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A Sick Christian Can Die During Ramadan? by plappville(f): 6:07am On Jun 08, 2017
A young Christian man became very sick and had to go to the hospital. He was dying of suffocation and may have been able to be saved, but the Muslim doctors at the hospital refused to help him. Their answer was that because he was a sanitation worker and a Christian, his body was “dirty,” and they did not want to make themselves ritually impure for Ramadan, so they let him die instead:



A young Christian sanitary worker, who fell unconscious due to suffocation while cleaning a drain, died after Muslim doctors in a hospital refused to touch his dirty body as they were fasting, according to local media.

The worker, identified as Irfan Masih, along with three other sanitary workers of the local municipality, were taken to Civil Hospital in the town of Umerkot in the Sindh province on Friday, but the Muslim doctors refused to treat them until their bodies were washed, according to Pakistan’s Dawn newspaper, which spoke to the victim’s brother, Parvez.

“My brother died during the process of cleansing the filth from his body,” Parvez was quoted as saying.

The doctors were observing a fast due to the holy month of Ramadan. The three other workers were moved to another hospital for treatment.

Municipality workers and local Christians staged a demonstration with the victim’s body outside the local press club. The victim’s father has filed a police complaint against the doctors.

A nonprofit group, Pak Center for Law and Justice, called the incident an “example of prejudice and hatred which Pakistani Christians are facing.”

In April, a 20-year-old Christian sanitation worker was shot dead in Sheikhupura area in Punjab province after he refused to clean an “influential” Muslim’s house because he didn’t want to work on Sunday.

The victim, Noman Munir Masih, had refused to sweep the outhouse of a local Muslim, identified as Daanu Chaddar, who then threatened to “break his legs and riddle his body with bullets.”

Masih was later gunned down by two men, who were on motorbikes, while he was walking on a street.

Christian rights activist Napolean Qayyum commented at the time, “Many Muslims find it hard to accept refusal by a ‘lowly’ Christian. This is not the first time a Christian sanitary worker has been killed or subjected to violence for refusing to comply with unjust demands of persons from the Muslim majority. The situation won’t change for the better for Christian street sweepers and sanitation workers until the state realizes its responsibility toward all citizens regardless of their faith, caste and creed.”

Christians account for 90 percent of sewage workers and an even higher percentage of sweepers in Pakistan, according to the activist.


Source: http://shoebat.com/2017/06/06/muslim-doctors-refuse-to-help-dying-christian-man-in-desperate-need-of-medical-attention-say-he-is-dirty-and-we-do-not-want-to-soil-our-hands-during-ramadan/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+shoebat+%28Walid+Shoebat%29

Re: A Sick Christian Can Die During Ramadan? by plappville(f): 6:14am On Jun 08, 2017
Muhammad Instructed Muslims to do this wicked thing during Their fabricated feast called ramadan. A feast for the mo.on god. Now see what Jeaus did dueing the all SABBATH of the Creator of the Universe.

Mark 3:1-6

Jesus Heals on the Sabbath
3 Another time Jesus went into the synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. 2 Some of them were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal him on the Sabbath. 3 Jesus said to the man with the shriveled hand, “Stand up in front of everyone.”

4 Then Jesus asked them, “Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they remained silent.

5 He looked around at them in anger and, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts, said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out, and his hand was completely restored. 6 Then the Pharisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus.


The Quest in bold Jeaus is asking You Muslims today. Now give us your Answer. angry

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Re: A Sick Christian Can Die During Ramadan? by smithmadu(m): 6:17am On Jun 08, 2017
This is really bad embarassed
Re: A Sick Christian Can Die During Ramadan? by Amberon11: 12:38pm On Jun 08, 2017
undecided
Re: A Sick Christian Can Die During Ramadan? by alBHAGDADI: 12:55pm On Jun 08, 2017
4 Then Jesus asked them, “Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they remained silent.
aminusanti udatso empiree abdelkabir rilwayne001

This question is for you:

Which is lawful during ramadan: to do good or to do evil like the doctors in the OP?
Re: A Sick Christian Can Die During Ramadan? by plappville(f): 5:31pm On Jun 08, 2017
smithmadu:
This is really bad embarassed

Honestly, i couldn't believe Some Muslims can go this far for allah. angry


Pure wickedness!
Re: A Sick Christian Can Die During Ramadan? by plappville(f): 5:34pm On Jun 08, 2017
alBHAGDADI:
aminusanti udatso empiree abdelkabir rilwayne001

This question is for you:

Which is lawful during ramadan: to do good or to do evil like the doctors in the OP?

They will not appear in this kind of thread. Empiree will even curse you will allah. He is wishing his allah should hurt me. cheesy
Re: A Sick Christian Can Die During Ramadan? by Riduane: 8:13pm On Jun 08, 2017
alBHAGDADI:


This question is for you:

Which is lawful during ramadan: to do good or to do evil like the doctors in the OP?
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to do good always!
Re: A Sick Christian Can Die During Ramadan? by plappville(f): 9:28pm On Jun 08, 2017
Riduane:
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to do good always!

God bless you. Are you a Muslim?
Re: A Sick Christian Can Die During Ramadan? by Riduane: 3:40am On Jun 09, 2017
plappville:


God bless you. Are you a Muslim?

Yes i am.
Re: A Sick Christian Can Die During Ramadan? by plappville(f): 10:29am On Jun 09, 2017
Riduane:


Yes i am.

I must tell you the truth, you have Love for the true God without knowing. Seeing evil as evil is a way of emulating God. Many NL muslims do side this kind of evil just to prove they are good muslims.

You have not prove that Islam is peaceful, but that the compassion that kindled within ur heart transcended the evil teachings of Islam. You have neglected the hate Islam taught you and spoke righteously. Believe me, this is done by the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel through You. It has no image of Islam. The true image of islam is the character of the doctors in the OP.
Re: A Sick Christian Can Die During Ramadan? by Riduane: 10:58am On Jun 09, 2017
plappville:


I must tell you the truth, you have Love for the true God without knowing. Seeing evil as evil is a way of emulating God. Many NL muslims do side this kind of evil just to prove they are good muslims.

You have not prove that Islam is peaceful, but that the compassion that kindled within ur heart transcended the evil teachings of Islam..
It appears you know everything about islam.

Is there any teaching of Islam where it is said that helping a non Muslim amounts to going to hell?

You have neglected the hate Islam taught you and spoke righteously. Believe me, this is done by the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel through You..

How about those that don't believe in the existence of God that exhibit such traits ?


It has no image of Islam. The true image of islam is the character of the doctors in the OP.
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in the first place the authenticity of the story cannot be determined as the source is known to be a Muslim hater. This might just be another trick to exhibit his hatred for islam. Why don't you provide an unbias source ?

Besides, if the story was true, the doctor didn't exhibit anything islam stand for.

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Re: A Sick Christian Can Die During Ramadan? by alBHAGDADI: 11:51am On Jun 09, 2017
Riduane:

It appears you know everything about islam.

Yes, she does, while you don't. Perhaps you do, but decided to lie about it.

Riduane:

Is there any teaching of Islam where it is said that helping a non Muslim amounts to going to hell?

It is not categorically stated, but it is clearly implied. Ask yourself, what is Islam? You Muslims say Islam means "submit to the will of allah''. When one does such, he or she becomes a Muslim.

Now, what happens when. you don't do the will of Allah? You become a non-muslim or nonbeliever and eligible for hell fire.

The will of Allah that the Muslims doctors submitted to is clearly written in the Quran. Look below.

Quran 9:123

Sahih International: O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you HARSHNESS. And know that Allah is with the righteous.


Now, the doctors decided to obey Allah's words to be HARSH to nonbelievers in order for them to avoid hell. If they disobey Allah's revelation, they become an unbeliever eligible for hell fire.


Quran (4:56) - Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise
Riduane:

How about those that don't believe in the existence of God that exhibit such traits ?


It is that little portion of their heart that still yearn for God that makes them do good.
Riduane:

in the first place the authenticity of the story cannot be determined as the source is known to be a Muslim hater. This might just be another trick to exhibit his hatred for islam. Why don't you provide an unbias source ?
Like or not, such news agencies will be the one publishing such stories as long as the mainstream media like CNN and BBC keep looking the other way.
Riduane:

Besides, if the story was true, the doctor didn't exhibit anything islam stand for.
Tell what the doctors did that is quite different from what allah and Mohammad commanded.

Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are HARD (ruthless) against the disbelievers and MERCIFUL among themselves"

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Re: A Sick Christian Can Die During Ramadan? by plappville(f): 4:41pm On Jun 09, 2017
Riduane:

It appears you know everything about islam.

Is there any teaching of Islam where it is said that helping a non Muslim amounts to going to hell?

Going to hell I do not know. But i know the Quran teaches that Muslims should not take the infidels/kurfins for friends. Which means infidels are enemies of Muslims. If someone is your enemy, its most normal to wish him death. This DoctoR has manifested what he learned from the Kuran.

what do you do with the undisputed texts of the qoran, such as “Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist [or reject submission to] Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred… “O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors…” [Koran 58:22 and 5:51.
What do you do with such a verse? What do you do with all the killing and hate instructions from Muhammed?



How about those that don't believe in the existence of God that exhibit such traits ?

Valide for Atheist.



in the first place the authenticity of the story cannot be determined as the source is known to be a Muslim hater. This might just be another trick to exhibit his hatred for islam. Why don't you provide an unbias source ?

Have you asked yourself why are there so much Islam haters? This is because Muslims hate others. They prove it by killing without pity. They follow the Quran/Hadiths to its letters. If you really want to prove the source is not authentic, google is ur friend. You can refute it. A friend posted an Islamist terrorist video on my Skype page. I did a research and discovered that it was an authentic video but old and the location He tagged was wrong. I adviced him to be careful of what she spread. We know that Islam continue to do havoc each passing day, that doesnt means we should spread fake news. There is enough authentic news to share about Islam in social media.


Besides, if the story was true, the doctor didn't exhibit anything islam stand for.

Try and be truthful to yourself na. Haba! The Doctor is a true Muslim like ISIS. They follow Muhammad's teaching. I dont need to start proving that again. You have already got verses from @alBHAGDADI. Needless posting more.
Re: A Sick Christian Can Die During Ramadan? by plappville(f): 4:46pm On Jun 09, 2017
alBHAGDADI:
Yes, she does, while you don't. Perhaps you do, but decided to lie about it.




Exactly.
Re: A Sick Christian Can Die During Ramadan? by plappville(f): 5:05pm On Jun 09, 2017
Riduane:

It appears you know everything about islam.

Is there any teaching of Islam where it is said that helping a non Muslim amounts to going to hell?



How about those that don't believe in the existence of God that exhibit such traits ?


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in the first place the authenticity of the story cannot be determined as the source is known to be a Muslim hater. This might just be another trick to exhibit his hatred for islam. Why don't you provide an unbias source ?

Besides, if the story was true, the doctor didn't exhibit anything islam stand for.

Check this thread and see if you can refute the daily news of How Muslims kill each other and others each passing day.

https://www.nairaland.com/3751379/same-religion-same-god-same/3#57356589
Re: A Sick Christian Can Die During Ramadan? by Riduane: 8:38pm On Jun 09, 2017
alBHAGDADI:
Yes, she does, while you don't.

Did she attend any Islamic or Arabic class ? What qualification does she have in Arabic and Islamic studies ?

Perhaps you do, but decided to lie about it.

There's no point lying about what i bbelieve.

It is not categorically stated, but it is clearly implied.

Thank you for admitting it wasn't categorically stated. The fact that it wasn't categorically stated shows that it doesn't exist and cannot be substantiated. Your assumption that it is implied doesn't mean anything tangible and thereby remain useless unless you are a scholar that is well versed in Arabic and Islamic matters. Even being a scholar doesn't make your interpretation true. For instance, if i ask you where Trinity was mentioning in the Bible, you would put up the same reply as above: that 'it wasn't categorically stated but was implied'. This doesn't make your assumption true because we have Christians that will agree that it was not categorically stated neither was it implied. Compare also the case of thinking Mary to be mother of god and disagree that sheis. You should get my point then.


Ask yourself, what is Islam? You Muslims say Islam means "submit to the will of allah''. When one does such, he or she becomes a Muslithe Now, what happens when. you don't do the will of Allah? You become a non-muslim or nonbeliever and eligible for hell fire. The will of Allah that the Muslims doctors submitted to is clearly written in the Quran.

No. You are not a scholar and yet you are quick to make resolutions on matter of Islam. This is not how things are being done. As i am not a Christian, i cannot just come out and started acting like a theologian on matters of the Bible. It doesn't work like that.

On the above quote of yours, the will of Allah for non believers particularly those that do not fight the Muslims neither drive them out their home is to show them kindness and deal justly with them. what could be more clearer than this?




Look belothiQuran 9:123Sahih International: O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you HARSHNESS. And know that Allah is with the righteous.

This was a time of war. The beginning of this chapter is a pointer to that. And in a time of war you don't expect softness.
Besides, in the OT, we have moses and other prophets being commanded to be harsh towards unbelievers. So this verse is more like the OT. It's now a bygone smiley


Now, the doctors decided to obey Allah's words to be HARSH to nonbelievers in order for them to avoid hell. If they disobey Allah's revelation, they become an unbeliever eligible for hell firquotQuran (4:56) - Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise

With the explanation so far, there's no need going back to this.


It is that little portion of their heart that still yearn for God that makes them do good.
Like or not, such news agencies will be the one publishing such stories as long as the mainstream media like CNN and BBC keep looking the other way.

Still doesn't change the fact that it is a bias site. And im 80% sure the story is not genuine.


Tell what the doctors did that is quite different from what allah and Mohammad commanded. Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are HARD (ruthless) against the disbelievers and MERCIFUL among themselves"
Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Note that historical context is attached to the verses above and so cannot be taken as eternal law, just like the OT and NT..

Salaam.

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Re: A Sick Christian Can Die During Ramadan? by alBHAGDADI: 11:01am On Jun 10, 2017
Riduane:


Did she attend any Islamic or Arabic class ? What qualification does she have in Arabic and Islamic studies ?



There's no point lying about what i bbelieve.



Thank you for admitting it wasn't categorically stated. The fact that it wasn't categorically stated shows that it doesn't exist and cannot be substantiated. Your assumption that it is implied doesn't mean anything tangible and thereby remain useless unless you are a scholar that is well versed in Arabic and Islamic matters. Even being a scholar doesn't make your interpretation true. For instance, if i ask you where Trinity was mentioning in the Bible, you would put up the same reply as above: that 'it wasn't categorically stated but was implied'. This doesn't make your assumption true because we have Christians that will agree that it was not categorically stated neither was it implied. Compare also the case of thinking Mary to be mother of god and disagree that sheis. You should get my point then.




No. You are not a scholar and yet you are quick to make resolutions on matter of Islam. This is not how things are being done. As i am not a Christian, i cannot just come out and started acting like a theologian on matters of the Bible. It doesn't work like that.

On the above quote of yours, the will of Allah for non believers particularly those that do not fight the Muslims neither drive them out their home is to show them kindness and deal justly with them. what could be more clearer than this?






This was a time of war. The beginning of this chapter is a pointer to that. And in a time of war you don't expect softness.
Besides, in the OT, we have moses and other prophets being commanded to be harsh towards unbelievers. So this verse is more like the OT. It's now a bygone smiley




With the explanation so far, there's no need going back to this.




Still doesn't change the fact that it is a bias site. And im 80% sure the story is not genuine.




Note that historical context is attached to the verses above and so cannot be taken as eternal law, just like the OT and NT..

Salaam.
Wow!

What's with Muslims and the talk of being a scholar before you can understand the Quran? I thought you guys said the Quran is easy to read and understand. How come I have to become a scholar before I can read and understand it? This clearly shows that Allah's words are either incoherent or should have remained in the 7th century.

I quoted verses that clearly show Allahs command to Muslims concerning nonbelievers, yet you claim they were during the time when Muslims were at war and are no more applicable in modern days. Alright, show me where Allah told Muslims to LOVE unbelievers. mind you, I said LOVE UNBELIEVERS. You can never find such in the Quran nor hadiths. What you'll rather find are harsh words against the nonbelievers, collecting of jizya from them, kidnapping the little girls and raping them etc.

You are quick to use the OT to support Quran's barbarism, but what you failed to understand is that Israel operated as a nation with constitution that needs to defend itself against your Arab ancestors who kept trying to erase them from the face of the earth, just as Arabs of today are doing. God had to protect them so that they won't be wiped out before the Messiah who will save the world is born.

Now, is Islam a nation that it had to keep fighting others? You claim Islam only fights in self defense. Did Spain and Portugal offend you Muslims before you invaded those countries with the sword? Did North Africa offend Islam before Arabs crossed in and wiped out the blacks that were there and replaced them with Arabs?

I ask you again, show me where allah says he loves unbelievers and where he ordered Muslims to LOVE unbelievers. Note, I mean LOVE.
Re: A Sick Christian Can Die During Ramadan? by plappville(f): 12:38pm On Jun 10, 2017
alBHAGDADI:
Wow!


You are quick to use the OT to support Quran's barbarism, but what you failed to understand is that Israel operated as a nation with constitution that needs to defend itself against your Arab ancestors who kept trying to erase them from the face of the earth, just as Arabs of today are doing. God had to protect them so that they won't be wiped out before the Messiah who will save the world is born.

Very right word used. Arab ancestors trying to erase ISRAEL. And till date, they are still trying hard to achieve this AIM. I could remember vividly well in 2005, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, during a meeting with protesting students at Iran's Interior Ministry, quoted a remark from "Ayatollah Khomeini", founder of Iran's Islamic revolution, that Israel "must be wiped out from the map of the world." If their ancestors failed, they of this generation and generation to come will surely fail.
The Israeli prime minister said early this year that Iran wrote on its nuclear that " This is to wipe Israel out feom the surface of the earth" dont know how true is this. But History had shown how despirate the Arabs are to destroy Israel. They will fail. Gods promise stands.
Re: A Sick Christian Can Die During Ramadan? by plappville(f): 2:27pm On Jun 17, 2017
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