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Re: FG Gives States Autonomy To Produce Power by jacyhelen(f): 10:07am On Aug 15, 2017
herbeedar:


Source: http://tribuneonlineng.com/fg-gives-states-autonomy-produce-power/

stupid lier... Light dey now pass 2015..May Heat rashes fall on u...
Re: FG Gives States Autonomy To Produce Power by ogtavia(m): 10:34am On Aug 15, 2017
MrEdimulo82:


My only problem with certain pronouncements by govt officials; ministers et al is dat lack of consistency in such pronouncements while he pointed that out of the NEC act some other officials would employ needless bureaucracy to frustrate effort by the state to achieve such self sufficiency....Akwa ibom case in mind. Let's hope this will be sustained by subsequent official even in other areas of governance.
Yes you are right...but if this pronouncement is made constitutional through an act of parliament...then the influence of the so- called government officials is cancelled out...

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Re: FG Gives States Autonomy To Produce Power by mapet: 10:34am On Aug 15, 2017
menxer:

The problem is sending the generated power from those IPPs to the national grid to be shared back to those that generated it in the first place.

Akwa Ibom has IPP, but do we have constant power? NO, because the power we generate is sent to the national grid to be allocated back to us.
That policy makes sense right?

We should be sending our excess output to national grid.

Tinubu was the first governor to be frustrated out of such ventures. When Tinubu's govt built AES barge [formerly Enron] in Ikorodu, It was upsetting that Lagosians hardly benefited from the investment. It was sent straight to the national grid and that was the end of it. Hence Tinubu's government stopped at the first phase of the project.

When Fashola came in, he just concentrated the IPPs on off grid mode and fed areas of need directly (Govt infrastructures like Water-works, street lights , Hospitals and others). It was very difficult to send power to those that need them.

One of the biggest undoing of the previous govt's BPE was to "politically" exclude states from bidding for licenses then. It just did not make sense. Some states like Lagos, Ogun, Rivers, Akwa Ibom, Kaduna, Kano and Abuja had the borrowing capacity to have addressed all the infrastructure gaps the current Discos and Gencos are struggling at. They would have built private grid-lines faster and more sensibly these should have been one of the areas for state to generate revenues rather than the rent seeking mode. Lagos State bidded for both Lagos and Ikeja Disco and were disqualified from the shortlist, when there was nothing in the law that precluded them from doing so. This is what Fashola has come to correct.

So Governor Ambode, your wish (3GW for Lagos) is coming to pass. Fire at will.......

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Re: FG Gives States Autonomy To Produce Power by mapet: 10:37am On Aug 15, 2017
menxer:


Blue3k: :


Agreed but NASS has to make law change. Till then we have get permission to channel our power for our own benefit.

I don't think I understand your point.

The Minister didn't say anything about what happens to the power generated, unless the mini-grid he mentioned will address that, Only no law stops a state from generating power, which is true in the case of Akwa Ibom.

I think the law was misinterpreted up till this clarification from Fashola. I also don't think there is need to differ to National Assembly, the NERC Act is clear. What is needed is private grids which is another headache entirely. Who will invest in it is the big question? If the Disco does, CAPEX on that goes to customers sooner than later

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Re: FG Gives States Autonomy To Produce Power by mapet: 10:39am On Aug 15, 2017
deomeelo:
This should not be limited to states, private entities should be allowed to step in like signing generation and distribution contracts with communities to generate and distribute electricity 24/7 and bill the customers directly and even lay their own transmission cables to cut the government out completely.


This has already been done with the prior privatisation. The only problem is that it was badly executed
Re: FG Gives States Autonomy To Produce Power by mapet: 10:40am On Aug 15, 2017
SalamRushdie:
Again Fashola is being economical with the truth ,Even though nothing stops state Govts from generating power there is a clause that makes it impossible for them to utilize the power but instead forces them to send it into the National grid so lazy northern states can enjoy free electricity .


.....and you find it convenient not to include such clause in your submission?
Re: FG Gives States Autonomy To Produce Power by mapet: 10:45am On Aug 15, 2017
arinzeejikonye:
Apart from the plethora of issues bugging down the power sector, it is not just enough to give nods and licence to establishment of ipp, the nerc fosters uncompetitive market, with clauses that allows for compelling inflow into the National grid system with risk aversion, so the hammer isn't hitting the nail on the head,

The off-grid chain market will grow to full capacity, but decentralizing the National grid system at a swoop at the moment will have a reverberating shock across the power sector, and the consumers will bear the brunt, however, I guess this slow approach by nerc, is to cushion the effects of the shock, and disintegrate the National grid system through a gradual time frame.

However, in line with the circumstantial situation;

There is need for reformation of transmission sector - the transmission company of Nigeria needs to act as commercial administrator, market operator and independent system operator.ease of liquidity constraints will dishamper the cumbersome accumulation of debt

Also distribution coys need to aid the value chain with provision of smart meter for consumers, To forestall some cases of loss

Lastly there is incontrovertible need for reformation of gas sector, thus liberalization of gas to power market, domestic supply obligation needs are to be considered to ease the price of gas, in line with the gas reform programme.


I think we need to make something clear. NERC as of post GEJ's privatisation did not force GENCOs to put power to the grid. This is a big misconception. The reality is that investment in the grid is huge and no private player is willing at the moment, hence virtually everyone pushes to the grid.

Secondly, the NERC regulation also made provision for "Embedded Power Generation". In other words, Discos and partner with other private players to generate and distribute power at a privately agreed price. That is why private coys are in conversations with residents of VGC, Lekki and Ikeja GRA for starters. That is why Lagos IPP and Disco have private arrangements with companies on the Island business district. Whoever that can shoulder the brunt of investment in private grids can do so.

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Re: FG Gives States Autonomy To Produce Power by mapet: 10:47am On Aug 15, 2017
vincent10:
Reality has dawn on Fashola. It is more easier to criticize from outside not until when you are inside.

Actually there is progress, what we need is a sustained progress and not retraction.


What reality? Rather we better thank our stars that we have a pragmatic, well rounded and cerebral, practical and experienced in Fashola as a leader overseeing our power sector. If it was in the hands of "politicians" we will have been "badly worsted"

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Re: FG Gives States Autonomy To Produce Power by mapet: 10:49am On Aug 15, 2017
udees:
No ipp in lagos that was or is built by the government of lagos state--it is a privates thing,the only two state in nigeria that built their power generation plant is Akwa Ibom State 197MW and River State [250MW] BUT Ameachi sold that of River state just before he left office to firs generation power company--Go and do investigation on this -stop promoting what you dont have knowledge about.
ok

It did not make business and economic sense for states to go 100% into building and operating IPPs. This why we have many abandoned factories. What Lagos state has always done and still does is to partner with private players, so they investor funding will be more on the private side.
Re: FG Gives States Autonomy To Produce Power by ashjay001(m): 10:49am On Aug 15, 2017
SalamRushdie:
Again Fashola is being economical with the truth ,Even though nothing stops state Govts from generating power there is a clause that makes it impossible for them to utilize the power but instead forces them to send it into the National grid so lazy northern states can enjoy free electricity .

Not being economical, but, actually denying that false claim!

That claim, discouraged Tinubu from investing in power. Fash was able to do some with d Alausa n environs power supply project.

And, probably having actually studied d laws from d govt position, he realised it was just sabotuers policies that were being implemented!? The past govt employees were discouraging individual states involvement for personal gain!
Re: FG Gives States Autonomy To Produce Power by mapet: 10:51am On Aug 15, 2017
okooyinbo:

The number one reason is not lack of power, but the bureaucratic bottleneck and insufficient legislation. At least this act is not new. Fashola is pointing to the act, and I asked why he couldn't invest in the power sector while he was a governor?

Lagos and Edo State actually bidded for the License then, but were disqualified from the process
Re: FG Gives States Autonomy To Produce Power by mapet: 10:55am On Aug 15, 2017
juman:
Fake news.

APC repeat the same news several times.

Bros,

You know "Intellect-wise", you're not supposed to be here

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Re: FG Gives States Autonomy To Produce Power by mapet: 10:59am On Aug 15, 2017
ashjay001:


SalamRushdie: :
Again Fashola is being economical with the truth ,Even though nothing stops state Govts from generating power there is a clause that makes it impossible for them to utilize the power but instead forces them to send it into the National grid so lazy northern states can enjoy free electricity .
Not being economical, but, actually denying that false claim!

That claim, discouraged Tinubu from investing in power. Fash was able to do some with d Alausa n environs power supply project.

And, probably having actually studied d laws from d govt position, he realised it was just sabotuers policies that were being implemented!? The past govt employees were discouraging individual states involvement for personal gain!



...and this is additional lessons for proponents of "An Engineer must be minister of power". Prof. Barth Nnaji once professed that the problem of the power sector is not technical, rather Business and Legal blockades

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Re: FG Gives States Autonomy To Produce Power by CoolAmbience(m): 11:44am On Aug 15, 2017
osile2012:
give states resource control .

That certainly isn't the problem, at least for now...more has to be shown for the much that is given.

The states, as we currently have, are still no where in terms of IGR mobilization, fiscal management and impact investments (save for a tiny few), to drive wholesome development and sustainability initiatives. A clear and extensive pointer to this fact is their penchant for usurpation of LG mandate(s).

The problem bothers more on visionary leadership, developing more love for humanity and building fuctional systems than on resource control, secession, restructuring and their cohorts.
Re: FG Gives States Autonomy To Produce Power by Nobody: 11:50am On Aug 15, 2017
Bari22:
good news


What's good about this news when at the end after generating the power you will still feed it to the national grid nonsense angry
Re: FG Gives States Autonomy To Produce Power by RealAboki: 12:44pm On Aug 15, 2017
SalamRushdie:
Again Fashola is being economical with the truth ,Even though nothing stops state Govts from generating power there is a clause that makes it impossible for them to utilize the power but instead forces them to send it into the National grid so lazy northern states can enjoy free electricity .
Na your father be the lazy, mada fu.cker.
Re: FG Gives States Autonomy To Produce Power by Nobody: 1:09pm On Aug 15, 2017
Blue3k:
The big things to pay attention to would be these if you didn't know about them already. The distribution part is interesting showing that states can get permit to channel MW to themselves. This permit Akwa Ibom got so it can potentially give 5 local governments 24/7 power.

Why must the states get permit in other countries of the world we practice the same system of government is the waiting for federal government before it gives her people light this is the reason why this Nigerian constitution must be change for the total development of the country

Re: FG Gives States Autonomy To Produce Power by Nobody: 1:11pm On Aug 15, 2017
Why must the states get permit in other countries of the world we practice the same system of government is the waiting for federal government before it gives her people light this is the reason why this Nigerian constitution must be change for the total development of the country

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Re: FG Gives States Autonomy To Produce Power by adetayo234: 1:14pm On Aug 15, 2017
What of private organisations?
Re: FG Gives States Autonomy To Produce Power by AZeD1(m): 1:25pm On Aug 15, 2017
SalamRushdie:
Again Fashola is being economical with the truth ,Even though nothing stops state Govts from generating power there is a clause that makes it impossible for them to utilize the power but instead forces them to send it into the National grid so lazy northern states can enjoy free electricity .
The two biggest dams in the country are in the North. Sending to the national grid was partly to favor the South. Hydro generation is the cheapest so historically, part of the reason why everybody sends to the national grid was to even out the cost.
Re: FG Gives States Autonomy To Produce Power by menxer: 1:43pm On Aug 15, 2017
MONITZ:
I hope states will be allowed to practise this holistically, and not the old way wen after generation, NEPA or NERC as it were will still be the ones to dictate where nd where to feed the power with, and end up shortchanging the real investors thru quota system of feeding the national grid with everything generated and from whence distributions re carried out to states that re idling away nd knew nothing about how the project came about in the first place, wat sort of injustice is that? ,these were some of the things that killed the Enron Power Project in Lagos, if not the light situation would ve been solved a long time ago..


Our leaders just lack the political will to solve the power problem once and for all because they use it as an avenue to loot, just imagine the 16 billion dollars in addition to the billions spent by Obasamjo nd Jona respectively,was more than enough to solve our light wen u take into consideration that the Itagui hydroelectric power project Of 7GW between Brazil no Paraguay cost about 20 billion dollars....
Why you dey put sand for some people garri?
They are celebrating the return of PDP come 2019 to Aso Rock, the party that produced the leaders who achieved the bolded. grin
Re: FG Gives States Autonomy To Produce Power by IgedeBushBoy(m): 2:06pm On Aug 15, 2017
Correct cheesy

Just give Lagos five years from now; 24/7/31 power loading cool
Re: FG Gives States Autonomy To Produce Power by IgedeBushBoy(m): 2:11pm On Aug 15, 2017
MasterChen:
If this is actually true, then it's probably the best piece of news I've read in a while

States like Lagos and Ogun have never been short of investors willing to invest in IPPs. The useless bottlenecks are the things holding them down. So many jobs will be created if this gets done. The number 1 reason why most Nigerian SMEs fail is poor electricity

But again, I fear the generator guys would scuttle it . Heck! they are the ones making the laws
They can't stop Lagos State. The state will lead the revolution. Nigeria must beta tongue
Re: FG Gives States Autonomy To Produce Power by idealogical: 2:22pm On Aug 15, 2017
vincent10:
Reality has dawn on Fashola. It is more easier to criticize from outside not until when you are inside.

Actually there is progress, what we need is a sustained progress and not retraction.



Not really, this is happening because of Fashola and his experience in Lagos state regarding power generation and transmission.

Lagos state built the first IPP in Nigeria and was eventually denied the benefits because the state was unable keep the generated power in Lagos state because of FG sabotage under OBJ so as the governor of Lagos state and while other states refused to learn from Lagos and were building IPPs and getting the same sabotage from the FG's transmission and distribution monopoly, Fashola devised a plan to walk around the FG's monopoly by building 5 power stations in Lagos state to provide uninterrupted power supply to state institution like hospitals, courts, streets, bridges, water works, secretariat and some industries in Ikeja.

Fashola knew building power stations alone wasn't enough since generated power must run through the inefficient FG's transmission monopoly so he devised another plan to walk around that monopoly by laying his own dedicated underground distribution network to transmit generated power from his power stations in Lagos state.

By doing the above, Fashola was the only leader in Nigeria since independence able to guarantee uninterrupted powers supply to hospitals, state institutions and public facilities, the only thing he was unable to do was residential power supply because of FG restrictions.


Fashola pushed the limits in his state when it comes to power generation and transmission, but at the Federal level where there's always inability to source funds and policy changes from selfish and antagonistic federal lawmakers is still a problem so, he's still limited in a lot of ways.

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Re: FG Gives States Autonomy To Produce Power by MONITZ: 4:04pm On Aug 15, 2017
menxer:

Why you dey put sand for some people garri?
They are celebrating the return of PDP come 2019 to Aso Rock, the party that produced the leaders who achieved the bolded. grin


Funny u, I like ur sense of humour. All politicians re same irrespective of their platforms or political parties because they all re the fingers of a leprous hand, so wat touches one, finger or any defect automatically can be seen in the others...

This people nor send the masses at all, no they always lack the political will to enforce things that would benefit the common man bt wen it comes to issues affecting them, u see the way they rise in unison to achieve their aim, e. g the jeeps to be given to the "dishonorable "members.....

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Re: FG Gives States Autonomy To Produce Power by barrysome001: 5:36pm On Aug 15, 2017
I will say BRF is trying, though not to the expectation of some Nigerian citizens.
If this is implemented, then I'll say we are gradually getting there. If any state can seize this opportunity, mere kicking off the project will make the Disco in charge of that state sit-up because most of these Discos are jokers!
Though I doubt that Generation figure, Thumbs up BRF!
Re: FG Gives States Autonomy To Produce Power by Kingspin(m): 6:00pm On Aug 15, 2017
Is it back by our constitution? Or just a mere headline for Nigerians to use it to hold water.
Re: FG Gives States Autonomy To Produce Power by chiteny(m): 8:51am On Aug 16, 2017
Production of power is not the main issue. Distribution of produced power is more important. NERC/FG need to be flexible on this. Autonomy should be granted both the production and distribution of power, not only for state government but private individuals as well.
Re: FG Gives States Autonomy To Produce Power by YADNUS11: 8:34pm On May 22, 2020
na SCAM ooo

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