LionDeLeo:


Now, what exactly is your argument? Cos I'm not really understanding.

That they did not explain the meaning of "of" or that the "o" is not "of" but "order"?

this should explain

Friedyokes:
okay see what you are doing ...you are explaining to me ...my point is that they didn't ...which leads me to believe that they did not know and if they did not know ...the 'of' which we were taught in the manner we were taught does not relate to multiplication or square root or powers...which makes them wrong

LionDeLeo:


Now, what exactly is your argument? Cos I'm not really understanding.

That they did not explain the meaning of "of" or that the "o" is not "of" but "order"?

you are saying 'of' means multiplication they taught 'of' to mean nothing

Friedyokes:
this should explain

My point is that the use of "of" rather than "order", is not incorrect. It can be defended.

I'm not trying to hold brief for the ignorance or knowledge of teachers.

Friedyokes:
you are saying 'of' means multiplication they taught 'of' to mean nothing

As I have stated, my point is not to argue if they explained it or not.

What I'm saying is that the use of "of" in bodmas is not out of place.

Agreed, they may not know the exact meaning.

LionDeLeo:


My point is that the use of "of" rather than "order", is not incorrect. It can be defended.

I'm not trying to hold brief for the ignorance or knowledge of teachers.

the picture is saying the 'OF' as we were taught and as we understand is not what is ...if we were told 'OF' as u said means square root multiplication and powers ...do u think anyone wouldve disputed it

LionDeLeo:


As I have stated, my point is not to argue if they explained it or not.

What I'm saying is that the use of "of" in bodmas is not out of place.

Agreed, they may not know the exact meaning.

okay then

Ur one of the few people who have given me an intelligent argument and that's cool

Friedyokes:
the picture is saying the 'OF' as we were taught and as we understand is not what is ...if we were told 'OF' as u said means square root multiplication and powers ...do u think anyone wouldve disputed it

You are still not getting my point.

My point is that, "of" in that acronym is not out of place, regardless of whichever way it was explained.

Friedyokes:
okay then

Ur one of the few people who have given me an intelligent argument and that's cool

Thanks bro.

Infact, you held me throughout the night, it's almost daybreak here.

Different time zone.

Cheers.

LionDeLeo:


Example pls.

As in come up with that complex mathematics solvable with BODMAS that cannot be solved without complying to the BODMAS order.

Meanwhile, I repeat, BODMAS is nothing but aid to memory.

Na lie. Some arithmetical problems require that you add before subtracting. Or that you solve the ones in bracket before moving on to the next.
I repeat it's not just a memory aid.

LionDeLeo:


Then, I ask again, what exactly is the difference between "order" and "of" in mathematics context?

But let me answer that.

In principle, no difference.

How?

Example;

4^3 implies 4 to the power of 3 or the "order" in which 4 should be multiplied by itself is 3.

How do you do that?

4×4×4=64. Is this not multiplication (of)?

with all due respect, I think your logic is flawed..

how do you translate 4½(four to the power of ½)

LionDeLeo:

But I assure you, if you have cases involving several multiplication, addition and subtraction, I can solve them in which ever order without necessarily taking BODMAS into cognisance.

Gee..ah tek God beg u,beta lock up n stop disgracing yosef...

Are u trying to say

4 × 2 + 1= 8 + 1 =9 (taking multiplication first)
&
4 × 2 + 1= 5 × 2 = 10 (taking addition first)

Is dsame SMH

phililp:


literate..

"of" means multiplication in maths
"order" tells you what to do first

Order? What to do first,
Are u serious atal

pass111:


with all due respect, I think your logic is flawed..

how do you translate 4½(four to the power of ½)

He is right, Dats what order means,
I guess you know 4^1/2 is the square root of 4,
Thats the order of 1/2
Lets not argue blindly you don't have to be a genius to know that

LionDeLeo:


Example pls.

As in come up with that complex mathematics solvable with BODMAS that cannot be solved without complying to the BODMAS order.

Meanwhile, I repeat, BODMAS is nothing but aid to memory.

I don't know if u are serious with that
But 2*2-2 won't give u same answer

Mightyraw:

I don't know if u are serious with that
But 2*2-2 won't give u same answer

8×3-12÷2+(3+4)-3+7.

Bodmas says this should be solved in this order; bracket, of (order), division, multiplication, addition and subtraction.

My own solution, starting from the left;

8×3= 24 (multiplication)

-12÷2=-6 (division)

3+4=7 (bracket)

-3+7=4 (addition)

Now, 24-6+(7)+4

Finally,

24-6+7+4=29

I did not comply with BODMAS.

Now, apply BODMAS to prove me wrong.

LionDeLeo:


8×3-12÷2+(3+4)-3+7.

Bodmas says this should be solved in this order; bracket, of (order), division, multiplication, addition and subtraction.

My own solution, starting from the left;

8×3= 24 (multiplication)

-12÷2=-6 (division)

3+4=7 (bracket)

-3+7=4 (addition)

Now, 24-6+(7)+4

Finally,

24-6+7+4=29

I did not comply with BODMAS.

Now, apply BODMAS to prove me wrong.

Lol, why say - 2÷12
U don't have to manipulate to prove a point

Mightyraw:

Lol, why say - 2÷12
U don't have to manipulate to prove a point

Where is the manipulation? I hope you understands numbers.

Moreover, where did you see -2÷12? Not as if it is wrong if there is the need.

If you have a calculator, type -12÷2, and tell me if it wouldn't provide you with appropriate results.

Once again, as I have earlier stated in this thread, BODMAS is an aid to to memory for primary school children, not a formula.

And once you have the basic understanding of numbers, knowledge of BODMAS is not of any use.

B4 I go, note, 5-3 is same as -3+5

3-5×2 is same as 3+ (-5×2) and so on.

nigeria teachers nawa o

LionDeLeo:


Where is the manipulation? I hope you understands numbers.

Moreover, where did you see -2÷12? Not as if it is wrong if there is the need.

If you have a calculator, type -12÷2, and tell me if it wouldn't provide you with appropriate results.

Once again, as I have earlier stated in this thread, BODMAS is an aid to to memory for primary school children, not a formula.

And once you have the basic understanding of numbers, knowledge of BODMAS is not of any use.

B4 I go, note, 5-3 is same as -3+5

3-5×2 is same as 3+ (-5×2) and so on.

These ain't new to no one I guess u know,
If not for BODMAS u cud av done that has (3-5) *2

Mightyraw:

These ain't new to no one I guess u know,
If not for BODMAS u cud av done that has (3-5) *2

Get my argument clearly. I'm not undermining BODMAS.

My argument is that, it is AN AID TO MEMORY, not a formula.

The second aspect of my argument is that a simple mathematical expression can be simplified without necessarily complying with the order provided by BODMAS as I have demonstrated in that little analysis.

I may decide to solve multiplication before division while subtraction may still be resolved ahead of addition. Also, bracket may even come last if I want, as long as I comply with the basic principles of number manipulation. I have demonstrated all these with examples, what else do you want?

LionDeLeo and Friedyokes should come and shake hands in the spirit of sportsmanship.
It is very clear that once you understands how number works you don't need to follow BODMAS.
Both of you gave very intelligent and logical defence.
All these other Efiko wannabes is clear that they are yet to understand the primary basics of numbers

cornelin:
LionDeLeo and Friedyokes should come and shake hands in the spirit of sportsmanship.
It is very clear that once you understands how number works you don't need to follow BODMAS.
Both of you gave very intelligent and logical defence.
All these other Efiko wannabes is clear that they are yet to understand the primary basics of numbers

Thank you bro.

God bless.

I'm happy that someone is out there who understands my argument.

phililp:


literate..

"of" means multiplication in maths
"order" tells you what to do first

Order tells you what to do first lol. Lemme finish laughing first, hahahahahahaha. N u were busy arguing up and downn calling people 'dump ass'.

Mightyraw:
He is right, Dats what order means, I guess you know 4^1/2 is the square root of 4, Thats the order of 1/2 Lets not argue blindly you don't have to be a genius to know that

My question was not answered

pass111:


My question was not answered

which question

Friedyokes:
you have to agree that math of this grade is considered high in the primary/js level where bodmas is being taught ...people with higher education may find it easier to calculate ....but then this is what is being taught to children ...and the point for creating bodmas was to simply it for children ...so would you say telling children that the 'O' means of while it means order(powers and square root) is right? which was the point of the picture

X raised to the power "of" y

Square root "of" x

Now that is the kind of "of" I was taught in primary school and it's correct

Friedyokes:
SOLVE THESE AND DO NOT USE BODMAS

THEN TELL ME THE ANSWER

30÷-5+4×-2+14=?

1+2×5=?





Nd for clarification bodmas is a rule that shows the order to which mathematical operations are carried out so the misinterpretation of that 'O' by teachers was wrong

X raised to the power "of" y

Square root "of" x

Now that is the kind of "of" I was taught in primary school and it's correct

phililp:


am getting outta here... u need sense bros... am still saying it.. apostle suleman gives it for free.

X raised to the power "of" y

Square root "of" x

Now that is the kind of "of" I was taught in primary school and it's correct

centK:
Seriously we need more than an apology, this is an eye opener anyways, guess there are more to things like this

X raised to the power "of" y

Square root "of" x

Now that is the kind of "of" I was taught in primary school and it's correct


The most suited word is exponentiation

LionDeLeo:



4×-2=-8
30÷-5=-6
+14
Now -8-6+14=0

Note, I performed multiplication b4 division (against BODMAS).

Second case, of course 5 & 2 must be multiplied first before adding to 1.

But I assure you, if you have cases involving several multiplication, addition and subtraction, I can solve them in which ever order without necessarily taking BODMAS into cognisance.

I repeat, BODMAS is simply a way of reminding you in case you forget, nothing more. It is not a formula.

Meanwhile, is this a complex math?

Do you even call this math?

Go and find out the difference between math and arithmetic.

I was expecting something like one complex integral calculus.

Dude, math is an important tool in my field of study and practice.

I assume this is an educational section so no offense...
I want to point Out that BODMAS/BOMDAS/PEDMAS
Are thesame, it doesn't matter if M happens b4 D...
we talking simple arithmetic, and yes bodmas is an important rule..

cornelin:
LionDeLeo and Friedyokes should come and shake hands in the spirit of sportsmanship.
It is very clear that once you understands how number works you don't need to follow BODMAS.
Both of you gave very intelligent and logical defence.
All these other Efiko wannabes is clear that they are yet to understand the primary basics of numbers

Even he does follow bodmas...
Understanding maths is understanding bodmas...
Its not like you need to put it to memory or something... when you know your numbers , you just know them .... we call that knowledge of operations...BODMAS