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Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:04am On Feb 16, 2017 |
Roman Catholic Group Requests 'Pope Francis' Refer to Mary as 'Co-Redemptrix With Jesus' 2 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by ayaside(m): 5:16am On Feb 16, 2017 |
They trying to confuse themselves again... 2 Likes |
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by orunto27: 5:47am On Feb 16, 2017 |
Confusion in Trinity again. Under rating The Omnipotence of God and that Eve was formed from mere Ribs is fundamental to their differences with Islam. Women are mere Portal's Design. God is their Ladi KwalI. Mary is not a Redeemer. Jesus Christ, The Righteous, Lord God on Earth, Himself established The Offices of Eve, Mrs JOB and Holy Mary, The Mother of our Lord. The Three are one and the same in The Hands of God. They are essentially made to reproduce but not to redeem anything. God redeems and resurrects at His Pleasure and Ratings. God became Man. Yes. But Man can only become God when he accepts Jesus as LORD, The Savior and his Redeemer. |
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by chiedu7: 5:54am On Feb 16, 2017 |
The bible is clear that their is ONE mediator between Man and God, that's Jesus. So if there is ONE NOT TWO where does mary fit in? 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; The catholics have come with their philosophy that the bible rejects Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 3 Likes |
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by DjAndroid: 6:02am On Feb 16, 2017 |
The Holy Bible should be the Christians' guide not their assumptions. Very soon, the song will change to "Holy Mary, Forgive their sins" 4 Likes |
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Alexk2(m): 6:02am On Feb 16, 2017 |
That's idolatry and no longer Christianity. Sometimes I wonder if some people read their Bible at all before coming out with such strange idea. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by olaric(m): 7:03am On Feb 16, 2017 |
Always maintained that the Roman Catholic Church is a cult and not a true Church of God. 2 Likes |
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by donnie(m): 9:53am On Feb 16, 2017 |
Abomination 1 Like |
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by donnie(m): 9:57am On Feb 16, 2017 |
Alexk2:They regard "church tradition" more highly than the scriptures. Mary wasn't conceived without sin. That's an outright lie. 1 Like |
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by donnie(m): 10:04am On Feb 16, 2017 |
DjAndroid: They will say ordinary men wrote the scriptures and it is neither the only source of truth nor is it absolute truth, thereby giving room for more deception. |
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Ubenedictus(m): 12:44pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
Mary is co-redemptorist, that is historic christian teaching. What does that mean? It simply means that in an inferior manner she participated in the salvation of the world by voluntarily agreeing to bring forth for us our saviour, Jesus Christ who accomplished our salvation completely, totally and per excellence. Jesus our saviour didnt fall from heaven someone had to co-operate with God so we all may be redeemed, this contribution is small and inferior but it is a contribution nonetheless and Mary is that person who made it. She made a contribution for my salvation, for your salvation, for our redemption. We cant sweep that truth away as if it didnt happen. You don't need to be catholic to admit the truth that my her obedience to God, she contributed, though in an inferior manner to the world's redemption. That much is scattered in the gospel, in the writting of the early christians and the historic judgement of the church. 3 Likes |
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Ubenedictus(m): 12:53pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
Please don't lie about catholic just because you want to make a point. abeg, na sin. donnie:* men wrote scripture and that is true but catholic are very quick to add that they wrote it under the inspiration of the holy spirit. Scripture is spirit breathed and so it is inerrant and a primary source of Divine revelation. Even so scripture doesnt claim to be the ONLY source of revelation, it contains objective truth but it doesn't claim to sufficiently expound all truths that God has revealed. That isnt deception it is fact. 5 Likes |
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Ubenedictus(m): 1:02pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
donnie:that is a strawman you are making. Where does the catholic church say that 'church' tradition is to be regarded above scripture? 4 Likes |
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Ubenedictus(m): 1:05pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
olaric:it is the cult that compiled your new testament which means your bible is a cult book. Ur 'church' all came from the cult after adopting the book she compiled, i guess that make u guys minor or smaller cult. 5 Likes |
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Ubenedictus(m): 1:08pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
Alexk2:so it is idolatry to state that in an inferior way mary contributed to our redemption by voluntarily cooperating with God to bring forth our redeemer? Abeg do u even know the meaning of idolatry or are you just throwing fancy words around? 1 Like |
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Ubenedictus(m): 1:10pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
DjAndroid:And ur bible doesnt tell u that mary voluntarily cooperated to birth our redeemer? 2 Likes |
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Ubenedictus(m): 1:11pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
chiedu7:Weytin concern mediator and mary as co-redemptorist. 2 Likes |
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:26pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
Ubenedictus: "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (1 Timothy 2:5). Jesus is the only way to God. No long story. 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Ubenedictus(m): 1:56pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
OLAADEGBU:This is a stawman. what concern the fact that mary cooperated voluntarily in the salvation of humanity with the fact that Jesus is the ONE mediator within whom all xtians offer up intercessions? two different topics, ur quote isnt relevant here unless u can find a quote that says 'no human participated in anyway in our redemption'. 4 Likes |
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Syncan(m): 2:23pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
"The philosophical and theological meaning of 'participation' includes the understanding of an inferior being 'taking part in' (partem capere) the perfections or qualities of a superior being," it outlines. "Thus, Mary’s participation in the redemption of Christ in no way diminishes His perfect divine redemption, but rather in a human feminine and maternal expression, partakes in its divine power and efficacy." Go school, person no go go, agree say you no know...mba! "...As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction" 2 Pet.3:16 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:26pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
Ubenedictus: Only One Person is both God and man and that is the man Christ Jesus. He is the only One who could mediate between men and our Creator God. He is the only way to God and our only true Advocate with the Father (See 1 Timothy 2:5; John 14:6; 1 John 2:1-2 for details). 1 Like 3 Shares
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Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:34pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
Syncan: "Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus" (Acts 4:13). Depending on what kind of schooling you are on about. Peter and John were also accused on being unlearned and ignorant men but being with Jesus yielded them greater wisdom and courage than the religious folks of their days. They also lived happier and more productive lives than the kind of your kind of education would grant you. |
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Syncan(m): 2:39pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
OLAADEGBU: Hahahahaha, Jesus was the wisest of all Rabbis, His students cannot be called unlearned in his own teaching, that's what they realized..."and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus". Note that it was Peter who you erroneously claim to be unlearned that wrote 2Pet.3:16. You can quarrel with Peter all you want. 1 Like |
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by chiedu7: 2:50pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
Ubenedictus: For you to redeem you need to first mediate and ascertain the problem, If not you wont know what to redeem. Now How can mary redeem anybody please? |
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:53pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
Syncan: Your kind of education will twist the scripture I quoted just as you have just done. According to the verse I quoted which you misrepresented, misconstrued and misapplied was referring to the men accusing Peter and John of being uneducated and ignorant just as you did to me by saying I don't go to school. The men accusing Peter and John also had "great learning" but could not be compared with the "unlearned and ignorant" disciples of Christ who had great wisdom and courage and live more happier and productive lives than the accusers. |
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Ubenedictus(m): 3:55pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
chiedu7:Mary didnt redeemed she co-redeem that means she cooperated with the plan of redemption by voluntarily bearing the redeemer. To coredeem all you need to do is participate in the work of the redeemer. I explained this earlier i am suprised u confuse between coredemptorist and unique mediatorship. |
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Ubenedictus(m): 4:13pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
OLAADEGBU:NoN seqitur. another straw man arguement. |
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Syncan(m): 4:30pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
OLAADEGBU: Chai, poor ola, even my own writings-were i speak of things easy to understand-you still wrest unto your own unhappiness. 2 Likes |
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Ubenedictus(m): 6:26pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
Syncan:Syncan y u dey bully ola. he is already crying victim. 2 Likes |
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by chiedu7: 6:28pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
Ubenedictus: See how you Catholics mess up the gospel of Jesus. How on earth did Mary co-redeem please? How can see co-redeem when Jesus said that she does not want Him Jesus to do His Fathers business. Which means Mary was not helping at all let alone co-redeeming. Remember when Jesus was small and stayed back at Jerusalem to discuss at the temple, remember what Mary said to Jesus & Jesus's reply? Luke 2 43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it. 46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. 48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. 49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business? 50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them. Again when Jesus was preaching, if Mary was co-redeeming why was she not listening to Jesus? Why did she come to pull Jesus away from preaching? Also notice Jesus's reply starts with BUT, showing you that Mary was not with Jesus's plan. Matthew 12 (KJV) 47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. 48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? Again we can see that when Jesus performed His first miracle, Jesus asked Mary, "WHAT IS MY BUSINESS WITH THEE"? If She has no business with Jesus, how can see be a co-redeemer? John 2 (KJV) 3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine. 4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come. So please explain to me from the bible, how on earth that Mary is a co-redeemer please when the she did not understand what Jesus came to do? 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Ubenedictus(m): 7:58pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
We are talking about mary voluntarily cooperating in bring forth our redeemer someone is talk about the finding of Jesus in the temple. does the later nulify the former? the mary sin by looking for her 12yr old son so that the protestants of today now claim that she didnt cooperate with GOD'S plan. may God save us from silly talk. 1 Like |
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by donnie(m): 8:29pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
Ubenedictus: And that is the lie in Catholicism I'm trying to point out. That's their basis for sneaking in false doctrines as it suits them. I mean how else would they even consider such falsehood as made in this their request to pope Francis if they didnt first assume that the truth isn't absolute? Jesus is coming soon, all such liars will be judged. 5 Likes |
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