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Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by Martinez19(m): 9:27am On Jun 30, 2017 |
Hairyrapunzel:*facepalms * women are not permitted to teach in A CHURCH GATHERING o. they are to remain silent and if they have any question they are to ask their spouse at home. It seems you are hell bent on supporting women preachers rather than open mindedness. 1 corinthians 14 :34-35 and 1 corinthians 14:37-38 are not rocket sciences, just say you no wan accept. Explain those verses without insulting my intelligence. |
Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by Martinez19(m): 9:31am On Jun 30, 2017 |
Hairyrapunzel:Answer my question. You have cherry-picked out of two contradictory statements. Answer my questions. |
Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by Hairyrapunzel: 9:36am On Jun 30, 2017 |
Martinez19: That verse says speak so if a woman should not speak that includes speaking in tongues or prophesying in church also which you said a woman can do |
Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by Hairyrapunzel: 9:43am On Jun 30, 2017 |
Martinez19:Cherry picking ke. You said preaching and teaching are different things your said bible said teach. So I asked also where bible said women preaching or being pastors is a sin? Women are free people in Christ and there is only one body in Christ so why will Christ give better privileges to men then abandon women. A woman teaching in churches does not mean she is exercising authority over any man. |
Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by Martinez19(m): 9:55am On Jun 30, 2017 |
Hairyrapunzel:teaching by women is no sin but they are not permitted to teach in A CHURCH GATHERING. Why is that hard to understand. The teaching the bible talks about is the teaching of God's Word in a church gathering. See, I am frustrated at arguing with you, soothe thy self. |
Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by Hairyrapunzel: 10:02am On Jun 30, 2017 |
Martinez19:But they are permitted to preach in churches right? we are both looking at the bible literally right? |
Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by Hairyrapunzel: 10:06am On Jun 30, 2017 |
Martinez19: Thank God you have said it is no sin for women to teach in churches. |
Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by Martinez19(m): 10:28am On Jun 30, 2017 |
Hairyrapunzel:*facepalms * no they are not. What do you yourself mean by preaching? All I know is that women are not allowed to teach God's Word in a church gathering. You want to use preach as an avenue to permit female teachers. I see you |
Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by Hairyrapunzel: 2:14pm On Jun 30, 2017 |
Martinez19: What sin is committed by women teaching the word of God in the church? |
Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by Hairyrapunzel: 5:32pm On Jun 30, 2017 |
Jman05 where are you? are you still researching? |
Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by Martinez19(m): 5:42pm On Jun 30, 2017 |
Hairyrapunzel:it is no sin but it is not permitted. Good bye. |
Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by Hairyrapunzel: 5:44pm On Jun 30, 2017 |
Martinez19: Thank God you said it isn't a sin |
Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by Hairyrapunzel: 5:47pm On Jun 30, 2017 |
Martinez19: It is not permitted by who? |
Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by Martinez19(m): 5:59pm On Jun 30, 2017 |
Hairyrapunzel:God. Deviating from God's instruction is a sin. When I said it's no sin for a woman to teach, I meant that it not such a bad thing or offense. In the light of God's Word, they are not to teach. 1 corinthians 14 :37-38. Paul stated this instruction to be God's command and that if anyone won't regard it then such a person should not be regarded. Again read 1 corinthians 14 :37-38. |
Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by Nobody: 6:27pm On Jun 30, 2017 |
JMAN05:I don't detest to women teaching in churches. But this is why I should... Rev.2:20-21; Notwithstanding I have a few things against you, because you suffer that woman Jezebel, which calls herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed to idols. 21. And I gave her space repent of her fornication; and she repented not. You see, it's not a crime or sin 4 them to teach in churches, provided they arey are not in seductive apparels. some women teachers in churches today are very carnal. They way they dress and walk etc. They are very sensual and not morally accepted by Jesus. |
Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by Nobody: 6:23am On Jul 01, 2017 |
Hairyrapunzel: You didn't answer the question. |
Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by MuttleyLaff: 8:47am On Jul 01, 2017 |
Hairyrapunzel:Had not being corrupted or defiled by the world and not, had not being defiled by women Hairyrapunzel:The bible doesnt states whether they are all males, all female or male and female so I wonder how about this claim that the bible clearly states that it is only ''virgin'' men Hairyrapunzel: JMAN05:Not following you on this Care to elaborate what you're trying to get at with this? JMAN05:Gods arrangement is that women not INCORRECTLY exercise authority over a man or INCORRECTLY teach in the congregation. Do you accept that Zipporah CLEARLY & CORRECTLY exercised authority over a man called Moses? JMAN05:27Just then his disciples came back. They were shocked to find him talking to a woman, but none of them had the nerve to ask, "What do you want with her?" or "Why are you talking to her?" 28Then the woman left her water jar, went back into the town, and said to the men - John 4:27-28 Bro please go to re-read John 4:4-30, that John 4:27-28 above is just an eye-opener to an insight Now do you really think that Jesus, in John 4:4-30, went to such great lengths and singled out the ''woman'' for her to internalise the impartation of knowledge she received 1 Like |
Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by Hairyrapunzel: 3:16pm On Jul 01, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff:The bible specifically said those who have not been defiled by women and were virgins what translation of the bible do you use? Revelation 14:3-4. 3 They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed[c] from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb So since the 144000 were undefiled by women an were virgins So you are saying women could defile women in the bible? |
Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by Hairyrapunzel: 3:33pm On Jul 01, 2017 |
JMAN05: After two days welcome back I asked my question first so answer |
Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by Nobody: 6:52pm On Jul 01, 2017 |
Hairyrapunzel: When u are serious, i will know. 1 Like |
Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by Hier(m): 7:18pm On Jul 01, 2017 |
Martinez19: You mean the same YouTube that would tell me anything that someone made up or fabricated |
Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by Nobody: 7:23pm On Jul 01, 2017 |
true2god: Again, you are ill-informed. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by Nobody: 7:29pm On Jul 01, 2017 |
true2god: 1tim 2:11-12 11 Let a woman learn in silence with full submissiveness. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, but she is to remain silent 1 Like |
Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by Nobody: 7:33pm On Jul 01, 2017 |
asuustrike2009: Fuel is not finished, he wants to sidetrack the discussion. His aim is seen when he refuse to answer a question that directly shows the illogicality of his question. Let him answer it cos therein lies the answer he is searching for. 1 Like |
Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by Nobody: 7:38pm On Jul 01, 2017 |
JMAN05:Hahaaaaaaaaaa |
Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by Hier(m): 7:42pm On Jul 01, 2017 |
JMAN05: I think am understanding what Paul is saying from here, and that's what am going with. The op clearly stated, whats our opinion about women pastoring churches, my geniune answer is, woman can hold pastoral offices and not apostolic mantles. |
Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by GodsMopol: 7:58pm On Jul 01, 2017 |
asuustrike2009: thanks for the insight sir |
Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by luvmijeje(f): 9:17pm On Jul 01, 2017 |
JMAN05: So you know how to quote scriptures. Let me join the argument. Hopefully you won't rain insult on me on this. In the same book of 1st Timothy 2:4 which says 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. Is women included in this statement? In the same book of 1st Timothy 2:11-12 that you quoted which says 11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. Now my questions : Sir, can a man exercise authority over someone's else wife? Sir, can a man delegate an authority to someone's else wife? Sir, can a man exercise authority over someone's daughter? Can a husband delegate authority to his wife? You can see I'm using Sir, there's no need for insult if you're sure of yourself. |
Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by Nobody: 9:34pm On Jul 01, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: The issue is about spiritual shepherd. I don't see how the reference applies. When with due care & attention you read 1 Tim 2:11-12 in conjunction with 1 Tim 2:13-15 you'll see and find that this is a needless worry and sounding an unfounded alarm about female pastors You seem to be dividing "over" between teach and authority. This isn't the right way of understanding the verse. Secondly, if I understand you, your point is that teaching as referred to in that verse refers to teaching falsehood over a man. While it would be wrong for a woman to teach falsehood, there is no way we could understand Paul's writing to imply such. If that were so, the command would have been that "women shouldn't exercise authority over the congregation". Limiting the counsel to men won't be plausible. And such counsel would have been given to men too cos it won't be directed to women as if they are the only gender capable of teaching falsehood. We read : 8-12 8 So I desire that in every place the men carry on prayer, lifting up loyal hands, without anger and debates. 9 Likewise, the women should adorn themselves in appropriate dress, with modesty and soundness of mind, not with styles of hair braiding and gold or pearls or very expensive clothing, 10 but in the way that is proper for women professing devotion to God, namely, through good works. 11 Let a woman learn in silence with full submissiveness. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, but she is to remain silent." Verse 8, shows the work men should perform in the congregation. Verse 9, he says "likewise, the women should..." That is a switch to another gender in assigning responsibility. The advise is for a christian meeting, a church service. It appears that some women in the first century were of the habit of challenging the authority of men during 'church service'. No doubt that is why he said that this is what should happen without "anger and debates". David, in 1 Samuel 25 learned so much from another woman Such was exemplary women in the bible. It shows that women do have some among them with good qualities. Some of them do have teaching skills. They could give good advise. These are not in dispute here, no. The issue here is how a christian service should run. The men take the lead in prayer and in teaching the flock. This role is filled by the elders who act as shepherds. (1pet 5:2) While women can teach, the arrangement is not to say they can't, but men reflect Gods glory and authority, both in a xten home and in the congregation. 1cor 11:1, 7. Priscilla is not said to have taught in a christian meeting. Pastor is meant to be a verb anyway, not a noun Don't understand your verb and noun pastor stuff. 1 Like |
Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by Nobody: 9:52pm On Jul 01, 2017 |
Jhaytee4all: The congregation was execrated for allowing her to teach. 1 Like |
Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by Nobody: 10:25pm On Jul 01, 2017 |
luvmijeje: In the same book of 1st Timothy 2:11-12 that you quoted which says 11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. Now my questions : Sir, can a man exercise authority over someone's else wife?[/quote] First, let me mention that in that verse 4 you quoted, the men refers to perons - male or female. However, from verse 8 and 11, Paul shows a difference between genders in his counsel. Ur quest: you have to be specific, which authority do you mean? Can a man pray for another man's wife as verse 8 shows men should pray? If that's the authority you mean, yes is the answer. Can man teach another mans wife in a congregation? Yes. Sir, can a man delegate an authority to someone's else wife? For one who prophesies, a head covering is a sign of delegated authority. When men are absent, only females are in the service, men can delegate an exemplary woman to take the lead in prayer. She would have a head covering to perform that act. 1cor 11:1-5. Sir, can a man exercise authority over someone's daughter? All and the same as I stated above. Can a husband delegate authority to his wife? To teach in there home is the work of the man, the head of his wife. If he is absent, he can delegate the authority for the wife to teach his baptized son at home. If she does so, she would have a head covering. That's a sign of authority delegated. But none of those can delegate a woman to teach or pray when elders or other capable baptized males are in the church service. Those men must take the lead without being challenged by females no matter her level spiritually. You can see I'm using Sir, there's no need for insult if you're sure of yourself. I criticise those who deserve it. You can't come and attribute a revelation to God when He never told you anything and expect me to pet you. You must shame the devil and expose him. James 4:7 1 Like |
Re: On What Basis Is A Woman Made A Pastor In Some Churches? by luvmijeje(f): 12:18am On Jul 02, 2017 |
JMAN05 For one who prophesies, a head covering is a sign of delegated authority. When men are absent, only females are in the service, men can delegate an exemplary woman to take the lead in prayer. She would have a head covering to perform that act. 1cor 11:1-5. The same 1st Cor 11:13-16 emphasis on verse 13 which says 13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? Sir, explain the above verse. By the way you didn't answer my questions. Ist Timothy 2:11-12 didn't mention prophesy or not. Rather in verse 13 which says Then Adam was formed then Eve. The above connote husband and wife relationship. So answer my questions in that context. |
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