Ersan:


Lol! How are you sure its not the same person?

farouk0403:


Lols, They are not thesame.

Ersan:


Trust me fam, mad people all over this forum.

Myself included.

Heck, how are you sure they're not all me?

Ersan:


Lol! As far as nigeria goes everyone knows who that symbol represents.

Sahelian people refers to certain ethnic groups that live and established kingdoms in and around the sahel. These ethnic groups include hausas, kanuris, fulas and tuaregs to name a few.

This is all i ever wanted to hear, im glad you are able to admit it. I am not claiming cultural superiority here, like i said earlier theres nothing wrong with influencing each other, just like your women have influenced ours with the head ties.

And i am curious as to how you think this islamization took place.

This is indeed very true. But vegetables like onions arent originally found in the south. Its no wonder you lot call it the same thing we do, arabs call it basl, hausas call it albasa, and yorubas alubosa.(one of many words yorubas adopted hausas?

And where do you think the nupes got their horses from?

Great, i am very happy you have all these modes of dressing, again i am not denying, nor am i claiming cultural superiority. The questions remains, where did yorubas get inspiration for agbadas from?

9jakool:


That still doesn't change the underlying facts. And as far as the world is concern, the symbol is overused and not unique to any group. And as far as Nigeria is concerned, the agbada is Yoruba. Agbada is a more common term in comparison to babban riga.

That still doesn't change what I have said earlier. You are still attaching culture to vegetation. The same way Islam is practiced below the sahel, is the same way that type of clothing is found below the sahel. Yoruba remains the exception.

I admitted nothing since I used a conditional if, meaning I'm merely speculating. You on the other hand, have clearly admitted to something I didn't even know about.

I don't have time to go into details, do your own research.

I don't care what the name comes from, onion is not culture and it's not even native to Africa, it's from Asia. Onion is grown in Yorubaland and any vegetable that's grown in the North can be grown in Yorubaland than vice versa.

You are so predictable. I know you are going to go there. I could care less where the Nupe got it from. Facts remain that Yoruba didn't get it from the Hausa. Horse in Yoruba in Esin derived from Arabic Hesan. Before Yoruba had the calvary, there were horses used by kings for centuries. Yoruba interaction isn't limited to Northern Nigeria. The first mosque in Yorubaland was built by the Malians, the first Islamic scholars in Oyo were Malians, the first mentioning of Yoruba in any text was by the Songhai. I just want you to know that Yoruba's interaction to the North isn't limited to Hausa.

I don't think you are mischievous. The underlying fact is that you did not invent the style. Just as babban riga is exclusively Hausa, the agbada is exclusively Yoruba. Traditionally, both groups didn't use the same fabric and the style also differs.

Ersan:

Who gives a damn about which term is more common? You keep dodging the issue at hand.As far as nigeria is concerned, the agbada is a yoruba clothing inspired by hausas.

And? is there anything wrong with saying something is for instance asian? btw, the sahel is a region. Islam is practised in hausa land due to the influence of songhai teachers, the agbada is worn by yorubas and other a few other non sahelian ethnicities due to influence from hausas and other sahelian people.

Again you still dont get me? what if i admit to that? what is wrong with it? this is the insecurity and inferiority complex i speak of.

Good excuse

Exactly, for example, the durian (worst fruit in the world) though can be grown in nigeria is not indigenous to nigeria. just like the onion wasnt until it was introduced by traders to hausa who by extended the favor to the people of the southwest.

hausas--nupes--yorubas. it all leads back to us. As for the songhai empire, you should know there was a time they incorporated part of
hausaland, kano to be more specific to their kingdom. Though it didnt last long as kotal kanta of kebbi sent them packing a short while later, my point is it is no surprise we are at the center of everything.

The true point here is whether we invented it or not, we influenced you and the clothing you are so proud of today. You are welcome.

Ersan:


What people call it doesnt change what it is. Nor does it change the origin. You said its a type of suit, just like the babban riga or boubou draws inspiration from arabian outfits. In this case the distinction is enough that its carved its own niche. Again, just because the tux worn by others doesnt mean its not of american origin.


We are talking about origin here mind you, you've lost the plot. Why is it so hard for yorubas to accept this simple truth.

The tukulors (again, a branch of fulas) invented the grand bou bou and was the sahelian mode of dressing. Yorubas got it from the hausas just like they did the dashiki. It is no wonder yorubas are one of the few if not the only non sahelian/majority muslim ethnicity that wears the grand boubou.

Infact one of the most famous pictures of awolowo, he was wearing a very famous hausa style babban riga called kwado da linzami (not completely sure about the name).

Again, most of your "agbadas" today still incorporate the eternal knot which everyone knows is a symbol of the hausa people.

greenmonk:

All this una e-fight Dey make me shame.
The day De worst shame catch me na for far away Illinois. We were on a project comprising of Americans, Koreans, Europeans Arabs and two of us from Nigeria. During one of our breaks each group were discussing in their respective languages. Na him De Yoruba man we dey with me cum luk and I see say De same shame De catcham too. na him we start our own conversation, mixing hausa, IBO, Yoruba pidgin and any other Nigeria language we can remember as long as it is not plain English. It was on that day I saw through our petty tribal jealousy.
The pride of our nation is still in us. Let us think of how to build this nation.
Most of my best friends are not from my tribe.
Whatever the attire it is still Nigerian attire.
Think positive. Think Nigeria.

Ersan:


What people call it doesnt change what it is. Nor does it change the origin. You said its a type of suit, just like the babban riga or boubou draws inspiration from arabian outfits. In this case the distinction is enough that its carved its own niche. Again, just because the tux worn by others doesnt mean its not of american origin.


We are talking about origin here mind you, you've lost the plot. Why is it so hard for yorubas to accept this simple truth.

The tukulors (again, a branch of fulas) invented the grand bou bou and was the sahelian mode of dressing. Yorubas got it from the hausas just like they did the dashiki. It is no wonder yorubas are one of the few if not the only non sahelian/majority muslim ethnicity that wears the grand boubou.

Infact one of the most famous pictures of awolowo, he was wearing a very famous hausa style babban riga called kwado da linzami (not completely sure about the name).

Again, most of your "agbadas" today still incorporate the eternal knot which everyone knows is a symbol of the hausa people.

Olu317:
It is obvious that this design was borrowed from Songhai or Malian Empire because the trade of Yoruba beads and clothing materials in 13th century could have facilitated such. But made more popular through some Yoruba who adopted Islam as a religion .Hence became accepted everywhere in Yoruba land. If One consider the method of design on Yoruba ASO OKE / ASO OFI stylish embroidery design which has span 100s of years. It can be deduced that Yoruba clothing designers had close knowledge on this style of bou bou even before it became more popular among the Islamic scholars cum elites in Northern Nigeria.

Ersan:


Hausaland has been having trade relations with mali way before the 13th century.

Olu317:
On what area of trade do you mean ? I was specific. I will be glad if you can expatiate precisely on clothing cum fabric vis à vis its popularity e'en to the knowledge of it in the present day Ghana.

Ersan:


Doesnt matter, interaction between sahelian people has been going on for centuries. A lot of hausa people you see today, ethnic wise are songhais or malians to begin with as these people have also migrated into hausaland in numbers at some pointed.

In terms of fabric, fabrics have always been known to be one of the major trade item of hausas. Today the kofar mata dye pits in west africa is the oldest in west africa. The sahel region were for instance known for indigo turbans mostly provided by hausas.

You should also know that it is not necessary that hausas got this outfit from the songhai or malians, like i said, its the dress code of sahel and it could be any one of those ethnicities. It is also common knowledge that it is in fact hausa traders that popularized this mode of dressing.

Olu317:
Songhai was just 14th century empire. Yoruba empire had existed well before this new comers in the history of West Africa. Even Islamic scholars attested to these facts. The major problems was that Yoruba people was deeply established into deep forested area after migration into this present territories. The Nilotic Saharan including The Berbers, Bantus, who were the major founders of Songhai from GAO, with some Tuareg as well as other Fulanis and other groups from East Africa and North Africa. Hausa history have account of migration into this Northern part via Sudan from Baghdad environment. Hausa is advantageous because it became a trading language during those years. But not at all dealt in Fabric production or beads as done in Yoruba land. If you know history very well, there were no writers of history from Western world as such had knowledge of Yoruba as such. It was some Arabic/Islamic scholars who had been traveling and met some of our ancestors that documented part of our history. I don't see any history connecting Hausa fabrics as outstanding in the history of West Africa. However, I know about Nok art, Bantu people as having history connected and it is not fabrics. I am yet to see it in any part of West Africa history. Hausa were not well organised structurally to be able to establish such great fabric prowess.

Ersan:


You turning this into a pissing competition. You still dont understand what im trying to say here. Allow it

BabaRamota1980:


Eternal knot (Solomon's knot) was adapted in late 50s as a symbol of political North. It was never a part of your culture. You cannot show any picture of anyone or anywhere in Hausaland, pre 1950, with the knot on their garments.

I can show pictures taken of Yorubas in 1905 with the knot on their Agbada.

Prior to internet people used to say Yoruba got Islam from Hausa...but we already busted that myth. You guys thought you were the only Yoruba contact and gateway to the desert and the Arabs but no, you are not.

Konquest:

^^^^^^
^^^^^^
@BabaRamota1980

You are correct in your submission about
the Eternal knot. That guy who said the
Eternal knot is from the knot must be a young
person.

A senior politician and member of Arewa Consultative
Forum from the north said in a published
newspaper article that I read around 2002
that Sir Ahmadu Bello got the design
of the popular Eternal knot design when
he visited Yorubaland and he loved the
design, so he incorporated it into the
emblem of the Arewa... to such an extent
that the design has become ubiquitous
in the Northern part of Nigeria. He mentioned
that fact in the newspaper article because
he wanted Nigerians to know how LIBERAL
Sir Ahmadu Bello is in his interactions
with other Nigerians... in this case, the
Yoruba. I still have the newspaper in my
archive stating that the Sardauna of Sokoto
got the design from Yorubaland!

This history of Yoruba people being the
original source of the Eternal knot in Nigeria should well documented because some
people actually wrongly think it came from
the Hausa.

Islam came to Yorubaland from Mali
over 500 years ago.

Nice post!

Konquest:

^^^^^^
^^^^^^
@BabaRamota1980

You are correct in your submission about
the Eternal knot. That guy who said the
Eternal knot is from the north must be a young
person.

A senior politician and member of Arewa Consultative
Forum from the north said in a published
newspaper article that I read around 2002
that Sir Ahmadu Bello got the design
of the popular Eternal knot design when
he visited Yorubaland and he loved the
design, so he incorporated it into the
emblem of the Arewa... to such an extent
that the design has become ubiquitous
in the Northern part of Nigeria. He mentioned
that fact in the newspaper article because
he wanted Nigerians to know how LIBERAL
Sir Ahmadu Bello is in his interactions
with other Nigerians... in this case, the
Yoruba. I still have the newspaper in my
archive stating that the Sardauna of Sokoto
got the design from Yorubaland!

This history of Yoruba people being the
original source of the Eternal knot in Nigeria should well documented because some
people actually wrongly think it came from
the Hausa.

Islam came to Yorubaland from Mali
over 500 years ago.

Nice post!

DevdanSanguine:


1921 Emir of Katsina. Look at the embroidery, the eternal knot appears so anyone who says that came from Sardauna is very wrong.

The eternal knot as a matter of fact has north African nazarene origins. Some trace it all they way back to sarkin Gobir mai sakandami (the cross bearer) who was a medieval Christian king of Gobir. Others argue it's the result of the Christians failed venture into hausaland in the middle ages. Either way, that symbol is very old.

Besides, the Hausa and Yoruba versions of the eternal knot are very different today.

Konquest:

^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^
@DevanSanguine

I like the perspective that you brought by posting the 1921 picture of the Emir of Katsina with
what looks like a version of the Eternal knot or Solomon's knot... which is even different from
the Arewa Knot[Dagin Arewa] design!

By the way he wasn't wearing shoes? Why did he go about shoeless?
Northern Nigeria produced a LOT of leather at that time.


Four Hausa gun carriers of the South Nigerian Regiment in traditional clothing (1902 photo by John Benjamin Stone)
[img]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Four_Hausa_Gun_Carriers_of_the_South_Nigerian_Regiment_by_Sir_(John)_Benjamin_Stone_cropped.jpg[/img]



Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hausa_people





AREWA KNOT [DAGIN AREWA]
Arewa Knot is among those symbols which their hidden secret have not been discovered and its origin remains unknown. We have been told that it represents “Unity in Diversity”, but sometimes history is not what we have been told.

The Arewa knot is an emotive symbol of Northern Nigerian adopted by Sir Alhaji Ahmadu Bello (Sardauna of Sokoto) as a political identity. The symbol was adopted in the 1950s when Nigerian elites were preparing for political independence from Britain. (Ochonu 2008)

The symbol represents “Unity in Diversity”, which was encapsulated in the “One North” philosophy that was used to fight for representation and privileges for Northern Nigeria and to counter what was perceived as Southern Nigerian persecution and political domination. (Ochonu 2008).

Similarly, with the Arewa Knot losing its true meaning or yet to be discovered, it only remains a symbol used for decorating houses and clothing and adopted as Northern Nigerian emblem; Northern Nigerian political identity (in the 1950s) without a true meaning.

"CHRISTIAN ORIGIN"
Among the recent findings is the work of Ibrahim A. Waziri (2009) which he gathered while trying to trace the origin of this symbol and significance. He visited Arewa House which contains all documented northern Nigerian historical artefacts and archives, but there was no trace of its origin, let alone why Sir Ahmadu Bello the Sardauna of Sokoto adopted it as Northern Nigerian insignia knowing of its Christian origin.

In his assertion (Waziri, 2009), the Northern Nigerian insignia which is of Christian origin was adopted by Hausas as the Northern Nigerian emblem (political identity) under the guidance of Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna of Sokoto...

SOURCE: ===> https://nurasiya./2016/12/14/arewa-knot-dagin-arewa-the-origin/



You can read more here on the different types of Solomon's knot:


"WHAT IS SOLOMON’S KNOT?"

Each of the following images are variations of the symbol known as Solomon’s Knot, imbolo, the Celtic Foundation Knot, or the Nigerian Knot, and each of the variations has been held sacred by a culture in the many thousands of years since it was first drawn by early man.

To understand the significance of this enduring symbol read[b] "Seeing SOLOMON’S KNOT" by Lois Rose Rose[/b]
with © photographs by Joel Lipton.

===> http://www.loisroserose.com/Lois_Rose_Rose/A_WORLD_of_Sacred_Images.html

1. IST PICTURE BELOW IS A ROYAL CROWN YORUBA BEAD WORK WITH SOLOMON KNOT/ETERNAL KNOT DESIGN
2. 2ND PICTURE BELOW IS THE AREWA KNOT
3. HAUSA IN NIGERIA
4. HAUSA IN NIGER REPUBLIC
SOURCES:==> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hausa_people

Konquest:

^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^
@DevanSanguine

I like the perspective that you brought by posting the 1921 picture of the Emir of Katsina with
what looks like a version of the Eternal knot or Solomon's knot... which is even different from
the Arewa Knot[Dagin Arewa] design!

By the way he wasn't wearing shoes? Why did he go about shoeless?
Northern Nigeria produced a LOT of leather at that time.


Four Hausa gun carriers of the South Nigerian Regiment in traditional clothing (1902 photo by John Benjamin Stone)
[img]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Four_Hausa_Gun_Carriers_of_the_South_Nigerian_Regiment_by_Sir_(John)_Benjamin_Stone_cropped.jpg[/img]



Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hausa_people





AREWA KNOT [DAGIN AREWA]
Arewa Knot is among those symbols which their hidden secret have not been discovered and its origin remains unknown. We have been told that it represents “Unity in Diversity”, but sometimes history is not what we have been told.

The Arewa knot is an emotive symbol of Northern Nigerian adopted by Sir Alhaji Ahmadu Bello (Sardauna of Sokoto) as a political identity. The symbol was adopted in the 1950s when Nigerian elites were preparing for political independence from Britain. (Ochonu 2008)

The symbol represents “Unity in Diversity”, which was encapsulated in the “One North” philosophy that was used to fight for representation and privileges for Northern Nigeria and to counter what was perceived as Southern Nigerian persecution and political domination. (Ochonu 2008).

Similarly, with the Arewa Knot losing its true meaning or yet to be discovered, it only remains a symbol used for decorating houses and clothing and adopted as Northern Nigerian emblem; Northern Nigerian political identity (in the 1950s) without a true meaning.

"CHRISTIAN ORIGIN"
Among the recent findings is the work of Ibrahim A. Waziri (2009) which he gathered while trying to trace the origin of this symbol and significance. He visited Arewa House which contains all documented northern Nigerian historical artefacts and archives, but there was no trace of its origin, let alone why Sir Ahmadu Bello the Sardauna of Sokoto adopted it as Northern Nigerian insignia knowing of its Christian origin.

In his assertion (Waziri, 2009), the Northern Nigerian insignia which is of Christian origin was adopted by Hausas as the Northern Nigerian emblem (political identity) under the guidance of Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna of Sokoto...

SOURCE: ===> https://nurasiya./2016/12/14/arewa-knot-dagin-arewa-the-origin/



You can read more here on the different types of Solomon's knot:


"WHAT IS SOLOMON’S KNOT?"

Each of the following images are variations of the symbol known as Solomon’s Knot, imbolo, the Celtic Foundation Knot, or the Nigerian Knot, and each of the variations has been held sacred by a culture in the many thousands of years since it was first drawn by early man.

To understand the significance of this enduring symbol read "Seeing SOLOMON’S KNOT" by Lois Rose Rose
with © photographs by Joel Lipton.

===> http://www.loisroserose.com/Lois_Rose_Rose/A_WORLD_of_Sacred_Images.html

1. IST PICTURE BELOW IS A ROYAL CROWN YORUBA BEAD WORK WITH SOLOMON KNOT/ETERNAL KNOT DESIGN
2. 2ND PICTURE BELOW IS THE AREWA KNOT
3. HAUSA IN NIGERIA
4. HAUSA IN NIGER REPUBLIC
SOURCES:==> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hausa_people

Cc: sasalite

You are right that our traditions have gone global even the fulani men dress like us o. Sure we dont have a problem with it, it is very admirable that others love our culture. But bros you like wahala small @last statement.



No bro, Zahra Buhari is one of the ladies up there, Emir Sanusi's daughter Siddika is also up there and they are full blooded fulanis.