701ecilana:

He is not out to have a discussion, but to scorn and malign. Don't feed him. Let the thread die.

We feed these people, without us, they die, let them die.

You cannot be so sure

johnydon22:


LOL calm down abeg... una blood too dey hot here well well

lol. Why e no go hot. You know how many tithe and offering they don chop for my hand?

DoctorAlien:
I must note that this is a nice question.

The word "Law" denotes many things throughout the Bible. Sometimes it refers to the 10 Commandments/moral Law which was given on Mt. Sinai(Deut. 33:2). Other times it refers to the totality of the Laws given to Israel while they were encamped at Sinai(Gal. 3:13). It is also used to refer to the 5 Books of Moses i.e Genesis to Deuteronomy(Matt. 22:40).

The totality of the Laws given to Israel at Sinai is (roughly for now)divided into two parts: the moral Law/10 Commandments and the ceremonial law. The moral Law was written on a stone(which symbolizes durability) and is eternal(Exod. 31:18; Psa. 119:152). The ceremonial law was written in a book(easily perishable) and had to do with sacrifices and oblations and other sabbaths which actually pointed to Jesus Christ, the Lamb of GOD. It was never intended to last forever(Dan. 9:27).

So, in answer to the question: we are done with the ceremonial laws which pointed to Jesus' sacrificial works.

Happy Sabbath.

Which law does tithing fall under?

johnydon22:


Kill a proven non-virgin wife : Deuteronomy 22:13-21
Kill stubborn son: Deuteronomy 21:18-21
So are these ceremonial or moral codecs?

Good. In the first post I made on this thread, I stated something: "The totality of the laws given to Israel at Sinai is (roughly for now)divided into two parts..." I stated that, thinking that this argument won't go any deeper than that would suffice. But now, this argument is going deeper and your question now borders on another topic.

So I will, to the best of my ability, try now to divide the Laws given at Sinai into different parts which include: moral Law, ceremonial law, civil law, health law.

Another noteworthy point is that ancient Israel was, politically, a theocratic nation i.e. GOD was her King, the law of GOD(and especially the civil law) was her constitution and the law prescribes punishments for offences. You now understand the death penalties for offences.

Anyway, no nation right now is theocratic.

johnydon22:

which literally means the Law still stands and wasn't nullified?

well that isn't my problem, my problem is: If the Law stands then practise all of it, if not don't practise any of it. I hope they learn from it

According to the bible, the law still stands. No escape for Yahwehists

urahara:


And tithing to has not passed away.

Obviously it can't

How then will pastors eat and acquire midas wealth at the expense of their congregation.

tithe is excluded. Bring ye all the tithe into the warehouse. That there may be meat in my house

johnydon22:


Kill a proven non-virgin wife : Deuteronomy 22:13-21

Kill stubborn son: Deuteronomy 21:18-21

So are these ceremonial or moral codecs?

Lol. U want to add more terrorists to the world problem abi. The Girgasite, Amorites, Terabytes, Megabytes and the Kilobytes they killed those days isn't enough ba

DoctorAlien:


Good. In the first post I made on this thread, I stated something: "The totality of the laws given to Israel at Sinai is (roughly for now)divided into two parts..." I stated that, thinking that this argument won't go any deeper than that would suffice. But now, this argument is going deeper and your question now borders on another topic.

So I will, to the best of my ability, try now to divide the Laws given at Sinai into different parts which include: moral Law, ceremonial law, civil law, health law.

Another noteworthy point is that ancient Israel was, politically, a theocratic nation i.e. GOD was her King, the law of GOD(and especially the civil law) was her constitution and law prescribes punishments for offences. You now understand the death penalties for offences.

Anyway, no nation right now is theocratic.

This doesn't seem to satisfy the purpose and question this thread brings to the table. The question bothers on the status of the Law.

I gave several examples of Old testament Laws still used to judge till this day, for example: Jehovah Witnesses do not eat Pork because the Law forbids it, the person i quoted on the OP brought up the levitical law against tattoo. (Clearly these two are not explicit parts of the 10 commandments)

Now on the same page, many christian sects eat pork with the excuse that the law no longer holds, still they pay tithe and back this practise up with the old testament laws.

This is a doctrinal, theological contradiction if you will.

If the law no longer holds then it no longer does, meaning you can be okay with having a tattoo or being gay as much as you can be with eating pork or wearing clothing of different materials.

But if you chose to obey some part of this old laws and not the others then it falls to the dishonesty practise of cherrypicking.

If we are not to have tattoos because the law is against it, if we are expected to pay tithes because the law expects it then we might as well keep every other part of the law.

So the question is; Do we or do we not?

Or is the cherrypicking the way?

Martinez19:
lol. Why e no go hot. You know how many tithe and offering they don chop for my hand?

Hahahahahaha that is no ones fault, you gave it to the Lord

geoworldedu:

Lol. U want to add more terrorists to the world problem abi. The Girgasite, Amorites, Terabytes, Megabytes and the Kilobytes they killed those days isn't enough ba

Just adding verses and chapters to it brother

Edenoscar2:
Which law does tithing fall under?

DoctorAlien:
In the first post I made on this thread, I stated something: "The totality of the laws given to Israel at Sinai is (roughly for now)divided into two parts..."...

So I will, to the best of my ability, try now to divide the Laws given at Sinai into different parts which include: moral Law, ceremonial law, civil law, health law.

These are the parts of the Law given at Sinai which I can state off my head right now.

Remember, tithing predated Sinai. Abraham gave the tithe to Melchizedek(Gen. 14:18-20). Tithing is clearly a commandment which a Christian would happily keep to show his gratitude to GOD for blessing him and also to show support for GOD's work on earth. You could see see tithing a direct consequence of Commandment 1 in the moral law.

Edenoscar2:


Which law does tithing fall under?

walai, sheeples are very confused set of people. Romans 3:31 says it all.

Johnnydon22

Firstly,
I hope you understand what the word "Christian" means before you opened this this thread?
And I hope you are not confusing the Constitution of Israel in the bible with the ten commandments and then lumping all together as law.....

Secondly,
Virtually, there is no sin you want to commit right now that the words of Jesus Christ doesnt address.....
Its only when you dont know Christ that you get tied up in arguments of the law.

DoctorAlien:
I must note that this is a nice question.

The word "Law" denotes many things throughout the Bible. Sometimes it refers to the 10 Commandments/moral Law which was given on Mt. Sinai(Deut. 33:2). Other times it refers to the totality of the Laws given to Israel while they were encamped at Sinai(Gal. 3:13). It is also used to refer to the 5 Books of Moses i.e Genesis to Deuteronomy(Matt. 22:40).

The totality of the Laws given to Israel at Sinai is (roughly for now)divided into two parts: the moral Law/10 Commandments and the ceremonial law. The moral Law was written on a stone(which symbolizes durability) and is eternal(Exod. 31:18; Psa. 119:152). The ceremonial law was written in a book(easily perishable) and had to do with sacrifices and oblations and other sabbaths which actually pointed to Jesus Christ, the Lamb of GOD. It was never intended to last forever(Dan. 9:27).

So, in answer to the question: we are done with the ceremonial laws which pointed to Jesus' sacrificial works.

Happy Sabbath.

from your explanation non payment of tithe, ladies wearing jeans, eating pork and crayfish is not sinful while not keeping the Sabbath is sinful because it is among the ten commandments which is not ceremonial right?
I like your explanation

felixomor:
Johnnydon22

Firstly,
I hope you understand what the word "Christian" means before you opened this this thread?
And I hope you are not confusing the Constitution of Israel in the bible with the ten commandments and then lumping all together as law.....

Secondly,
Virtually, there is no sin you want to commit right now that the words of Jesus Christ doesnt address.....
Its only when you dont know Christ that you get tied up in arguments of the law.

This still doesn't help

johnydon22:


This still doesn't help

Because you dont know Christ.
Its that simple brah.

felixomor:


Because you dont know Christ.
Its that simple brah.

LOL okay brother, thanks anyway

johnydon22:


LOL okay brother, thanks anyway

You are welcome

felixomor:
Johnnydon22

Firstly,
I hope you understand what the word "Christian" means before you opened this this thread?
And I hope you are not confusing the Constitution of Israel in the bible with the ten commandments and then lumping all together as law.....

Secondly,
Virtually, there is no sin you want to commit right now that the words of Jesus Christ doesnt address.....
Its only when you dont know Christ that you get tied up in arguments of the law.

Since the ten commandments is still relevent for Christians why do they worship on Sundays is Sunday the Sabbath?

Johnydon22,

I have shown you that the word "Law" is used to denote many things in the Bible. I have also enlightened you on the different parts of the totality of the Law which was given at Sinai. I also told you that some parts of the Law are no longer in force right now(the ceremonial laws and the civil laws which governed Israel as a theocratic state). You have an obligation to ask questions like an enlightened man now.

If you're asking whether the OT is still authoritative, I say yes(2 Tim. 3:15-16). Tattooing is obviously classed under the health laws. Apart from the fact that it doesn't project one in the best light possible, all of us know the risks of infection associated with tattooing. So, GOD forbade tattooing in His wisdom, and any wise Christian would avoid tattooing.

The same applies to the food. GOD forbade man from eating somethings(e.g. pork) because they are not the best for him. Since GOD, in His love, prescribed wholesome foods for man, I have no problem abiding by His laws.

johnydon22:


Honestly!!! I do not appreciate the hypocrisy one bit

Are you upset for low response? what if they are busy somewhere else.

The proposition that Law is no longer valid is a "Defensive Mechanism" for some who fail in morality, we are not done with Tue law not yet.

The Law in its entirety, has subdivision just as DoctorAlien had explained, Moral, Ceremonial, Laws for Nazarite, Priest, Pregnant women and those in period, virgin etc

If you look at the and count its about 600 or almost, but then they are not all applicable to everyone. for example am a man but I can't be practising ceremonial law for pregnant women impossible.

there some law that are SPECIFIC to the Israelite and is not applicable to other e.g. Laws for Passover.

If we continued the breakdown, one will realise that a lot of the law is not applicable to Christian. But those one regarding morality is applicable to all.

This is where many Christian are confused.

Proudgorgeousga:


Since the ten commandments is still relevent for Christians why do they worship on Sundays is Sunday the Sabbath?

Show me in the Bible where God command, that Sabbath day is for worship

johnydon22:


This still doesn't help

are you minding them? They don't even know their bible. Romans 3:31 says it all. I have been a christian for years and I have been through many denominations. I can tell that the sheeples are very confused set of people who don't know their bible. Too many denominations and interpretations.

Proudgorgeousga:
from your explanation non payment of tithe, ladies wearing jeans, eating pork and crayfish is not sinful while not keeping the Sabbath is sinful because it is among the ten commandments which is not ceremonial right?
I like your explanation

DoctorAlien:
In the first post I made on this thread, I stated something: "The totality of the laws given to Israel at Sinai is (roughly for now)divided into two parts..." ...

So I will, to the best of my ability, try now to divide the Laws given at Sinai into different parts which include: moral Law, ceremonial law, civil law, health law.

I have addressed tithing on this thread. The law on dressing can be classed as a civil law. This law was to protect Israel from the corrupting influences of the surrounding nations. The laws on kosher(clean, fit) food are obviously health laws prescribed by GOD in His Wisdom. The Weekly Sabbath is a part of the moral Law which is eternal.

GoodMuyis:

Show me in the Bible where God command, that Sabbath day is for worship

remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy.
how do you keep it holy?

GoodMuyis:

Show me in the Bible where God command, that Sabbath day is for worship

remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy.
how do you keep it holy?

Proudgorgeousga:


Since the ten commandments is still relevent for Christians why do they worship on Sundays is Sunday the Sabbath?

For those in Christ, everyday has become Sabbath
Every minute is Sabbath....

They are to adorn themselves as the temple of God

DoctorAlien:


I have addressed tithing on this thread. The law on dressing can be classed as a civil law. This law was to protect Israel from the corrupting influences of the surrounding nations. The laws on kosher(clean, fit) food are obviously health laws prescribed by GOD in His Wisdom. The Weekly Sabbath is a part of the moral Law which is eternal.

so tithing isn't compulsory, failure to tithe doesn't lead to hell right?

felixomor:

For those in Christ, everyday has become Sabbath Every minute is Sabbath....
They are to adorn themselves as the temple of God

CC doctoralien what do you think?

felixomor:

For those in Christ, everyday has become Sabbath Every minute is Sabbath....
They are to adorn themselves as the temple of God

CC doctoralien what do you think?

felixomor:


For those in Christ, everyday has become Sabbath
Every minute is Sabbath....

They are to adorn themselves as the temple of God

where is your scriptural backup? Romans 3:31

GoodMuyis:


Are you upset for low response?

Nope just the act of cherrypicking upsets me thus the need for me to create this thread.

what if they are busy somewhere else.

Yeah probably on a thread with full frontal confrontation, and word banters.

The proposition that Law is no longer valid is a "Defensive Mechanism" for some who fail in morality, we are not done with Tue law not yet.

Pauline Christianity: Grace above actions

The Law in its entirety, has subdivision just as DoctorAlien had explained, Moral, Ceremonial, Laws for Nazarite, Priest, Pregnant women and those in period, virgin etc

fair enough

If you look at the and count its about 600 or almost, but then they are not all applicable to everyone. for example am a man but I can't be practising ceremonial law for pregnant women impossible.

All right?

there some law that are SPECIFIC to the Israelite and is not applicable to other e.g. Laws for Passover.

First council of Jerusalem was to debate whether gentile who become Christians are supposed to be circumcised or not. In other words is whether they should be brought under the law or not.

[That is in fact the origin of "the law no longer holds" in christianity]

Severing christiandom from the law was one of the acts that fully divorced the growing christian cult from Judaism. It was at some point just bunch of Judaic adherents who believed Jesus was the messiah and Son of God.

If we continued the breakdown, one will realise that a lot of the law is not applicable to Christian. But those one regarding morality is applicable to all.

Stoning a non-virgin bride clearly hinges on morality.

This is where many Christian are confused.

Probably