of Oranmiyan which we do not dispute, and Oranmiyan did not stay here in Benin till his death, he went back to Ife, why should he wait for his grand children’s corpse to be brought to him each time any of them passesd on here? “There is no sense in it that you just sit down somewhere in Ife waiting for the corpses of your grandchildren to be brought to you. What do you do with it? So you can see that there is no sense in that” he stated. On the claim that the Oba of Benin was the fourth in the cadre of Yoruba kings, Chief Edebiri said: “This is an oba I am hearing of for the first time and I am sure many people who read that story, would have come across that news for the first time. All the cock and bull stories that he told in that interview that he is the announcer of the passage of Ooni of Ife, well that suits him, if his duty is to announce the passage of another king. “He cannot claim to be number four in Yoruba land because that is in direct conflict with what the Alake of Egbaland was saying a few months ago. The political connection we had with them, we successfully severed the connection in 1963 when we had the plebiscite that created Midwest Region. So, we have nothing to do with their classification, they can go on with whatever they think they are. The Oba of Benin cannot be classified with any of them. Maybe it is not generally known that some of the most progressive kingdoms in the Yorubaland have kings who have direct connection with the royal family of Benin. Maybe they do not even know.”

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/02/no-benin-oba-buried-lle-ife-esogban-benin-edebiri/

If dem like make dem bury am for ezinifite my villa, how does that change a thing?

If him find woman go there, magun come catch am and him die there nko?

Nonsense.

N so what ?

Abeg enough of this history class

The world is a global village

There's no factual proof that past Obas of Bini were buried in Ile-Ife in the past. This is something I've personally researched myself and found to be untrue.

@Bigfrancis
Evidence 1.
Both Benin and Yoruba history corroborate the facts that every third Benin Oba used to be taken to Ife, some say just the head, others say the whole body- but both agree with the burial at Ife.
According to Egharevba the popular Benin historian, the practice seem to have been stopped before the British expedition and subsequent conquest of Benin. But it DID happen.



In Fact the Oba of Benin was said to recognize the Ooni's spiritual sovereignty, even though that later became nominal.

Evidence 2
Their Divinition comes from Ife



Evidence 3.
Their crafts come from Ife

A:


B:



Evidence 4.
Their History and Mythology has always acknowledged Ife and Other Yoruba obas



Edos are always VERY QUICK to attack Yoruba version of history, BUT they have NEVER ever for once told us where the Edos come from.
Christians say God created the world in 6 days and "rested" on the 7th, Yorubas say Oduduwa created the world starting from Ife, while Obatala created man... Edos never tell us anything. All they do is attack Yoruba history, while actually telling us nothing about their own Origins. Okay if Oduduwa was not a Yoruba character like the Benin's claim, then where did the Benin's themselves or the Ogisos, who like Oduduwa are also Semi-mythical characters come from?
It is easy for people to laugh at one explanation to a theory as "not making common sense" while providing no alternative explanation. That is what scientologists do when they attack religion.

This Esogban has a penchant for stirring the fish stew and causing trouble, him, together with the likes of the Alake of Egba who went about the unsolicited business of ranking Obas. If He wants to totally de-link the Benin/Edo history from Yorubas, Abeg let him just say that and let us all rest. Haba. This is just revisionist history at its best.

scholes0:
@Bigfrancis
Evidence 1.
Both Benin and Yoruba history corroborate the facts that every third Benin Oba used to be taken to Ife, some say just the head, others say the whole body- but both agree with the burial at Ife.
According to Egharevba the popular Benin historian, the practice seem to have been stopped before the British expedition and subsequent conquest of Benin. But it DID happen.



In Fact the Oba of Benin was said to recognize the Ooni's spiritual sovereignty, even though that later became nominal.

Evidence 2
Their Divinition comes from Ife



Evidence 3.
Their crafts come from Ife

A:


B:



Evidence 4.
Their History and Mythology has always acknowledged Ife and Other Yoruba obas



Edos are always VERY QUICK to attack Yoruba version of history, BUT they have NEVER ever for once told us where the Edos come from.
Christians say God created the world in 6 days and "rested" on the 7th, Yorubas say Oduduwa created the world starting from Ife, while Obatala created man... Edos never tell us anything. All they do is attack Yoruba history, while actually telling us nothing about their own Origins. Okay if Oduduwa was not a Yoruba character like the Benin's claim, then where did the Benin's themselves or the Ogisos, who like Oduduwa are also Semi-mythical characters come from?
It is easy for people to laugh at one explanation to a theory as "not making common sense" while providing no alternative explanation. That is what scientologists do when they attack religion.

This Esogban has a penchant for stirring the fish stew and causing trouble, him, together with the likes of the Alake of Egba who went about the unsolicited business of ranking Obas. If He wants to totally de-link the Benin/Edo history from Yorubas, Abeg let him just say that and let us all rest. Haba. This is just revisionist history at its best.

.WELL SAID. IF THEY WANT TO DISCONTINUE ANY LINK WITH YORUBA, THEN LET THEM SO DO. AFTER ALL BABA ATI OMO KO NI OKO KI ALA MA WA.. AM EVEN TIRED OF THIS RANTING EVERY OTHER ATTACK ON YORUBA TRADITIONS BY SOME OF THE CHIEFS AND COUNTER ACCUSATION OF HISTORY DISTORTING. LET BINI BE IF THEY HAVE NO RESPECT FOR TRUTH AND TRADITIONS YET THEY WORSHIP IFA. OR WE SHOULD ASK BINI IF IFA IS ALSO FROM OGODOMIGODO? OR IS IT FROM BINI?

Olu317:
.WELL SAID. IF THEY WANT TO DISCONTINUE ANY LINK WITH YORUBA, THEN LET THEM SO DO. AFTER ALL BABA ATI OMO KO NI OKO KI ALA MA WA.. AM EVEN TIRED OF THIS RANTING EVERY OTHER ATTACK ON YORUBA TRADITIONS BY SOME OF THE CHIEFS AND COUNTER ACCUSATION OF HISTORY DISTORTING. LET BINI BE IF THEY HAVE NO RESPECT FOR TRUTH AND TRADITIONS YET THEY WORSHIP IFA. OR WE SHOULD ASK BINI IF IFA IS ALSO FROM OGODOMIGODO? OR IS IT FROM BINI?

The so called Ikaladeran/Ekaladerhan of the Benins is not even Oduduwa, and has never been!
According to authentic Benin history, he was a son of their last Ogiso who was banished and wandered in the bush for days, before finally settling in Ughoton (Ughoton is somewhere in Edo state today, near the confluence of the Osse (Ovia) and Bini rivers).
It if from Ughoton that he was sent for to return back home to the town according to some sources in Benin, while other sources in Benin like Egharevba say he was killed in Ughoton by forces of Ogiso owodo. As in, he was killed and buried there, at an unmarked gravesite.

Whatever the case may be, Ekaladerhan was never oduduwa. The attempt by some unscrupulous elements to make Oduduwa the banished Benin prince ekaladerhan is only very very recent and has never been corroborated in Benin history until now (revisionist attempts).

sarrki:
N so what ?

Abeg enough of this history class

The world is a global village

@ bigfrancis, THAT IS FOR YOU TO BELIEVE BUT YORUBA TRADITIONS ARE TOO STRONG TO BE CORRUPTED ESPECIALLY IFA. ORUN OBA ADO HAS A BURIAL GROUND. IN THE ANCIENT TIMES, PRINCES OF ILE IFE ARE NOT BURIED OUTSIDE ILE AND ONCE THEY MIGRATE TO ANY DESTINATION, SACRIFICES ACCORDING TO IFA'S DICTATES ARE MADE BEFORE BEING BURIED IN SUCH LAND OF SOJOURN AND ESTABLISHMENT. SO MANY THINGS BINI CHIEFS WANT TO KILL JUST TO PROMOTE BINI KINGDOM AS A VERY BIG AND MIGHTY ONE FOR TOURISM PURPOSES CAN NOT COME TO PASS BEYOND ITS ORIGINAL STATUS . BINI KINGDOM WAS BIG TO A LARGE EXTENT BUT DUE TO YORUBA'S INFLUENCE. MANY PEOPLE OF ILE IFE SETTLED DOWN AT BINI EITHER THROUGH ORANMIYAN ENTOURAGE OR MIGRATION. THE TRUTH IS THAT YORUBA DIDN'T AT ANYTIME DENIED BINI'S RIGHT AS A MEMBER OF ODUA LINEAGE BUT SOME OF THE CHIEFS AND HISTORIAN LIKE EGHAVRE TRIED SO MUCH TO DO SUCH. TRUTH HAS A WAY OF FINDING ITSELF IN THE FOREFRONT NO MATTER HOW HARD IT IS BEEN SUPPRESSED. GO TO ILE IFE AND YOU WILL HAVE MORE KNOWLEDGE OF IT IF YOU MEET SOMEONE WHO IS FROM ODUA'S LINEAGE AND THOSE WHO ARE TRADITIONS GUARDIANS AND WHO MUST BE A MEMBER OF THE CULTS BEING PRACTICE AS DICTATES BY OUR ANCESTORS TILL TODAY. ORUN OBA ADO(BINI KINGS) PLACE OF BURIAL IS STILL FOREVER THERE AT ILE IFE.

sarrki:
N so what ?

Abeg enough of this history class

The world is a global village

THAT IS FOR YOU TO BELIEVE BUT YORUBA TRADITIONS ARE TOO STRONG TO BE CORRUPTED ESPECIALLY IFA. ORUN OBA ADO HAS A BURIAL GROUND. IN THE ANCIENT TIMES, PRINCES OF ILE IFE ARE NOT BURIED OUTSIDE ILE AND ONCE THEY MIGRATE TO ANY DESTINATION, SACRIFICES ACCORDING TO IFA'S DICTATES ARE MADE BEFORE BEING BURIED IN SUCH LAND OF SOJOURN AND ESTABLISHMENT. SO MANY THINGS BINI CHIEFS WANT TO KILL JUST TO PROMOTE BINI KINGDOM AS A VERY BIG AND MIGHTY ONE FOR TOURISM PURPOSES CAN NOT COME TO PASS BEYOND ITS ORIGINAL STATUS . BINI KINGDOM WAS BIG TO A LARGE EXTENT BUT DUE TO YORUBA'S INFLUENCE. MANY PEOPLE OF ILE IFE SETTLED DOWN AT BINI EITHER THROUGH ORANMIYAN ENTOURAGE OR MIGRATION. THE TRUTH IS THAT YORUBA DIDN'T AT ANYTIME DENIED BINI'S RIGHT AS A MEMBER OF ODUA LINEAGE BUT SOME OF THE CHIEFS AND HISTORIAN LIKE EGHAVRE TRIED SO MUCH TO DO SUCH. TRUTH HAS A WAY OF FINDING ITSELF IN THE FOREFRONT NO MATTER HOW HARD IT IS BEEN SUPPRESSED. GO TO ILE IFE AND YOU WILL HAVE MORE KNOWLEDGE OF IT IF YOU MEET SOMEONE WHO IS FROM ODUA'S LINEAGE AND THOSE WHO ARE TRADITIONS GUARDIANS AND WHO MUST BE A MEMBER OF THE CULTS BEING PRACTICE AS DICTATES BY OUR ANCESTORS TILL TODAY. ORUN OBA ADO(BINI KINGS) PLACE OF BURIAL IS STILL FOREVER THERE AT ILE IFE.

sarrki:
N so what ?

Abeg enough of this history class

The world is a global village

THAT IS FOR YOU TO BELIEVE BUT YORUBA TRADITIONS ARE TOO STRONG TO BE CORRUPTED ESPECIALLY IFA. ORUN OBA ADO HAS A BURIAL GROUND. IN THE ANCIENT TIMES, PRINCES OF ILE IFE ARE NOT BURIED OUTSIDE ILE AND ONCE THEY MIGRATE TO ANY DESTINATION, SACRIFICES ACCORDING TO IFA'S DICTATES ARE MADE BEFORE BEING BURIED IN SUCH LAND OF SOJOURN AND ESTABLISHMENT. SO MANY THINGS BINI CHIEFS WANT TO KILL JUST TO PROMOTE BINI KINGDOM AS A VERY BIG AND MIGHTY ONE FOR TOURISM PURPOSES CAN NOT COME TO PASS BEYOND ITS ORIGINAL STATUS . BINI KINGDOM WAS BIG TO A LARGE EXTENT BUT DUE TO YORUBA'S INFLUENCE. MANY PEOPLE OF ILE IFE SETTLED DOWN AT BINI EITHER THROUGH ORANMIYAN ENTOURAGE OR MIGRATION. THE TRUTH IS THAT YORUBA DIDN'T AT ANYTIME DENIED BINI'S RIGHT AS A MEMBER OF ODUA LINEAGE BUT SOME OF THE CHIEFS AND HISTORIAN LIKE EGHAVRE TRIED SO MUCH TO DO SUCH. TRUTH HAS A WAY OF FINDING ITSELF IN THE FOREFRONT NO MATTER HOW HARD IT IS BEEN SUPPRESSED. GO TO ILE IFE AND YOU WILL HAVE MORE KNOWLEDGE OF IT IF YOU MEET SOMEONE WHO IS FROM ODUA'S LINEAGE AND THOSE WHO ARE TRADITIONS GUARDIANS AND WHO MUST BE A MEMBER OF THE CULTS BEING PRACTICE AS DICTATES BY OUR ANCESTORS TILL TODAY. ORUN OBA ADO(BINI KINGS) PLACE OF BURIAL IS STILL FOREVER THERE AT ILE IFE.

scholes0:


The so called Ikaladeran/Ekaladerhan of the Benins is not even Oduduwa, and has never been!
According to authentic Benin history, he was a son of their last Ogiso who was banished and wandered in the bush for days, before finally settling in Ughoton (Ughoton is somewhere in Edo state today, near the confluence of the Osse (Ovia) and Bini rivers).
It if from Ughoton that he was sent for to return back home to the town according to some sources in Benin, while other sources in Benin like Egharevba say he was killed in Ughoton by forces of Ogiso owodo. As in, he was killed and buried there, at an unmarked gravesite.

Whatever the case may be, Ekaladerhan was never oduduwa. The attempt by some unscrupulous elements to make the banished Benin prince ekaladerhan is only very very recent and has never been corroborated in Benin history until now (revisionist attempts).

DO EKALADERHAN HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF ‘ASARA' OR ROBE WEARING? OR THE CROWN SHAPED ON HIS HEAD(ODUA's head) WAS FROM OGODOMIGODO? SOON, BINI CHIEFS WILL START PEDDLING RUMOURS AGAIN THAT OGUN WAS FROM OGODOMIGODO OR OBATALA WAS FROM OGODOMIGODO. YORUBA ANCIENT MEN WERE SO ORALLY VAST THAT THEY RECALL THEIR MIGRATION TO ILE IFE BUT WILL NEVER COME OUT OPENLY TO SPEAK ABOUT IT BECAUSE THE CULTS IN ILE IFE. YORUBA LANGUAGE IS ENSHRINED IS ASHÉ/ASÉ ( HEBREW'S MASHAH).IFA HAS THE EULOGY TALKED ABOUT IT

Olu317:
THAT IS FOR YOU TO BELIEVE BUT YORUBA TRADITIONS ARE TOO STRONG TO BE CORRUPTED ESPECIALLY IFA. ORUN OBA ADO HAS A BURIAL GROUND. IN THE ANCIENT TIMES, PRINCES OF ILE IFE ARE NOT BURIED OUTSIDE ILE AND ONCE THEY MIGRATE TO ANY DESTINATION, SACRIFICES ACCORDING TO IFA'S DICTATES ARE MADE BEFORE BEING BURIED IN SUCH LAND OF SOJOURN AND ESTABLISHMENT. SO MANY THINGS BINI CHIEFS WANT TO KILL JUST TO PROMOTE BINI KINGDOM AS A VERY BIG AND MIGHTY ONE FOR TOURISM PURPOSES CAN NOT COME TO PASS BEYOND ITS ORIGINAL STATUS . BINI KINGDOM WAS BIG TO A LARGE EXTENT BUT DUE TO YORUBA'S INFLUENCE. MANY PEOPLE OF ILE IFE SETTLED DOWN AT BINI EITHER THROUGH ORANMIYAN ENTOURAGE OR MIGRATION. THE TRUTH IS THAT YORUBA DIDN'T AT ANYTIME DENIED BINI'S RIGHT AS A MEMBER OF ODUA LINEAGE BUT SOME OF THE CHIEFS AND HISTORIAN LIKE EGHAVRE TRIED SO MUCH TO DO SUCH. TRUTH HAS A WAY OF FINDING ITSELF IN THE FOREFRONT NO MATTER HOW HARD IT IS BEEN SUPPRESSED. GO TO ILE IFE AND YOU WILL HAVE MORE KNOWLEDGE OF IT IF YOU MEET SOMEONE WHO IS FROM ODUA'S LINEAGE AND THOSE WHO ARE TRADITIONS GUARDIANS AND WHO MUST BE A MEMBER OF THE CULTS BEING PRACTICE AS DICTATES BY OUR ANCESTORS TILL TODAY. ORUN OBA ADO(BINI KINGS) PLACE OF BURIAL IS STILL FOREVER THERE AT ILE IFE. THAT IS FOR YOU TO BELIEVE BUT YORUBA TRADITIONS ARE TOO STRONG TO BE CORRUPTED ESPECIALLY IFA. ORUN OBA ADO HAS A BURIAL GROUND. IN THE ANCIENT TIMES, PRINCES OF ILE IFE ARE NOT BURIED OUTSIDE ILE AND ONCE THEY MIGRATE TO ANY DESTINATION, SACRIFICES ACCORDING TO IFA'S DICTATES ARE MADE BEFORE BEING BURIED IN SUCH LAND OF SOJOURN AND ESTABLISHMENT. SO MANY THINGS BINI CHIEFS WANT TO KILL JUST TO PROMOTE BINI KINGDOM AS A VERY BIG AND MIGHTY ONE FOR TOURISM PURPOSES CAN NOT COME TO PASS BEYOND ITS ORIGINAL STATUS . BINI KINGDOM WAS BIG TO A LARGE EXTENT BUT DUE TO YORUBA'S INFLUENCE. MANY PEOPLE OF ILE IFE SETTLED DOWN AT BINI EITHER THROUGH ORANMIYAN ENTOURAGE OR MIGRATION. THE TRUTH IS THAT YORUBA DIDN'T AT ANYTIME DENIED BINI'S RIGHT AS A MEMBER OF ODUA LINEAGE BUT SOME OF THE CHIEFS AND HISTORIAN LIKE EGHAVRE TRIED SO MUCH TO DO SUCH. TRUTH HAS A WAY OF FINDING ITSELF IN THE FOREFRONT NO MATTER HOW HARD IT IS BEEN SUPPRESSED. GO TO ILE IFE AND YOU WILL HAVE MORE KNOWLEDGE OF IT IF YOU MEET SOMEONE WHO IS FROM ODUA'S LINEAGE AND THOSE WHO ARE TRADITIONS GUARDIANS AND WHO MUST BE A MEMBER OF THE CULTS BEING PRACTICE AS DICTATES BY OUR ANCESTORS TILL TODAY. ORUN OBA ADO(BINI KINGS) PLACE OF BURIAL IS STILL FOREVER THERE AT ILE IFE.

Do you know is against the rule to write in capital letter

Always live by the rule you are guided

sarrki:


Do you know is against the rule to write in capital letter

Always live by the rule you are guided

Oops! my wrong. I don't like following rules bro but as my heart direct although I had learned from the great men in their elderly age that there is NO room for error when it comes to one's responsibility and once erroneous mistakes are made, then one is condemned by one's detractors and some followers. Despite the fact that I have been banned on here for reasons best known to the moderator(s) on his/her/their perspective as regard the norms as depict on here. I didn't complain nor defend my actual reason for response to defamatory words express by my offenders on me. I am a pure Yoruba breed and anyone who uses a foul language on me is ready for response from me. I don't hit at anyone unless vulgar words are directed at me. And if I made an open remark on a tribe that I didn't mention; translation from my Yoruba word(’people that don't know than to worship money)why would I be banned?, ko ma kan mi o Adiye ti o sú ti o tô ni sè bi ara é lo wa.@ Sarrki, I LIVE BY BOYS SCOUT MOTTO; BE PREPARED.E MI OMO AROGUN DADE, EMI OMO AROTE MA BERU........ TI WON KI NI KAABIYESI E OOOO

There will keep being confusion on this issue until the issue of the Igbo aborigines of Ile Ife (the Lucumi) is willingly addressed and acknowledged.These people were led by Obatala, who was also called Oba Igbo and Obi Osere Igbo. The last Obatala before the warrior Oduduwa and the heroine Moremi liberated Ile Ife for the Yorubas was Oba Igbo Oreluere. His son Prince (later Eze) Chima was the last titular Prince of Benin, the same way the crown Prince of England, Prince Charles is also the titular Prince of Wales. This is where the confusion comes from.

It was only after Ogiso Owodo that the Benin people started having Obas. Before then, they had approached the Igbo aborigines of Uhe (Ile Ife) with the proposal to provide them with titular princes in the manner I have staTed above. For more get this kindle book:
https://www.amazon.com/History-Igbo-World-Ancient-Civilization-ebook/dp/B01K4AIUO8

igbodefender:
There will keep being confusion on this issue until the issue of the Igbo aborigines of Ile Ife (the Lucumi) is willingly addressed and acknowledged.These people were led by Obatala, who was also called Oba Igbo and Obi Osere Igbo. The last Obatala before the warrior Oduduwa and the heroine Moremi liberated Ile Ife for the Yorubas was Oba Igbo Oreluere. His son Prince (later Eze) Chima was the last titular Prince of Benin, the same way the crown Prince of England, Prince Charles is also the titular Prince of Wales. This is where the confusion comes from.

It was only after Ogiso Owodo that the Benin people started having Obas. Before then, they had approached the Igbo aborigines of Uhe (Ile Ife) with the proposal to provide them with titular princes in the manner I have staTed above. For more get this kindle book:
https://www.amazon.com/History-Igbo-World-Ancient-Civilization-ebook/dp/B01K4AIUO8

.You are joking! This info you have on here is not part of Yoruba history because, you don't know that our rich culture/history is enshrined in cults (religion). No prince left Ile Ife without a sword of Prince hood from Royal House of ILE IFE,as you can see, that's where you story is PUNCTURED! The people of the South Eastern Nigerians aren't Igbo until recently. Go check the history before bringing unfathomable historic relationship. Kini oriki idile Ibos?, The ugbo or igbo depending on the nasal pronunciation,just as we say Eledumare or Olodumare. There are different parts of Yoruba that pronounces with nasal tone while others pronounces with less nasal tone. Kindly stop this irreconcilable truth of trying to muddle a group of people with absolute different ideology. The Oluigbo has come out to differentiate between Ibos (Ndi gbo that came to existence in less than 100 years ) and compare to ugbo/ìgbo Yoruba descendants of thousands of years. I guess the next thing is for IBO's historians to start claiming every part of Yoruba land that has same letters words ( Igbo/Ìgbó which mean so many things in Yoruba land ) but different in meaning from Ibos (Ndi gbo) . Even the Agatu /Igbira/ Nupe (Tapa ) whose language and people that are closely related to Yoruba knows the fact that YORUBA AND THEM AREN'T THE SAME PEOPLE. To the extent that Yoruba use proverb to refer to the Tapas of the ancient time at one time that says; ãyè gbà Tapa tan O un kò ilè igunu. How much more the south East people of Ibo extraction. This show the difference between Yoruba of Ile Ife descendants of Nupe/Tapa descendants

Olu317:
.You are joking! This info you have on here is not part of Yoruba history because, you don't know that our rich culture/history is enshrined in cults (religion). No prince left Ile Ife without a sword of Prince hood from Royal House of ILE IFE,as you can see, that's where you story is PUNCTURED! The people of the South Eastern Nigerians aren't Igbo until recently. Go check the history before bringing unfathomable historic relationship. Kini oriki idile Ibos?, The ugbo or igbo depending on the nasal pronunciation,just as we say Eledumare or Olodumare. There are different parts of Yoruba that pronounces with nasal tone while others pronounces with less nasal tone. Kindly stop this irreconcilable truth of trying to muddle a group of people with absolute different ideology. The Oluigbo has come out to differentiate between Ibos (Ndi gbo that came to existence in less than 100 years ) and compare to ugbo/ìgbo Yoruba descendants of thousands of years. I guess the next thing is for IBO's historians to start claiming every part of Yoruba land that has same letters words ( Igbo/Ìgbó which mean so many things in Yoruba land ) but different in meaning from Ibos (Ndi gbo) . Even the Agatu /Igbira/ Nupe (Tapa ) whose language and people that are closely related to Yoruba knows the fact that YORUBA AND THEM AREN'T THE SAME PEOPLE. To the extent that Yoruba use proverb to refer to the Tapas of the ancient time at one time that says; ãyè gbà Tapa tan O un kò ilè igunu. How much more the south East people of Ibo extraction. This show the difference between Yoruba of Ile Ife descendants of Nupe/Tapa descendants

@bold...really?

bigfrancis21:


@bold...really?

PERFECTLY TRUE. People of south Eastern Nigeria DIDN'T aADDRESSED THEMSELVES EVEN TO THE WHITE SLAVE MASTERS AS IGBOS .The word was coined in less than 100 years ago by some educated Easterners. This was the beginning of the problem because the word had the same letters with Yoruba's word but different meaning.Yoruba have igbo/bush/Igbo(to represents the Obatala rebellious Yoruba people who moved out of ILE IFE to protest against ODUA emergence /Igbo-ho (an earlier settlement of Yoruba during earliest times / Ode Igbo(Odigbo) a settlement of Yoruba after dispersion of ILE IFE during clan wars / à gbo à tó( cultic greetings to grow longer in life)/ Ogbo( old) /gbo(bark) just few. This word had been part and parcel of Yoruba land from time immemorial.

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Olu317:
PERFECTLY TRUE. People of south Eastern Nigeria aADDRESSED THEMSELVES EVEN TO THE WHITE SLAVE MASTERS AS Igbos .The word was coined in less than 100 years ago by some educated Easterners. This was the beginning of the problem because the word had the same letters with Yoruba's word but different meaning.Yoruba have igbo/bush/Igbo(to represents the Obatala rebellious Yoruba people who moved out of ILE IFE to protest against ODUA emergence /Igbo-ho (an earlier settlement of Yoruba during earliest times / Ode Igbo(Odigbo) a settlement of Yoruba after dispersion of ILE IFE during clan wars / à gbo à tó( cultic greetings to grow longer in life)/ Ogbo( old) /gbo(bark) just few. This word had been part and parcel of Yoruba land from time immemorial.

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Yoruba and rewriting history.

bigfrancis21:


Yoruba and rewriting history.

bigfrancis ,I don't need to convince you at all. But OLAUDAH EQUINO who was also known as GUSTAVUS VASSA, GRAVES, who was a pioneer writer of South Eastern people mentioned Your TRIBE AS EBOE. This alone is self explanatory for you guys. Let me hit you with the Bomb Shell, I am from that ROYAL HOUSE OF ODUA LINEAGE AND THE PRINCELY SWORD IS IN MY GENEALOGICAL FAMILY HOUSE. I AM EVEN OF THE GREAT GRANDCHILDREN OF THE FIRST WIFE IN MY FAMILY, CAN YOU UNRAVEL WHAT THIS MEAN? . YOU CAN'T LOVE OR KNOW MY HISTORY MORE THAN I DO AND YOU CAN'T BLEED OR DIE FOR MY RACE MORE THAN I SO WHICH TO DO, BECAUSE IT IS A RESPONSIBILITY OF EVERY PRINCE. LOBATAN.

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Olu317:
bigfrancis ,I don't need to convince you at all. But OLAUDAH EQUINO who was also known as GUSTAVUS VASSA, GRAVES, who was a pioneer writer of South Eastern people mentioned Your TRIBE AS EBOE. This alone is self explanatory for you guys. Let hit with the Bomb Shell, I am from that ROYAL HOUSE OF ODUA LINEAGE AND THE PRINCELY SWORD IS IN MY GENEALOGICAL FAMILY HOUSE. I AM EVEN OF THE GREAT GRANDCHILDREN OF THE FIRST WIFE IN MY FAMILY. YOU CAN'T LOVE OR KNOW MY HISTORY MORE THAN IA DO AND YOU CAN'T BLEED OR DIE FOR RACE MORE THAN I BECAUSE IT IS A RESPONSIBILITY OF EVERY PRINCE. LOBATAN.

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All your write-ups are known to be trash and lack credibility. The way you spew trash on here like only you has access to the internet.

bigfrancis21:
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All your write-ups are known to be trash and lack credibility. The way you spew trash on here like only you has access to the internet.

YOU ARE THE ONE THAT NEED KNOWLEDGE, ON A PEOPLE AND IT SEEM TO BE IN ORDER IF YOU SEEK THE TO KNOW THE TRUTH. I DON'T PRY OUTSIDE WHAT AM CONVERSANT WITH. THIS IS WHAT MAKE ME LEARNED. I COMMENT ON THINGS I HAVE KNOWLEDGE ON. I DON'T HAVE TIME TO UPLOAD SOME DOCUMENTS ON HERE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T CHANGE YOUR OPINION NOR CHANGE PEOPLE OF YOUR LIKE MIND BUT I HIT ON THE TRUTH. IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING CONTRARY TO MY FACTS AS I HAVE BEEN LISTING .KINDLY DO SERVE ME WITH YOUR FACTS. LASTLY, PERSONAL OPINION DIFFERS FROM FACTS AND FACTS CAN BE LESSER INFORMATION ONCE A NEWER EVIDENCE CREPT. SO BRO CHECK YOURSELF.

bigfrancis21:
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All your write-ups are known to be trash and lack credibility. The way you spew trash on here like only you has access to the internet.

YOU ARE THE ONE THAT NEED KNOWLEDGE, ON A PEOPLE YOU SEEM NOT ADEQUATELY HAVE KNOWLEDGE ON. AND TO BE IN ORDER IF YOU SEEK THE TO KNOW THE TRUTH,YOU MUST GO THROUGH THE RIGHT SOURCES. I DON'T PRY OUTSIDE WHAT AM CONVERSANT WITH. THIS IS WHAT MAKE ME LEARNED BECAUSE ONCE YOU FOCUS ON SOMETHING, YOU BECOME THE BEST IN IT WHICH DUE TO EXPANSIVE RESEARCH . I COMMENT ON THINGS I HAVE KNOWLEDGE ON. I DON'T HAVE TIME TO UPLOAD SOME DOCUMENTS ON HERE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T CHANGE YOUR OPINION NOR CHANGE PEOPLE OF YOUR LIKE MIND'S OPINION BUT I HIT ON THE TRUTH. IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING CONTRARY TO MY FACTS AS I HAVE BEEN LISTING .KINDLY DO SERVE ME WITH YOUR FACTS. LASTLY, PERSONAL OPINION DIFFERS FROM FACTS AND FACTS CAN BE LESSER INFORMATION ONCE A NEWER EVIDENCE CREPT AND IT DOESN'T MAKE THE PREVIOUS ONES LIES BUT A GUIDE. SO BRO CHECK YOURSELF.

bigfrancis21:
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All your write-ups are known to be trash and lack credibility. The way you spew trash on here like only you has access to the internet.

Google it... When did NDI GBO word came into existence? I can't stop laughing at your ideology of trying to FUSE Ibos identity with Yoruba. Chima kó princess Chidinma nì.

Olu317:
.You are joking! This info you have on here is not part of Yoruba history because, you don't know that our rich culture/history is enshrined in cults (religion). No prince left Ile Ife without a sword of Prince hood from Royal House of ILE IFE,as you can see, that's where you story is PUNCTURED! The people of the South Eastern Nigerians aren't Igbo until recently. Go check the history before bringing unfathomable historic relationship. Kini oriki idile Ibos?, The ugbo or igbo depending on the nasal pronunciation,just as we say Eledumare or Olodumare. There are different parts of Yoruba that pronounces with nasal tone while others pronounces with less nasal tone. Kindly stop this irreconcilable truth of trying to muddle a group of people with absolute different ideology. The Oluigbo has come out to differentiate between Ibos (Ndi gbo that came to existence in less than 100 years ) and compare to ugbo/ìgbo Yoruba descendants of thousands of years. I guess the next thing is for IBO's historians to start claiming every part of Yoruba land that has same letters words ( Igbo/Ìgbó which mean so many things in Yoruba land ) but different in meaning from Ibos (Ndi gbo) . Even the Agatu /Igbira/ Nupe (Tapa ) whose language and people that are closely related to Yoruba knows the fact that YORUBA AND THEM AREN'T THE SAME PEOPLE. To the extent that Yoruba use proverb to refer to the Tapas of the ancient time at one time that says; ãyè gbà Tapa tan O un kò ilè igunu. How much more the south East people of Ibo extraction. This show the difference between Yoruba of Ile Ife descendants of Nupe/Tapa descendants

Sir, you keep mentioning Olu Igbo. Are you aware that there is an Igbo sub group called Olu that settled in Igbo Land from ancient times? See http://www.igbodefender.com/2017/02/06/the-olu-igbo-people-igbos-of-igalla-origin/

And how can you say Igbo is a new name for the Igbo? All the other names of the Igbo, like Egbo, Ibo, Eboe, Iboe are all different spellings of the same great group.

You say the Igbo referred to in the Ile Ife aboriginal story are the people of todays Ugbo town. Do you know that several Ugbo towns exist in Igboland today, for instance Onicha (Orissa) Ugbo, Ugbodu, Ugbolu, Ugbokko Araba etc., etc., etc? These are Igbo Ugbo towns. We are not lying. Take a look at their names. What's your reaction to this?

igbodefender:

You keep mentioning Olu Igbo. Are you aware that there is an Igbo sub group called Olu that settled in Igbo Land from ancient times? And how can you say Igbo is a new name for the Igbo? All the other names of the Igbo, like Egbo, Ibo, Eboe, Iboe are all different spellings of the same great group.

You say the Igbo referred to in the Ile Ife aboriginal story are the people of todays Ugbo town. Do you know that several Ugbo towns exist in Igboland today, for instance Onicha (Orissa) Ugbo, Ugbodu, Ugbolu, etc?

My dear, One thing is certain in life and it is migration. I have seen and heard people even bearing the name called “OLUIGBO"from the East but different in meaning to Yoruba's.People have knowledge of where their ancestors migrate from which is the basis of who they were. I am not even in anyway in doubt of such words existing in the East BUT being ADDRESSED AS IGBO was recent past and not in connection with Yoruba. Just as Oba is a town in the East so do Yoruba have Oba as old as nearly ILE IFE and Je O ba (Oba called King). And Name Like Obatala and the likes existed thousands of years ago. The Ebira that even have a closely related language with Yoruba aren't a Yoruba stocks. We YORUBA SIMPLY HAVE PANEGYRICS/EULOGY ( ORIKI IDILE). I am a core Yoruba man born in the city and vast in the knowledge of His Ethnicity. I don't know much about Ebira /Agatu /Nupe/Igala/Hausa/Fulani/Ibos etc history except once it find it connection to Yoruba of ILE IFE ancestry whom were originally called Usere-magbo at one time and AKU people at another time before being called different names but retain one means of Religion worship. I have done some tangible research on them and claims and every one of them have their separate identity. ( our style of greeting and religion which single us out which was used to identify us) .Do you know how hard it makes many people angry including me to see and read such INSULT our HERITAGE as one FAKE “PrinceLESS CHIMA". And for any relationship to have existed, the ancestors pass it down from one generation to another, and in it ,Yoruba emphasize where the relationship begun. AS “LAIDE IS WEALTH/RICHES ARRIVAL" IN YORUBA ,IT MEANS “UGLY" IN FRENCH LANGUAGE. So, to have places having similarities in names has nothing to do with PATRILINEAL or MATRILINEAL connection until proven otherwise. That's how we are and that is who we are and that's who we will always be. I have digressed enough on it and not necessary the right thing to do if you follow the OP write up. No hard feelings but being SINCERE.Stay bless.

igbodefender:


Sir, you keep mentioning Olu Igbo. Are you aware that there is an Igbo sub group called Olu that settled in Igbo Land from ancient times? See http://www.igbodefender.com/2017/02/06/the-olu-igbo-people-igbos-of-igalla-origin/

And how can you say Igbo is a new name for the Igbo? All the other names of the Igbo, like Egbo, Ibo, Eboe, Iboe are all different spellings of the same great group.

You say the Igbo referred to in the Ile Ife aboriginal story are the people of todays Ugbo town. Do you know that several Ugbo towns exist in Igboland today, for instance Onicha (Orissa) Ugbo, Ugbodu, Ugbolu, Ugbokko Araba etc., etc., etc? These are Igbo Ugbo towns. We are not lying. Take a look at their names. What's your reaction to this?

IF IN 1789,A WELL EDUCATED AND VAST MAN IN THE PERSON OF OLAUDAH EQUIANO a FREE SLAVE OF SOUTH EASTERN NIGERIA WHO RESIDED IN ENGLAND ,WROTE ABOUT HIS TRIBE AS IBO. AND HERE YOU ARE DENOUNCING IT AND TURNED IT TO IGBO THEN, IT MAKE NONSENSE OF THE MAN'S INTELLECTUALITY BECAUSE DURING THOSE YEARS OF 17th/18th/19th CENTURIES,YOU HAVE TO BE EXTREMELY VAST IN PHONETIC SOUNDS IN ENGLISH AS A FREE SLAVE BEFORE YOU CAN BE ACKNOWLEDGED IN THE MIDST OF SLAVES MASTERS . AND FOR HIM TO HAVE WRITTEN HIS AUTOBIOGRAPHY AND HE DEFINITELY MUST HAVE BEEN A GREAT MIND. HE EVEN FOUGHT FOR ABOLISHMENT OF SLAVE TRADE. AND NOW YOU MAKE ME FEEL YOU ARE ALL “BIASED" AGAINST THE MAN. I AM NOT AGAINST YOU GUYS BEING CALLED IGBO BUT DONT MUDDLE IT UP WITH YORUBA'S HISTORY. I-GB-O IS DIFFERENT FROM E/BO/E “GB" IS NOT AS SAME AS “B" EVEN IN YOUR(IGBO) ALPHABETS.

bigfrancis21:


@bold...really?

Take him serious at your own peril