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Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by alBHAGDADI: 12:09pm On Sep 09
Habyz:

Let's see about that.
Quran 8:12 is completely different from what the OP wrote. He(God said he will throw fear into the hearts of the disbelievers then smite the necks and smite them of each finger), why did the OP have to lie against the Quran?
Your deceitfulness knows no bound.

You claim I quoted the Quran wrongly but you failed to even bring the original verse here. Now, you've gone further to try to explain the verse, albeit you purpose lied against the Quran just to cover up the deception in Islam.


You claim the verse which commands Muslims to strike off the necks of unbelievers was actually Allah saying that that is what he will do.

I say no, cos the verse was Allah telling angels to tell Muslims that he will strike terror into the hearts of unbelievers and that Muslims should strike off the necks of such people. No part in that verse says Allah will do that himself.


Yusuf Ali : Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

Shakir : When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

Muhammad Sarwar : Your Lord inspired the angels saying, "I am with you. Encourage the believers. I shall cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers and you will strike their heads and limbs;

Mohsin Khan: (Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels, "Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes."

Arberry : When thy Lord was revealing to the angels, 'I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast into the unbelievers' hearts terror; so smite above the necks, and smite every finger of them!'
Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by Hier(m): 12:16pm On Sep 09
Juliojoe:
Pls can you kindly explain what you mean. I want to learn
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He's an athiest, wrong person to ask such question
Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by Hier(m): 12:19pm On Sep 09
alBHAGDADI:

Your deceitfulness knows no bound.


bring the original verse here. Now, you've gone further to try to explain the verse, albeit you purpose lied against the Quran just to cover up the deception in Islam.


Arberry : When thy Lord was revealing to the angels, 'I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast into the unbelievers' hearts terror; so smite above the necks, and smite every finger of them!'

Are you ex Muslim?
Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by Hier(m): 12:27pm On Sep 09
Isn't it surprising that it was when persecution was loudest, that islam grew
Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by Habyz(m): 12:41pm On Sep 09
alBHAGDADI:

Your deceitfulness knows no bound.

You claim I quoted the Quran wrongly but you failed to even bring the original verse here. Now, you've gone further to try to explain the verse, albeit you purpose lied against the Quran just to cover up the deception in Islam.


You claim the verse which commands Muslims to strike off the necks of unbelievers was actually Allah saying that that is what he will do.

I say no, cos the verse was Allah telling angels to tell Muslims that he will strike terror into the hearts of unbelievers and that Muslims should strike off the necks of such people. No part in that verse says Allah will do that himself.


Yusuf Ali : Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

Shakir : When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

Muhammad Sarwar : Your Lord inspired the angels saying, "I am with you. Encourage the believers. I shall cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers and you will strike their heads and limbs;

Mohsin Khan: (Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels, "Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes."

Arberry : When thy Lord was revealing to the angels, 'I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast into the unbelievers' hearts terror; so smite above the necks, and smite every finger of them!'
Is it that you don't understand English or your resolve to tarnish the image of Islam is so high that you don't want to accept the truth. You said it yourself ;
Yusuf Ali : Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."
With the above sentence how do you deduce that God wanted people to hurt other people?
Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by alBHAGDADI: 2:38pm On Sep 09
Habyz:

Is it that you don't understand English or your resolve to tarnish the image of Islam is so high that you don't want to accept the truth. You said it yourself ;
Yusuf Ali : Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."
With the above sentence how do you deduce that God wanted people to hurt other people?
Dont you get it? The Verse was allah telling his angels to deliver a message to the believers as to what they should do, which is "strike off the necks of the unbelievers".
Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by Demmzy15(m): 9:30pm On Sep 09
OLAADEGBU:


Can you explain the enmity between the Sunnis and the Shias?
Can you explain the enmity between Catholics and Protestants that made them to butcher each other for 31 years killing 8 million people?!
Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by Demmzy15(m): 9:32pm On Sep 09
alBHAGDADI:
Dont you get it? The Verse was allah telling his angels to deliver a message to the believers as to what they should do, which is "strike off the necks of the unbelievers".
And so? So on battlefield I should shower my enemies with roses or what?

Do you want worst commands from your bible like cannibalism?

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Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by plainbibletruth: 11:25pm On Sep 09
The Discomfiting Satanic Verses

- The seal of the Prophets
- A book with the original in heaven
- Satan "brings a sura like it"


Islamic sources admit that Mohamed was at one time inspired by Satan to put some verses into the Quran.
When Mohamed first preached in Mecca he thought that the Meccans would accept his religion. But the Meccans did not. An angry Mohamed angry then began ridiculing taunting their religion and Gods. The Meccans stopped all dealings with him and his followers.

Eventually to appease the Meccans, Mohamed came up with the following
Quranic verses,
“Have you then considered the al-Lat and al-Uzza and Manat, the third, the last ... these are the exalted Gharaniq (a high flying bird) whose intercession is approved” (Q: 53.19-20)

Al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat were some of the local idols worshiped in Mecca.
Previously Mohamed had spoken against these idols in his preaching about one-God now he claims that their "intercession is approved". This gladdened the Meccans and they lifted their boycott of him.

Soon Mohamed realized that by acknowledging the local idols al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat he had made a terrible blunder. He had undermined his own position that as the sole intermediary between Allah and the people and by doing so he made his new religion indistinguishable from pagan beliefs and hence redundant. So he retracted and said the two verses acknowledging pagan idols were satanic verses i.e., the verses inspired by Lucifer, the Biblical Satan. This is Mohamed’s most embarrassing moment.

Islam crumbled in the wake of the Prophet’s satanic indulgence. Mohamed desperately tried to make amends for the satanic verses and recited the following verse.
“Surely Allah does not forgive setting up partners with Him; and whoever associates anything with Allah, he indeed strays off into remote error. They call but upon female deities. They call but upon Satan, the persistent rebel!” (Q: 4.116)

Subsequently, the relevant verses were also modified with the final form what is now in the modern Qur'an,
“Have ye thought upon Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza. And Manat, the third, the other? Are yours the males and His the females? That indeed were an unfair division!” (Q: 53:19-22).

So, not only is Satan able to speak through "the seal of the Prophets", and meet up with the challenge to create "suras like it", the verses of a book with original in heaven are modified or deleted when the need arises!
Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by lagostokd: 11:29pm On Sep 09
Habyz:

Can you even listen to yourself, if you argue that it is violent against the people of other religions are you still saying it is violent against itself.

It is violent against both Muslims and non-Muslims because it is a religion against the human race (irrespective of religion or tribe) whose aim is to kill, to steal, and to destroy
Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by Habyz(m): 12:13pm On Sep 10
lagostokd:


It is violent against both Muslims and non-Muslims because it is a religion against the human race (irrespective of religion or tribe) whose aim is to kill, to steal, and to destroy
And the 'aim' as you call it is written in which book, give me some verses.
Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by Habyz(m): 12:17pm On Sep 10
alBHAGDADI:
Dont you get it? The Verse was allah telling his angels to deliver a message to the believers as to what they should do, which is "strike off the necks of the unbelievers".
Maybe you should go back to school and slap your English teacher and lecturer for not teaching you what they were paid for.
Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by alBHAGDADI: 3:51pm On Sep 10
Habyz:

Maybe you should go back to school and slap your English teacher and lecturer for not teaching you what they were paid for.
Rather, you should go up your Al taquiya game
Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by alBHAGDADI: 3:59pm On Sep 10
Demmzy15:
Can you explain the enmity between Catholics and Protestants that made them to butcher each other for 31 years killing 8 million people?!
Pls, where is your proof of the 8 million people killed? Where you there then?

You speak of things that "happened" before you were born and still act like you have all the facts.

We speak of the show Sunni divide not that we were born when it started, but because that divide and the killings involved is still very much evident today. Reading the news is enough to fill your curiosity.
Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by Demmzy15(m): 4:03pm On Sep 10
plainbibletruth:
The Discomfiting Satanic Verses

- The seal of the Prophets
- A book with the original in heaven
- Satan "brings a sura like it"


Islamic sources admit that Mohamed was at one time inspired by Satan to put some verses into the Quran.
When Mohamed first preached in Mecca he thought that the Meccans would accept his religion. But the Meccans did not. An angry Mohamed angry then began ridiculing taunting their religion and Gods. The Meccans stopped all dealings with him and his followers.

Eventually to appease the Meccans, Mohamed came up with the following
Quranic verses,
“Have you then considered the al-Lat and al-Uzza and Manat, the third, the last ... these are the exalted Gharaniq (a high flying bird) whose intercession is approved” (Q: 53.19-20)

Al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat were some of the local idols worshiped in Mecca.
Previously Mohamed had spoken against these idols in his preaching about one-God now he claims that their "intercession is approved". This gladdened the Meccans and they lifted their boycott of him.

Soon Mohamed realized that by acknowledging the local idols al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat he had made a terrible blunder. He had undermined his own position that as the sole intermediary between Allah and the people and by doing so he made his new religion indistinguishable from pagan beliefs and hence redundant. So he retracted and said the two verses acknowledging pagan idols were satanic verses i.e., the verses inspired by Lucifer, the Biblical Satan. This is Mohamed’s most embarrassing moment.

Islam crumbled in the wake of the Prophet’s satanic indulgence. Mohamed desperately tried to make amends for the satanic verses and recited the following verse.
“Surely Allah does not forgive setting up partners with Him; and whoever associates anything with Allah, he indeed strays off into remote error. They call but upon female deities. They call but upon Satan, the persistent rebel!” (Q: 4.116)

Subsequently, the relevant verses were also modified with the final form what is now in the modern Qur'an,
“Have ye thought upon Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza. And Manat, the third, the other? Are yours the males and His the females? That indeed were an unfair division!” (Q: 53:19-22).

So, not only is Satan able to speak through "the seal of the Prophets", and meet up with the challenge to create "suras like it", the verses of a book with original in heaven are modified or deleted when the need arises!
The satanic verses have been dealt with for more than 25years, at least come up with something new. Here are links refuting it:

https://islamqa.info/en/4135
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/sverses.html

Are you aware that there is satanic verses is also present in the bible?

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Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by Demmzy15(m): 4:13pm On Sep 10
alBHAGDADI:
Pls, where is your proof of the 8 million people killed? Where you there then?

You've not heard of the 30 year war? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years'_War
and a screenshot is available.

You speak of things that "happened" before you were born and still act like you have all the facts.

Educate yourself please, I wasn't born when it happened doesn't mean we should shove it aside. This number of deaths is nothing compared to what Christian Chinese rebels did in China in which over 75 million died.

We speak of the show Sunni divide not that we were born when it started, but because that divide and the killings involved is still very much evident today. Reading the news is enough to fill your curiosity.

The killings by Christians 500years ago still influence the world today, some years back, Protestants and Catholics were still killing themselves in Ireland. South America today is majority Christian, you know how? It was through ethnic cleansing and genocide that made Christianity triumph in this lands, so stop the hypocrisy.

Sunni/Shi'a divide is more than a thousand years, I'm a Sunni myself but would never support the killing and persecution of Shi'as despite hating many of their beliefs. Sunnis and Shi'as are living together peacefully in many countries, the only why Christians have stopped butchering each other is because they became secular. Research about when Europeans were fanatics, you'll leave your religion immediately!
Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by plainbibletruth: 8:24pm On Sep 10
Demmzy15:
The satanic verses have been dealt with for more than 25years, at least come up with something new. Here are links refuting it:

https://islamqa.info/en/4135
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/sverses.html

Are you aware that there is satanic verses is also present in the bible?

Mohamedans use myriad of excuses and denials to cover up this Mohamed's embarrassing error.

They will even query and deny earliest Moslem schorlars all in a bid to whitewash Mohamed.

At least four (4) earliest writers of Mohamed's biography attest to it, in addition to the records in the quran and hadith. Yet Moslem apologists would have us change history because they KNOW that Islam stands or fall on the prophethood of Mohamed.

But let's take Q. 22: 52 & 53 :
"And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet except that when he spoke [or recited], Satan threw into it [some misunderstanding]. But Allah abolishes that which Satan throws in; then Allah makes precise His verses. And Allah is Knowing and Wise."

Any OBJECTIVE reader of these verses cannot but see that EVEN Allah admits - IN THE QURAN - that Satan interferes with Allah's prophets' messages. It is LATER that Allah " abolishes that which Satan throws in".

How can any sane Moslem now argue otherwise?


Because the quran is not in any particular sequence Moslem apologists want to use this lack of order to TWIST facts and confuse the gullible. This is being dishonest to say the least.

If you are uncomfortable that Satan used your prophet Mohamed, the least you could do should be to be honest about it and admit it's true. If you then wish to follow a man whose Allah could not shield him from Satan, then that's your business.

A big question is: "If Satan used him once, then on what other occasions did he use him?"

Why do Moslem apologists find it easy to accept and quote an Islamic writer and then quickly turn against him when what he wrote elsewhere will expose their hypocrisy and lies, and put their Prophet in the full glare of transparent scrutiny?

Why would these earliest Islamic writers want to give wrong history as today's Moslem apologists would want us to think?
Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by Demmzy15(m): 9:16pm On Sep 10
plainbibletruth:


Mohamedans use myriad of excuses and denials to cover up this Mohamed's embarrassing error[/b].

They will even query and deny earliest Moslem schorlars all in a bid to whitewash Mohamed.

At least four (4) earliest writers of Mohamed's biography attest to it, in addition to the records in the quran and hadith. Yet Moslem apologists would have us change history because they KNOW that Islam stands or fall on the prophethood of Mohamed.

But let's take Q. 22: 52 & 53 :
"And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet except that when he spoke [or recited], Satan threw into it [some misunderstanding]. But Allah abolishes that which Satan throws in; then Allah makes precise His verses. And Allah is Knowing and Wise."

Any OBJECTIVE reader of these verses cannot but see that EVEN Allah admits - IN THE QURAN - that Satan interferes with Allah's prophets' messages. It is LATER that Allah " abolishes that which Satan throws in".

How can any sane Moslem now argue otherwise?


Because the quran is not in any particular sequence Moslem apologists want to use this lack of order to TWIST facts and confuse the gullible. This is being dishonest to say the least.

If you are uncomfortable that Satan used your prophet Mohamed, the least you could do should be to be honest about it and admit it's true. If you then wish to follow a man whose Allah could not shield him from Satan, then that's your business.

A big question is: "If Satan used him once, then on what other occasions did he use him?"

Why do Moslem apologists find it easy to accept and quote an Islamic writer and then quickly turn against him when what he wrote elsewhere will expose their hypocrisy and lies, and put their Prophet in the full glare of transparent scrutiny?

[b]Why would these earliest Islamic writers want to give wrong history as today's Moslem apologists would want us to think?
Pathetic Pauline loser! The links are there to clear your messed up head, can you also defend the satanic verses present in your buybull?
Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by plainbibletruth: 10:39pm On Sep 10
Demmzy15:
Pathetic Pauline loser! The links are there to clear your messed up head, can you also defend the satanic verses present in your buybull?

cheesy cheesy cheesy grin grin grin
Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:00pm On Sep 10
Demmzy15:


Can you explain the enmity between Catholics and Protestants that made them to butcher each other for 31 years killing 8 million people?!

Religion will do that not Christianity. cool

Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:34pm On Sep 10
Habyz:


Is that in the Bible?

Yes. See the bolded in the verses below:

"Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?" (John 14:9)

"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him" (Colossians 1:15-16)
Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:37pm On Sep 10
Habyz:


Can you explain the situation between the Catholic and the protestants or the Jehovah Witnesses and the Celestial.

I told you that Christianity is not religion. In Christianity there is no instruction for us to kill one another.
Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:38pm On Sep 10
Hibrahym:


The Father, the Son or the Holy Spirit?

Yes.
Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:45pm On Sep 10
lagostokd:


OLAADEGBU already answered you.

Islam is a violent religion against non-muslims and also against itself. The sole aim/agenda of Islam is to kill, to steal, and to destroy.

My prayer for you is to know the truth and the truth to set you free

Amen! cheesy
Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by Habyz(m): 12:19am On Sep 11
OLAADEGBU:


I told you that Christianity is not religion. In Christianity there is no instruction for us to kill one another.
If It's not a religion then what is it?
Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by Habyz(m): 12:25am On Sep 11
OLAADEGBU:


Yes. See the bolded in the verses below:

"Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?" (John 14:9)

"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him" (Colossians 1:15-16)
cheesy grin
Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:15am On Sep 11
Wilgrea7:


and your version of the creator just happens to be the correct one?

Who else, You? undecided

Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:18am On Sep 11
jonbellion:


Daft thread
Spreading hate
You abrahamic religions should just leave and go and colonize your own planet abeg
Just pray that God should carry you there you know like teleport

Atheism is even worse. angry

Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by Demmzy15(m): 9:47am On Sep 11
plainbibletruth:


cheesy cheesy cheesy grin grin grin

tongue grin Can you defend the satanic verses in your buybull?
Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by Demmzy15(m): 9:49am On Sep 11
OLAADEGBU:


Religion will do that not Christianity. cool
That's not the answer to my question o
Re: "Satan Delivered Islam To Muhammad And Following Islam Will Lead You To Hell" by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:18am On Sep 11
Demmzy15:


That's not the answer to my question o

This thread is about the religion of Islam not Christianity.

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