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Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by butterflylion: 12:05pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
MrMontella: Keep your victim complex to yourself ogbeni. My link already cleared his post. Read and understand and eschew your ignorance. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by Nobody: 12:06pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
felixomor: The university settled. This post is a lame attempt to tie this mans "discovery" and his firing. 1. We have found out that he wasn't the first to discover soft tissue in fossils, there was another Christian who wasn't fired. 2. Armitage was already open about being a Christian at the time he was hired, so if the university was going to discriminate against him, it would have been there. 3. Armitage freely admits that he often engaged students in conversations, giving his opinion on issues such as the age of the remarkably well-preserved cells in the triceratops horn. “To me, the obvious conclusion is they’re young. They can’t be 68 million years old,” he says. http://www.nature.com/news/university-sued-after-firing-creationist-fossil-hunter-1.16281 Sure if a staff member is teaching biology students young earth creationism I would say that's reasonable ground for firing. Seeing as it is not science? If I taught geology and told students the earth was molded by FSM should I be tolerated because it's my? religion 1 Like |
Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by felixomor: 12:07pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
LightandDarkness: Simple question Why did the university loose the case? 1 Like |
Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by Nobody: 12:13pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
felixomor: Please repost the link. The strength of formaldehyde as a preservative is irrelevant because we are not discussing formaldehyde, neither has anyone agreed to use formaldehyde as the standard, neither have you provided any evidence that it wouldn't be possible with formaldehyde. The issue here is you have stated it is categorically impossible, meanwhile I have demonstrated that it is in fact possible which you are choosing not to see. |
Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by butterflylion: 12:14pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
LightandDarkness: Felixomor he says he has DEMONSTRATED! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by Nobody: 12:14pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
felixomor: THEY SETTLED. You are confusing losing a civil suit with settling. |
Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by Nobody: 12:15pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
butterflylion: You can not pick my choice of words or you can debate the science, up to you. |
Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by felixomor: 12:15pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
LightandDarkness: Please read the news article again. Its now clear you didnt read it |
Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by felixomor: 12:17pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
butterflylion: "Demonstrating ' for him means copy and paste. And then pretend that what he pasted has not been thrashed. |
Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by butterflylion: 12:18pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
LightandDarkness: ^^^^^^ |||||||||| Who send this one? I dropped my link with pictorial backing and you dropped your link so let the readers debate it for themselves. |
Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by Nobody: 12:20pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
felixomor: Again you are failing to understand the difference between a Judge awarding armitage damages and Armitage and CSUN reaching an out of court settlement. "For two years, CSUN fought Armitage’s lawsuit. The university alleged his firing was simply a restructuring of their biology department and not a case of religious discrimination. But CSUN lost its bid to have the judge summarily throw the case out of court as groundless in July of last year. So CSUN settled with Armitage for $399,500 in 2016, according to Inside Higher Ed." The judge did not dismiss the case, meaning the judge let armitage continue his suit against the school, so CSUN paid armitage a settlement so armitage would drop the law suit rather than the case "going to court" as is the popular term. To help you understand http://research.lawyers.com/to-settle-or-not-to-settle-that-is-the-question.html |
Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by butterflylion: 12:22pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
LightandDarkness: Was there soft tissue found in this 65 million year old fossil yes or no? |
Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by Nobody: 12:22pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
felixomor: Okay. I have posted an article where a scientist has demonstrated that a model or models exist where it is possible. Therefore you cannot state that is is categorically impossible. I hope this is now clearer for youm |
Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by felixomor: 12:23pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
LightandDarkness: @Bolded Please read it hundred times and answer my question. |
Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by Nobody: 12:24pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
butterflylion: Yes, that issue is not in contention. What has been argued so far is the reason why those tissues exist? If they are not 65 million years old then your argument on this thread should also be with carbon dating as that was how it was demonstrated that the fossil was 65 million years old. If they are 65 million years old then the issue should be how the soft tissue cells were preserved for so long. |
Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by felixomor: 12:26pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
LightandDarkness: A fellow concludes that Usain bolt can run around Nigeria in a matter of 3 days. You ask him to post evidence He tells you becos usain bolt finishes 100 Meters in 9.5 seconds so there fore it is possible. That's close to how you sound 1 Like |
Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by Ranchhoddas: 12:30pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
The idiocy on this thread is just too much. |
Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by Nobody: 12:31pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
felixomor: Again you fail to understanding the difference between a ruling to dismiss a case and a judgement on the case itself, CSUN did not lose the case because the case did not go to trial. You should be asking why CSUN settled not why they lost. " In a civil case, or lawsuit, a plaintiff asks a court for compensation for personal injuries, property damages and other losses or to enforce some private right. Unlike vicitms and defendants in criminal cases, the parties in a civil lawsuit do not face punishment and have more control over the continuation or end of a case. The rules of procedure for civil cases afford litigants methods to voluntarily end a lawsuit. Civil litigants may decide to stop a suit because of a settlement or the inability to be ready for trial. However, as with criminal cases, a court can dismiss civil cases despite the plaintiff's wishes to proceed when the cases lack merit or contain procedural defects." http://legalbeagle.com/8343518-ways-dismiss-civil-case.html So again, they did not lose the case. They lost their motion to dismiss the case so they settled the suit . The former is a decision to allow the suit proceed. |
Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by felixomor: 12:31pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
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Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by butterflylion: 12:33pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
LightandDarkness: So how were they preserved for so long since iron couldn't have gotten to the tissues without water transporting it and One of the first lessons in biochemistry is that water breaks apart proteins, degrading the very tissues they suggest iron would help preserve? Take your best shot. |
Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by Nobody: 12:33pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
felixomor: This is hardly the same thing. Again I have shown where it was demonstrated that the iron preservation theory was plausible, so how can you then claim it is impossible. |
Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by felixomor: 12:33pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
LightandDarkness: Simple question Why did the university loose as i highlighted from your copied part of the passage? Keep swimming. I will swim too 1 Like |
Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by felixomor: 12:35pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
LightandDarkness: It is not different brah. You used rate to estimate living tissue decomposition, comparing 2 years to 64 million. Thats what u did. And u say u demonstrated. Nah |
Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by Nobody: 12:41pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
butterflylion: Water is not required to transport ion. Iron is present in hemoglobin, each heam group contains an iron ion which is what binds oxygen and allows your blood to transport it. This is why in Schweitzers experiment she used blood hemoglobin. "Iron from blood hemoglobin can be highly effective in promoting this crosslinking and in general passivating the reactive groups on the proteins. Schweitzer’s group performed a dramatic experiment to demonstrate this effect, using modern ostrich blood vessels: the blood vessels which were incubated in a solution of hemoglobin (extracted from the red blood cells of chicken and ostrich) showed no signs of degradation for more than two years." |
Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by Nobody: 12:43pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
felixomor: They lost their petition to dismiss the case because a judge determine armitage's case was strong enough to be decided at trial. Again, this does not mean CSUN lost the suit because it never went to trial. |
Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by Ranchhoddas: 12:43pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
butterflylion:Yes there was. The question now becomes; why is it there? Then you start to take rational steps towards finding out. You don't jump into conclusions because you hold a belief. Mary Schweitzer is also a Christian. She did it the right way and there was no furore. |
Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by felixomor: 12:43pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
LightandDarkness:Water makes up bulk of living tissues including blood. Even full humans are at average 70% water 1 Like |
Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by butterflylion: 12:45pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
LightandDarkness: If iron is present in haemoglobin and can preserve then why do we further embalm? Why do humans and animals rot Afterall we all have same haemoglobin content? |
Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by felixomor: 12:46pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
LightandDarkness: Simple question Why did they loose? You want to still swim? 1 Like |
Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by Nobody: 12:50pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
felixomor: Usain bolts ability to run is dependant on his blood glucose, his muscle glycogen, his ability to sustain the level of respiration required to generate the energy he requires to run around Nigeria in 3 days, the ability of his muscles to repeatedly contract at the rate it did when he ran 100m in 9.5. Therefore for the extrapolation to be valid, bolts body must remain in thr same condition it was in when bolt ran 100m in 9.5s for all three days which is impossible therefore the extrapolation is false. However blood hemoglobin inside the bones of an animal can continue to be present depending on the fossilisation conditions. Therefore the extrapolation is valid. That is the obvious difference. |
Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by felixomor: 12:53pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
LightandDarkness:You just Exactly explained why your extrapolation is false too. 1 Like |
Re: EVOLUTION SPOILER!: Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Fossil, University Settles Scientist by butterflylion: 12:54pm On Aug 19, 2017 |
LightandDarkness: ^^^^^ ||||||||| He does not know what he is saying. He just body slammed himself. 1 Like 1 Share |
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