I have taken time to engage the IPOB-inspired Biafran agitators whose propaganda is often also expressed by some Igbo contributors to radio phone-in programmes and there is a trend.

They are quick to list their perceived 'injustices' against Igbos and the Southeast as justification for their agitation. Meanwhile, they fail to realize that their agitation is likely to make the condition of the people they claim to be fighting for worse.

Let us say Nnamdi Kanu was not initially caught when he sneaked into Nigeria and was successful with his agenda to raise agitation in the Southeast. Depending on how successful he would have been, hundreds to thousands of people would have died in the region and there still would be no Biafra. Don't forget, this is not 1967 where a regional system exists and neither are we having military rule where some Southeastern officer can seek to commandeer troops in a secession bid. Any attempt to raise the issue of secession is just a call for suffering on the people of the Southeast. Whatever suffering you might think you are experiencing now will be like paradise to a conflict situation.

I am sure some responder would quickly type- 'we want a referendum like the United Kingdom held for Scotland.' My reaction- stop engaging in dubious analysis and postulations.

The legal framework and political structure of the United Kingdom with its constituent nations is not the same as Nigeria. The Nigerian constitution does not give any window for separation or secession including a referendum. Even insisting on one will still in all likelihood lead to trouble.

So, instigating trouble and getting people in harm's way is not going to help the Southeast and no foreign country will do anything tangible about it too. Their interests are firmly with Nigeria not a rag-tag bunch of secessionist agitators too closely aligned to a discredited Jonathan administration.

Harsh? Well, you need a reality check before you get people killed for nothing.

maclatunji:
I have taken time to engage the IPOB-inspired Biafran agitators whose propaganda is often also expressed by some Igbo contributors to radio phone-in programmes and there is a trend.

They are quick to list their perceived 'injustices' against Igbos and the Southeast as justification for their agitation. Meanwhile, they fail to realize that their agitation is likely to make the condition of the people they claim to be fighting for worse.

Let us say Nnamdi Kanu was not initially caught when he sneaked into Nigeria and was successful with his agenda to raise agitation in the Southeast. Depending on how successful he would have been, hundreds to thousands of people would have died in the region and there still would be no Biafra. Don't forget, this is not 1967 where a regional system exists and neither are we having military rule where some Southeastern officer can seek to commandeer troops in a secession bid. Any attempt to raise the issue of secession is just a call for suffering on the people of the Southeast. Whatever suffering you might think you are experiencing now will be like paradise to a conflict situation.

I am sure some responder would quickly type- 'we want a referendum like the United Kingdom held for Scotland.' My reaction- stop engaging in dubious analysis and postulations.

The legal framework and political structure of the United Kingdom with its constituent nations is not the same as Nigeria. The Nigerian constitution does not give any window for separation or secession including a referendum. Even insisting on one will still in all likelihood lead to trouble.

So, instigating trouble and getting people in harm's way is not going to help the Southeast and no foreign country will do anything tangible about it too. Their interests are firmly with Nigeria not a rag-tag bunch of secessionist agitators too closely aligned to a discredited Jonathan administration.

Harsh? Well, you need a reality check before you get people killed for nothing.

all this grammar to defend a zoo

zenmaster:

all this grammar to defend a zoo

Do you have the capacity to actually debate or discuss effectively or you can only do the pervasive Nairaland mediocrity? If you lack the capacity for intelligent discourse, just go play in other threads that will allow you display your mediocrity.

maclatunji:


Do you have the capacity to actually debate or discuss effectively or you can only do the pervasive Nairaland mediocrity? If you lack the capacity for intelligent discourse, just go play in other threads that will allow you display your mediocrity.

What debate? Are you blind to the zoo-ishness of Nigeria?

I was expecting the OP to present alternative facts as to why IPOB campaign is unjustified

My dear the notion that the fight for freedom is hard does not make it not worth fighting for

Please next time make a better argument

OP just wants to bow down and worship his caliphate masters

krendo:
I was expecting the OP to present alternative facts as to why IPOB campaign is unjustified

My dear the notion that the fight for freedom is hard does not make it not worth fighting for

Please next time make a better argument

People would have ignored nnamdi KANU if not for the people that is currently ruling Nigeria who would rather shoot at unarmed protesters than shoot at armed herdsmen . Even after going to united nations general assembly meeting and canvassing for the break up of other countries APC wants people to believe that the unity of Nigeria is settled beyond redemption.


Now what do we have the whole armed forces being sent after an unarmed group whose offence is the sit at home protest while irredeemable genocidal groups who have threatened a whole race with hate songs are being ignored.


God is not asleep.

maclatunji:
I have taken time to engage the IPOB-inspired Biafran agitators whose propaganda is often also expressed by some Igbo contributors to radio phone-in programmes and there is a trend.

They are quick to list their perceived 'injustices' against Igbos and the Southeast as justification for their agitation. Meanwhile, they fail to realize that their agitation is likely to make the condition of the people they claim to be fighting for worse.

Let us say Nnamdi Kanu was not initially caught when he sneaked into Nigeria and was successful with his agenda to raise agitation in the Southeast. Depending on how successful he would have been, hundreds to thousands of people would have died in the region and there still would be no Biafra. Don't forget, this is not 1967 where a regional system exists and neither are we having military rule where some Southeastern officer can seek to commandeer troops in a secession bid. Any attempt to raise the issue of secession is just a call for suffering on the people of the Southeast. Whatever suffering you might think you are experiencing now will be like paradise to a conflict situation.

I am sure some responder would quickly type- 'we want a referendum like the United Kingdom held for Scotland.' My reaction- stop engaging in dubious analysis and postulations.

The legal framework and political structure of the United Kingdom with its constituent nations is not the same as Nigeria. The Nigerian constitution does not give any window for separation or secession including a referendum. Even insisting on one will still in all likelihood lead to trouble.

So, instigating trouble and getting people in harm's way is not going to help the Southeast and no foreign country will do anything tangible about it too. Their interests are firmly with Nigeria not a rag-tag bunch of secessionist agitators too closely aligned to a discredited Jonathan administration.

Harsh? Well, you need a reality check before you get people killed for nothing.

Stop talking like a fool. You only have to go back into Nigerian history to know what is right and what is wrong. Zik was a well educated man who went to Ghana in the 1930's and established a Newspaper where he wrote about Nigeria having independence, a bit like Kanu was running Radio Biafra, talking about Biafran independence. Maybe Kanu used more crude language but the message was still the same with that of Zik, the independence of the indigenous people of the land from a higher power.

Zik eventually returned to Nigeria, just like Kanu did, and continued his crusade for independence for which he suffered persecution from the British authorities.

If we are to follow your logic, it means that Zik, Awo and other nationalist had no right to agitate for independence. The British created Nigeria, they wrote the constitution of the time that had no provision for independence.

Today, a lot of Nigerians appreciate Zik and others for for agitating and getting independence, yet, the same Nigerian finds it strange that Kanu is agitating for the independence of his own people.

What is the difference between what Zik did and what Kanu is doing? It is still all about the independence of a group of people from a higher power, is it not?

The only difference is that the British are a civilised people while Nigerians are not. Zik and others could never have defeated Britain in a war of independence at the time. But the British knew that to hold anyone against their will perpetually was wrong. When Zik and others showed that they had the support of the people, the British conceded independence.

If the British had wanted, they could have thrown Zik and others in jail, charged them with treason, executed them, gunned down their supporters and kept their control of Nigeria.

The moral of the story is that any group of people have a right to agitate for their independence and they have the inalinable right to be eventually granted their independence if it is truly what they want because whatever the constitution says, the constitution is never greater than the people. Wether they eventually suffer after independence is their business.



Nigeria is just not yet civilised.

krendo:
I was expecting the OP to present alternative facts as to why IPOB campaign is unjustified

My dear the notion that the fight for freedom is hard does not make it not worth fighting for

Please next time make a better argument

Not hard, misguided. Freedom from what? Did a group of other tribes in Nigeria fight an Independent Igbo nation to form Nigeria? No.

So, where did the subjugation come from? It is actually a construct you have created for yourselves. Learn to understand which concepts apply to you.

Is a non-Southeasterner governing any Southeast state in Nigeria? No.

If you claim Nigeria has not benefitted you then wake-up and smell the coffee, you negotiate not agitate.

Or you want to insist on a suicidal mission of secession to prove your misplaced concept of 'freedom'?

I know you are just playing to the gallery to get customary likes.

attackgat:


Stop talking like a fool. You only have to go back into Nigerian history to know what is right and what is wrong. Zik was a well educated man who went to Ghana in the 1930's and established a Newspaper where he wrote about Nigeria having independence, a bit like Kanu was running Radio Biafra, talking about Biafran independence. Maybe Kanu used more crude language but the message was still the same with that of Zik, the independence of the indigenous people of the land from a higher power.

Zik eventually returned to Nigeria, just like Kanu did, and continued his crusade for independence for which he suffered persecution from the British authorities.

If we are to follow your logic, it means that Zik, Awo and other nationalist had no right to agitate for independence. The British created Nigeria, they wrote the constitution of the time that had no provision for independence.

Today, a lot of Nigerians appreciate Zik and others for for agitating and getting independence, yet, the same Nigerian finds it strange that Kanu is agitating for the independence of his own people.

What is the difference between what Zik did and what Kanu is doing? It is still all about the independence of a group of people from a higher power, is it not?

The only difference is that the British are a civilised people while Nigerians are not. Zik and others could never have defeated Britain in a war of independence at the time. But the British knew that to hold anyone against their will perpetually was wrong. When Zik and others showed that they had the support of the people, the British conceded independence.

If the British had wanted, they could have thrown Zik and others in jail, charged them with treason, executed them, gunned down their supporters and kept their control of Nigeria.

The moral of the story is that any group of people have a right to agitate for their independence and they have the inalinable right to be eventually granted their independence if it is truly what they want because whatever the constitution says, the constitution is never greater than the people. Wether they eventually suffer after independence is their business.



Nigeria is just not yet civilised.

The classic IPOB dubious intellectual framework. Comparing colonial government to your fellow citizens. Who taught you guys to be such whiny weenies incapable of competing in your own country? I mean Southeast states should be better than Lagos if not individually collectively if you are truly as smart as you want us to believe.

You need freedom indeed- from your own duplicity and inferiority complex.

maclatunji:


Not hard, misguided. Freedom from what? Did a group of other tribes in Nigeria fight an Independent Igbo nation to form Nigeria? No.

So, where did the subjugation come from? It is actually a construct you have created for yourselves. Learn to understand which concepts apply to you.

Is a non-Southeasterner governing any Southeast state in Nigeria? No.

If you claim Nigeria has not benefitted you then wake-up and smell the coffee, you negotiate not agitate.

Or you want to insist on a suicidal mission of secession to prove your misplaced concept of 'freedom'?

I know you are just playing to the gallery to get customary likes.

When did you discuss to enter or accept a union with other tribes? Nigeria was imposed on us by the British!

Ipob are protesting against a state that celebrates its ability to exclude the Igbos from full participation in government, military and the economy and they have a right to do so under article 1 of the UN charter to which Nigeria is a signatory to!

maclatunji:


The classic IPOB dubious intellectual framework. Comparing colonial government to your fellow citizens. Who taught you guys to be such whiny weenies incapable of competing in your own country? I mean Southeast states should be better than Lagos if not individually collectively if you are truly as smart as you want us to believe.

You need freedom indeed- from your own duplicity and inferiority complex.

You said it all, I keep wondering who is enslaving them.

krendo:


When did you discuss to enter or accept a union with other tribes? Nigeria was imposed on us by the British!

Ipob are protesting against a state that celebrates its ability to exclude the Igbos from full participation in government, military and the economy and they have a right to do so under article 1 of the UN charter to which Nigeria is a signatory to!

The igbos still actively participate in the economy and the Government. The yorubas complained about their marginalization from Government in the early years of the jonathan era, but did they call themselves slaves in their own country because of this? why should another region be so powerful in your eyes to enslave you in a country Azikiwe fought for?

freshest4live:

The igbos still actively participate in the economy and the Government. The yorubas complained about their marginalization from Government in the early years of the jonathan era, but did they call themselves slaves in their own country because of this? why should another region be so powerful in your eyes to enslave you in a country Azikiwe fought for?

A lot of you yorubas are aloof to what happens in Nigeria that's why you support the institutional and systemic discrimation that goes on in Nigeria

You complain about marginalisation in 6 years of Jonathan but forget that Igbos have been marginalised since 1970

Igbos are facing tribal attacks and genocide in the North since 1970 and you yorubas turn a blind eye to it but are quick to come online to criticise Kanu and IPOB for engaging in peaceful protest?

How do you guys sleep at night?

krendo:


A lot of you yorubas are aloof to what happens in Nigeria that's why you support the institutional and systemic discrimation that goes on in Nigeria

You complain about marginalisation in 6 years of Jonathan but forget that Igbos have been marginalised since 1970

Igbos are facing tribal attacks and genocide in the North since 1970 and you yorubas turn a blind eye to it but are quick to come online to criticise Kanu and IPOB for engaging in peaceful protest?

How do you guys sleep at night?

I am not Yoruba, and to say that the lgbos were the only ones killed during the religious crises in the North is false. Every group has been marginalized in one way or the other, what we need is dialogue on how to coexist as a nation, bringing all the previous killings of southern christians over things like cartoon, to the table, a new constitution orva penalty that guarantees such criminals would no longer be spared, not this noise of secession because it is much more difficult and may lead to conflict.

freshest4live:

what we need is dialogue on

some people want to dialogue about secession

maclatunji:


Do you have the capacity to actually debate or discuss effectively or you can only do the pervasive Nairaland mediocrity? If you lack the capacity for intelligent discourse, just go play in other threads that will allow you display your mediocrity.

for u useless mind now u have the capacity to debate, and NK for sometimes now have call people out for open debate yet no one has shown intrest.
Since u have the capacity why masquerading here on nairaland? Why not notify NK and stop acting as if u have any meaningful thing to say.

zenmaster:

some people want to dialogue about secession

Impossible.

freshest4live:

Impossible.

Keep bowing down to your masters and let others do the talking

zenmaster:

Keep bowing down to your masters and others do the talking

You are the only one seeing masters.

freshest4live:

You are the only one seeing masters.

Masters like this abi

Lloydfather:
for u useless mind now u have the capacity to debate, and NK for sometimes now have call people out for open debate yet no one has shown intrest.
Since u have the capacity why masquerading here on nairaland? Why not notify NK and stop acting as if u have any meaningful thing to say.

@ maclatunji
You need to contact NK for a face-to-face debate

freshest4live:

I am not Yoruba, and to say that the lgbos were the only ones killed during the religious crises in the North is false. Every group has been marginalized in one way or the other, what we need is dialogue on how to coexist as a nation, bringing all the previous killings of southern christians over things like cartoon, to the table, a new constitution orva penalty that guarantees such criminals would no longer be spared, not this noise of secession because it is much more difficult and may lead to conflict.

People are asking to secede because of lack of confidence in the system

There are already existing laws that guarantees the right of all but successive governments refuse to implement them because of sectional insterest

And yet you are asking people to come to table to make new laws and engage in dialogue

How many confabs have we had so far?

This APC government discarded the last confab

Just before senate recess, the senate voted down restructuring because of selfish interest by some

Nigeria is getting beyond salvage my dear!

krendo:


People are asking to secede because of lack of confidence in the system

There are already existing laws that guarantees the right of all but successive governments refuse to implement them because of sectional insterest

And yet you are asking people to come to table to make new laws and engage in dialogue

How many confabs have we had so far?

This APC government discarded the last confab

Just before senate recess, the senate voted down restructuring because of selfish interest by some

Nigeria is getting beyond salvage my dear!

Secession is not the answer, if nations secede over every challenge they face then we would have an average of 20 secessions annually.
Now there's even a recent Kenyan cry for secession as well over perceived marginalization, and Secessionist are all over in our modern day world, you see why the U.N can't take all seriously.
Sudan seceded because there was an agreement after so many years of war and instability. The Government agreed in 2005, and the referendum for South Sudan took place 2011, but South Sudan was definitely not ready for this and the U.N regrets till ddate.

freshest4live:

Secession is not the answer, if nations secede over every challenge they face then we would have an average of 20 secessions annually.

A nation like Nigeria needs secession, unless you are blind to the unending suffering which NO ONE plans to alleviate.

freshest4live:

Now there's even a recent Kenyan cry for secession as well over perceived marginalization, and Secessionist are all over in our modern day world, you see why the U.N can't take all seriously.
Sudan seceded because there was an agreement after so many years of war and instability. The Government agreed in 2005, and the referendum for South Sudan took place 2011, but South Sudan was definitely not ready for this and the U.N regrets till ddate.

You are comparing apples and oranges.
1. Nigeria is not South Sudan
2. Nigeria is not Kenya

freshest4live:

Secession is not the answer, if nations secede over every challenge they face then we would have an average of 20 secessions annually.
Now there's even a recent Kenyan cry for secession as well over perceived marginalization, and Secessionist are all over in our modern day world, you see why the U.N can't take all seriously.
Sudan seceded because there was an agreement after so many years of war and instability. The Government agreed in 2005, and the referendum for South Sudan took place 2011, but South Sudan was definitely not ready for this and the U.N regrets till ddate.

Secession may not be the answer but the protest for secession is necessary

Only those who recognise that their unity is not a given are able to perfect their union

This nonsense talk about Nigeria's unity not being negotiable has destroyed Nigeria. Leaders are taking our unity for granted!

It's time to nurture our unity and gaurd it with the jealousy it deserves or split!

some people live and act like they own Nigeria more than others. The fact remains, for Nigeria to survive, we must restructure now and equity, justice and fairness to all must be obtained. Nigeria as we know it can not survive, politically or economically. The fossil fuel we so much rely on is gradually becoming irrelevant. The German legislature has passed a law banning the use of injection fuel propelled cars by 2020 and most western nations are following suit. Electric car technology has and will disrupt injection fuel technology. Tesla is the next big thing to happen to the auto industry. This will overwhelmingly affect Nigeria and most oil producing countries . We must restructure or burst besides this present government have gone a borrowing without anything to show for what they are borrowing for. The time for real change has come and yes any and every ethnic group has a right to want out of Nigeria after all,dey no tie our unblical cord together. Even if it is tied together we have a right to cut it and go our separate ways. Siemese twins still get separated by surgery. For those who truly love Nigeria, time to negotiate is now and not bitting about the bush.

krendo:


A lot of you yorubas are aloof to what happens in Nigeria that's why you support the institutional and systemic discrimation that goes on in Nigeria

You complain about marginalisation in 6 years of Jonathan but forget that Igbos have been marginalised since 1970

Igbos are facing tribal attacks and genocide in the North since 1970 and you yorubas turn a blind eye to it but are quick to come online to criticise Kanu and IPOB for engaging in peaceful protest?

How do you guys sleep at night?

This qualify as hate speech.


The igbo man is his own greatest enemy.

maclatunji:
I have taken time to engage the IPOB-inspired Biafran agitators whose propaganda is often also expressed by some Igbo contributors to radio phone-in programmes and there is a trend.

They are quick to list their perceived 'injustices' against Igbos and the Southeast as justification for their agitation. Meanwhile, they fail to realize that their agitation is likely to make the condition of the people they claim to be fighting for worse.

Let us say Nnamdi Kanu was not initially caught when he sneaked into Nigeria and was successful with his agenda to raise agitation in the Southeast. Depending on how successful he would have been, hundreds to thousands of people would have died in the region and there still would be no Biafra. Don't forget, this is not 1967 where a regional system exists and neither are we having military rule where some Southeastern officer can seek to commandeer troops in a secession bid. Any attempt to raise the issue of secession is just a call for suffering on the people of the Southeast. Whatever suffering you might think you are experiencing now will be like paradise to a conflict situation.

I am sure some responder would quickly type- 'we want a referendum like the United Kingdom held for Scotland.' My reaction- stop engaging in dubious analysis and postulations.

The legal framework and political structure of the United Kingdom with its constituent nations is not the same as Nigeria. The Nigerian constitution does not give any window for separation or secession including a referendum. Even insisting on one will still in all likelihood lead to trouble.

So, instigating trouble and getting people in harm's way is not going to help the Southeast and no foreign country will do anything tangible about it too. Their interests are firmly with Nigeria not a rag-tag bunch of secessionist agitators too closely aligned to a discredited Jonathan administration.

Harsh? Well, you need a reality check before you get people killed for nothing.

To you people seeking to enforce their God-given right to self determination are only instigating trouble

You are the one who has got a twisted logic

And then don't you think those who die fighting for something are better than you who cowardly live for nothing?

attackgat:


Stop talking like a fool. You only have to go back into Nigerian history to know what is right and what is wrong. Zik was a well educated man who went to Ghana in the 1930's and established a Newspaper where he wrote about Nigeria having independence, a bit like Kanu was running Radio Biafra, talking about Biafran independence. Maybe Kanu used more crude language but the message was still the same with that of Zik, the independence of the indigenous people of the land from a higher power.

Zik eventually returned to Nigeria, just like Kanu did, and continued his crusade for independence for which he suffered persecution from the British authorities.

If we are to follow your logic, it means that Zik, Awo and other nationalist had no right to agitate for independence. The British created Nigeria, they wrote the constitution of the time that had no provision for independence.

Today, a lot of Nigerians appreciate Zik and others for for agitating and getting independence, yet, the same Nigerian finds it strange that Kanu is agitating for the independence of his own people.

What is the difference between what Zik did and what Kanu is doing? It is still all about the independence of a group of people from a higher power, is it not?

The only difference is that the British are a civilised people while Nigerians are not. Zik and others could never have defeated Britain in a war of independence at the time. But the British knew that to hold anyone against their will perpetually was wrong. When Zik and others showed that they had the support of the people, the British conceded independence.

If the British had wanted, they could have thrown Zik and others in jail, charged them with treason, executed them, gunned down their supporters and kept their control of Nigeria.

The moral of the story is that any group of people have a right to agitate for their independence and they have the inalinable right to be eventually granted their independence if it is truly what they want because whatever the constitution says, the constitution is never greater than the people. Wether they eventually suffer after independence is their business.



Nigeria is just not yet civilised.

Now the simple question is Does Nnamdi kanu enjoys 100% support of his region?

krendo:


When did you discuss to enter or accept a union with other tribes? Nigeria was imposed on us by the British!

Ipob are protesting against a state that celebrates its ability to exclude the Igbos from full participation in government, military and the economy and they have a right to do so under article 1 of the UN charter to which Nigeria is a signatory to!

As they always do the igbos protest whenever they lost out in the power game and start playing the victim card on others.....threatening others for their loss forgetting that others were suffering while they held sway in the corridors of power.
Even as at 1966 when the igbo political traditional and military elite sponsored their young men to plot a coup so that they will have full control of the whole country , the igbos were controlling commerce , trade , industry , civil service, military and even only second to yorubas in education ....... yet they were not satisfied and had to kill other tribes and regions leaders so that igbo men will rule it over the rest.

Fast foward 1999 to 2015 they held sway controlling the ministry of finance education CBN, NSE , SGF , SENATE PRESIDENT and even president (most igbos see gej as an igboman)and many federal appointments while yorubas were protesting marginalization by FG.......they were suffering and at the same time strategizing on how to enter the corridor of power which they did

Then those that lost out now wants the country broken just because they lost elections ,

Selfish greedy lot

zenmaster:

A nation like Nigeria needs secession, unless you are blind to the unending suffering which NO ONE plans to alleviate.



You are comparing apples and oranges.
1. Nigeria is not South Sudan
2. Nigeria is not Kenya

Nigeria will be worse than this two countries mentioned above,especially the biafran republic. Has it ever occured to you that the so called marginalisation and under development you people always refer to is imposed on you by your fellow brothers and sisters. All the money being pumped into your region finds its way into the pockets of your elites. What you should be demanding for is accountability from your leaders.