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Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 12:54pm On May 11
Avestan Influences on Judaism:

1) History is a battle between the forces of Light versus the forces of Darkness. One day the sons of Light will eventual win and History will be culminated.


2) The final redemption will be brought about by a Messianic figure known in Avesta as the Saoshyant. This teaching influenced Jewish Eschatological Messianism. Till today it persists amongst the Persian people, though Islamic, as the belief and expectation of someone called the Mahdi.

3) Universalism. For the first time the Avestans introduce an idea of God that is not tribal but rather their God is a god of all people throughout all of history. Anybody that gets right with Ahura Mazda and strives for the Light against Darkness (through Word, and thought and Deed) will be saved.

4) Belief in an after life. Originally Judaism didn't believe in it and even during the time of early christianity it is obvious that not all jews believed in the resurrection of the dead, it was mainly the pharisees and a few other sects like christians.

5) Linguistically the Jews borrowed appellations like 'King of Kings, and Lord of Lords' from the Persians

6) The christians too borrowed the notion that the main fields of battle between Light and Darkness is in the 3 realms of Words, Thoughts, and Deeds. In other words, what you say, what you think and what you do will manifest the battle between good and evil.

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Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 4:32pm On May 11
MuttleyLaff:

"Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered,
"before Abraham was born, I AM!"

Jesus told them:
"Truly, I tell all of you emphatically, before there was an Abraham, I AM!"

- John 8:58

The ''I AM'' designation is reminiscent of God's personal and/or official name, ''Yahweh''
which means ''One who always was, is, and will be''
Funning thing is Yahweh is not just only all over the place before Moses turns up
but is even before Abraham was born

Err... you missed my point. Again.

The name Yahweh is all over the place, he is being addressed as Yahweh before moses turned up in the bible. If they didn't know his name to be Yahweh then how comes they are addressing him as Yahweh.


Exodus 6:3
3and I appeared to Abraham , Isaac, and Jacob, as El Shaddai, but by My name, Yahweh , I did not make Myself known to them.

Genesis 14:22
22Abram said to the king of Sodom, "I have sworn to the Yahweh , God Most High, possessor of heaven and earth,


Simple question: Did Abraham know Yahweh by name or not?
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 2:45pm On Jun 04
MuttleyLaff:


and I am and will be waiting for you

ahem cough cough.
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by MuttleyLaff: 4:32pm On Jun 04
PastorAIO:
Any way, you promised that you would be waiting for me yet you ran off and have only just resurfaced

PastorAIO:
ahem cough cough
Is it difficult for you to be patient?
The best things in life are worth waiting for
and everything comes in the right moment to the patient

Just because I havent posted back, doesnt meanit will nevr happen
Keep calm and have patience
Dont lose hope, no need to cough cough
Be patient, stay patient and not be a patient
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 10:28pm On Jun 04
MuttleyLaff:


Is it difficult for you to be patient?
The best things in life are worth waiting for
and everything comes in the right moment to the patient

Just because I havent posted back, doesnt meanit will nevr happen
Keep calm and have patience
Dont lose hope, no need to cough cough
Be patient, stay patient and not be a patient

It is easy to be patient when I don't expect something imminently. But when I'm told that someone is waiting for me and a response takes over a month and counting (cos you still haven't responded) then I believe I am allowed to feel, if not impatient, at least contempt for what seems like sheer idiotic braggadocio.
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by MuttleyLaff: 11:46pm On Jun 04
PastorAIO:
It is easy to be patient when I don't expect something imminently.
But when I'm told that someone is waiting for me
and a response takes over a month and counting (cos you still haven't responded) then I believe I am allowed to feel, if not impatient, at least contempt for what seems like sheer idiotic braggadocio.
Oh please stop being a drama queen
You're acting like a demanding and nagging wife
Does ''I am and will be waiting for you'' look or sound like I promised you any entitlement?
I will publish my replies in my own time.
Until then I am in waiting mode and still waiting. Suck it up!
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 12:42am On Jun 05
MuttleyLaff:
Oh please stop being a drama queen
You're acting like a demanding and nagging wife
Does ''I am and will be waiting for you'' look or sound like I promised you any entitlement?
I will publish my replies in my own time.
Until then I am in waiting mode and still waiting. Suck it up!


Well I'm not going to hold my breath because the bottom line is that Cyrus says in the bible, which you hold to be Absolute literal truth, that it was Yahweh that commissioned him and gave him mandate. So if you want to keep up your Cyrus Cylinder brouhaha then you are calling your bible a liar. A book of lies. Either Cyrus said Yahweh called him, or Cyrus said that Marduk called him.

If you can resolve this dilemma for your pathetic weak brain within the next 35 years I'll give you a biscuit.
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 12:44am On Jun 05
MuttleyLaff:

You're acting like a demanding and nagging wife

And please menh, if you need help to stop your wife from nagging you I can recommend some agbo (native herbs) that will help make you a man again, and your wife happier with you.
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by MuttleyLaff: 2:15am On Jun 05
PastorAIO:
Well I'm not going to hold my breath because the bottom line is that Cyrus says in the bible, which you hold to be Absolute literal truth, that it was Yahweh that commissioned him and gave him mandate. So if you want to keep up your Cyrus Cylinder brouhaha then you are calling your bible a liar. A book of lies. Either Cyrus said Yahweh called him, or Cyrus said that Marduk called him.

If you can resolve this dilemma for your pathetic weak brain within the next 35 years I'll give you a biscuit.

PastorAIO:
And please menh, if you need help to stop your wife from nagging you I can recommend some agbo (native herbs) that will help make you a man again, and your wife happier with you.
Wow, your whole diatribe makes it sound you're going out of your way dying for a jerk off face-off
and if you look up j e r k in the dictionary you will see a picture of your face
You are outed for what you really are
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 2:37am On Jun 05
MuttleyLaff:


Wow, your whole diatribe makes it sound you're going out of your way dying for a jerk off face-off
and if you look up j e r k in the dictionary you will see a picture of your face
You are outed for what you really are

At least we know that you can respond and you have no excuses but simply refuse to because of your satanic arrogance. Even a simple decent, 'oh I didn't know that, I admit I was probably wrong'. That is too much for you. Yet you claim to have a spirit from God. An Ego filled spirit from the Arch Shaitan himself is closer to the truth.

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Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 2:42am On Jun 05
and talking about face off: the pompous confrontational braggadocious posts started with you. and now you have to run and duck.
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by hopefulLandlord: 2:48am On Jun 05
PastorAIO:


At least we know that you can respond and you have no excuses but simply refuse to because of your satanic arrogance. Even a simple decent, 'oh I didn't know that, I admit I was probably wrong'. That is too much for you. Yet you claim to have a spirit from God. And Ego filled spirit from the Arch Shaitan himself is closer to the truth.

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Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by MuttleyLaff: 2:52am On Jun 05
PastorAIO:
At least we know that you can respond and you have no excuses but simply refuse to because of your satanic arrogance. Even a simple decent, 'oh I didn't know that, I admit I was probably wrong'. That is too much for you. Yet you claim to have a spirit from God.
And Ego filled spirit from the Arch Shaitan himself is closer to the truth.
Are you on some medications?
Like seriously, or you're on a day release?

PastorAIO:
and talking about face off:
the pompous confrontational braggadocious posts started with you.
and now you have to run and duck
What part in
''I will publish my replies in my own time. Until then I am in waiting mode and still waiting''
do you have a problem with understanding
So many nut cases loose on Nairaland.
Thankfully your IP address got noted down so mental assessment teams can pay you a visit.
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 3:26am On Jun 05
MuttleyLaff:
Are you on some medications?
Like seriously, or you're on a day release?

What part in
''I will publish my replies in my own time. Until then I am in waiting mode and still waiting''
do you have a problem with understanding
So many nut cases loose on Nairaland.
Thankfully your IP address got noted down so mental assessment teams can pay you a visit.

This is what you are resorting to. Calling names. When you feel you have an argument please respond to the issues.
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by MuttleyLaff: 4:07am On Jun 05
PastorAIO:
This is what you are resorting to. Calling names. When you feel you have an argument please respond to the issues.
''I w i l l
p u b l i s h
m y
r e p l i e s
i n
m y
o w n
t i m e.
U n t i l
t h e n
I a m
i n
w a i t i n g
m o d e
a n d
s t i l l
w a i t i n g''
Capisce?
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by kkins25(m): 11:49pm On Aug 03
muttleylaff, youre stock on a crossroad. the cyprus cylinder or the bible? which do we take as accurate and reputable? ?
Pastoraio, sarrassin nd co. sorry to digress a bit but my comment is on the character of YVWH. the way I see it, the God of the OT is quite different from the God of the NT.
the OT God has no value for human life, on the contrary the NT God loves all good and evil doers.
the OT God is somewhat anthropomorphic having attributes of hate, anger, jelousy, regret, creator of good and evil, tempter of men, heart hardner etc. the NT God is quite opposite, with attributes of pure love and all good, didnt creat evil, feels bad the world is lost etc.
when you put the OT and the NT together it makes no sense.
if jesus is God then jesus was the one who destroyed cities and killed men women nd kids. why feel remorse that he decided to sacrifice himself to himself so that himself would save d righteous and purnish the ungodly. I just stumbled upon a book by sir isaac newton onlie and the man claims church fathers altered the texts of the NT. to be continued.
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by Sarassin: 11:37am On Aug 04
kkins25:
muttleylaff, youre stock on a crossroad. the cyprus cylinder or the bible? which do we take as accurate and reputable? ?
Pastoraio, sarrassin nd co. sorry to digress a bit but my comment is on the character of YVWH. the way I see it, the God of the OT is quite different from the God of the NT.
the OT God has no value for human life, on the contrary the NT God loves all good and evil doers.
the OT God is somewhat anthropomorphic having attributes of hate, anger, jelousy, regret, creator of good and evil, tempter of men, heart hardner etc. the NT God is quite opposite, with attributes of pure love and all good, didnt creat evil, feels bad the world is lost etc.
when you put the OT and the NT together it makes no sense.
if jesus is God then jesus was the one who destroyed cities and killed men women nd kids. why feel remorse that he decided to sacrifice himself to himself so that himself would save d righteous and purnish the ungodly. I just stumbled upon a book by sir isaac newton onlie and the man claims church fathers altered the texts of the NT. to be continued.

Yes, we await the views of the very excellent Muttleyaff…..

I do agree with a lot of what you have posted, it seems clear that the anthropomorphic Jewish deity that is YHWH is incompatible with that of the more universal compassionate construct of the New Testament, I agree with the contrasts that you have made. There were quite a few early Christian fathers who clearly believed the same too, the likes of Marcion was completely convinced that the God of the OT simply could not be the God of the NT.

It is clear to see that a lot of Marcion’s doctrine found its way into Paul’s writings, in fact were it not for Marcion who collected, collated and distributed Paul’s writings, Paul would be largely unknown today. Isaac Newton was right of course, it is fair to say that the NT writings were significantly altered, we see the horrible curse in the apocalypse of John (Rev 22: 18-19) and of course the outburst of Paul himself in the Book of Galatians against those who in his view, were perverting the gospel, these demonstrate that even in the writers lifetimes their words were being altered, we know that Marcion as well as Polycarp heavily edited Paul’s writings, not to even mention the hundreds of biblical scribes and copyists.

It seems to me the NT has less to do with the inspiration of God and more to do with the assertions of Man.
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by MuttleyLaff: 5:54pm On Aug 04
kkins25:
muttleylaff, youre stock on a crossroad
On the contrary, I am not stuck on a crossroad
The question you should have asked is:
What number on my priority list, is responding to this thread, and especially to my friend pastor AIO?
If you had, I would have gladly told you: Far, very far up on the queue is the number

kkins25:
the cyprus cylinder or the bible? which do we take as accurate and reputable?
Judged on each own merits, both

kkins25:
Pastoraio, sarrassin nd co. sorry to digress a bit but my comment is on the character of YVWH.
the way I see it, the God of the OT is quite different from the God of the NT
Most of us watch our parents' dealings and interactions with our kids
I say of such parents that they are quite different from when we were kids and growing up
My dear friend Sarassin, is elderly, and I can bet his kids would have said him and his madam, they've gone soft with age
That things they, his kids, wouldnt dare try with him and his madam, the grandkids are doing then and getting away with murder
(i.e. the grandkids are allowed to do things that they when growing up would've got punished or told off for doing same)

Bottom line. Same God in OT, as its same God in NT, just as its same Sarassin then, and it is Sarassin now

kkins25:
the OT God has no value for human life, on the contrary the NT God loves all good and evil doers
What?! Kai.
The OT God has no value for human life?
Chai there's God ooo

kkins25:
the OT God is somewhat anthropomorphic having attributes of hate, anger, jelousy, regret, creator of good and evil, tempter of men, heart hardner etc.
The NT God is quite opposite, with attributes of pure love and all good, didnt creat evil, feels bad the world is lost etc
when you put the OT and the NT together it makes no sense
It isnt just only anthropomorphism,
there also is the anthropopathism and/or personifications of God, used in the Bible or other literature
all in the quest to make sure the communicated messages gets put across in an understood manner or way.

Maybe putting the OT God and the NT God together doesnt make sense to you
but it sure does make a whole lot and great deal of sense to those it does

kkins25:
if Jesus is God then Jesus was the One who destroyed cities and killed men women and kids.
Why feel remorse that He decided to sacrifice himself to Himself so that Himself would save the righteous and punish the ungodly.
So you dont destroy things, hmm? You dont put things in the trashcan or wastebasket erh?
Pu-lease spare us the sanctimonious talk jaare.

Feel remorse ke?
I can bet my bottom dollar that,
if you were to be God, and for that matter, be a God that is omniscient, knowing all and what you know,
you would have bottled up on creation etcetera and not let Adam see the light of day

kkins25:
I just stumbled upon a book by Sir Isaac Newton onlie and the man claims church fathers altered the texts of the NT. to be continued
The ''church fathers''' theology(ies) influenced their individual translation of the Bible (i.e. NT and all)
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by MuttleyLaff: 5:55pm On Aug 04
Sarassin:
Yes, we await the views of the very excellent Muttleyaff…..
You know time isnt always an ally
and I am not into wishy-washy responses
so I have to be selective, until time permits it worth doing well.

Sarassin:
I do agree with a lot of what you have posted, it seems clear that the anthropomorphic Jewish deity that is YHWH is incompatible with that of the more universal compassionate construct of the New Testament, I agree with the contrasts that you have made. There were quite a few early Christian fathers who clearly believed the same too, the likes of Marcion was completely convinced that the God of the OT simply could not be the God of the NT
God is non-corporeal, so any anthropomorphism, anthropopathism and/or personifications used in the Bible or other literature in regards to God, are done in order to make sure the communicated messages gets across in a way that can be understood or related to

If talking of the likes of Marcion was completely convinced that the God of the OT simply could not be the God of the NT
why not, let's make this a bit exciting and more stimulating

What both you say, about the idiosyncrasies of God of Genesis chapter 1, and the LORD God of Genesis chapter 2 - chapter 3?

Have you and kkins25 noticed, the done on purpose usages of just God in Chapter 1, LORD God in chapter 2 and chapter 3
and then the deliberate singular usage of Lord or God in subsequent chapters to Genesis chapter 1, chapter 2 - chapter 3?
This interchanging usage of God, LORD God, Lord and God goes on from Genesis chapter 1 right up to Genesis chapter 9 and beyond.

Sarassin:
It is clear to see that a lot of Marcion’s doctrine found its way into Paul’s writings, in fact were it not for Marcion who collected, collated and distributed Paul’s writings, Paul would be largely unknown today. Isaac Newton was right of course, it is fair to say that the NT writings were significantly altered, we see the horrible curse in the apocalypse of John (Rev 22: 18-19) and of course the outburst of Paul himself in the Book of Galatians against those who in his view, were perverting the gospel, these demonstrate that even in the writers lifetimes their words were being altered, we know that Marcion as well as Polycarp heavily edited Paul’s writings, not to even mention the hundreds of biblical scribes and copyists
Not only Galatia
You omitted mentioning Ephesus too had its fair share perverting the gospel with its goddess (i.e. Artemis of Ephesus)

Sarassin:
It seems to me the NT has less to do with the inspiration of God and more to do with the assertions of Man
You know, as well as I do, that, bible original text translations arent necessarily God inspired
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by kkins25(m): 9:37pm On Aug 04
MuttleyLaff:
On the contrary, I am not stuck on a crossroad
The question you should have asked is:
What number on my priority list, is responding to this thread, and especially to my friend pastor AIO?
If you had, I would have gladly told you: Far, very far up on the queue is the number

Judged on each own merits, both

Most of us watch our parents' dealings and interactions with our kids
I say of such parents that they are quite different from when we were kids and growing up
My dear friend Sarassin, is elderly, and I can bet his kids would have said him and his madam, they've gone soft with age
That things they, his kids, wouldnt dare try with him and his madam, the grandkids are doing then and getting away muder
(i.e. the grandkids are allowed to do things that they when growing up would've got punished or told off for doing same)
sarassin sir pls correct me if am wrong. based on muttleylaff pompous analogy wouldn't that mean God has changed? isnt God never changing? muttleylaff youre confusing us.


What?! Kai.
The OT God has no value for human life?
Chai there's God ooo

kill the men, women and children (even children) are kids sinful?? "keep the virgins for yourself" if God uttered such then prophet mohammed is a true prophet.
Remember someone accidently touvched the ark of convenant and he was immediately killed by God. God of the OT destroyed any one who disobeys him. (look how he handled the guy who stayed in the belly of a whale) . im not blind niggar God of the NT loved all creation (yeah lets not remember when God eliminated 99.9 % of human in the flood.


It isnt just only anthropomorphism,
there also is the anthropopathism and/or personifications of God, used in the Bible or other literature
all in the quest to make sure the communicated messages gets put across in an understood manner or way.
should I post bible verses from the NT and the OT that contradict each other on the character of God?? God created good nd evil according to isiah. according to paul, james, and Jesus himself God is pure LOVE.
Have you heard of gnostism?? they believe jehova aka saldabaoth(spelling error) is the REAL Devil who thinks he is the supreme God. read the gospel of thomas, apocryphal of john, gospel of magdalene

Maybe putting the OT God and the NT God together doesnt make sense to you
but it sure does make a whole lot and great deal of sense to those it does


So you dont destroy things, hmm? You dont put things in the trashcan or wastebasket erh?
Pu-lease spare us the sanctimonious talk jaare.
id pretend I didnt see this. youre now comparing me to God who is supposed to be all-knowing, all wise?? hold it there sir.

Feel remorse ke?
I can bet my bottom dollar that,
if you were to be God, and for that matter, be a God that is omniscient, knowing all and what you know,
you would have bottled up on creation etcetera and not let Adam see the light of day
if I were the all knowing let me tell you what id do.
1) id not have tempted adam. why put chocolate in front of a baby nd say hey dont eat the chocolate, see buscuit there. God knew eve would take that fruit (if he didnt how can he be all knowing??)
2) of the hundreds of planets, the only one suiytable for the satan nd his demons was earth abi?? I would have lock lucifer in the Sun.
3) if I were God the all powerful I would have snapped my fingers and erased evil.
4) if I were all powerful I would provide proof to the atheists that indeed im here
5) if I were all power full I would have delivered the jews from the hands of the romans. up till today the vatican (rome rules)
6) if I were perfect then my creation would be perfect.

The ''church fathers''' theology(ies) influenced their individual translation of the Bible (i.e. NT and all)
So if the bible which is supposed to be the word of God has been altered, why should I not criticize every word, sentence, verse and chapter. just reply my post muttleylaff and stop this chicken tatic of avoiding argument.

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Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by Deicide: 11:17pm On Aug 04
Where wuna day see all these things from? shocked
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by MuttleyLaff: 6:51am On Aug 05
kkins25:
Bottom line. Same God in OT, as its same God in NT, just as its same Sarassin then, and it is Sarassin now

kill the men, women and children (even children) are kids sinful?? "keep the virgins for yourself" if God uttered such then prophet mohammed is a true prophet.
Remember someone accidently touvched the ark of convenant and he was immediately killed by God. God of the OT destroyed any one who disobeys him. (look how he handled the guy who stayed in the belly of a whale) . im not blind niggar God of the NT loved all creation (yeah lets not remember when God eliminated 99.9 % of human in the flood.

should I post bible verses from the NT and the OT that contradict each other on the character of God?? God created good nd evil according to isiah. according to paul, james, and Jesus himself God is pure LOVE.
Have you heard of gnostism?? they believe jehova aka saldabaoth(spelling error) is the REAL Devil who thinks he is the supreme God. read the gospel of thomas, apocryphal of john, gospel of magdalene.

Maybe putting the OT God and the NT God together doesnt make sense to you
but it sure does make a whole lot and great deal of sense to those it does


id pretend I didnt see this. youre now comparing me to God who is supposed to be all-knowing?? hold it there sir.

if I were the all knowing let me tell you what id do.
1) id not have tempted adam. why put chocolate in front of a baby nd say hey dont eat the chocolate, see buscuit there. God knew eve would take that fruit (if he didnt how can he be all knowing??)
2) of the hundreds of planets, the only one suiytable for the satan nd his demons was earth abi?? I would have lock lucifer in the Sun.
3) if I were God the all powerful I would have snapped my fingers and erased evil.
4) if I were all powerful I would provide proof to the atheists that indeed im here
5) if I were all power full I would have delivered the jews from the hands of the romans. up till today the vatican (rome rules)
6) if I were perfect then my creation would be perfect.

The ''church fathers''' theology(ies) influenced their individual translation of the Bible (i.e. NT and all)
Besides the obvious fact that you have a dim and highly subjective view of God
how do you expect anyone to correctly reply to a spaghetti response of this kind from you
Sharpen up the post properly, else it'll be just like an unsharpened pencil - with no point
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by kkins25(m): 1:10pm On Aug 05
MuttleyLaff:
[/size]Besides the obvious fact that you have a dim and highly subjective view of God
how do you expect anyone to correctly reply to a spaghetti response of this kind from you
Sharpen up the post properly, else it'll be just like an unsharpened pencil - with no point
go nd read again. sir chicken..the truth would piss you off
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by MuttleyLaff: 5:20pm On Aug 06
kkins25:
go nd read again. sir chicken..the truth would piss you off
I see you've taken my advice to tidy up your post
- the presentation is now better and no more a tangled mess

You're back on the queue. I'll get back to you, moment asap you get to the fore

Now dear friend, if you cant learn to be serious and open-minded
at least learn to be respectful to people
and stop yourself from name-calling others by using rude names like sir chicken
You're picking up bad habits from MrPresident1

Why are your posts always in bad styles?
Dont you proofread your posts before and/or after posting?
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by JMAN05: 5:46pm On Aug 06
Sarassin:


Yes, we await the views of the very excellent Muttleyaff…..

I do agree with a lot of what you have posted, it seems clear that the anthropomorphic Jewish deity that is YHWH is incompatible with that of the more universal compassionate construct of the New Testament, I agree with the contrasts that you have made. There were quite a few early Christian fathers who clearly believed the same too, the likes of Marcion was completely convinced that the God of the OT simply could not be the God of the NT.

It is clear to see that a lot of Marcion’s doctrine found its way into Paul’s writings, in fact were it not for Marcion who collected, collated and distributed Paul’s writings, Paul would be largely unknown today. Isaac Newton was right of course, it is fair to say that the NT writings were significantly altered, we see the horrible curse in the apocalypse of John (Rev 22: 18-19) and of course the outburst of Paul himself in the Book of Galatians against those who in his view, were perverting the gospel, these demonstrate that even in the writers lifetimes their words were being altered, we know that Marcion as well as Polycarp heavily edited Paul’s writings, not to even mention the hundreds of biblical scribes and copyists.

It seems to me the NT has less to do with the inspiration of God and more to do with the assertions of Man.

You ve not replied to my post i guess.
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by kkins25(m): 6:05pm On Aug 06
MuttleyLaff:
I see you've taken my advice to tidy up your post
- the presentation is now better and no more a tangled mess

You're back on the queue. I'll get back to you, moment asap you get to the fore

Now dear friend, if you cant learn to be serious and open-minded
at least learn to be respectful to people
and stop yourself from name-calling others by using rude names like sir chicken
You're picking up bad habits from MrPresident1

Why are your posts always in bad styles?
Dont you proofread your posts before and/or after posting?
proofread when im using andriod?? how much would I earn??!!hahahaha... even with my tab writing posts is hectic.. chicken is not a rude name, its an expression
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by Sarassin: 6:16pm On Aug 06
MuttleyLaff:

My dear friend Sarassin, is elderly, and I can bet his kids would have said him and his madam, they've gone soft with age
That things they, his kids, wouldnt dare try with him and his madam, the grandkids are doing then and getting away with murder
(i.e. the grandkids are allowed to do things that they when growing up would've got punished or told off for doing same)

Elderly? you haven't seen me whizz down the street with my turbo-charged zimmer frame!

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Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by MuttleyLaff: 6:36pm On Aug 06
kkins25:
proofread when im using andriod?? how much would I earn??!!hahahaha...
even with my tab writing posts is hectic.. chicken is not a rude name, its an expression
Bah! This is part of the problems with you guys nowadays
Class is out of the window because of money
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by MuttleyLaff: 6:40pm On Aug 06
Sarassin:
Elderly? you haven't seen me whizz down the street with my turbo-charged zimmer frame!
You're a real class act
and your boy races doing fast and furious along the High Street pavements are legendary

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Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by kkins25(m): 6:43pm On Aug 06
MuttleyLaff:
Bah! This is part of the problems with you guys nowadays
Class is out of the window because of money
this is the same technique you used to dodge pastoraio debate (which you lost). you said you would reply but its still pending. sarassin is also awaiting your response. now you have added me to the que. its all right, take your time.
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by MuttleyLaff: 6:52pm On Aug 06
kkins25:
this is the same technique you used to dodge pastoraio debate (which you lost).
you said you would reply but its still pending.
sarassin is also awaiting your response. now you have added me to the que. its all right, take your time.
Dont worry young buck,
The chicken will shriek when the egg(s) is laid. Thank you.
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by Sarassin: 7:35pm On Aug 06
MuttleyLaff:


God is non-corporeal, so any anthropomorphism, anthropopathism and/or personifications used in the Bible or other literature in regards to God, are done in order to make sure the communicated messages gets across in a way that can be understood or related to

Agreed that God is incorporeal, I also accept your premise that any personifications of God are a method of getting attributes or messages across to humanity in a manner that can be understood. The issue then becomes one of; who is making the attributions? How subjective are these attributions and what are the limitations of the person/s making these attributions of God?

Surely it has to be that God cannot be understood or related to?

In the Bhagavad Gita (Chap 11 v 10) Arjuna is granted Divine vision by Lord Krishna in order to experience God, he said; [i]If hundreds of thousands of suns rose up at once into the sky, they might resemble the effulgence of the Supreme Person in that universal form.[/i]In one aspect.

This was written thousands of years ago yet we are no closer to understanding the reality of God.

MuttleyLaff:


What both you say, about the idiosyncrasies of God of Genesis chapter 1, and the LORD God of Genesis chapter 2 - chapter 3?

Have you and kkins25 noticed, the done on purpose usages of just God in Chapter 1, LORD God in chapter 2 and chapter 3
and then the deliberate singular usage of Lord or God in subsequent chapters to Genesis chapter 1, chapter 2 - chapter 3?
This interchanging usage of God, LORD God, Lord and God goes on from Genesis chapter 1 right up to Genesis chapter 9 and beyond.

Yes, I had noticed. I have long put this down to the multiplicity of the authorship of the Book of Genesis.

MuttleyLaff:

You know, as well as I do, that, bible original text translations arent necessarily God inspired

Yes my friend, I know it, and so do you. The question is do the rank and file know it?

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