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Re: Man Was Inclined To Committing Sin Even Before Eating The Forbidden Fruit by kkins25(m): 12:05pm On Aug 10, 2017 |
Wilgrea7:NICE. were adam and evil created "good"?? if they had to eat the fruit of good and evill to differentiate what good and evil is then it means adam and eve were not the favourite creation. they were simply dumb animals that had two feet. |
Re: Man Was Inclined To Committing Sin Even Before Eating The Forbidden Fruit by Nobody: 1:02pm On Aug 10, 2017 |
chemystery: Proof needed |
Re: Man Was Inclined To Committing Sin Even Before Eating The Forbidden Fruit by Nobody: 4:13pm On Aug 10, 2017 |
kkins25:When you work in the spirit you would understand Belial and Leviathan more. Lucifer wasnt created to be evil infact after Yahweh he was the next in command.Lucifer now called Satan rebelled against Yahweh because he wanted to be like God . This idea of overpowerment was initiated by Belial and Leviathan who were his best friends. |
Re: Man Was Inclined To Committing Sin Even Before Eating The Forbidden Fruit by Wilgrea7(m): 4:48pm On Aug 10, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff:. if saying that will make you feel better.. then keep saying it |
Re: Man Was Inclined To Committing Sin Even Before Eating The Forbidden Fruit by chemystery: 4:58pm On Aug 10, 2017 |
Wilgrea7:MuttleyLaff is Yahweh that is why he knows all Yahweh forgot to include in his weed inspired book. Show some respect! 1 Like |
Re: Man Was Inclined To Committing Sin Even Before Eating The Forbidden Fruit by kkins25(m): 6:37pm On Aug 10, 2017 |
asuustrike2009:were is the scriptural backup |
Re: Man Was Inclined To Committing Sin Even Before Eating The Forbidden Fruit by MuttleyLaff: 11:26pm On Aug 10, 2017 |
Wilgrea7:You have no idea. I'll tell you what, I had an epiphany of what's being making me feel better Looking back on, I keep seeing that, I suffered you gladly, you can't understand or imagine how much that means to me That, right there, my dear friend, every time I remember it, makes me feel better |
Re: Man Was Inclined To Committing Sin Even Before Eating The Forbidden Fruit by Nobody: 12:07am On Aug 11, 2017 |
kkins25:The Fall of Lucifer 12 “How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer,[a] son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations! 13 For you have said in your heart: ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north; 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.’,( Isaiah 14:12-14) In that day the LORD will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent, With His fierce and great and mighty sword, Even Leviathan the twisted serpent; And He will kill the dragon who lives in the sea.( Isaiah 27:1) |
Re: Man Was Inclined To Committing Sin Even Before Eating The Forbidden Fruit by Wilgrea7(m): 6:04am On Aug 11, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff:if believing this makes you feel better.. then by all means do |
Re: Man Was Inclined To Committing Sin Even Before Eating The Forbidden Fruit by MuttleyLaff: 6:58am On Aug 11, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: Wilgrea7: Oh, stop it because, you just dont get it 1 Like |
Re: Man Was Inclined To Committing Sin Even Before Eating The Forbidden Fruit by LordOfNaira: 7:08am On Aug 11, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: Explain, please. How can somebody who has no knowledge of good and evil be expected to pass an integrity test? 1 Like |
Re: Man Was Inclined To Committing Sin Even Before Eating The Forbidden Fruit by kkins25(m): 7:27am On Aug 11, 2017 |
asuustrike2009:it dosent say belial or leviathan adviced lucifer. |
Re: Man Was Inclined To Committing Sin Even Before Eating The Forbidden Fruit by kkins25(m): 7:30am On Aug 11, 2017 |
LordOfNaira:me self wan know...,,, muttleylaff in all his wisom just dosent know that adam means MAN and eve means LIFE. so the tale of adam nd eve is not an historical one. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Man Was Inclined To Committing Sin Even Before Eating The Forbidden Fruit by MuttleyLaff: 7:30am On Aug 11, 2017 |
LordOfNaira:Knowledge doesnt always have to be empirical We at times know things through second-hand or third-hand parties experiences and not through our own personal experience The proof of the pudding is in the eating Does man have integrity? OK, let's put it to test and tell him about not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil The capital punishment will be death, death because it is the highest punishment for such an act of disobeying the command, deemed not to be ordinarily an act of disobedience but is the ultimate treason against God 1 Like |
Re: Man Was Inclined To Committing Sin Even Before Eating The Forbidden Fruit by MuttleyLaff: 7:34am On Aug 11, 2017 |
kkins25:You're actually spot on that Adam means Man (i.e. human being made from dust) and Eve means life (i.e. Adam on highsight realised this and appropriately called her so) The bible isnt necessarily a historical narrative 2 Likes |
Re: Man Was Inclined To Committing Sin Even Before Eating The Forbidden Fruit by Nobody: 8:34am On Aug 11, 2017 |
kkins25:That's why I said you can't understand the things of the spirit because it takes maturity and the holy ghost to explain it |
Re: Man Was Inclined To Committing Sin Even Before Eating The Forbidden Fruit by luvmijeje(f): 8:49am On Aug 11, 2017 |
Crap. Nonsense analysis. Where is your scriptural verses backing up your claim. |
Re: Man Was Inclined To Committing Sin Even Before Eating The Forbidden Fruit by LordOfNaira: 10:20am On Aug 11, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: You talk about experience as though Adam and Eve had any experience before they disobeyed God. They had never disobeyed before. They had never seen anyone die before and yet God said they would die if they ate the fruit. The possibility that Adam was aware of deviation was not even there. For how could they have known that eating the fruit would bring them misery when they had never witnessed misery? How could they be scared of death when the were supposedly created and put into a perfect world? The reason why you all can easily judge Adam is because you are aware of the pains of repercussions. Adam had never felt misery or death or another sort of existence from the one he had. There was no other life he could compare with the one he used to have until he lost it. You should never call that test an integrity test. What integrity are you testing when the people you are making the test on had never witnessed any other life aside goodness? The only way we can agree on this story is if you agree that Adam and Eve already had experiences with which they compared goodness with evil. If you can agree that they had once been punished and felt pains to understand the significance of repercussions. Just like a baby who has just been born. The baby has no knowledge of good and evil. Has no experience. Threatening to smack the baby may even make the baby laugh because she has never been smacked before. But as she grows older and she gets beaten once, when next you threaten to smack her, she may become scared or burst into tears because she knows that spanking is painful. Also, if a baby loses its mother, it would certainty not be aware of grief. Imagine threatening to kill it. You can even point a gun at it and it would not feel alarmed. Like I said earlier, we can only agree if you agree that Adam's knowledge of good and evil came from experience or from eating the fruit. But to tell me he was aware of good and evil without any experience to make comparisons is nothing but ridiculous. |
Re: Man Was Inclined To Committing Sin Even Before Eating The Forbidden Fruit by MuttleyLaff: 11:29am On Aug 11, 2017 |
LordOfNaira:I've read your beautifully presented post and clearly see everywhere you've misunderstood and/or misinterpreted points I've made. When I come off the road, I will asap sectionally respond to each and every aspect of your post (i.e. the bolded especially and if possible more) |
Re: Man Was Inclined To Committing Sin Even Before Eating The Forbidden Fruit by kkins25(m): 12:48pm On Aug 11, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff:we can agree on that. so any idea what the allegory means |
Re: Man Was Inclined To Committing Sin Even Before Eating The Forbidden Fruit by kkins25(m): 12:49pm On Aug 11, 2017 |
luvmijeje:ive been asking but no understandable reply |
Re: Man Was Inclined To Committing Sin Even Before Eating The Forbidden Fruit by luvmijeje(f): 1:00pm On Aug 11, 2017 |
kkins25: He can never answer it. If one want to expose people like him, just ask for scriptural verse. |
Re: Man Was Inclined To Committing Sin Even Before Eating The Forbidden Fruit by orisa37: 3:29pm On Aug 11, 2017 |
Man was created with the senses of sight, smell, hear, taste and touch as adjunks to the Conscience of God in him before he desired to touch The Fruit. So your answer is Yes. |
Re: Man Was Inclined To Committing Sin Even Before Eating The Forbidden Fruit by PastorAIO: 5:06pm On Aug 11, 2017 |
Did I not read that the flesh is inclined to sin? Is so, and Adam was flesh then the sin was already inherent in his fleshly nature. Further more there will be no salvation from sin cos the will be a resurrection of the flesh, which means a resurrection of sinful nature. chemystery: |
Re: Man Was Inclined To Committing Sin Even Before Eating The Forbidden Fruit by MuttleyLaff: 5:14pm On Aug 11, 2017 |
PastorAIO:Define sin PastorAIO:Does a template(s) mean anything to you at all? What is a template? |
Re: Man Was Inclined To Committing Sin Even Before Eating The Forbidden Fruit by PastorAIO: 5:24pm On Aug 11, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: I mean it in the sense found here: 16But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. 18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, |
Re: Man Was Inclined To Committing Sin Even Before Eating The Forbidden Fruit by MuttleyLaff: 7:20am On Aug 12, 2017 |
PastorAIO:More my reason of asking ''Does a template(s) mean anything to you at all''? And further asking ''What is a template?'' That Galatian 5:16-19 above, you referenced, is without discussing at length, talking about the second template The first template is a living soul that became reduced in quality after losing life (i.e. it became this way by losing faith in God's word and wilfully ignoring it) whereas the second template is a life-giving spirit (i.e. it gives not only life but also deliverance from sin and its consequences) Really would have appreaciated if you had define sin. I mean, in in a thorough manner, define it to a large and detailed degree, 1 Like |
Re: Man Was Inclined To Committing Sin Even Before Eating The Forbidden Fruit by PastorAIO: 6:29pm On Aug 20, 2017 |
Is your second template a 'flesh' as well? If it is then is it distinguishable from the flesh that is distinguished from spirit in Galatians. You are confusing the terms Flesh and Spirit. You say the second template is a 'life giving' Spirit. Jesus said: That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Your second template is a flesh and a spirit it seems. Who is right ? You or Jesus? MuttleyLaff: |
Re: Man Was Inclined To Committing Sin Even Before Eating The Forbidden Fruit by MuttleyLaff: 8:58pm On Aug 20, 2017 |
PastorAIO:Affirmative, it is flesh as well PastorAIO:Yes the other is uncorrupted, uncompromised and without blemish PastorAIO:Quite the contrary. I am not confusing the terms but it's you misunderstanding and thinking I am mixing them up PastorAIO:Yes I said so, and that is John 3:6 you are referring to, which I am pleased to say I am familiar with. Remember this is what I wrote: The first template is a living soul that became reduced in quality after losing life (i.e. it became this way by losing faith in God's word and wilfully ignoring it) whereas the second template is a life-giving spirit (i.e. it gives not only life but also deliverance from sin and its consequences) The first template, which we've all inherited from, is a living soul, that gives death, whereas the second template is a life-giving spirit. 11He (i.e. God) came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God. 14aThe Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. - John 1:11-14a The second template is God, Who is Spirit, embodied in human flesh and you become born again from above by God the Son Before you run with my last remark from the above sentence, please, think first over whether it's impossible for God, to simultaneously and concurrently be in heaven and earth. You also need to ask yourself the question about what's the context behind John 3:6. Ask yourself what question did Nicodemus ask that prompted Jesus to give him that response PastorAIO:Though you won't answer questions relating to templates, you no doubt know what a template is. You No doubt know why and when templates are used. This is why you shuffle feet and ignore answering questions about them Who is right? I or Jesus? Well we are both right What are you made up from? Aren't you a spirit and soul housed in a flesh body? |
Re: Man Was Inclined To Committing Sin Even Before Eating The Forbidden Fruit by Bolaji21(m): 10:33pm On Aug 20, 2017 |
chemystery:. Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Scripture at no point inferred that man (Adam) was perfect before the fall. The man Jesus is the true prototype of what God intended project MAN to be. Man could still have sinned (disobeyed) without the intervention of the serpent (or satan). |
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