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Re: Dollar Drops Below N400/$ For First Time In Seven Months by Sylva2147: 2:02pm On Mar 23, 2017 |
Infinitikoncept:well, you are entitle to your own opinion but I feel it's not every question you asked that is not being addressed perhaps you are yet to be enlightened about the said diversification. I want you to also know that I don't have any interest in any party or politics but I know that we are all humans therefore we should take our time and make some inquiry before conclusion. |
Re: Dollar Drops Below N400/$ For First Time In Seven Months by HAH: 2:12pm On Mar 23, 2017 |
LaEvilIMiss:Sister, you wrote as if Nigeria just dash out the dollars for free. Nigeria earns in dollars and when they wan to use the dollars earned to work on the infrastructures you mentioned they certainly need to change it to naira hence asking CBN to sell some so that contractors and salaries will be paid. Not everything earned is spent, that is why the foreign reserve grew from $25b to over $30B. As long as Nigeria earns in dollars and spend naira locally then it must change those dollars earned, and as long as oil is above $50 and there is peace in Niger delta if there is the political this policy can be sustained. Personally I wellcome a 50:50 between injection and reserve. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Dollar Drops Below N400/$ For First Time In Seven Months by Nobody: 2:13pm On Mar 23, 2017 |
Jetleeee:cooperate Abgero Twale baba |
Re: Dollar Drops Below N400/$ For First Time In Seven Months by jamesgordon: 2:34pm On Mar 23, 2017 |
tdayof: GTB still charges N320 for a limit of $100 per Month! A friend just got PTA at the rate of N330 for $4000 from the Bank! ... Who's being cheated? |
Re: Dollar Drops Below N400/$ For First Time In Seven Months by GoodFaith: 2:47pm On Mar 23, 2017 |
SuperS1Panther: I don't take side in issue like this Why did it take that long for the government to supply more dollars? What do you think of the price of oil ? , demand and supply OPEC? Base on the price of oil and the supply do think Nigeria government have that dollars to support demand in the long run? I don't think it is sustainable? When this new policy started about 6 month back I told friend Nigeria can't support it Get back at me in 3 months |
Re: Dollar Drops Below N400/$ For First Time In Seven Months by Nobody: 2:57pm On Mar 23, 2017 |
HAH: ..well don't say i told you so |
Re: Dollar Drops Below N400/$ For First Time In Seven Months by stoic6ix: 3:26pm On Mar 23, 2017 |
rattlesnake: No vex... U no knw say body dey pepe som pple now! God bless Nigeria!!! God bless Our President; and God bless Us too |
Re: Dollar Drops Below N400/$ For First Time In Seven Months by jesufifunmi: 4:05pm On Mar 23, 2017 |
jamesgordon:Hi, pls what bank did your friend get it from at 330? Other banks seem to still be selling at 375.pls 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Dollar Drops Below N400/$ For First Time In Seven Months by tuniski: 5:08pm On Mar 23, 2017 |
obailala:The longer your epistle the more lame it becomes. Bottomline and all factors considered, we never had it this bad as a nation! |
Re: Dollar Drops Below N400/$ For First Time In Seven Months by obailala(m): 5:39pm On Mar 23, 2017 |
tuniski:Lol... I challenge you to prove your intelligence by pointing out what exactly you think is lame in my long epistle? Simply stating that things are worse today than before without paying any attention or deliberately trying to ignore the underlying reasons, what reasoning could be lamer than that? Such shallow analysis is only expected and permitted from people who aren't privileged with an education or the gift of discernment, e.g. the uneducated okada man or market woman on the streets; its certainly not permitted from someone like you who I believe is educated and should be enlightened. 3 Likes |
Re: Dollar Drops Below N400/$ For First Time In Seven Months by Abagworo(m): 5:57pm On Mar 23, 2017 |
I'm not happy with this news. it will affect local production negatively. Dollar needs to hang around 600 Naira to boost local productivity. 1 Like |
Re: Dollar Drops Below N400/$ For First Time In Seven Months by Nusaf: 6:01pm On Mar 23, 2017 |
Jetleeee: 2 Likes
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Re: Dollar Drops Below N400/$ For First Time In Seven Months by tuniski: 9:42pm On Mar 23, 2017 |
obailala:Considering every undercurrent, nigeria is worst off today. And making it about oil price is lazy brain. Today, the oil price is Above budgeted benchmark and for most of last year it was equally higher. The drop in volume sale is 100% the fault of this administration. Again, this admin instead of paying subsidy like previous admins actually raised the pump price of petrol highest in record time. That done without a kobo increase in salaries and wages. I wonder how anyone will justify this. Mediocre govt as performing! |
Re: Dollar Drops Below N400/$ For First Time In Seven Months by doubleakins(m): 3:40am On Mar 24, 2017 |
Please enough of the grammar. Pls which banks still allows paypal with their MasterCard. Does Gt, FCMB, Diamond, Sterling, Heritage etc still accepts paypal. Pls urgent response needed. Thanks |
Re: Dollar Drops Below N400/$ For First Time In Seven Months by obailala(m): 4:25am On Mar 24, 2017 |
tuniski:Mr Man stop struggling.. I understand your desperation to disconnect the current situation from oil price so you can have a free bullet to fire at the govt, I understand your desperation to force a political explanation to a simple economic issue, but then, like I said earlier, you can only impress those same set of people I talked about (uneducated and undiscerning) with these your weak arguments; you will definitely also impress your band of fellow Jonathanians cos to you guys, you are still too emotionally driven amd you still dwell in 2015 election mood. 2 Likes |
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Re: Dollar Drops Below N400/$ For First Time In Seven Months by modath(f): 4:42am On Mar 24, 2017 |
jamesgordon: PTA is 375 per CBN's instruction..Which bank please? Can you snap a pic of the bank stamp as evidence? Thank you... doubleakins: Only 2 banks of the 20 something in the country allow card transactions of $100 limit ... 1 is GT which doesn't allow paypal, facebook ad etc, Access still does, give it a trial. |
Re: Dollar Drops Below N400/$ For First Time In Seven Months by modath(f): 4:52am On Mar 24, 2017 |
jesufifunmi: It's not other banks seem to be selling, it's CBN's approved rate... so will wait for the guy to show the 330 evidence...You know our people & alternative facts... 1 Like |
Re: Dollar Drops Below N400/$ For First Time In Seven Months by warrenweste(m): 9:49am On Mar 24, 2017 |
modath: i wonder the wonder bank he gt 330 everyone sells for 375...anyway will wait for his response to |
Re: Dollar Drops Below N400/$ For First Time In Seven Months by Nobody: 11:27am On Mar 24, 2017 |
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Re: Dollar Drops Below N400/$ For First Time In Seven Months by tuniski: 12:53pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
obailala:You are clearly drunk on the accidental victory of buhari in 2015 not to see that INEC has released election timetable for 2019. Whether it is economic or political issue, they are connected and can't be separated. Have u heard the term political-economy? To many apologists of this failed govt, u have all run out of defense aka blame game all u do is to use your emotional attachment in an attempt at reverse psychology! The naira has moved from currency to tissue paper and now newspaper and u are celebrating mediocrity. Let me ask you sef; what was the value of the naira when oil price was 12$ and below years gone even under OBJ with 3bn$ reserve, almost zero infrastructure. Abeg find a better response. |
Re: Dollar Drops Below N400/$ For First Time In Seven Months by obailala(m): 1:17pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
tuniski:Haha.. apologist kwa... I am an apologist for the truth. I challenged you earlier to point out what sentence in my previous writeup is not true and I'm still waiting. I have clearly pointed out the reason why the Naira depreciated seriously post 2015, I am still waiting for you to fault my explanation but because of your desperation to glorify your hero GEJ and vilify everyone else, you keep giving common sense economics a political explanation, albeit it in a ridiculous way. You asked the value of the naira when oil was $12 and the reserves $3billion?... If you want me to give you a comprehensive explanation to that, I can gladly do it after work hours. But I will give just a little explanation which I hope you are discerning enough to understand. The value of the naira is determined by the twin forces of demand and supply. The demand for dollars today is 20 times more than what it was in 1999. To start with, Nigeria imports virtually 100% of petroleum products today (very high forex demand) but this wasnt the case in 1999. Also, Nigeria's daily fuel consumption today is more than 5 times what it was in 1999 when we had less cars and when only relatively rich people had generators. Today every student has a small gen and that is more demand for fuel which we import with dollars. Furthermore, in 1999, Nigerians still used Nigerian made products, the import craze of today wasnt there in 1999. Unlike today when everybody holds an international mastercard or visa card in their pockets buying even handkerchiefs from china and Uk. In 1999, we didnt even have internet banking or ATM cards. Back then, only the rich who traveled abroad demanded dollars but that is clearly not the case today when every Haruna, Tunde and Emeka demands dollars to finance their tootpick needs. Let Nigeria stop importing fuel today, let Nigeria stop importing palm oil, rice etc today and I can assure you the Naira would appreciate to less than N100 to a dollar. I wouldnt even want to talk of the recurrent bill of the FG in 1999 compared to today. In summary, based on demand and supply forces, I can tell you for a fact that $3billion in the reserves in 1999 is equivalent to up to $45 billion in the reserves today. So my friend, once again, your analysis is baseless. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Dollar Drops Below N400/$ For First Time In Seven Months by tuniski: 1:28pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
obailala:Another epistle so lame! Demand and supply ko subsidy ni! Abeg find some better defense or better still keep deceiving the ignorant and emotionally attached apologists of this super failed govt. The dollar in 1999 in itself hasn't depreciated and I haven't done a naira analogy. So 3bn$ in 1999 is basically 3bn$ in 2017. That is why the dollar is official currency of the world : it's stability! |
Re: Dollar Drops Below N400/$ For First Time In Seven Months by 989900: 1:37pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
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Re: Dollar Drops Below N400/$ For First Time In Seven Months by obailala(m): 1:52pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
tuniski:The only ignorant one here is you bro... The value of money to an individual is dependent on his demand for goods or services #CommonSenseEconomics Naira is Naira but demand and supply determines the true value of the Naira to an individual. A single man may be comfortable earning N30k monthly, but after getting married and begetting 4 children, plus endless needs he has to meet from inlaws, he may need 300k monthly to live as comfortably as he was when he was single. In economic terms, we can say the 30k he earned when single is equivalent to the 300k he's earning when married #CommonSenseEconomics Similarly, if Nigeria only needed $100million for importation of the foreign products we needed in 1999, $3billion in the forex reserves in 1999 is far more valuable than $30billion in 2015 when we need a minimum of $2-3billion to finance our standard needs #CommonSenseEconomics So yes, dollars is dollars, but $3billion in 1999 is not same value as $30billion in 2015 because we now have far far higher demand for dollars. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Dollar Drops Below N400/$ For First Time In Seven Months by HAH: 2:42pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
modath: With the downward trend of the dollar in the parallel market it may sooner than later be at par with the bank offered rate of 375, then people will stop going to bank for pta they will go to BDC where there is no limit of exchange and no much documentation. Hope the CBN will reduce the official exchange rate of the naira to like 250, personally I believe the naira should hobo around 250 at this rate local producers will also gain as well as importers, the 250 is sort of equilibrium price |
Re: Dollar Drops Below N400/$ For First Time In Seven Months by modath(f): 2:51pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
HAH: Are you kidding? I am but a novice when it comes to economy ( only read & agree with the "experts" who have been proven right 75% of the time) but even I in my economic sub literacy know this is not possible with a less than $100 crude oil price!! Not in this lifetime & 7 more.. CBN is already spending like a drunk defending at this stage, 250? Hover at 250? Why do you think foreign investors ran away? Why do you think the sham "float" failed? Budget is 305, Interbank is 315, Embassies use 340 to calculate for visa fee, even oil marketers get @ 285 (50% though still resort to BDCs cos they don't all get), so where will the 250 factor? The reserves can only take so much!!! Bros, there is a limit to "propaganda" 989900 , stagger, LordAdam16, I think basic economic lesson is needed here... thx. 2 Likes |
Re: Dollar Drops Below N400/$ For First Time In Seven Months by HAH: 3:45pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
modath:is very simple dear, all the government need to do is continue with its interventions when it stabilizes they make it 50-50 between reserve and injection. Already hoarders are in panic they are also selling, there will soon be glut in the market, where supply exceed demand which will inturn lead to price depreciation, remember with a stable fx regime fdi will flow which I also in fx, and lastly remittances, this is another huge source of fx. Some people talk as if the CBN just give free dollars to bank, Nigeria earns in dollars from oil sales and we don't use dollar locally so the Government need naira to run the country therefore it needs to change this dollars earned to naira so the government must always change dollars to naira. Oil is just $50 imagine what will happen if it becomes a $70. About 70% of our dollar demand is for import of fuel rice and wheat, I with dangote refinary coming on board and and new drive in local rice and wheat production certainly dolla demand for for will drop by atleast 70% at this point there will even be excess dollars that may make the dollar to be even less than N200 but I government Should intervene via dollar mop up so so exporters will gain that I why I proposed proposed equilibrium price of N250 per dollar |
Re: Dollar Drops Below N400/$ For First Time In Seven Months by modath(f): 4:28pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
HAH: I'm only going to address 2 things & won't anymore... 1. 70$ oil is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, OPEC has done all it can & can do NO MORE, the cartel is barely keeping together... Oil is bouncing between 47-50$ now, & likely to go lower... Shale is coming back on stream now that oil price has gone up a bit.... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-22/tudor-pickering-holt-cuts-2018-crude-forecast-to-65-a-barrel http://oilprice.com/Energy/Oil-Prices/Goldman-Sachs-OPECs-Influence-On-Oil-Prices-Is-Dwindling.html http://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/OPEC-In-Trouble-As-Saudis-Becoming-Weary-Of-Free-Riders.html 2.. Less than 300n isn't going to happen... 989900 with all optimism tapped out @ 350!! Bros you need to read more so you can form independent thoughts and opinion... Like SLS, support for Bubu should NEVER blind one to the obvious... 2 Likes |
Re: Dollar Drops Below N400/$ For First Time In Seven Months by tuniski: 4:39pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
obailala:I was expecting in your insistent on demand and supply, u will at least acknowledge that our population wasn't 20m in 1999 and now 200m. Again that, the demand by purchasing power of citizens was actually an achievement not a burden. Yes, we have increased demand but so we have increased supply from diaspora remittances and FDI even export too. Again, we have had far higher volume sale of crude now than 1999. So when u try to skew the facts do understand that others will call u out. 1 Like |
Re: Dollar Drops Below N400/$ For First Time In Seven Months by HAH: 4:48pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
modath:I will bookmark this page and remind you when it happens, cheers |
Re: Dollar Drops Below N400/$ For First Time In Seven Months by obailala(m): 5:01pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
tuniski:Lol... Just give up already! You keep shooting yourself on the foot even more with your arguments. So you actually know our population has increased seriously?... You also know the wage bill (both minimum wage and number of people under govt employ) has increased monumentally since 1999? Yet you want to compare notes between 1999 and 2017? Stage 1: A man earns N20k monthly, he buys a plate of food for N30, but luckily he doesn't need to buy fuel because he refines them in his backyard. He struggles to survive. Stage 2: The man suddenly begins to earn N100k, wow! but then, a plate of food rises to N100 and he also stops refining his fuel but now 'buys' it. He still struggles to survive, But at least the world sees him wearing nice clothes and eating better food. Stage 3: The man still buys food for N100 and he still buys fuel cos he can't refine anymore, and then his income drops to less than 50k. He still wants the world to see him wearing nice clothes and eat good food. If the man struggled in Stage 2, do you think he would struggle in Stage 3 or not?... Enough of this your desperation to just give this a political explanation. This is common sense economics that even a JSS1 student should be able to discern. There is no basis to compare 1999 to 2017. ...and finally, even though I don't think this is relevant, Nigeria isn't selling more oil now than in 1999; average oil production in 1999 wasn't less than 2million bpd. 3 Likes 1 Share |
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