salam alaykum warahmatullah wabarakatuhu. . .Both eating and using of animals skin. . . .we will bring proofs fr0m kitab wa sunnah

Meat has just 2 rulings . . HALAL AND HARAM

Quran 3:5 = we can eat the f0od of jews and christians . . but we cannot eat the f0od of kafir(sufi, shia, taoist, bhuddist and others

Quran 6:121 = We must never eat from any animal that "bismillah" isnt said before slaughtered. . . . and whoever is a kafir,(sufi and the likes) christians and jews are n0t included in this verse . . quran 3:5 has already vindicate them. .

But if they (jews and christians) did menti0n an0ther name apart fr0m ALLAH name before slaughtering cow (meat) invalidates eating such meat. . according to quran 6:121 ..that if any other name apart fr0m ALLAH name is mentioned, its haram for us to eat ..

Now, its clear that we muslims can eat the food and meat of jews and christians as l0ng as they do not say anything before slaughtering the meat(cow,goat and so on) n0r dedicate the food to 0ne of their kufru festivals . . . .rwn

And its clear that we cannot eat meat slaughtered by kafir.. sufi, shia, takleed f0ll0wers, bhudist, taoist, traditional or orthox religion, jinn worshippers and others

The meat, turkey, chicken and every meat like and edible ish extracted fr0m meat(ponmo and others) that we do buy from market falls under; 1. is it a muslim that killed\slaughtered it? 2. did the muslim say bismillah? 3. is it jews or christians that killed\slaugthered it?.? . . . . . .and in islam, as we all know, when there is matter of doubt. . we leave that matter alone . . . . unless we are sure . . . . #pfw# other than a muslim, we must n0t do buy fr0m market meat or p0nm0 and the likes . . ITS SAFER AND BETTER TO STAY WITH FISH AND THE LIKES

NOTE::: "SLAUGHTER" means what you killed by slaughtering it.. by using blade(n0t raz0r blade o),knife,dagger,sword and the likes...... sharp object.. to slit the animals troat. . . anything or any method of killing that is outside,different from "slaughtering" IS FORBIDDEN.. like death fr0m snake bite, beaten to death, drown in water, hit by car, shot dead by arrow or gun, stick by knife or any sharp object in any of the body part, electrocuited, death by disease, death by shock, cardiac arrest and others . . . . as long as its(the animals) n0t killed by slaughtering . . its forbiddent to eat . .

Even if it's slaughtered by a muslim or ahlul kitab and we dont know if Bismillah was said, we can still eat it after we say Bismillah. Olodo! U neva read d hadith of Aaishah(radhiya Llaahu Anha) in Bukhari.

iamgenius:
Even if it's slaughtered by a muslim or ahlul kitab and we dont know if Bismillah was said, we can still eat it after we say Bismillah. Olodo! U neva read d hadith of Aaishah(radhiya Llaahu Anha) in Bukhari.

LAUGHING. . OLODO NI E. . OK, QUOTE THE HADITH AND POST HERE..THEN QUOTE ITS ISNAD. . THEN EXPLAIN AND I WILL CORRECT YOUR STANCE

AbuUthaymeen:
LAUGHING. . OLODO NI E. . OK, QUOTE THE HADITH AND POST HERE..THEN QUOTE ITS ISNAD. . THEN EXPLAIN AND I WILL CORRECT YOUR STANCE

So Saheeh Bukhari has fault niyen, abi? That I have to quote its isnaad.

iamgenius:
So Saheeh Bukhari has fault niyen, abi? That I have to quote its isnaad.

O DA . . CONTINUE . . JUST QUOTE IT . . MAKE I EXPLAIN AM FOR YOU

iamgenius:
Even if it's slaughtered by a muslim or ahlul kitab and we dont know if Bismillah was said, we can still eat it after we say Bismillah. Olodo! U neva read d hadith of Aaishah(radhiya Llaahu Anha) in Bukhari.

1. A MUSLIM MUST SAY BISMILAH BEFORE SLAUGHTERING . 2. S0ME0NE WHO WANTS TO EAT THE MEAT MUST BE SURE MUSLIM SLAUGHTERED IT. 3. BISMILAH DOESNT NEED TO BE SAID BY JEW OR CHRISTIAN ACCORDING TO THE QURAN... 4. IF A MUSLIM FORGET TO SAY BISMILAH, WE CAN EAT IT.. ALLAH excuses us fr0m forgetfulness,misunderstanding and forcefulness. 5. IF JEW OR CHRISTIAN SAY IN JESUS OR M0SES NAME TO MEAT BEFORE SLAUGHTER, ITS FORBIDEEN FOR US TO EAT. . how will u be sure that a muslim did say bismillah before slaughtering? and asking is allowed but kind of feel somehow......... its best to stay with fish and the likes.. and besides, if you are sure of the muslim brothers know about the meat laws, u are free to eat...but ao many sunni/muslim kn0ws about the law.? . . . fatiii

iamgenius:
Even if it's slaughtered by a muslim or ahlul kitab and we dont know if Bismillah was said, we can still eat it after we say Bismillah. Olodo! U neva read d hadith of Aaishah(radhiya Llaahu Anha) in Bukhari.

THE HADITH YOU WANA QUOTE TALKS ABOUT PEOPLE WHO JUST BECAME MUSLIMS.. and since n0b0dy kn0ws if they say bismilah or not, they were asked to eat the meat. . that hadith is probably before the quran verse was revealed..AM NOT SURE.. but as l0ng as y0u are sure the man you are buying the meat fr0m is a muslim, then its ur duty to ask, so that you can be sure. .so u w0nt be in d0ubt. . and if y0u cant ask, then leave the doubt out, start eating fish and the likes . . . these hadiths doesnt contradicts eachother at all. . its self explanatory . .AND MIND YOU "MUSLIM" = HE WHO F0LL0WS KITAB WA SUNNAH

AbuUthaymeen:
THE HADITH YOU WANA QUOTE TALKS ABOUT PEOPLE WHO JUST BECAME MUSLIMS.. and since n0b0dy kn0ws if they say bismilah or not, they were asked to eat the meat. . that hadith is probably before the quran verse was revealed..AM NOT SURE.. but as l0ng as y0u are sure the man you are buying the meat fr0m is a muslim, then its ur duty to ask, so that you can be sure. .so u w0nt be in d0ubt. . and if y0u cant ask, then leave the doubt out, start eating fish and the likes . . . these hadiths doesnt contradicts eachother at all. . its self explanatory . .AND MIND YOU "MUSLIM" = HE WHO F0LL0WS KITAB WA SUNNAH

MUSLIM= HE WHO FOLLOWS JABATA'S MANHAJ

iamgenius:
MUSLIM= HE WHO FOLLOWS JABATA'S MANHAJ

LAUGHING HYSTERICALLY. . . 1. ALL OF YOU SAID JABATA IS KHAWARIJ, make u bring proof fr0m quran and hadith( you didnt coz there isnt ). 2. ALL OF YOU SAID HE DIDNT DIVIDE BIDA( ehn, u that divide it, bring proof, u cant bekoz dea isnt) 3. ALL OF YOU SAID HE SAID BIDA IS ONLY KUFRU( u that claim its KUFRU AND SIN, make u brinq proof, u didnt. .coz there isnt).. 4. YOU PEOPLE KEEP SHOUTING THAT SP0ON ISNT BIDA AND SAYING AMEN AINT BIDA(make u bring pr0of, u cant..u didnt..) 5. YOU PEOPLE SAY HE IS CALLING PEOPLE KAFIR(ehn make u bring pr0of that calling people kafir is n0t in islam, u didnt) . .ORO YIN SU MI O.. AND WHEN DID RASUL MANHAJ BEC0MES JABATA MANHAJ? NA SO UNA DEY CALL PEOPLE WAHABI, TAYMIYYAH, ABU IBEJI.. As l0ng as u f0ll0w sunnah, the lecturer who calls people to sunnah is the name people start calling we who f0ll0w sunnah. . . . olodo, oniruju.. i dnt even kn0w ur manhaj. is adam al ilori a kafirp4pgda

AbuUthaymeen:
LAUGHING HYSTERICALLY. . . 1. ALL OF YOU SAID JABATA IS KHAWARIJ, make u bring proof fr0m quran and hadith( you didnt coz there isnt ). 2. ALL OF YOU SAID HE DIDNT DIVIDE BIDA( ehn, u that divide it, bring proof, u cant bekoz dea isnt) 3. ALL OF YOU SAID HE SAID BIDA IS ONLY KUFRU( u that claim its KUFRU AND SIN, make u brinq proof, u didnt. .coz there isnt).. 4. YOU PEOPLE KEEP SHOUTING THAT SP0ON ISNT BIDA AND SAYING AMEN AINT BIDA(make u bring pr0of, u cant..u didnt..) 5. YOU PEOPLE SAY HE IS CALLING PEOPLE KAFIR(ehn make u bring pr0of that calling people kafir is n0t in islam, u didnt) . .ORO YIN SU MI O.. AND WHEN DID RASUL MANHAJ BEC0MES JABATA MANHAJ? NA SO UNA DEY CALL PEOPLE WAHABI, TAYMIYYAH, ABU IBEJI.. As l0ng as u f0ll0w sunnah, the lecturer who calls people to sunnah is the name people start calling we who f0ll0w sunnah. . . . olodo, oniruju.. i dnt even kn0w ur manhaj. is adam al ilori a kafirp4pgda

What about d phone u use, is it not bid'ah?

ALL OF YOU AND AHLU BIDA ACCUSATIONS ON JABATA CANT BE DEFENDED BY YOU ACCUSERS WITH KITAB WA SUNNAH. . . let me tell u what u do n0t kn0w. . jabata never speak out of his will like alaro and other kafirs. . . he always do have pr0of fr0m quran and hadith,. . . clear proofs. . . the best way to win jabata is to do roddu of his proofs. . it easy. . just bring deleel or u go against delil becoz of ur hatred for him and thereby u become a kafir. . . . . .jabtat ko se e tako. . quran ati hadith ni wa kan ma tako. . . stay with truth . . leave c0nfusi0n . . .rrgqdpptwimo

AbuUthaymeen:
Quran 3:5 = we can eat the f0od of jews and christians . . but we cannot eat the f0od of kafir(sufi, shia, taoist, bhuddist and others

# So, Christians who say Jesus is God or 3 in 1 God, and also denied the Prophethood of Muhammad are no longer Kuffar according to Jabatanian?! Hmmm...So, you can eat their food?!


# Jews who never believe in Nabi Eesa and Nabi Muhammad are also not Kuffar?! You can eat their food?!


# Interestingly, because Quran says we can eat the food of "Jews and Christian", then their kafirism is removed by that in the view of Jabatanian?!


# I really wonder what's then is the difference between Mushriqun (Polytheists like Òsun, Ogun worshippers etc) and the Christians?! Why Muslim's can eat "Christian and Jew's" food but not that of those "Polytheists"!


# AhluSunnah, are you sensible at all? You really need brain transplant surgery.

AL BAQIR .. U ARE A KAFIR. . U ARE THE SAME WITH IDOLATORS, JEWS, CHRISTIANS, SUFI AND OTHER KUFAR. . . U DO NOT NEED TO STRESS YOURSELF OR ASK ME QUESTIONS... U DO NOT BELIEVE IN EVERYTHING ISLAM STANDS FOR. . . . .XO G0 AND WORSHIP YOUR IDOLS. . . THIS THREAD IS FOR "MUSLIMS" . . . .without explanation, anybody could read and understand. . .but ur kafir rank is so high that u cant even read and understand . .Go anD sleep. .G

AbuUthaymeen:
AL BAQIR .. U ARE A KAFIR. . U ARE THE SAME WITH IDOLATORS, JEWS, CHRISTIANS, SUFI AND OTHER KUFAR. . . U DO NOT NEED TO STRESS YOURSELF OR ASK ME QUESTIONS... U DO NOT BELIEVE IN EVERYTHING ISLAM STANDS FOR. . . . .XO G0 AND WORSHIP YOUR IDOLS. . . THIS THREAD IS FOR "MUSLIMS" . . . .without explanation, anybody could read and understand. . .but ur kafir rank is so high that u cant even read and understand . .Go anD sleep. .G

Is using phone a bid'ah?

iamgenius:
Is using phone a bid'ah?

OFCOURSE its bida . . and what are u trying to say gaan

AbuUthaymeen:
OFCOURSE its bida . . and what are u trying to say gaan

That is what I'm trying to say that according to you, you are a kaafir.

iamgenius:
That is what I'm trying to say that according to you, you are a kaafir.

Bida of the w0rld ni ph0ne ..just like cars and other innovati0ns that has n0thing to do with the deen. . OLODO NI E.. U sha want to make takfir of me anyhow.. yet u claim there is n0 kafir, 0ne cant make takfir.. ehn even if its bida of the deen. .se its ur mukafiroh bida ni? #laughing#

AbuUthaymeen:
1. A MUSLIM MUST SAY BISMILAH BEFORE SLAUGHTERING . 2. S0ME0NE WHO WANTS TO EAT THE MEAT MUST BE SURE MUSLIM SLAUGHTERED IT. 3. BISMILAH DOESNT NEED TO BE SAID BY JEW OR CHRISTIAN ACCORDING TO THE QURAN... 4. IF A MUSLIM FORGET TO SAY BISMILAH, WE CAN EAT IT.. ALLAH excuses us fr0m forgetfulness,misunderstanding and forcefulness. 5. IF JEW OR CHRISTIAN SAY IN JESUS OR M0SES NAME TO MEAT BEFORE SLAUGHTER, ITS FORBIDEEN FOR US TO EAT. . how will u be sure that a muslim did say bismillah before slaughtering? and asking is allowed but kind of feel somehow......... its best to stay with fish and the likes.. and besides, if you are sure of the muslim brothers know about the meat laws, u are free to eat...but ao many sunni/muslim kn0ws about the law.? . . . fatiii

LOL Christians and Jews don't normally say anything bfore slaughtering an animal now.

Alennsar:


LOL Christians and Jews don't normally say anything bfore slaughtering an animal now.

Dey dea. .

AbuUthaymeen:
Dey dea. .

ok maybe there is but I haven't seen one bfore. may Allah guide and protect US

Alennsar:


ok maybe there is but I haven't seen one bfore. may Allah guide and protect US

Ehn ehn . . now you talking. . . . . where you put this nice and educative post before?