God loves a cheerful giver and He is committed to blessing them in return,If you think your tithe ever worked for you,it worked only because your giving was from a willing heart,because it was done cheerfully,that was how God saw it,you only named it tithe.

You're ignorant. Everything has its place .
Prayer has its blessing
almsgiving has its blessing
Tithing has its blessing
Offering has its blessing
Giving to man of God has its blessing
Giving to frlow believers has its blessing
Giving to parents has its blessing
Knowledge of God has it'd blessing
Hard work has its blessing


If you do then you reap the individual blessing they carry. But if you don't you simply lose the blessing they carry

petra1:

You're ignorant. Everything has its place .
Prayer has its blessing
almsgiving has its blessing
Tithing has its blessing
Offering has its blessing
Giving to man of God has its blessing
Giving to frlow believers has its blessing
Giving to parents has its blessing
Knowledge of God has it'd blessing
Hard work has its blessing


If you do then you reap the individual blessing they carry. But if you don't you simply lose the blessing they carry

No that's not true,for that will be too magical,....does it mean I can just pick the few ones I like from the list and enjoy the benefits while others are left undone?.......God's dealings with man,most especially the new creature isn't like that......I do not want us to digress,I will be asking you few questions........firstly,will God accept any giving(your tithes,offerings or whatever name you call it) done for Him or in His name if it isn't done willingly?.....and secondly,what is tithe and why do you pay tithe?.........Let's discuss this and then let's be careful with our language,no aggressive words or attack to personalty,for I believe our goal is the same,coming to the knowledge of the truth.

Wahala for tithe tomuch for nairaland

doyinbaby:
Wahala for tithe tomuch for nairaland

Lol.......,not really,it only appears like that because that is one of the major controversies of the day in the body of Christ.

owoleola:

will God accept any giving(your tithes,offerings or whatever name you call it) done for Him or in His name if it isn't done willingly?.

He won't turn down any sacrifice . But if a man
Giving with wrong attitude His faith may not produce the result of the harvest he ought to have

.

...and secondly,what is tithe and why do you pay tithe?

Tithe is 10% of earning or belonging.[/quote]

petra1:


He won't turn down any sacrifice . But if a man
Giving with wrong attitude Jos faith may not produce the result of the harvest he ought to have

.

Tithe is 10% of earning or belonging.

okay can I choose to make it lower than 10%?.....and then didn't God turn down cain's sacrifice?

owoleola:
okay can I choose to make it lower than 10%?....

It won't be tithe

and then didn't God turn down cain's sacrifice?

He did but cain case was a disobedience . God gave specific instruction . God wanted first fruit .

petra1:


It won't be tithe



He did but cain case was a disobedience . God gave specific instruction . God wanted first fruit .

if then I give a benchmark(that is, certain percentage or amount for giving),does that still make it something you can do at will?
Disobedience to which law or commandment,had any instructions been given then?

owoleola:
if then I give a benchmark(that is, certain percentage or amount for giving),does that still make it something you can do at will?

Yes of course .

Disobedience to which law or commandment,had any instructions been given then?

Yes ,instruction was given though not written . God wouldn't blame him if there was no instruction .why was he not accepted then?

owoleola:
okay can I choose to make it lower than 10%?.....and then didn't God turn down cain's sacrifice?

God doesn't need anyone's money... he doesn't even want it... rather give it to the less privileged around you

petra1:


Yes of course .



Yes ,instruction was given though not written . God wouldn't blame him if there was no instruction .why was he not accepted then?

He wasn't accepted because of the state of his heart,he didn't give God wholeheartedly.

You can't emphasize a limit or a minimum of which someone can give and still instruct them to go ahead and do their will,they don't follow

Wilgrea7:


God doesn't need anyone's money... he doesn't even want it... rather give it to the less privileged around you

Yeah,just like the way God doesn't need our righteousness or faithfulness or any good fruit we produce but that is what is expected of His Children,to give liberally,willingly,cheerfully to Him,to His works,to people around us.....but not to be done under compulsion or necessity or fulfilling a law.

owoleola:
He wasn't accepted because of the state of his heart,he didn't give God wholeheartedly.

Genesis 4:3-5
3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord. 4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering: 5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.


It wasn't just about the heart . It was about the a excellence of the gift itself . Faith comes by hearing . That means God must have instructed them to give first fruits . CAIN didn't bring first fruits . He just brought fruits .

Hebrews 11:4
4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

owoleola:
You can't emphasize a limit or a minimum of which someone can give and still instruct them to go ahead and do their will,they don't follow

Obedience is an act of will power . We excercise our willingness to obey.

Isaiah 1:19
If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

So either you're giving 10th or first or best to God it's still an oct of will knowing that it pleases God.

petra1:


Genesis 4:3-5
3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord. 4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering: 5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.


It wasn't just about the heart . It was about the a excellence of the gift itself . Faith comes by hearing . That means God must have instructed them to give first fruits . CAIN didn't bring first fruits . He just brought fruits .

Hebrews 11:4
4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

Every thing is about the heart when it comes to God's dealings with men,only that the heart will definitely yield some fruits,God judges the heart but the fruits are proofs to men since no man sees the heart.

Wilgrea7:


God doesn't need anyone's money... he doesn't even want it... rather give it to the less privileged around you

Wilgrea7 I think it's high time you wrote your own Bible. When did god Yahweh stop needing tithe? Did fictitious jesus ever say that tithe is no more necessary?

petra1:


Obedience is an act of will power . We excercise our willingness to obey.

Isaiah 1:19
If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

So either you're giving 10th or first or best to God it's still an oct of will knowing that it pleases God.

who were those being referred to here directly?.....you see, the peculiar people of the old found it difficult to obey God because they lacked the willing heart consequent upon their nature (adamic),and that was why strict laws and punishments for breakage were given to them,but it is no longer so,through the new nature,we now have the willing heart and therefore you do not need any yardstick or law to give....lemme also ask you,do you believe God expects us to give all we give?....and if yes,what does it mean to give all?

otemanuduno:
Wilgrea7 I think it's high time you wrote your own Bible. When did god Yahweh stop needing tithe? Did fictitious jesus ever say that tithe is no more necessary?

I must emphasize this Tithing doesn't apply to the peculiar people of the new dispensation

owoleola:
I must emphasize this Tithing doesn't apply to the peculiar people of the new dispensation

Who said it doesn't apply? Where and when did yahweh say that? Last time I checked, they said Yahweh never changes. He's static in knowledge, never growing. So tell me who said tithe doesn't apply anymore.

If Abel gave to God through faith with no laws or rules or commandments on ground and pleased God,who told you you can't replicate same faith through your believe in Christ?

otemanuduno:
Wilgrea7 I think it's high time you wrote your own Bible. When did god Yahweh stop needing tithe? Did fictitious jesus ever say that tithe is no more necessary?

i think you need to stop reading your bible with a biased mind.... tithe issue has been handled here many times... you chose what you want to believe... many denominations don't agree with tithe.. research is not bad

owoleola:
God loves a cheerful giver and He is committed to blessing them in return,If you think your tithe ever worked for you,it worked only because your giving was from a willing heart,because it was done cheerfully,that was how God saw it,you only named it tithe.

According to the bible, Jesus never took from his congregation. He never passed around a basket or tray to receive pledges and donations at the end of each sermon. He never asked for a payment. Nor did he ever tell his disciples to accept money for their assistance as found in Matthew 10:8-10:

“Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.”

owoleola:
Every thing is about the heart when it comes to God's dealings with men,only that the heart will definitely yield some fruits,God judges the heart but the fruits are proofs to men since no man sees the heart.

You're right but in this case The difference with their sacrifice was that one was a first fruit the other was not .

owoleola:
who were those being referred to here directly?....

Gods people

you see, the peculiar people of the old found it difficult to obey God because they lacked the willing heart consequent upon their nature
(adamic),and that was why strict laws and punishments for breakage were given to them

What they lack was not willingness but rather ability by the virtue of the old nature.

we now have the willing heart and therefore you do not need any yardstick or law to give

It's still the same . Are there no Christians or minister who do wicked works or who don't give?

....lemme also ask you,do you believe God expects us to give all we give?....and if yes,what does it mean to give all?

You may need to explain . If possible with scripture . I don't want to assume I know what you mean

petra1:


You're right but in this case The difference with their sacrifice was that one was a first fruit the other was not .

you still don't get it,the difference between their offerings was their different state of hearts,one gave willingly while the other gave grudgingly.......read Hebrew 11:4

owoleola:
you still don't get it,the difference between their offerings was their different state of hearts,one gave willingly while the other gave grudgingly.......read Hebrew 11:4

What does it say

petra1:


Gods people



What they lack was not willingness but rather ability by the virtue of the old nature.



It's still the same . Are there no Christians or minister who do wicked works or who don't give?



You may need to explain . If possible with scripture . I don't want to assume I know what you mean

The rich man that came to meet Jesus went back sorrowfully because he couldn't give all.God expect us to give all but giving all doesn't translate to giving every penny on you or every substance you have,it means giving willingly,for that will be coming from all your heart and that is your ALL..Does it mean if I give #500 out of the #1000 I have,I haven't given all?.....No,for if it is coming from my heart I have given all and if it's not,even if I give the whole #1000,it won't be accepted by God.

petra1:


What does it say

Heb 11:4 "By faith Abel offered to God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain,through which he obtained witness that he was righteous,God testifying to his gifts and through it he being dead still speaks".........now lemme see how you comprehend this,what was lacking in Cain,excellent gifts or faith?

owoleola:
Heb 11:4 "By faith Abel offered to God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain,through which he obtained witness that he was righteous,God testifying to his gifts and through it he being dead still speaks

"By faith Abel. . ." "Faith comes by hearing". They must have been taught or instructed . Abel obeyed by painstakingly selecting the firstling of every animal he offered . Cain didn't bother to go through the rigors . He offered something else . His wasn't based on faith. He heart definately wasn't right hence his action.

........now lemme see how you comprehend this,what was lacking in Cain,excellent gifts or faith?

owoleola:
The rich man that came to meet Jesus went back sorrowfully because he couldn't give all.God expect us to give all but giving all doesn't translate to giving every penny on you or every substance you have,it means giving willingly,for that will be coming from all your heart and that is your ALL..Does it mean if I give #500 out of the #1000 I have,I haven't given all?.....No,for if it is coming from my heart I have given all and if it's not,even if I give the whole #1000,it won't be accepted by God.

You are the one preaching the doctrine of giving all . And you should back the doctrine from scripture . Where did Gid say to give all and what does he mean by the context . I didn't teach about giving all you did. If I teach about giving all . I will give you scriptures and explain what I understand by it