noetic15:

there is a lot of sense in the pro-tithing argument too.

noetic15:
tithing remains an optional thing

noetic15:

but every xtian must be financially commited to the spread of the gospel.

TV01:

Sorry sir, doctrine is not dereived on a "makes sense" basis or based on a "strong argument" - be that on the seeming merits of the case, or the force with which it is made.

At best. But if properly understood, one would realise it misses the point - so much so as to be pointless.

Perhaps one of the biggest errors/untruths in Christendom. The gospel does not require money to spread. Although, religious - or any - organisations require money in order to survive, grow and dominate.

Needless to say, the error above is to a great extent supported by and tied too the deceptive teaching around tithing.

God bless
TV

KunleOshob:

It is clear that any pastor that twists/manipulate scripture is fake, hence any pastor that preaches the false and herectically greedy doctrine of compulasry tithing must most definitely be a FAKE.

noetic15:

is this a joke or what?
cant u see that u are pushing this tithing thing too far? . . , . . . . . . , there is a lot of sense in the pro-tithing argument too. tithing remains an optional thing. . .but every xtian must be financially commited to the spread of the gospel.

KunleOshob:

i do agree that a lot of distortions exist today in christianity, but that is not to say that the true teachings of christ as been lost or should not be upheld. That is why you see some of us standing up to fight for the faith and being accused by brethen of being anti-christ just becos we speak against the heresies going on in most churches today.

noetic15:

is this a joke or what?
cant u see that u are pushing this tithing thing too far? . . , . . . . . . , there is a lot of sense in the pro-tithing argument too. tithing remains an optional thing. . .but every xtian must be financially commited to the spread of the gospel.

Explosive:

@Tonye t. Am not kunle or wat is his name. Did u read d passages i gave u. Ok, if obama doesn't tally wit d scriptures, then who is d beast that came 4rm d earth. Every one here said wat their view was, even if any1 is wrong, u shuldnt make it out like an argument. U protray your view agressive like. U[b] hadno rite 2 call me a false christian[/b] . This is my view, i wasnt forcing u 2 blif. U still havnt answerd my question. By d way its pillar of fire not flame of fire- u shuld know dat. In rev, woman means a church. It a book of symbols.

goosh, i think i have just found myself another KunleOshod - peeps who just lift passages and make baseless ascertions, lest u misinform peeps here let me correct your wrong assumption

Horus:

All pastor are FAKE, they carry with them a FAKE book called The Bible and The Bible is the first pornographic book in history.

noetic15:

This is irrelevantly dogmatic. Tithing is biblical. . . , and there are also biblical precedents. The bone of contention is whether or not tithing is a compulsory injunction.
No its not. . .but does that make tithing criminal. . .NO.

noetic15:

Tithing by Abraham reflects honour to God. is honouring God now a pointless venture?

noetic15:

You have no understanding of the inherent truths in xtianity or a relationship with God. There is nothing that u have that should be so scared for u, that u cannot honour God with.
That explains why God demanded Isaac for sacrifice and Abraham obliged.

noetic15:

Tithing remains optional. . . , but all saints MUST honour God with all that they have.

TV01:

Biblical meaning what? That it is contained within the scriptural narrative and therefore, acceptable, good or binding?
There are precedents for many things in the bible. Per your use of the word "Biblical" and my response above, what exactly is your point?

Their is no bone of contention. Tithing is not compulsory, but it is of course permissable. Little more than a cursory grasp of scripture will show that it is not a NT notion and rather pointless as a practise, superseeded as it were by something much more glorious.

Not sinful, not criminal, but at best lacking true insight. However the way it is sometimes peddled as compulsory with curses for failure to comply certainly is.

Before Abraham was, He was.
Another twist? Tithing is now a matter of honouring God? Biblical abi?

So a Christian relationship with God is about honouring Him with your worldly possessions?
So honour = tithing = Gods demand for sacrifice?

A compulsory 10% maybe a sacrifice, but it is not an honour to the almighty. An optional 10% may well be, but so would an optional 9% or 11%. As a one-off, frequently, infrequently. Can God be honoured without a tithe or without giving material things to Him?

Small, small. The saints of God, the disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ have nothing they call their own. As its all held in trust. Everything is His. As you learn to know, hear, and trust Him, you'll know where, when, to whom and on what to spend that entrusted in your care.

I pray you are not bound, either by compulsion or option. He came to set the captives free.

God bless
TV

TV01:

Their is no bone of contention. Tithing is not compulsory, but it is of course permissable.

TV01:
Little more than a cursory grasp of scripture will show that it is not a NT notion and rather pointless as a practise, superseeded as it were by something much more glorious.

did you say it was never a NT notion, whatever happened to Jesus' word in Matt.23:23, whatever happened to Paul's command in 1cor.16:2. hmmmm interesting! maybe a NT proof of yours will do. Pls also remember that even while the early church all inclined towards the edifice of the spiritual man (the liberated man), they also dwelt in man-made assemblies where widows, orphans, deacons, cleargies of all sorts and bishops and their needs were to be administered to.

TV01:
Not sinful, not criminal, but at best lacking true insight. However the way it is sometimes peddled as compulsory with curses for failure to comply certainly is

TV01:
Another twist? Tithing is now a matter of honouring God? Biblical abi

Tonye-t:

Mr.Noetic15,

Allow me to answer this bro (TV01) for you!.

If one should say such, therefore i stand to say that mercy is not compulsory, faithfulness aint compulsory likewise justice too, for the same LORD of the trio(mercy, justice, faithfulness)a command made the quad (tithe) a command too.

Matt.23:23 - " Practise mercy, practise faithfulness and again i say practise Justice and also do not neglect to practise tithe (hebrew-english paraphraased version)

Yeah though i do not believe in forcing peeps to keep God's word, but aint that scripture up here more of a command than a suggestion, for if you should say tithing aint compulsory then i'll mean you're saying tithing is only a suggestion. Remember God's words are commands!.

[font=trebuchet ms ] did you say it was never a NT notion, whatever happened to Jesus' word in Matt.23:23, whatever happened to Paul's command in 1cor.16:2. hmmmm interesting! maybe a NT proof of yours will do. Pls also remember that even while the early church all inclined towards the edifice of the spiritual man (the liberated man), they also dwelt in man-made assemblies where widows, orphans, deacons, cleargies of all sorts and bishops and their needs were to be administered to.[/font]

The curses for failure were all doneaway with the death of Jesus which fulfilled the law of Moses, for moses and his laws came with punishments for failure the law, while Jesus and the newness of his reign came with grace to help us keep God's law.

Mr.TV01 i stand to say YES, na wa o, how do christians even read there bibles sef. how else should one give God honor, let me teach you, your prayer, praise and worship, preaching, evangelism, living are only a quota of our honor to God, howbeit it is of Man's duty to give God honor with everything we are, we have, we can. let me quote a scripture to bring a rememberance to you

Prov 3:9-10

9 Honor the LORD with your wealth,
with the firstfruits of all your increase;

10 then your storehouse will be filled to overflowing,
and your vats will brim over with new wine. NIV


now TV01 doesnt this scripture sound like one way we can honour God is through giving him what we own? and lest you forget or maybe you've not read my thread on tithing, the practise of giving God our firstfruit is called "THE BIKKURIM MA'ASER" meaning giving God a portion of our firstfruit.

You can read more if you so mind. The relevance of Tithe

Explosive:

@Tonyet. He dat has an ear,
I said only in REVELATION church means a woman, u really dnt know anytin bout Obama, do u? U really havnt seen d pillar of fire and u really think wat my view 2 dis topic is wrong. Wat if am right, i wnt u 2 remember every word i have written here. By d way, u still havnt answrd my question, how many church ages are there. Infact, wat is a church age. U really are a nice debator. Will be waitin 4 your reply.

1. So how does the symbolic woman in relevation concerns the objective woman in Galatians whereever? sorry to say, but you seem too confused. one moment you're saying somethin and the next min. you're off da hook.

2. The only thing i know about OBAMA is that he is the first black president of the United states of America. who symbolically represent the PARADIGM SHIFT of the two nations who struggled in Rebecchar's womb. (different from what you thought right?)

3. Pillar of Fire i see in the night sky, the Pillar of cloud i see in the dawning morn. , and the last time i remembered Pillar of Fire, i was told it followed the Israelites from Egypt thru' the Jordan river. representing God's angelic presence. do you want a scripture?

4. Did you ask me the question about the CHURCH AGE. even a google to Wikipedia.org will answer the question, so why bother.

KunleOshob:

classical example of scriptural manipulation by a fake pastor

Ok, so stand up and challenge it, i dare you! or forever remain silent. i didnt say so, the jury did