With regard to this topic I know that many christians here have wondered about the alleged "contradictions" in the Bible.  As a result of my own questions I decided to do some research.  It's quite time consuming, but equally rewarding and I came across this extensive article on the web that's helping me in my study.

This is my first lengthy post, and personally I detest lengthy posts. However I think it's worth the time if you can spare it, to peruse.

All 101 alleged contradictions will not be discussed, but a sample of the explanations will be shown.


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1. The Foundation

The Charge of Contradiction


Muslims talk often about the many contradictions in the Bible. The number of contradictions vary depending on whom you are talking to. Kairanvi's Izhar-ul-Haq presents 119 numbered contradictions, while others such as Shabbir Ally have supposedly found 101 contradictions.

The Qur'an gives authority to the Bible:

The Qur'an, itself, the highest authority for all Muslims, gives authority to the Bible, assuming its authenticity at least up to the seventh-ninth Centuries.

Consider the following Suras:

Sura Baqara 2:136 points out that there is no difference between the scriptures which preceded and those of the Qur'an, saying, ", the revelation given to us, and Jesus, we make no difference between one and another of them."

Sura Al-I-Imran 3:2-3 continues, "Allah, He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus), as a guide to mankind."

Sura Nisaa 4:136 carries this farther by admonishing the Muslims to, ", Believe, and the scripture which He sent before him."

In Sura Ma-ida 5:47,49,50,52 we find a direct call to Christians to believe in their scriptures: ", We sent Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him. We sent him the Gospel,  Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein, if any do fail to judge by the light of what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel, "

Again, in Sura Ma-ida 5:68 we find a similar call: "People of the Book!, [/b]Stand fast by the law, the Gospel, and all revelation that hath come to you from YOUR LORD. It is the revelation that has come to thee from THY LORD."

To embolden this idea of the New and Old Testament's authority we find in Sura 10:94 that [b]Muslims are advised to confer with these scriptures if in doubt about their own, saying: "If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee. The truth had indeed come to thee from thy Lord."

Finally, in Sura Ankabut 29:46[b] Muslims are asked not to question the authority of the scriptures of the Christians[/b], saying, "And dispute ye not with the people of the book but say: We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and that which came down to you."

If there is anything in these Suras which is clear, it is that[b] the Qur'an emphatically endorses the Torah and the Gospel as authentic and authoritative revelations from God[/b]. This coincides with what Christians believe, as well.

In fact, nowhere is there any warning in the Qur'an that the former scriptures had been corrupted, nor that they were contradictory.

If the Qur'an was indeed the final and complete revelation, if it was the seal of all former revelations the Muslims claim, than certainly the author of the Qur'an would have included a warning against that which had been corrupted in the earlier scriptures.

But nowhere do we find even a hint that the Bible was contradictory, or indeed that it was corrupted.

2.  Don't Worry, The Bible Is Still God's Word for His People

Contradictions Analyzed

When we look at the contradictions which Muslims point out we find that many of these errors are not errors at all but either a misunderstanding of the context or nothing more than copyist mistakes.

The former can easily be explained, while the latter need a little more attention.

It is quite clear that the books of the Old Testament were written between the 17th and the 5th century BC on the only parchments available at that time, pieces of Papyrus, which decayed rather quickly, and so needed continual copying.

We now know that much of the Old Testament was copied by hand for 3,000 years, while the New Testament was copied for another 1,400 years, in isolated communities in different lands and on different continents, yet they still remain basically unchanged.

Today many older manuscripts have been found which we can use to corroborate those earlier manuscripts.

In fact we have an enormous collection of manuscripts available to which we can go to corroborate the textual credibility of our current document.

Concerning the New Testament manuscripts (MSS) we have in our possession 5,300 Greek manuscripts or fragments thereof, 10,000 Latin Vulgate manuscripts and at least 9,300 other early translations.

In all we now have more than 24,000 manuscript copies or portions of the New Testament from which to use!

Obviously this gives us much more material with which to delineate any variant verses which may exist. Where there is a variant reading, these have been identified and expunged and noted as footnotes on the relevant pages of the texts. In no way does this imply any defects with our Bible (as found in the original autographs).

Christians readily admit, however, that there have been 'scribal errors' in the copies of the Old and New Testament.

It is beyond the capability of anyone to avoid any and every slip of the pen in copying page after page from any book, sacred or secular.

Yet we may be sure that the original manuscript (better known as autograph) of each book of the Bible, being directly inspired by God, was free from all error.

Those originals, however, because of the early date of their inception no longer exist.

The individuals responsible for the copying (scribes or copyists) were prone to making two types of scribal errors, well known and documented by those expert in the field of manuscript analysis.

One concerned the spelling of proper names (especially unfamiliar foreign names), and the other had to do with numbers.

The fact that it is mainly these type of errors in evidence gives credence to the argument for copyist errors.

If indeed the originals were in contradiction, we would see evidence of this within the content of the stories themselves. (Archer 1982:221-222)

What is important to remember, however, is that no well-attested variation in the manuscript copies that have come down to us alter any doctrine of the Bible.

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To this extent, at least, the Holy Spirit has exercised a restraining influence in superintending the transmission of the text.

Since God has nowhere promised an inerrant transmission of Scripture, it is necessary to affirm[b] that only the autographic text of the original documents were inspired. [/b]

For that reason it is essential that we maintain an ongoing textual criticism as a means of detecting any slips that may have crept into the text in the course of its transmission.

The verdict of this science, however, is that the Hebrew and Greek text appears to be amazingly well preserved, so that we are amply justified in affirming, with the Westminster Confession, a singular providence of God in this matter and in declaring that the authority of Scripture is in no way jeopardized by the fact that the copies we possess are not entirely error-free.

Similarly, no translation is or can be perfect, and all translations are an additional step away from the autograph.

Yet the verdict of linguistic science is that English-speaking Christians, at least, are exceedingly well served in these days with a host of excellent translations and have no cause for hesitating to conclude that the true Word of God is within their reach.

Indeed, in view of the frequent repetition in Scripture of the main matters with which it deals and also of the Holy Spirit's constant witness to and through the Word, no serious translation of Holy Scripture will so destroy its meaning as to render it unable to make its reader "wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus" (2 Tim. 3:15)"

3.   Let's Talk Contradiction!

1. Does God incite David to conduct the census of his people (2 Samuel 4:1), or does Satan (1 Chronicles 21:1)?
(Category: misunderstood how God works in history)

This seems an apparent discrepancy unless of course[b] both statements are true. [/b]

It was towards the end of David's reign, and David was looking back over his brilliant conquests, which had brought the Canaanite, Syrian, and Phoenician kingdoms into a state of vassalage and dependency on Israel.

He had an attitude of pride and self-admiration for his achievements, and was thinking more in terms of armaments and troops than in terms of the mercies of God.

The Lord therefore decided that it was time that David be brought to his knees, where he would once again be cast back onto the mercy of God.

So he let him go ahead with his census, in order to find out just how much good it would do him, as the only thing this census would accomplish would be to inflate the national ego (intimated in Joab's warning against carrying out the census in 1 Chronicles 21:3).

As soon as the numbering was completed, God intended to chasten the nation with a disastrous plague which would bring about an enormous loss of life (in fact the lives of 70,000 Israelites according to 2 Samuel 24:15).

What about Satan? Why would he get himself involved in this affair (according to 1 Chronicles 21:1) if God had already prompted David to commit the folly he had in mind?

It seems his reasons were entirely malicious, knowing that a census would displease the Lord (1 Chronicles 21:7-, and so he also incited David to carry it through.

Yet this is nothing new, for there are a number of other occurrences in the Bible where both the Lord and Satan were involved in soul-searching testings and trials

a. In the book of Job.

b. Similarly both God and Satan are involved in the sufferings of persecuted Christians according to 1 Peter 4:19 and 5:8."

c. And finally the crucifixion itself bears out yet another example where both God and Satan are involved.

Satan exposed his purpose when he had the heart of Judas filled with treachery and hate (John 13:27), causing him to betray Jesus.

The Lord's reasoning behind the crucifixion, however, was that[b] Jesus, the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world should give his life as a ransom for many, so that once again sinful man could relish in the relationship lost at the very beginning, in the garden of Eden, and thereby enter into a relationship which is now eternal.[/b] 

Satan's motive in all these examples, including the census by David was driven by malicious intent, while the Lord in all these cases showed an entirely different motive.

His was a benevolent motive with a view to eventual victory, while simultaneously increasing the usefulness of the person tested.

In every case Satan's success was limited and transient; while in the end God's purpose was well served furthering His cause substantially.

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2. 2 Samuel 24:9 gives the total population for Israel as 800,000, whereas 1 Chronicles 21:5 says it was 1,100,000.(Category: misunderstood the historical context or misunderstood the author's intent)

There are a number of ways to understand not only this problem but the next challenge as well, since they both refer to the same passages and to the same census.

It is possible that the differences between the two accounts are related to the[b] unofficial and incomplete [/b] nature of the census (which will be discussed later), or that the book of Samuel presents rounded numbers, particularly for Judah.

The more likely answer, however, is that one census includes categories of men that the other excludes.

It is quite conceivable that the 1 Chronicles 21:5 figure included all the available men of fighting age, whether battle-seasoned or not, whereas the 2 Samuel 24:9 account is speaking only of those who were ready for battle.

Joab's report in 2 Samuel 24 uses the word 'is hayil, which is translated as "mighty men", or battle-seasoned troops, and refers to them numbering 800,000 veterans.

It is reasonable that there were an additional 300,000 men of military age kept in the reserves, but not yet involved in field combat.

The two groups would therefore make up the 1,100,000 men in the 1 Chronicles 21 account which does not employ the Hebrew term 'is hayil to describe them.

4.  Samuel 24:13 mentions that there will be seven years of famine whereas 1 Chronicles 21:12 mentions only three.
(Category: misunderstood the author's intent, and misunderstood the wording)

There are two ways to look at this. The first is to assume that the author of 1 Chronicles emphasized the three-year period in which the famine was to be most intense, whereas the author of 2 Samuel includes the two years prior to and after this period, during which the famine worsened and lessened respectively.

Another solution can be noticed by observing the usage of words in each passage. When you compare the two passages you will note that the wording is significantly different in 1 Chronicles 21 from that found in a 2 Samuel 24.

In 2 Samuel 24:13 the question is "shall seven years of famine come to you?"

In 1 Chronicles 21:12 we find an alternative imperative, "take for yourself either three years of famine, "

From this we may reasonably conclude that 2 Samuel records the first approach of the prophet Gad to David, in which the alternative prospect was seven years; whereas the Chronicles account gives us the second and final approach of Nathan to the King, in which the Lord (doubtless in response to David's earnest entreaty in private prayer) reduced the severity of that grim alternative to three years rather than an entire span of seven.

As it turned out, however, David opted for God's third preference, and thereby received three days of severe pestilence, resulting in the deaths of 70,000 men in Israel.


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5. Was Ahaziah 22 (2 Kings 8:26) or 42 (2 Chronicles 22:2) when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
(Category: copyist error)

Because we are dealing with accounts which were written thousands of years ago, we would not expect to have the originals in our possession today, as they would have disintegrated long ago.

We are therefore dependent on the copies taken from copies of those originals, which were in turn continually copied out over a period of centuries.

The two examples of numerical discrepancy here have to do with a decade in the number given.

Ahaziah is said to have been 22 in 2 Kings 8:26; while in 2 Chronicles 22:2 Ahaziah is said to have been 42.

Fortunately there is enough additional information in the Biblical text to show that the correct number is 22.

Earlier in 2 Kings 8:17 the author mentions that Ahaziah's father Joram ben Ahab was 32 when he became King, and he died eight years later, at the age of 40.

Therefore Ahaziah could not have been 42 at the time of his father's death at age 40!

Such scribal errors do not change Jewish or Christian beliefs in the least.

In such a case, another portion of scripture often corrects the mistake (2 Kings 8:26 in this instance).

We must also remember that the scribes who were responsible for the copies were meticulously honest in handling Biblical texts.

They delivered them as they received them, without changing even obvious mistakes, which are few indeed.


I'll stop here for today.   

@trini girl

Thanks for bringing up the already-thought dead issue. Why not take it easy by posting it one after the other so that babs will respond every contradictions? But never mind, babs will still respond to them in the way your posts were arranged.

It is very glaring that you copied everything from the same site babyosis went to seek asistance, but I will still attend to the post to show you that there are contradictions in the bible.

Before I continue, I will advise you go to this thread tagged "the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ" and read for yourself how I analysed the bible using different versions.

1.  The Foundation

The Charge of Contradiction

The Qur'an gives authority to the Bible:
The Qur'an, itself, the highest authority for all Muslims, gives authority to the Bible, assuming its authenticity at least up to the seventh-ninth Centuries.
Consider the following Suras:

Sura Baqara 2:136 points out that there is no difference between the scriptures which preceded and those of the Qur'an, saying, ", the revelation given to us, and Jesus, we make no difference between one and another of them."
Quran 2v136:
Sura Al-I-Imran 3:2-3 continues, "Allah, He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus), as a guide to mankind."

As we proceed, we will know if really the present day Gospel is worth relying on, even Jeremiah 8v8 confirmed it.

"`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?'

Also read Deuteronomy 31:25-29 where Moses (peace be upon him) predicted the corruption/tampering of the Law (Bible) after his death.

The present day bible can not be said to be the gospel given to jesus:

1. Most of the stories were recorded after jesus's death as a result, did not potray the real gospel given to Jesus.

2. Those that claimed to have been the author (mathew, mark, luke and john) can not be held responsible for the gospel.

For example, we will note that every Gospel begins with the introduction "According to, " such as "The Gospel according to Saint Matthew," "The Gospel according to Saint Luke," "The Gospel according to Saint Mark," "The Gospel according to Saint John." The obvious conclusion for the average man on the street is that these people are known to be the authors of the books attributed to them. This, however is not the case. Even the internal evidence suggests that, for instance, Matthew did not write the Gospel attributed to him:

Gospel of Mathew

Mathew 9v9: ", And as Jesus passed forth thence, HE (Jesus) saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and HE (Jesus) saith unto HIM (Matthew), follow ME (Jesus) and HE (Matthew) arose, and followed HIM (Jesus).

Did "Matthew" write this about himself? Why then didn't Matthew write for example: "he (Jesus) saw ME, and my name is Matthew. I was sitting at the receipt of custom…" etc.

The Gospel according to Mark

Please go to http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%2016:9-20;&version=31, where you have it that ((The most reliable early manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20.))

Also in the RSV, the footnote reads and I quote, " Some  of the most ancient authorities bring the book to a close at the end of verse 8. One authority concludes the book by adding after verse 8 the following: But they reported briefly to Peter and those with him all that they had been told. And after this, Jesus himself sent out by means of them, from east to west, the sacred and imperishable proclamation of eternal salvation. Other authorities include the preceding passage and continue with verse 9-20. In most authorities, verses 9-20 follow immediately after verse 8, a few authorities insert ADDITIONAL MATERIAL AFTER verse 14"

Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark. No wonder its being put as foot note.

Hope you understood?

The Gospel according to Luke

The author made it known to us that he was not inspired and also not an eye witness.He made it known to us that he collected it from people, and is is known for sure that he was not inspired by GOD Almighty to write the Book since he didn't mention about any divine inspiration, and he said ", since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, " Is there GOD's inspiration in this?

The author wrote it for the purpose of "his most excellent Theophilus."

For further verification on the above Gospel, pls go to

http://newadvent.org/cathen/14625b.htm
http://newadvent.org/cathen/14625a.htm

There is a serious forgery about Jesus' "resurrection on the third day" claiming that it was foretold in the OT when it wasn't!  Let us look at Luke 24:44-48 from the NIV Bible:

Luke 24v44-48:
He said to them, "This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms." Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. He told them, "This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things.

NOTE: AM still coming to the issue of third day in my write on "was Jesus crucified"

Luke 24:44-48 says that it is written in the Law of Moses (i.e., the Torah) that Jesus will die and resurrect on the third day.  Where in the entire Old Testament (not just in the 5 books of Moses that make up the Law of Moses or the Torah) do you have that?!   Show me one Old Testament verse that prophesized about Jesus' third day resurrection?

The Gospel according to John:

Is john (one of jesus' disciples) the same as the john that wrote the gospel?

"The author is the apostle John, 'the disciple whom Jesus loved' (13:23; 19:26; 20:2; 21:7, 20,24). He was prominent in the early church but is not mentioned by name in this Gospel--which would be natural if he wrote it, but hard to explain otherwise.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1588)"

When one reads this gospel, one would immediately notice that it was not written by John himself.  Let us look at the following verses from the gospel:

John 1:19: "And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?"  (King James Version Bible)

John 1:26: "John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;  (King James Version)
John 3:24: "For John was not yet cast into prison".King James Version)

etc,

3. The authors were not around to witness most of the happenings surrounding jesus christ. They all fled the scene

Sura Nisaa 4:136 carries this farther by admonishing the Muslims to, ", Believe, and the scripture which He sent before him."

We will know if really they are the same with the one given to Jesus (PBUH) as we move on.

In Sura Ma-ida 5:47,49,50,52 we find a direct call to Christians to believe in their scriptures: ", We sent Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him. We sent him the Gospel,  Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein, if any do fail to judge by the light of what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel, "

Again, in Sura Ma-ida 5:68 we find a similar call: "People of the Book!, Stand fast by the law, the Gospel, and all revelation that hath come to you from YOUR LORD. It is the revelation that has come to thee from THY LORD."

No my dear, pls read:
Quran 5v68: Say (O Muhammed saw), " O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! YOU HAVE NOTHING (AS REGARDS GUIDANCE) till you act according to the Torah, the Gospel, AND WHAT HAS (NOW) BEEN SENT DOWN TO YOU FROM YOUR LORD (THE QURAN). Verily, that which has been sent down to you (O Muhammed saw) from your Lord increases in most of them (their) obstinate rebellion and disbelief. So be not sorrowful over the PEOPLE WHO DISBELIEF.

Hope its clearly understood.

To embolden this idea of the New and Old Testament's authority we find in Sura 10:94 that Muslims are advised to confer with these scriptures if in doubt about their own, saying: "If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee. The truth had indeed come to thee from thy Lord."

Hey,  No, No, No. This is what we have
Quran 10v94: So if you (O Muhammed saw) is in doubt concerning which we have revealed unto you, (that your name is written in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel), then ask those who are reading the Book (the Torah and the Injeel (Goespel) before you. Verily, the truth has  come to you from your Lord. So be not of those who doubt.

The above verse even applies to you christians that are saying that the holy prophet wasnt mentioned in your bible.(Deutronomy 18v18, john 14:16, john 15v26, john 14v26, john 16v7-14 and Isaiah 42) According to the Aramaic Bible Society, the word "Paraclete" back then meant the "Praised One".  Muhammad's name was "Ahmed".  Both Muhammad and Ahmed in Arabic mean "The Honored One" or the "Praised One".

For verification, please go to:

http://www.aramaic.org/PARAVLETE.html

Finally, in Sura Ankabut 29:46 Muslims are asked not to question the authority of the scriptures of the Christians, saying, "And dispute ye not with the people of the book but say: We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and that which came down to you."

Trini Girl, why lying. Read what we have
Quran 29v46: And argue not with the people of the scriptures unless it be in a (a way) that is better (with good words and in good manner, inviting them to Islamic Monotheism with His Verses), except with such of them as do wrong:and say (to them); "we believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, our God and your God is One (Allah) and to Him we have submitted (as Muslims)

Allah in the above verse is even telling we muslims to preach to you to accept ISLAM

If the Qur'an was indeed the final and complete revelation, if it was the seal of all former revelations the Muslims claim, than certainly the author of the Qur'an would have included a warning against that which had been corrupted in the earlier scriptures.

But nowhere do we find even a hint that the Bible was contradictory, or indeed that it was corrupted.

Quran 5v13 from the Noble Quran: "But on account of their breaking their covenant We cursed them (Jews and Christians) and made their hearts hard; they altered the words from their places and they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of; and you shall always discover treachery in them excepting a few of them; so pardon them and turn away; surely Allah loves those who do good (to others)."  

Quran 5v41 "O Apostle! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, 'If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!' If any one's trial is intended by God, thou hast no authority in the least for him against God. For such - it is not God's will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment."

Frankly babs, I have no intention of getting into a lengthy debate about the contradiction of the alleged contradictions found in the Bible.

Especially since I have little knowledge of the Qu'ran.

Qu'ran aside and more importantly however, and what I found interesting in this article, is the admission that there are two types of translational errors in the Bible, but it in no way lessens the truth of the Gospel of Christ.

It also attempts to explain, in their opinion the so called contradiction itself, to give people a better contextual understanding of the related scriptures.

@trini girl

Never mind, we will see if really the allegation about the contradictions is not correct.

The issue of Barikade and Babs is still very fresh, you may go there for confirmation of the translational error!

[b]Especially since I have little knowledge of the Qu'ran.[/b]

Then you should have done your verification before posting any Quranic Verse.

Qu'ran aside and more importantly however, and what I found interesting in this article, is the admission that there are two types of translational errors in the Bible, but it in no way lessens the truth of the Gospel of Christ.

It might not have lessen the truth of the Gospel, but can we say the current gospel is the one given to Jesus?

Also, what sort of translational error is that in which a verse is saying 18 and another 118. What is the position of the Holy Spirit here. If they have used a word to replace another it would have been better (synonyms) but for a verse to be saying 6pm and another saying 3pm, is quite unacceptable and very contradicting.

It is very glaring that none of the so called writers/authors (mathew,mark,luke & john)can be held responsible as being the real writers/authors. None of them was around, they all fled. It was only the women that stood from afar witnessing the incident. Little wonder Mary went to the tomb to anoint jesus (never mind, coming to that in my write up on the crucifixion of jesus).

Dont you worry,my next post will not be for you but for Shahan.

babs787:

@trini girl

Qu'ran aside and more importantly however, and what I found interesting in this article, is the admission that there are two types of translational errors in the Bible, but it in no way lessens the truth of the Gospel of Christ.

It might not have lessen the truth of the Gospel, but can we say the current gospel is the one given to Jesus?

Also, what sort of translational error is that in which a verse is saying 18 and another 118. What is the position of the Holy Spirit here. If they have used a word to replace another it would have been better (synonyms) but for a verse to be saying 6pm and another saying 3pm, is quite unacceptable and very contradicting.

It is very glaring that none of the so called writers/authors (mathew,mark,luke & john)can be held responsible as being the real writers/authors. None of them was around, they all fled. It was only the women that stood from afar witnessing the incident. Little wonder Mary went to the tomb to anoint jesus (never mind, coming to that in my write up on the crucifixion of jesus).

Dont you worry,my next post will not be for you but for Shahan.

Babs who refers to himself in the third person as most unstable delusional folk do,

What are you blabbing about again? First of all the passage on the qu'ran supporting the bible was meant to show that the author of the alleged 101 contradictions was in fact contradicting himself in the first place.

You yourself have supported this in saying

No my dear, please read:

Quran 5v68: Say (O Muhammed saw), " O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! YOU HAVE NOTHING (AS REGARDS GUIDANCE) till you act according to the Torah, the Gospel, AND WHAT HAS (NOW) BEEN SENT DOWN TO YOU FROM YOUR LORD (THE QURAN). Verily, that which has been sent down to you (O Muhammed saw) from your Lord increases in most of them (their) obstinate rebellion and disbelief. So be not sorrowful over the PEOPLE WHO DISBELIEF.

Hope its clearly understood.

Hope you clearly understand, that although this sura states to erroneously add thr quran. The Torah is still being confirmed as a resource for guidance.

The gospel that you admitted is true above, was not 'given' to Jesus. Jesus IS the gospel given to us, through his disciples.

As we see above even though modern day translations may contain two type of errors:-

1. Yet we may be sure that the original manuscript (better known as autograph) of each book of the Bible, being directly inspired by God, was free from all error.

2. In spite of the errors it does not take away from the truth documented therein.

Scribes and copyists, according to this source, make two types of scribal errors

1. Spelling of proper names (especially unfamiliar foreign names)
2. Numbers.

With regard to the new testament accounts of Jesus' life, death, and resurrection. Their are slightly different accounts but each one has the same tone. Jesus was resurrected from the tomb, and ascended into heaven. Which is what's important, and which no other so called god or prophet has ever done.

I wonder what you get out of all this your attempted conondrum? You must have way too much time on your hands.

I'm sure shahan might have the time to entertain your nonsense, but I do not.

@trini girl,

I knew that you are not only after the discussion but interested in name calling too. Like i keep saying, you are not the first and will not be the last.You cannot post stupid things here and expect babs to accept them hook, line and sinker.

What are you blabbing about again? First of all the passage on the qu'ran supporting the bible was meant to show that the author of the alleged 101 contradictions was in fact contradicting himself in the first place.

The earlier you accept, the better for you.

Scribes and copyists, according to this source, make two types of scribal errors

1. Spelling of proper names (especially unfamiliar foreign names)
2. Numbers.

I give up having been admitted by you.

@ babs

babs787:

@trini girl,

I knew that you are not only after the discussion but interested in name calling too. Like i keep saying, you are not the first and will not be the last.You cannot post stupid things here and expect babs to accept them hook, line and sinker.

What are you blabbing about again? First of all the passage on the qu'ran supporting the bible was meant to show that the author of the alleged 101 contradictions was in fact contradicting himself in the first place.

The earlier you accept, the better for you.

Scribes and copyists, according to this source, make two types of scribal errors

1. Spelling of proper names (especially unfamiliar foreign names)
2. Numbers.

I give up having been admitted by you.

Had I not accepted it I would not have posted it in the first place, my unstable unworthy opponent 

In fact I don't see how you can describe it as stupid when you yourself conceded and quoted the qu'ran as giving support to the Torah. 

The intended audience of this thread was certainly not for lunatics like yourself, however flies are attracted to good meat so I don't blame you. 

Move on!

@trini girl,

Are you that blind or is there any dirt in your eyes?

In fact I don't see how you can describe it as stupid when you yourself conceded and quoted the qu'ran as giving support to the Torah.

You said I conceded. You never read my post. Ok check these verses blindfolded trinity

Quran 5v68: Say (O Muhammed saw), " O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! YOU HAVE NOTHING (AS REGARDS GUIDANCE) till you act according to the Torah, the Gospel, AND WHAT HAS (NOW) BEEN SENT DOWN TO YOU FROM YOUR LORD (THE QURAN). Verily, that which has been sent down to you (O Muhammed saw) from your Lord increases in most of them (their) obstinate rebellion and disbelief. So be not sorrowful over the PEOPLE WHO DISBELIEF.

Why not remove the covering from your eyes so that you will be able to read very well.

Now read the below verses

Quran 5v13 from the Noble Quran: "But on account of their breaking their covenant We cursed them (Jews and Christians) and made their hearts hard; they altered the words from their places and they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of; and you shall always discover treachery in them excepting a few of them; so pardon them and turn away; surely Allah loves those who do good (to others)."

The Christians altered their books. Read the second verse too

Quran 5v41 "O Apostle! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, 'If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!' If any one's trial is intended by God, thou hast no authority in the least for him against God. For such - it is not God's will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment."

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@blabs787,

babs787:


The Christians altered their books. Read the second verse too

Quran 5v41 "O Apostle! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, 'If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!' If any one's trial is intended by God, thou hast no authority in the least for him against God. For such - it is not God's will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment."

This is hilarious. You try to prove that "Christians altered their books" simply because Muhammad claimed it so in the Qur'an - without evidence?? Maybe you urgently need to address these questions borrowed again from 4get_me:

For those accusing the Bible of having been corrupted (according to the Qur'an), I have a few questions:

#1. what did the original Bible say in John 1:1, Psalm 2:12, and Isaiah 9:6 before Muhammad was born?

#2. who exactly "corrupted" the verses in John 1:1, Psalm 2:12, and Isaiah 9:6 according to Muhammad's accusation?

#3. In what year exactly were John 1:1, Psalm 2:12, and Isaiah 9:6 'corrupted' as accused by Muhammad against the Bible?

#4. What "Psalms" did Muhammad refer to when he stated in the Qur'an that Allah gave the Psalms unto David [Sura 4:163 - ". . and to David We gave the Psalms."]? What exactly did the Psalms say, and how many chapters were they?

#5. Why did Muhammad not mention Isaiah in the Qur'an as one of the prophets of God, even though the Jews recognized him as such, and Jesus quoted from the same Isaiah?

If Muslims have investigated Muhammad's accusations and found them untenable, would they be willing to admit that Muhammad was not telling the truth?

@shahan,

How are you doing, hope fine?

I have decided to leave the thread for trini girl but miraculously stumbled on your questions up.

In order not to deviate and for people to benefit from your questions, I will implore you to open a new thread, give it a befitting title and babs will answer your questions there.

The reason for clamouring for a new thread is that, some topics have been treated in which people never had the opportunity to read through, but by creating a new thread and given it a good topic, will surely draw the attention of people making them go through the topic.

Thanks.

escapist.

@babyosis and shahan,

4 get me's questions are being attended to in another thread.

Take care

babs why r u constantly trying to relegate people to pay attention to you on other threads, but never answering anyone's questions directly?

attention seeker AND escapist.

The list grows.

@trini girl,

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babs why r u constantly trying to relegate people to pay attention to you on other threads, but never answering anyone's questions directly?

attention seeker AND escapist.

My mumu sister,

Dummy trinity girl.

It seems you have something up your sleeves.Are you that blind to the extent of not seeing how your sisters have been following me up and down with those questions.

And if may ask, are you referring to only babyosis and shahan as people or you are inclusive?

My mumu sister, which question havent I answered? Give it to me.

You have also been promoted to "never answering questions"

SO LETS SEE THE UNASWERED QUESTIONS OOOO DUMMY SISTER

babs787:


My mumu sister,

Dummy trinity girl.

It seems you have something up your sleeves.Are you that blind to the extent of not seeing how your sisters have been following me up and down with those questions.

And if may ask, are you referring to only babyosis and shahan as people or you are inclusive?

My mumu sister, which question havent I answered? Give it to me.

You have also been promoted to "never answering questions"

SO LETS SEE THE UNASWERED QUESTIONS OOOO DUMMY SISTER

blundering babs,

my yeye brother,

sontin dey do you! you obviously have nothing better to do than to sit here and try to antagonize people all day.  get a life.

if i take you on you will disappear just as you did when people started calling you "i am waiting". i am not even tempered like shahan.

you are the only one here who will ever accuse me of not answering questions.  queer-queer time waster!

olodo tundebabs!

@trini_girl,

I like that word - "sontin!" E don tay wey I hear correct people use am!

Anyway, we all know babs787 by now. If he was not "waiting"; then it is the cry that his questions have been "ignored!" Beyond that, then it is either denials. . . or he simply refuses to read, so that he could launch the attack against others of "not answering questions." The guy no dey tire when it comes to stuff like that.

But this one. . .

trini_girl:

i am not even tempered like shahan.

. . . I don't understand. I don't know if shahan is "tempered"; although I can't argue against the fact that she's a very intelligent lady. Need I add: you too.

4get_me:

@trini_girl,

I like that word - "sontin!" E don tay wey I hear correct people use am!

Anyway, we all know babs787 by now. If he was not "waiting"; then it is the cry that his questions have been "ignored!" Beyond that, then it is either denials. . . or he simply refuses to read, so that he could launch the attack against others of "not answering questions." The guy no dey tire when it comes to stuff like that.

But this one. . .

. . . I don't understand. I don't know if shahan is "tempered"; although I can't argue against the fact that she's a very intelligent lady. Need I add: you too.

thanks for the compliment.

Bless.

trini if you didn't know babs,you'll soon find out what manner of man he is.

A hypeactive male jumping from thread to thread often making long pastings and saying absolutely nothing.

@ trinity

my tiny sister.

blundering babs,

my yeye brother,

sontin dey do you! you obviously have nothing better to do than to sit here and try to antagonize people all day. get a life.

if i take you on you will disappear just as you did when people started calling you "i am waiting". i am not even tempered like shahan.

you are the only one here who will ever accuse me of not answering questions. queer-queer time waster!

olodo tundebabs!

At times we resorted to name calling in order to drive home one's point. Its part of the game, u hear?

See person wey sabi book. In my last post, I never said that you have not been answering questions ( or you dey sleep while reading my post), all I asked from you is to give me one of the questions I have not answered.

So lets how tempered you are.

Olodo, common simple understanding, she lacked.

You have been promoted to "never answering questions" tiny lady.

@babyosis,

Did you mean hyperactive?

babs787:

@babyosis,

Did you mean hyperactive?

you got the diagnosis right dear.
chei,you are even smarter than I thought.

@babyosis,



Take care and please where is Shahan? I have not heard from her for some days now. Hope she is fine.

Regards

Shahan is actually in Nigeria now visiting,I gathered in another thread.
She may be giving us some good news soon,who knows?
I hear there is a man   blessing in the background but keep it to yourself lol.
You did not hear it from me

congratulobia

Please tell her to extend the I.v , make she no do chop alone ,

I didnt hear anything ooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Stay blessed and my regards to her.

gee. . .once again Blabs787 forgot his regular dosage of them pills. perhaps it's high time you visit your local drug store. hell, you could even get it at a cheaper price. . .who knows

gbade.x.

You are back.

You saw what your bad luck caused us at the carling cup final.

Please you need to go to Okun and Osa and beg the aladuras to wash your head for you so that we will win blackburn o.

Yeye dr gbade. By the way, where is Dr. barikade? Hope the pill has not backfired.

Abeg, make una come refute this one o:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-44339.0.html

@goodguy,

Will meet you there