Collinsemegreat:
Medical biochemist

And you say you have the same training with someone in MLS?

Reading through.

chomytex:
Reading through.

Are u a microbiologist??

Oogway:

Are u a microbiologist??

yea

chomytex:
yea

What level?

Oogway:

What level?

300

chomytex:
300

How is immunology treating you. And staph lolz. Where do you intend specialising in

Oogway:



How is immunology treating you. And staph lolz. Where do you intend specialising in

still on d introduction sha.conquest of polio, Edward jenner and co.
staph..hmmm that one deh
industrial or enviromental.still weighing my options. what about you?

chomytex:
still on d introduction sha.conquest of polio, Edward jenner and co.
staph..hmmm that one deh
industrial or enviromental.still weighing my options. what about you?

I'm a doctor, Did Medical Microbiology and parasitology in my Year 4. Under laboratory medicine. I really enjoyed the course though, it was broad but fun.

Oogway:


I'm a doctor, Did Medical Microbiology and parasitology in my Year 4. Under laboratory medicine. I really enjoyed the course though, it was broad but fun.

Wow! nice one doc.

What a nice discussion, i was laughing real hard when Sct nelszx deal with the topic with real facts. I believe soon we will have lots and thousands of seasoned medical laboratory scientists with PHDs or even Professors.

nelszx:


Ok for peace to reign I admit. But is there really a health care act in Nigeria or do you mean National health act cos the latter I know of but the former I don't know and haven't seen it anywhere in my life.

Ok please shoot I'd love to know the lists of tests for starters aside Histopathology.

Hahaha our brothers like yourself. Happy to know you have found fulfilment in your new found path. I wish you the very best

It's a good thing you admitted Histopathology is way above your league. I was a bit busy at hospital so I didn't have time to draw up your list so I would borrow time from my Val.

1stly have you ever heard of "POINT OF CARE TESTING"
Where the patient is treated without having to go to the lab? I don't need a scientist to perform a:
Blood sugar test as any one can operate a glucometer
Pregnancy test, as anyone can work a test tube
Urinalysis trip
Ovulation timer, etc

Now to the bone of contention:
The following CAN'T be carried out by an Average laboratory scientist as they lack the clinical skills

MICROBIOLOGY: Sensitivity testing to test the resistance of a microorganism to a drug
Bone marrow examination and biopsy
HISTOPATHOLOGY: Biopsy
HAEMATOLOGY: Haematopoeic stem cell transplant and it's test
Colonoscopy
CARDIAC MARKERS
H-FABP Test
Immonoassay
NPPB

Insulin like growth test
Autopsy
Forensic toxicology
NSE
I could go on and on.

The issue of UniAbj having its first MLS director is laudable. But here's an extract from Google on the hierarchy of a diagnostic lab

The last picture is from Yahoo answers. Where it is stated clearly that a pathologist should head a lab. Please noted that in all your quotes about US and how MLS heads lab. A pathologist in those countries earn almost triple what a scientist earns and I come to wonder how you would be paid higher than your boss. Lolz

chomytex:
Wow! nice one doc.

Email me, let's talk

Oogway:


It's a good thing you admitted Histopathology is way above your league. I was a bit busy at hospital so I didn't have time to draw up your list so I would borrow time from my Val.

1stly have you ever heard of "POINT OF CARE TESTING"
Where the patient is treated without having to go to the lab? I don't need a scientist to perform a:
Blood sugar test as any one can operate a glucometer
Pregnancy test, as anyone can work a test tube
Urinalysis trip
Ovulation timer, etc

Now to the bone of contention:
The following CAN'T be carried out by an Average laboratory scientist as they lack the clinical skills

MICROBIOLOGY: Sensitivity testing to test the resistance of a microorganism to a drug
Bone marrow examination and biopsy
HISTOPATHOLOGY: Biopsy
HAEMATOLOGY: Haematopoeic stem cell transplant and it's test
Colonoscopy
CARDIAC MARKERS
H-FABP Test
Immonoassay
NPPB

Insulin like growth test
Autopsy
Forensic toxicology
NSE
I could go on and on.

The issue of UniAbj having its first MLS director is laudable. But here's an extract from Google on the hierarchy of a diagnostic lab

The last picture is from Yahoo answers. Where it is stated clearly that a pathologist should head a lab. Please noted that in all your quotes about US and how MLS heads lab. A pathologist in those countries earn almost triple what a scientist earns and I come to wonder how you would be paid higher than your boss. Lolz

Do you know my problem with you, you always leave facts to chase shadows. If my memory doesn't fail me you drew my attention to "We in Nigeria". You call POCT and it makes me laugh hard. Common spare me that after doing the POCT why not send the patient home? Aside using glucometer for patients which is allowed (despite its inaccuracy of results) others my brother is just termed quackery and an encroachment of job function.

So back to your question:

Microbiology: No pathologist and I repeat no pathologist tests for the resistance of an organism to antibiotics (basically that's not his work). Even at a higher level of resistance to assay for it it's still not pathologist who do it.

Histopathology: the biopsy you claim are most times done by a MLS, a typical example in the UK, MLS (Histopathology FRCPATH) now do biopsies and read histopathological slides quit making a fuss out of it.

Haematology: Stem cell transplant are solely reserved for doctors not necessarily pathologist. Even a doctor in family medicine can do that but to burst your bubble NO PATHOLOGIST in Nigeria has ever successfully carried out/done bone marrow let alone stem cell transplant.

As for Cardiac markers and all immunoassays (aside radioassays) are done by MLS (I even did one Cardiac profile yesterday ). NPPB and H-FABP are still immunoassays but it's not even done in Nigeria and since it uses ELISA kits (wherever it's done it'd be done by a MLS). Colonoscopy isn't in the purview of MLS but rather MLS check out for markers that causes colorectal cancer.

Autopsy - No but who process sample from autopsies (MLS).

Keep your hierarchy bro we're in Nigeria (like you always say t me) that hierarchy is non- functional in some countries. Hasn't anyone told you Wikipedia isn't a reliable source? You saw a real case scenario and you are showing me Wikipedia (Mtscheew).

Yes pathologist should be paid higher than any conventional MLS (by virtue of Post graduate diploma) in any hospital but they earn almost same as their mates in MLS (PhD scientists who maybe specialists or generalist in Laboratory medicine [Msc and PhD]) due to disparity in certain allowances.

nelszx:


Do you know my problem with you, you always leave facts to chase shadows. If my memory doesn't fail me you drew my attention to "We in Nigeria". You call POCT and it makes me laugh hard. Common spare me that after doing the POCT why not send the patient home? Aside using glucometer for patients which is allowed (despite its inaccuracy of results) others my brother is just termed quackery and an encroachment of job function.

So back to your question:

Microbiology: No pathologist and I repeat no pathologist tests for the resistance of an organism to antibiotics (basically that's not his work). Even at a higher level of resistance to assay for it it's still not pathologist who do it.

Histopathology: the biopsy you claim are most times done by a MLS, a typical example in the UK, MLS (Histopathology FRCPATH) now do biopsies and read histopathological slides quit making a fuss out of it.

Haematology: Stem cell transplant are solely reserved for doctors not necessarily pathologist. Even a doctor in family medicine can do that but to burst your bubble NO PATHOLOGIST in Nigeria has ever successfully carried out/done bone marrow let alone stem cell transplant.

As for Cardiac markers and all immunoassays (aside radioassays) are done by MLS (I even did one Cardiac profile yesterday ). NPPB and H-FABP are still immunoassays but it's not even done in Nigeria and since it uses ELISA kits (wherever it's done it'd be done by a MLS). Colonoscopy isn't in the purview of MLS but rather MLS check out for markers that causes colorectal cancer.

Autopsy - No but who process sample from autopsies (MLS).

Keep your hierarchy bro we're in Nigeria (like you always say t me) that hierarchy is non- functional in some countries. Hasn't anyone told you Wikipedia isn't a reliable source? You saw a real case scenario and you are showing me Wikipedia (Mtscheew).

Yes pathologist should be paid higher than any conventional MLS (by virtue of Post graduate diploma) in any hospital but they earn almost same as their mates in MLS (PhD scientists who maybe specialists or generalist in Laboratory medicine [Msc and PhD]) due to disparity in certain allowances.

Let's start from the bottom to top:
There's a very big difference between a phD and becoming a fellow, a PhD is purely academic and the later is Clinical. Still a phD laboratory scientists or an MLS.D holder doesn't come close to a pathologist in terms of pay. Need I remind you there's something called relativity in the health care sector. A doctor always earn a certain ratio of wage above other members of the health team including the scientists.
https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/ph-d-vs-m-d-in-pathology.124602/

That would do justice to your issue of a PhD laboratory scientists and a Pathologist

Now to the issue of Those tests. You are always quick to run to US for facts. Which MLS carry out and interpret biopsy in Nigeria
And yes, Nigeria has done a Haematopoeic stem cell transplant and several other procedures

In UCTH Pathologist specialising in MCB Carry out sensitivity test, I wonder who does it if not the doctor.

Atleast you agree MLS don't do autopsy and forensic pathology. I'm not a pathologist so I won't know about several of those other test but I would confirm from my collegues at my spare time.

Haematopoeic stem cell transplant isn't done by any doctor bro, they're several things that come into play before and after that process only a Haematologist in Nigeria carry out such. I can mention several other procedures that i do that you guys can't but since we talked about laboratory tests I would stick to the Psthology lab.

Finally, POCT. Bro, the Doctor is the head of the headcare team he decides which other professionals to add to his management plan after waying several factors. Time is a major fact in determining the application of POCT. Imagine a patient in hypoglycemic induced coma, would I wait for to fill a request form and all that? When would the results be out? The patient would die. Please note that a diagnosis isn't done in a laboratory but a laboratory only confirms a disnosis. And if it doesn't correspond to the doctors fears another test is ordered. So I don't see where incroachment comes in here.

A know of a Nigerian Haemotologist who has done a transplant in Nigeria he was one of my lecturer back in school. I don't wanna call his name for security reasons.

As for Wikipedia, yes sometimes it has errors and not everytime. Didn't you also see the picture from Yahoo answers. Only in 12 states that MLS operate independently out of 50 in USA how many percent is that? And what does thst tell you? And those scientists you mentioned earlier have undergone years of training which an average MLS in Nigeria doesn't undergo. Please don't always compare a Fellow to an Academic PhD holder they don't follow similar career path. Your academic phD won't really give you much edge in a hospital. It comes in in research companies, and universities. Below is a comparison between the salary of an "AVERAGE" Pathologist and a laboratory scientists in the US u always ina hurry to bring in. And do the maths if they don't earn 3 times what a pathologist earn. Make well to go through that link i shared earlier too.

Happy Val

Oogway:

Email me, let's talk

Pm sent

Oogway:


Let's start from the bottom to top:
There's a very big difference between a phD and becoming a fellow, a PhD is purely academic and the later is Clinical. Still a phD laboratory scientists or an MLS.D holder doesn't come close to a pathologist in terms of pay. Need I remind you there's something called relativity in the health care sector. A doctor always earn a certain ratio of wage above other members of the health team including the scientists.
https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/ph-d-vs-m-d-in-pathology.124602/

That would do justice to your issue of a PhD laboratory scientists and a Pathologist

OK I believe if you had taken time out to read what I wrote you wouldn't quote me in a hurry. Yes I know there's a huge pay gap between both professionals and I told you it's fool hardy comparing the pay of a pathologist who is most times a consultant to a scientist (fresher). Like you have said a PhD scientist still has a not so huge pay difference from a pathologist neither am I disputing that. My point isn't who earns more than the other.
That said I know PhD is academics soon there will be a professional postgraduate diploma only until then will the comparison be meaningful.

www.nassnig.org/news/item/383
Read the second to the last paragraph that's where the POINT of interest lies.

Now to the issue of Those tests. You are always quick to run to US for facts. Which MLS carry out and interpret biopsy in Nigeria
And yes, Nigeria has done a Haematopoeic stem cell transplant and several other procedures

If you read well you will see the location I placed there where it's obtainable please do well and read again. Yes as regard a Nigerian who may have done Haemopoetic stem cell transplant, is it documented or a case of hear-say? If yes give me proof (I don't mean a Nigerian in the US oo)

In UCTH Pathologist specialising in MCB Carry out sensitivity test, I wonder who does it if not the doctor

This statement is going greatest of all lies I have heard this 2017. There's no where in UCTH, Pathologist (if they exist) in MCB do sensitivity testing on any sample same goes nationwide (your answer is as good as mine). If they are reading this your comment, they'd be so much disappointed in you as you have knowingly brought them down of their high horses.

At least you agree MLS don't do autopsy and forensic pathology. I'm not a pathologist so I won't know about several of those other test but I would confirm from my collegues at my spare time

Autopsy yes I agree with you but Forensic pathology / science I disagree with you. MLS do forensics too.

MLSCN Act 29(2)
includes medical microbiology, clinical chemistry, chemical pathology, haematology, blood transfusion science, virology, histopathology, histochemistry, immunology, cytogenetic, exfoliative cytology parasitology, forensic science, molecular biology etc as approved by the council

Hope that has put your question to rest?

Haematopoeic stem cell transplant isn't done by any doctor bro, they're several things that come into play before and after that process only a Haematologist in Nigeria carry out such. I can mention several other procedures that i do that you guys can't but since we talked about laboratory tests I would stick to the Psthology lab

What test do you want to call aside those done within my jurisdiction?

Finally, POCT. Bro, the Doctor is the head of the headcare team he decides which other professionals to add to his management plan after waying several factors. Time is a major fact in determining the application of POCT. Imagine a patient in hypoglycemic induced coma, would I wait for to fill a request form and all that? When would the results be out? The patient would die. Please note that a diagnosis isn't done in a laboratory but a laboratory only confirms a disnosis. And if it doesn't correspond to the doctors fears another test is ordered. So I don't see where incroachment comes in here

Same thing I said, you don't not read pls revisit my comment and read thoroughly everything you said is exactly what I said and I gave some exceptions as doing them is now a misplaced function.

A know of a Nigerian Haemotologist who has done a transplant in Nigeria he was one of my lecturer back in school. I don't wanna call his name for security reasons

For security reasons, keep the name. Those who have done transplant have their names published everywhere.

As for Wikipedia, yes sometimes it has errors and not everytime. Didn't you also see the picture from Yahoo answers. Only in 12 states that MLS operate independently out of 50 in USA how many percent is that? And what does thst tell you? And those scientists you mentioned earlier have undergone years of training which an average MLS in Nigeria doesn't undergo. Please don't always compare a Fellow to an Academic PhD holder they don't follow similar career path. Your academic phD won't really give you much edge in a hospital. It comes in in research companies, and universities. Below is a comparison between the salary of an "AVERAGE" Pathologist and a laboratory scientists in the US u always ina hurry to bring in. And do the maths if they don't earn 3 times what a pathologist earn. Make well to go through that link i shared earlier too.

Happy Val

Wish you same bro

N.B: If you want me to provide sources to my claims just ask

cowleg:
What a nice discussion, i was laughing real hard when Sct nelszx deal with the topic with real facts. I believe soon we will have lots and thousands of seasoned medical laboratory scientists with PHDs or even Professors.

Baba I greet you

nelszx:


OK I believe if you had taken time out to read what I wrote you wouldn't quote me in a hurry. Yes I know there's a huge pay gap between both professionals and I told you it's fool hardy comparing the pay of a pathologist who is most times a consultant to a scientist (fresher). Like you have said a PhD scientist still has a not so huge pay difference from a pathologist neither am I disputing that. My point isn't who earns more than the other.
That said I know PhD is academics soon there will be a professional postgraduate diploma only until then will the comparison be meaningful.

www.nassnig.org/news/item/383
Read the second to the last paragraph that's where the POINT of interest lies.



If you read well you will see the location I placed there where it's obtainable please do well and read again. Yes as regard a Nigerian who may have done Haemopoetic stem cell transplant, is it documented or a case of hear-say? If yes give me proof (I don't mean a Nigerian in the US oo)



This statement is going greatest of all lies I have heard this 2017. There's no where in UCTH, Pathologist (if they exist) in MCB do sensitivity testing on any sample same goes nationwide (your answer is as good as mine). If they are reading this your comment, they'd be so much disappointed in you as you have knowingly brought them down of their high horses.



Autopsy yes I agree with you but Forensic pathology / science I disagree with you. MLS do forensics too.

MLSCN Act 29(2)
includes medical microbiology, clinical chemistry, chemical pathology, haematology, blood transfusion science, virology, histopathology, histochemistry, immunology, cytogenetic, exfoliative cytology parasitology, forensic science, molecular biology etc as approved by the council

Hope that has put your question to rest?



What test do you want to call aside those done within my jurisdiction?



Same thing I said, you don't not read pls revisit my comment and read thoroughly everything you said is exactly what I said and I gave some exceptions as doing them is now a misplaced function.



For security reasons, keep the name. Those who have done transplant have their names published everywhere.



Wish you same bro

N.B: If you want me to provide sources to my claims just ask

Lolz, you make me laugh bro.

1st what do you understand by the word AVERAGE, i put it in bold. I can't compare a consultant to a fresh scientist. In doing comparism you compare similar category likes for likes. That's why i used the word AVERAGE, In US the top earning pathologist earn in 500hundreds. I used an average Pathologist and an Average Scientist. I won't do justice to MLS or MBBCH if i compare a fresher with a fellow bro. Understand the word Average. Your page isn't opening. Also understand the word Relativity is the watch word. I doctor always earn a certain ratio above other health workers in any health institutions if they're on same level. In US the ratio is wider. It was the same relativity NMA talked about when JOHESU started skipping and Doctors demanded to skip and they said we didn't want them to progress. Lolz. If the skipping was enjoyed by one part Relativity would be broken. But that's for another day. Hope this rests that case. In USA MLS weda PhD or Bsc don't come close to Pathologist of similar cadre in terms of Pay


2.) Once again you carefully skipped the question? Which Scientist in Nigeria carry out and inteprete a biopsy, you guys like the Advance Histopathological skills forget that General pathology and the Brief systemic pathology you did isn't enough

3.) In UCTH a set of twins I vitro fertilization was infected by a certain mutated strain of microbe that was resistant to the regular antibiotics. The pathologist had to carry out various sensitivity tests to figure out the type of antibiotic combination that would suppress that microbe. One of the babies survived and today she's 5years old. Even in pharmaceutical companies doctors carry out and supervise the effects of Drugs (antibiotics, etc) on microbial organisms, rodents and then mammals or test the effects of an antibiotic (new drug) on an organisms. Bros you didn't answer my question. If doctors don't carry out sensitivity tests who does MLS?

3.)Atleast you agree with me on AUTOPSY, as for forensic pathology in Nigeria what do you really do?

4.) They're over a million and 1 treatments, a doctor ccan diagnose, treat and manage without a laboratory. Bro you don't wanna go there. That's my field.
A.) Hynia
B.) Subdural Haemorhage
C.) Caesarean sections
D.) Stroke. I can go on and on.

5.) From what I understand from your earlier statement besides Glucometer everyother POCT is quackery now you refuting your claim. Bro need I remind you that POCT and the use of all those devices I mentioned earlier are standard practices recommended by WHO unless the standard health body of the world is a Quack As for the question what does the doctor do after those test. Once he confirms his diagnosis he commends treatment ( that's what happens next)

6.) His name is Dr. Iheanachu ( a haematologist) in a hospital in Lagos.

nelszx:


OK I believe if you had taken time out to read what I wrote you wouldn't quote me in a hurry. Yes I know there's a huge pay gap between both professionals and I told you it's fool hardy comparing the pay of a pathologist who is most times a consultant to a scientist (fresher). Like you have said a PhD scientist still has a not so huge pay difference from a pathologist neither am I disputing that. My point isn't who earns more than the other.
That said I know PhD is academics soon there will be a professional postgraduate diploma only until then will the comparison be meaningful.

www.nassnig.org/news/item/383
Read the second to the last paragraph that's where the POINT of interest lies.



If you read well you will see the location I placed there where it's obtainable please do well and read again. Yes as regard a Nigerian who may have done Haemopoetic stem cell transplant, is it documented or a case of hear-say? If yes give me proof (I don't mean a Nigerian in the US oo)



This statement is going greatest of all lies I have heard this 2017. There's no where in UCTH, Pathologist (if they exist) in MCB do sensitivity testing on any sample same goes nationwide (your answer is as good as mine). If they are reading this your comment, they'd be so much disappointed in you as you have knowingly brought them down of their high horses.



Autopsy yes I agree with you but Forensic pathology / science I disagree with you. MLS do forensics too.

MLSCN Act 29(2)
includes medical microbiology, clinical chemistry, chemical pathology, haematology, blood transfusion science, virology, histopathology, histochemistry, immunology, cytogenetic, exfoliative cytology parasitology, forensic science, molecular biology etc as approved by the council

Hope that has put your question to rest?



What test do you want to call aside those done within my jurisdiction?



Same thing I said, you don't not read pls revisit my comment and read thoroughly everything you said is exactly what I said and I gave some exceptions as doing them is now a misplaced function.



For security reasons, keep the name. Those who have done transplant have their names published everywhere.



Wish you same bro

N.B: If you want me to provide sources to my claims just ask

Lolz, you make me laugh bro.

1st what do you understand by the word AVERAGE, i put it in bold. I can't compare a consultant to a fresh scientist. In doing comparism you compare similar category likes for likes. That's why i used the word AVERAGE, In US the top earning pathologist earn in 500hundreds. I used an average Pathologist and an Average Scientist. I won't do justice to MLS or MBBCH if i compare a fresher with a fellow bro. Understand the word Average. Your page isn't opening. Also understand the word Relativity is the watch word. I doctor always earn a certain ratio above other health workers in any health institutions if they're on same level. In US the ratio is wider. It was the same relativity NMA talked about when JOHESU started skipping and Doctors demanded to skip and they said we didn't want them to progress. Lolz. If the skipping was enjoyed by one part Relativity would be broken. But that's for another day. Hope this rests that case. In USA MLS weda PhD or Bsc don't come close to Pathologist of similar cadre in terms of Pay


2.) Once again you carefully skipped the question? Which Scientist in Nigeria carry out and inteprete a biopsy, you guys like the Advance Histopathological skills forget that General pathology and the Brief systemic pathology you did isn't enough

3.) In UCTH a set of twins I vitro fertilization was infected by a certain mutated strain of microbe that was resistant to the regular antibiotics. The pathologist had to carry out various sensitivity tests to figure out the type of antibiotic combination that would suppress that microbe. One of the babies survived and today she's 5years old. Even in pharmaceutical companies doctors carry out and supervise the effects of Drugs (antibiotics, etc) on microbial organisms, rodents and then mammals or test the effects of an antibiotic (new drug) on an organisms. Bros you didn't answer my question. If doctors don't carry out sensitivity tests who does MLS?

3.)Atleast you agree with me on AUTOPSY, as for forensic pathology in Nigeria what do you really do?

4.) They're over a million and 1 treatments, a doctor ccan diagnose, treat and manage without a laboratory. Bro you don't wanna go there. That's my field.
A.) Hynia
B.) Subdural Haemorhage
C.) Caesarean sections
D.) Stroke. I can go on and on.

5.) From what I understand from your earlier statement besides Glucometer everyother POCT is quackery now you refuting your claim. Bro need I remind you that POCT and the use of all those devices I mentioned earlier are standard practices recommended by WHO unless the standard health body of the world is a Quack As for the question what does the doctor do after those test. Once he confirms his diagnosis he commends treatment ( that's what happens next)

6.) His name is Dr. Iheanachu ( a haematologist) in a hospital in Lagos. .

nelszx:


Baba I greet you

I've read it. It's a bill to establish a post graduate program for MLS. It's a laudable feet if gotten. It'll put for better trained scientists and over all increasing the welfare of a Patient. I like that.

PS becoming a fellow of your post graduate program doesn't make you a consultant in a hospital setting. Anyone can be a consultant but in a hospital setting Hospital consultant refers to the relationship between a Doctor and patient. As no country in this world thst I know of Employs MLS as a consultant in a Hospital setting.

The US even makes it easier ( As you commonly refer to). As it prevents the use of that title ambiqously. An "ATTENDING" physician is the US equivalent of a MEDICAL CONSULTANT in UK. And I have never heard of any such thing as Attending scientists. Just wanted to get that off the record before you start bringing thst in and asking for same pay as a Medical consultant. But I have 1 question. What use would a fellowship program in MLS provide to the patient ??

I tried googling Attending Scientist and nothing came up

Oogway:



Lolz, you make me laugh bro.

1st what do you understand by the word AVERAGE, i put it in bold. I can't compare a consultant to a fresh scientist. In doing comparism you compare similar category likes for likes. That's why i used the word AVERAGE, In US the top earning pathologist earn in 500hundreds. I used an average Pathologist and an Average Scientist. I won't do justice to MLS or MBBCH if i compare a fresher with a fellow bro. Understand the word Average. Your page isn't opening. Also understand the word Relativity is the watch word. I doctor always earn a certain ratio above other health workers in any health institutions if they're on same level. In US the ratio is wider. It was the same relativity NMA talked about when JOHESU started skipping and Doctors demanded to skip and they said we didn't want them to progress. Lolz. If the skipping was enjoyed by one part Relativity would be broken. But that's for another day. Hope this rests that case. In USA MLS weda PhD or Bsc don't come close to Pathologist of similar cadre in terms of Pay

I'm not and I haven't compared both salaries if only you had read my comment with an open head you'd have seen that has been spelt out #settled

2.) Once again you carefully skipped the question? Which Scientist in Nigeria carry out and inteprete a biopsy, you guys like the Advance Histopathological skills forget that General pathology and the Brief systemic pathology you did isn't enough

In Nigeria, very few of them can not everyone especially those with bias in Histopathology (very sizeable amount). I have told you where you can see where this is practiced and you are still bringing me back to it.
It takes an advanced training on it to interpret histopathology slides the reason RCPATH is training scientists in that. We don't have such in Nigeria do we? But very soon we will

3.) In UCTH a set of twins I vitro fertilization was infected by a certain mutated strain of microbe that was resistant to the regular antibiotics. The pathologist had to carry out various sensitivity tests to figure out the type of antibiotic combination that would suppress that microbe. One of the babies survived and today she's 5years old. Even in pharmaceutical companies doctors carry out and supervise the effects of Drugs (antibiotics, etc) on microbial organisms, rodents and then mammals or test the effects of an antibiotic (new drug) on an organisms. Bros you didn't answer my question. If doctors don't carry out sensitivity tests who does MLS?

Bros I'm repeating it again pathologists don't do sensitivity testing. If the organisms are resistant, there are other methods one can incorporate any other antibiotics into a disc this is prepared locally by even technicians can prepare that. There are other tests as MIC and MBC,D or E-test to look for suitable antibiotics to kill the bacterium.
I even did that in training and should there be need for that the requesting physician will specify and it's taken to the lab and the MLS does it not any pathologist.
The incorporated local disk has to do with other antibiotics aside the commercially prepared ones. That is done by MLS with bias in Medical Microbiology and Parasitology brother.
Tell that guy to tell you the truth there's something he hasn't told you yet. I even doubt you know the concept behind an antibiogram hence you wouldn't have been saying all these lies you are spewing.
My brother go anywhere in the world, Antibiogram is done by MLS not pathologist.

3.)Atleast you agree with me on AUTOPSY, as for forensic pathology in Nigeria what do you really do?

Go to NPF Forensic laboratory and other NGOs, ask them that cos that's basically where they are in (forensic unit) though it cohabit both doctors and scientists. I showed you forensics is practiced by MLS in Nigeria and you are asking me what do they do.
Soon you will tell me toxicology and drug abuse studies isn't done by MLS

4.) They're over a million and 1 treatments, a doctor ccan diagnose, treat and manage without a laboratory. Bro you don't wanna go there. That's my field.
A.) Hynia
B.) Subdural Haemorhage
C.) Caesarean sections
D.) Stroke. I can go on and on.

Hernia doesn't necessarily need a laboratory work it's more of radiography + physical examination by the physician but a blood work can still be done though not of importance (FBC and Coagulation studies)

Subdura haematoma still has more imaging studies than laboratory but still the CSF can be examined for bloody or xanthochromic fluid + CSF protein

Cesarean section not necessarily a MLS thing (as it is solely for surgeons and MLS aren't one lol) but for a successful one, samples are sent to the lab for GXM and PCV just as a backup to the surgery should anything go wrong

Stroke still can be assessed by physical examination by the physician but still there are laboratory tests for confirmation INR,PT (prothrombin time) for rule outs.

5.) From what I understand from your earlier statement besides Glucometer everyother POCT is quackery now you refuting your claim. Bro need I remind you that POCT and the use of all those devices I mentioned earlier are standard practices recommended by WHO unless the standard health body of the world is a Quack As for the question what does the doctor do after those test. Once he confirms his diagnosis he commends treatment ( that's what happens next)

Well done and I still maintained my stance on glucometer (It's allowed) as for others you mentioned they aren't of any emergency as thus seen as misplaced job function. What is the aim of using a urinalysis strip for when the microscopy part is missing (or is microscope now POCT device?)

6.) His name is Dr. Iheanachu ( a haematologist) in a hospital in Lagos.

My regards to him, tell him I said WELL DONE

Oogway:




I've read it. It's a bill to establish a post graduate program for MLS. It's a laudable feet if gotten. It'll put for better trained scientists and over all increasing the welfare of a Patient. I like that.

It's a step in the right direction actually though your brothers tried to scuttle the whole thing but failed.
https://www.nairaland.com/1814656/nma-plans-scuttle-other-health

PS becoming a fellow of your post graduate program doesn't make you a consultant in a hospital setting. Anyone can be a consultant but in a hospital setting Hospital consultant refers to the relationship between a Doctor and patient.

As no country in this world thst I know of Employs MLS as a consultant in a Hospital setting

Always say what you know....It exists in the United Kingdom


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKhskzCHY0I

The US even makes it easier ( As you commonly refer to). As it prevents the use of that title ambiqously. An "ATTENDING" physician is the US equivalent of a MEDICAL CONSULTANT in UK. And I have never heard of any such thing as Attending scientists. Just wanted to get that off the record before you start bringing thst in and asking for same pay as a Medical consultant. But I have 1 question. What use would a fellowship program in MLS provide to the patient ??

Wait till then but why ask me when you have already answered the question in your write up. For does a professional fellowship offer if not for specialised training in certain aspects for the overall welfare of our patients or of what use is a doctors fellowship to her patients?

I tried googling Attending Scientist and nothing came up

This is when you leave the matter on ground to chase trivialities. #So sad

My brother I'm done here, if you have other issues please write to FG to shutdown MLSCN and scrap MLS but until then make I rest. Concentrate on your medicine and leave MLS for us (live and let others live).

The sky is big enough to accommodate every bird

nelszx:
My brother I'm done here, if you have other issues please write to FG to shutdown MLSCN and scrap MLS but until then make I rest. Concentrate on your medicine and leave MLS for us (live and let others live).

The sky is big enough to accommodate every bird

Brother, you have done justice to the topic, you provided more facts and detailed argument to the topic. The OP intentions is obvious, he lacks in depth knowledge of MLS as a profession rather his intent is to degrade MLS as profession. Its a known fact that junior doctors have this phobia for other health profession, they are filled with ego, superior domination of others. I did my internship in UCTH I have never seen any doctor be it resident or consultant working in the laboratory. Doctors do not assay antibiotic sensitivity of routine samples. Rather the consultants work hand in hand with senior scientist. I have seen cases consultants writing to chief scientist to help them arrive at definite diagnosis, such as a case of meningitis, it was the chief scientist that rule out pyogenic bacteria meningitis to arrive at viral meningitis.

cowleg:


Brother, you have done justice to the topic, you provided more facts and detailed argument to the topic. The OP intentions is obvious, he lacks in depth knowledge of MLS as a profession rather his intent is to degrade MLS as profession. Its a known fact that junior doctors have this phobia for other health profession, they are filled with ego, superior domination of others. I did my internship in UCTH I have never seen any doctor be it resident or consultant working in the laboratory. Doctors do not assay antibiotic sensitivity of routine samples. Rather the consultants work hand in hand with senior scientist. I have seen cases consultants writing to chief scientist to help them arrive at definite diagnosis, such as a case of meningitis, it was the chief scientist that rule out pyogenic bacteria meningitis to arrive at viral meningitis.

You said you have never seen a resident or consultant working in the laboratory, you even said it was a scientist that helped a doctor rule out pyogenic meningitis from.viral meningitis.....

Guy stop lying nah, it's not good for your body.....

cowleg:


Brother, you have done justice to the topic, you provided more facts and detailed argument to the topic. The OP intentions is obvious, he lacks in depth knowledge of MLS as a profession rather his intent is to degrade MLS as profession. Its a known fact that junior doctors have this phobia for other health profession, they are filled with ego, superior domination of others. I did my internship in UCTH I have never seen any doctor be it resident or consultant working in the laboratory. Doctors do not assay antibiotic sensitivity of routine samples. Rather the consultants work hand in hand with senior scientist. I have seen cases consultants writing to chief scientist to help them arrive at definite diagnosis, such as a case of meningitis, it was the chief scientist that rule out pyogenic bacteria meningitis to arrive at viral meningitis.

Don't mind the guy, he has nothing else to say he started chasing triviality. I asked someone in UCTH about his claim and her answer was she has never seen any pathologist in the lab let alone doing an antibiogram (maybe his UCTH Pathologist is a chronic liar, that's if he exists and not from the figment of his imagination). He's telling me clinical skills to carry out test (imagine). Maybe to him we look like secondary school certificate holder; to every tests I conduct I know the CLINICAL significance of all and I can interpret all my result that's the difference between us and the wannabes who can't differentiate a pathogen from a commensal or those who can't differentiate fasting plasma glucose from fasting blood glucose (they know themselves) yet they claim to have same training as MLS (insult of 21st century).

God help us

Lagusta:


You said you have never seen a resident or consultant working in the laboratory, you even said it was a scientist that helped a doctor rule out pyogenic meningitis from.viral meningitis.....

Guy stop lying nah, it's not good for your body.....

If there are counter claims to his "lies" please bring it forward. Cos I just asked another person who did internship there and yet she didn't say otherwise.

To every "lies" there's always an atom of truth till otherwise proven

nelszx:


It's a step in the right direction actually though your brothers tried to scuttle the whole thing but failed.
https://www.nairaland.com/1814656/nma-plans-scuttle-other-health



Always say what you know....It exists in the United Kingdom


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKhskzCHY0I



Wait till then but why ask me when you have already answered the question in your write up. For does a professional fellowship offer if not for specialised training in certain aspects for the overall welfare of our patients or of what use is a doctors fellowship to her patients?



This is when you leave the matter on ground to chase trivialities. #So sad

Bros, remember when I said anyone can be a consultant, but in a hospital setting the consultancy status refers to the relationship between a patient and a doctor. As for US they use Attending physician. Also your cheap claims of trying to add a lab test to medical procedures that doesn't require 1 is very hilarious. Bros abeg as you type those stuffs e no funny you??

Oogway:


Bros, remember when I said anyone can be a consultant, but in a hospital setting the consultancy status refers to the relationship between a patient and a doctor. As for US they use Attending physician

Wetin concern me with US I gave you the UK where it exists and you are telling me balderdash. Need I tell you the NHS is in charge of that and where else do they exist if not in a hospital setting.
https://www.prospects.ac.uk/job-profiles/biomedical-scientist
(check under salary, they exist)

https://www.rcpath.org/resourceLibrary/guidance-on-appointment-of-consultant-clinical-scientists-in-uk.html
(download and read through)

Also your cheap claims of trying to add a lab test to medical procedures that doesn't require 1 is very hilarious. Bros abeg as you type those stuffs e no funny you??

Do you have comprehension problem or you have just refused to read. Please read with an open head and not just counter.I type in the Queens English not afrikaan. Quote me if those tests procedure are wrong for each and I will know what to answer you with references even from the books you read

4.) They're over a million and 1 treatments, a doctor ccan diagnose, treat and manage without a laboratory. Bro you don't wanna go there. That's my field
A.) Hynia
B.) Subdural Haemorhage
C.) Caesarean sections
D.) Stroke. I can go on and on.

Hernia doesn't necessarily need a laboratory work it's more of radiography + physical examination by the physician but a blood work can still be done though not of importance (FBC and Coagulation studies)

https://www.floridahospital.com/incisional-hernia/screening-and-tests

Subdura haematoma still has more imaging studies than laboratory but still the CSF can be examined for bloody or xanthochromic fluid + CSF protein

http://www.fpnotebook.com/mobile/Neuro/CV/SbdrlHmtm.htm
(check labs)

Cesarean section not necessarily a MLS thing (as it is solely for surgeons and MLS aren't one lol) but for a successful one, samples are sent to the lab for GXM and PCV just as a backup to the surgery should anything go wrong

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/263424-overview
(check preoperative management and under Preparations check laboratory tests)

Stroke still can be assessed by physical examination by the physician but still there are laboratory tests for confirmation INR,PT (prothrombin time) for rule outs.

http://www.everydayhealth.com/stroke/blood-tests-to-explain-stroke.aspx

P.S: This is the reason Nigeria health system is ranked 187/191 (what do you learn in CMEs). Please read my quoted points carefully and comprehend if need be and as for my references feel free and educate yourself.

Lagusta:


You said you have never seen a resident or consultant working in the laboratory, you even said it was a scientist that helped a doctor rule out pyogenic meningitis from.viral meningitis.....

Guy stop lying nah, it's not good for your body.....

OK just my observation.