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Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by 701ecilana: 8:45pm On Sep 13
MizMyColi:


Lol
I advise you take a break from NL.
Your psyche's different shades of messed up.
You've allowed this need to be religiously correct fill you with a kind of zeal that borders on being passively violent.

There's a pain you need to heal from.

Moreover, You need attention, loving attention from him ( you know who). But you are being ignored and its making you crazier, its causing you to lose your sense of self.

Dear, there is wisdom in Silence.
Be still.

Your actions on this thread, are they thoughtful, helpful, and kind?
Are they needed?



You are losing it Sis, I understand why, but you need to hold it in and together.

Thanks for your advice as you plunge deeper into sorcery.

You would remember there was a crazy girl who was always there trying to shout you out of darkness, but you insulted her. You'd remember.
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by 701ecilana: 8:46pm On Sep 13
Ranchhoddas:
Always the entertainer.
Yeah, at least i'm known for entertainment, what are you known for?
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by sonofluc1fer: 9:01pm On Sep 13
701ecilana:

You would know, being son of Lucifer and all.
Yup. Much better than believing in a dead Jew.
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by LoJ: 9:05pm On Sep 13
Shall we continue from whence we stopped.

LoJ:
If those accounts are anything to go by, we are left with an intriguing biblical fact: God and satan seem to be one and the same person, or at least, work hand in hand. Interestingly, the account of Job's trial confirms this to be true.

Indeed, throughout the hebrew bible, the existence of an "emperor" of dark forces is hardly if at all present. It is strongly believed that God is the center of both evil and good, light and darkness.

"I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things." Isaiah 45:7
"shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?" Amos 3:6

The wise Solomon states this in very clear terms:

"Then said Solomon, The LORD hath said that he would dwell in the thick darkness." 2 Chronicles 6:1

According to this verse, and numerous others, God's very place of abode is made of thick darkness.

It is only much later, with hellenized christianity, that the idea of a Satan, as the antithesis of God, will be suggested, then imposed. In my personal opinion, the doctrine of "satan" king of Darkness prevailed first and foremost, because it presented a poison, for which the church could easily provide an antidote. Think about the good cop bad cop philosophy.

Come to think of it, satan seems to have almost all the characteristics attributed to God. He seems omnipresent, and quite omnipotent. Whenever a non christian will perform a very powerful feat/miracle, christian will quickly dismiss it as being "from the devil". The matter is so grave, that even christian miracle workers are regularly accused of working with "the devil", or satanic powers. This only translates the fact that in the mind of many, Satan is as powerful, sometimes even more powerful than god. And many are more afraid of him than of god.

The existence of churches that specializes in "delivrance ministry", "spiritual warfare", whereby people are required to fast for tens of days to solve a single simple problem, tells us, how in the mind of most, satan is the real powerful one.

But hey, the invention of satan was a necessary evil for the church. If there was no one to be feared, no attack to run away from, who would be going to church? Who will be paying tithes and offerings, if there was no destroyer? The church exist because of the devil. Do not count on those who benefit from a cause, to suppress that cause for you.

Enough of that. This certainly tells us what satan is not, but does not tell much about what satan is. We will have to look into it in our next installment.

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Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by 701ecilana: 9:20pm On Sep 13
sonofluc1fer:

Yup. Much better than believing in a dead Jew.
Good for you.
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by MizMyColi(f): 9:25pm On Sep 13
701ecilana:

Thanks for your advice as you plunge deeper into sorcery.

You would remember there was a crazy girl who was always there trying to shout you out of darkness, but you insulted her. You'd remember.

Dear Analice.
I'm sorry if you feel insulted.
I spoke to you like I would my sister.
If I wanted to go the insult route (which I was tempted to btw), I would do just that. But what would I achieve from doing so? Nothing positive surely.

My aim of writing in the manner I did is to prick something within you that would cause you to retreat and do some sober reflective soul searching.

I've gone through lots of phases on Nairaland.
My over 20,000 posts in less than 4 years are there for you to see and vet.

I have been good, bad, in-between, savage, you name them.

I get that most people yap about this domain being an online thing....without any real effect.

Well, we all know deep down, that it's a bias, incorrect assertion.

I came to this forum as a real person, in fact, I prayed before registering.
I have been blessed immensely.
My life has never remained the same.

I'm sharing this with hopes that I can reach light within you. Let that light so shine...so that you will stop negativity. So that you will stop being judgemental and deeply acknowledge that our paths are different.
I don't want you to be dragged low anymore.
Please rise above.
An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind.

I sense that you are naturally gentle, unlike me that is a mix of gentle and fire cheesy lol
Please let that gentle spirit take over.

If you are convinced we are sorcerers and satanists, you have done your part as a child of God to warn us. So just BE.

Avoid the vain repetitions.
Jesus our model warned against that too.

Just be still, go within and heal yourself.

You just may find that most of your speak here and there weren't necessary wink

Peace.
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by MizMyColi(f): 9:36pm On Sep 13
LoJ:
Shall we continue from whence we stopped.



Indeed, throughout the hebrew bible, the existence of an "emperor" of dark forces is hardly if at all present. It is strongly believed that God is the center of both evil and good, light and darkness.

"I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things." Isaiah 45:7
"shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?" Amos 3:6

The wise Solomon states this in very clear terms:

"Then said Solomon, The LORD hath said that he would dwell in the thick darkness." 2 Chronicles 6:1

According to this verse, and numerous others, God's very place of abode is made of thick darkness.

It is only much later, with hellenized christianity, that the idea of a Satan, as the antithesis of God, will be suggested, then imposed. In my personal opinion, the doctrine of "satan" king of Darkness prevailed first and foremost, because it presented a poison, for which the church could easily provide an antidote. Think about the good cop bad cop philosophy.

Come to think of it, satan seems to have almost all the characteristics attributed to God. He seems omnipresent, and quite omnipotent. Whenever a non christian will perform a very powerful feat/miracle, christian will quickly dismiss it as being "from the devil". The matter is so grave, that even christian miracle workers are regularly accused of working with "the devil", or satanic powers. This only translates the fact that in the mind of many, Satan is as powerful, sometimes even more powerful than god. And many are more afraid of him than of god.

The existence of churches that specializes in "delivrance ministry", "spiritual warfare", whereby people are required to fast for tens of days to solve a single simple problem, tells us, how in the mind of most, satan is the real powerful one.

But hey, the invention of satan was a necessary evil for the church. If there was no one to be feared, no attack to run away from, who would be going to church? Who will be paying tithes and offerings, if there was no destroyer? The church exist because of the devil. Do not count on those who benefit from a cause, to suppress that cause for you.

Enough of that. This certainly tells us what satan is not, but does not tell much about what satan is. We will have to look into it in our next installment.

The first text I emboldened is one thing I have asked time and again. I asked a number of people. I said, How can we claim to serve an almighty God, and yet exalt Satan more. How can we say that the Lord is mighty and yet we give more attention to the antics of the evil one?

You go to a gathering and all they fill your mind with are thoughts of how the devil is capable of this and that, and then they do not even glorify God more.

The thing made me wonder.

Also, I noticed you write god in all small letters.
I take it there's a reason for that.
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by matrix600(m): 9:44pm On Sep 13
rekinomtla:


The doctrine of otem is from satan and therefore filled with lies.
And Satan is Yahweh who inspired the bible (according to Otem).

So where does that leave us?

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Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by 701ecilana: 9:59pm On Sep 13
MizMyColi:


Dear Analice.
I'm sorry if you feel insulted.
I spoke to you like I would my sister.
If I wanted to go the insult route (which I was tempted to btw), I would do just that. But what would I achieve from doing so? Nothing positive surely.

My aim of writing in the manner I did is to prick something within you that would cause you to retreat and do some sober reflective soul searching.

I've gone through lots of phases on Nairaland.
My over 20,000 posts in less than 4 years are there for you to see and vet.

I have been good, bad, in-between, savage, you name them.

I get that most people yap about this domain being an online thing....without any real effect.

Well, we all know deep down, that it's a bias, incorrect assertion.

I came to this forum as a real person, in fact, I prayed before registering.
I have been blessed immensely.
My life has never remained the same.

I'm sharing this with hopes that I can reach light within you. Let that light so shine...so that you will stop negativity. So that you will stop being judgemental and deeply acknowledge that our paths are different.
I don't want you to be dragged low anymore.
Please rise above.
An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind.

I sense that you are naturally gentle, unlike me that is a mix of gentle and fire cheesy lol
Please let that gentle spirit take over.

If you are convinced we are sorcerers and satanists, you have done your part as a child of God to warn us. So just BE.

Avoid the vain repetitions.
Jesus our model warned against that too.

Just be still, go within and heal yourself.

You just may find that most of your speak here and there weren't necessary wink

Peace.

Thank you sis.
Peace.

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Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by Deicide: 10:06pm On Sep 13
I think they are both titles held by individuals like all of us our Names mean something esp native names....According to the bible, lucifer was a person and that name was what he was called at the time he still had his glory the next person we see having this name was Jesus guess the name was passed down to him which made me to ask was Jesus once an Angel? I also agree with LoJ that Satan and the Jewish God are one and the same person something like personality disorder cheesy The name Lucifer is not actually a bad thing it's actually a beautiful name it means LIGHT BEARER MORNING STAR someone that illuminate brings about Knowledge am actually thinking of naming one of my daughters if i later have one in future LUCY grin
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by segunojo866: 10:08pm On Sep 13
What the difference between God and Lucifer?
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by adepeter2027(m): 10:10pm On Sep 13
segunojo866:
What the difference between God and Lucifer?
God is bad (I mean the monotheistic God)

While Lucy is good
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by segunojo866: 10:15pm On Sep 13
adepeter2027:

God is bad (I mean the monotheistic God)

While Lucy is good
God Is not bad because he doesn't exist angry
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by STUPUDTHEISTS: 10:16pm On Sep 13
mmachi96:
Lucifer was the name God gave to devil while he was still an angel in heaven. The name came from the fact that he was the finest of all the angels God made and he was so talented in music that God made him the head of the heavenly choir. However, when he sinned against God by trying to dethrone God, he lost the whole glory God bestowed on him. He was no more the morning star as his name implied. Therefore God had his name changed to satan or better still devil. I took my reference from the Bible.

Let me grant you the nonsensical drivel you compressed in this post. Don't you realize how silly you sound at the boldfaced words? A small Satan trying to dethrone an omnipotent god that can kill him with the twitch of his fingers. I think you're the archetype of the small-brained Christian. No offense.
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by adepeter2027(m): 10:18pm On Sep 13
STUPUDTHEISTS:


Let me grant you the nonsensical drivel you compressed in this post. Don't you realize how silly you sound at the boldfaced words? A small Satan trying to dethrone an omnipotent god that can kill him with the twitch of his fingers. I think you're the archetype of the small-brained Christian. No offense.
Easy on him bro

cheesy
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by adepeter2027(m): 10:21pm On Sep 13
segunojo866:
God Is not bad because he doesn't exist angry
Go ask God. Not me
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by segunojo866: 10:25pm On Sep 13
adepeter2027:

Go ask God. Not me
if you see the imaginary Mr God tell him to suck my dick dry. The atheist voice
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by adepeter2027(m): 10:29pm On Sep 13
segunojo866:
if you see the imaginary Mr God tell him to suck my dick dry. The atheist voice
Lol
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by rekinomtla: 10:30pm On Sep 13
matrix600:
And Satan is Yahweh who inspired the bible (according to Otem).

So where does that leave us?

Do you believe in his nonsense or are you just playing games here?
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by adepeter2027(m): 10:32pm On Sep 13
rekinomtla:


Do you believe in his nonsense or are you just playing games here?
Hahahahahaha,,, dont be disappointed

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Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by matrix600(m): 10:34pm On Sep 13
rekinomtla:


Do you believe in his nonsense or are you just playing games here?
I'm trying to follow your logic
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by CatfishBilly: 10:49pm On Sep 13
MizMyColi

Check this link out, it deals with this topic perfectly.
It generally agrees with Johnydon22.
https://bible.org/article/lucifer-devil-isaiah-1412-kjv-argument-against-modern-translations
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by smartn09(m): 10:51pm On Sep 13
MizMyColi:
Good Afternoon Friends cool

Been thinking after reading interesting stuff on Sarassin's latest thread; LoJ's post specifically.

When I conceived, I had this moment during meditation that the one I was carrying is a "light bearer."
In that instance, I decided to search for a nameable name that means "light bearer"

I went to consult google, and I saw "Lucifer"
I shrugged so hard. "There's no way I'm naming him that!"
That your child will become the wisest among your kids if you dare give him the name. Ask me why.
But then, I heard this voice in my head telling me that the name "Lucifer" is a fine name and is what it is said to mean.

However, what I have not gotten an answer to is whether or not this Lucifer is same as Devil that was cast out from heaven?

My sole basis for this conclusion is the Christian Bible. However, I wish to glean from other schools of thought on the matter.
Especially from my friends who practice esoteric arts.

I have consulted Wikipedia, but apparently, there's no consensus on there.

What's the difference between Lucifer and Satan?
If Lucifer is same as Satan, would there be a direct consequence if a child is named Lucifer (hoping it means Light-bearer), based on the circumstances surrounding its birth?
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by 0temAtum: 11:35pm On Sep 13
rekinomtla:


The doctrine of otem is from satan and therefore filled with lies.
No, It comes from Atum majorly and then from all the good pagan gods including Olorun, Ohomorihi etc. Satan(Yahweh) is currently held in his spiritual cage with Allah(Lucifer) his friend, so how can this be a doctrine from Yahweh (Satan) the prisoner? undecided
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by hopefulLandlord: 11:44pm On Sep 13
segunojo866:
God Is not bad because he doesn't exist angry

existence and good/bad of a character are not mutually exclusive, Ramsay Bolton doesn't exist yet its bad if you know what I mean
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by segunojo866: 11:58pm On Sep 13
hopefulLandlord:


existence and good/bad of a character are not mutually exclusive, Ramsay Bolton doesn't exist yet its bad if you know what I mean
u re right boss

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Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by mozele(m): 1:17am On Sep 14
MrPresident1:


satan and lucifer are both appellations, they are not specific individuals.

Lucifer means Light bearer. A Lucifer is a person whom God has granted special privileges/abilities above common people. He may be a great leader, a great soldier, a great musician, a scientist or inventor, or a great thinker, a pioneer and a pathfinder, presidents and prime ministers, kings and queens are all lucifers, lucifers are the leaders in their fields and everyone looks up to them.

satan however means adversary, resister of everything good. resister of God.

When God gives any man the capacity to become a lucifer, that person becomes great. His duty is to share light, knowledge and goodness. However, when that person becomes pompous, and begins to use the powers that God has given him for evil and for unedifying activities,he becomes satan. He becomes someone who resists God because in his rebellion against God he will be using his God given 'luciferic' abilities against God.

now i begin to wonder, where did you get all this knowledge from,..
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by Michealforever: 3:53am On Sep 14
0temAtum:
@Adepeter2027 lol
@ d topic, Lucifer, according to the DOCTUFOS OF truth is Allah aka Lar.gas while Satan is Yahweh, aka Nymphidis. When Yahweh and Allah were fighting over power on a great mountain at Eden, they fought and pushed themselves over and they fell into the BOTTOMLESS Pit they earlier dug for the anakims and nephilims. Here is the Doctufos passage:


Who is the author of this book. His imagination is vivid.

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Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by MizMyColi(f): 5:35am On Sep 14
Good morning LoJ

I was just passing by, so I said lemme greet yougrin
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by LoJ: 5:49am On Sep 14
MizMyColi:
Good morning LoJ

I was just passing by, so I said lemme greet yougrin
Hello, how are you? I will move on with the answer right now. But let me address some of the remarks made while I was absent.

MizMyColi:
Also, I noticed you write god in all small letters.
I take it there's a reason for that.
There is no particular reason. I can write it either in capital or small letters. It makes no difference to me, God is not a a personal entity, and God seeks no worship, nor respect. In fact, we are all parts of what we call God, or to be more precise, we are all parts of the God ecosystem.

Deicide:
I also agree with LoJ that Satan and the Jewish God are one and the same person something like personality disorder cheesy
This is not my opinion. I will state mine after. I was simply showing that in the hebrew thought, both evil and good were acts of the divine (and in a way, they are absolutely right, as I intend to explain). My point was to show that satan as a king of demons/darkness, came later in christianity, and the idea endured because it was useful to "keep the ass working" so to speak.

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Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by MizMyColi(f): 6:03am On Sep 14
LoJ:


...

I've wanted to copy your quoting style.
I hope it comes out right though.

I'm fine fine. I believe you and all yours are too smiley
I wish you better feelings and a beautiful day.

Thank you for the clarification.
I understand you.

Personally, when I pray, I don't feel this need to worship the way I was thought to. I just relate. Sometimes, I laugh and make fun faces. Other times I'm filled with so much joy and gratitude that words can't express, so I just keep mum and let my feelings do the talking

But what was Christ talking about when he declared that they that worship him should do so in Spirit and in truth?

I do not intend to deflect your line of thought from the original intent of this thread, so it's okay if we treat what I talked about in this post later.
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by LoJ: 6:14am On Sep 14
In my last submission, I attempted to show that the perspective on satan is very different in the Jewish perspective, and the christian one. No wonder, it is very late in the book of revelation, that the serpent of genesis is regarded and explicitly called the devil/satan.

It is very curious that God would save his people from oppression two times using the image of the devil. First, we are told that God gave a staff to Moses that could turn into a snake (of all animals!). This is the very staff that Moses used all his life as a leader and spiritual man, a staff representing his spiritual leadership.

Second, we see in Numbers 21:8 that when the children of Israel were plagued, God commanded Moses to make a snake (once again!) of bronze to save them. This is interesting because, that act of Moses is supposedly an image of Christ. Why would god identify his "son" to a snake, where the snake be so negative? It is therefore obvious that at least in Jewish thought, the snake was not necessarily an instrument of doom.

This is brings us to the story of the Fall of man. I have indicated in a previous post, that the story is made of many layers of riddles and mysteries, meant for esoteric students. The first layer of truth hidden therein is found when you read the story upside down, in relation to the parable of the prodigal son.

Two sons were living with their very rich father. But they could not enjoy the riches, because they were not conscious of it, aware of it. So one of them decided to take part of the inheritance to go to a "distant land". There he met famine and tribulation, and came back to his father. When he came, there was celebration and he was promoted to a higher status. The apparently faithful son, could only have but sorrows, as his "faithfulness" was never rewarded.

It took an adventure into a distant land, for the prodigal son to be aware and conscious of who he is, and the blessing attached to it. The second son, living in grace all the time, never realized what was really his.

This is precisely the correct reading of the story of Genesis, which is not a Fall (of man), but an adventure into the distant land of Gross matter, in order to awake awareness and self realization of their divine nature. Men in "paradise" were Unclad (like children, unaware and unconscious) and because of that in a foolish paradise of ignorance. Man was good out of ignorance, not good out of knowledge. What is the use of unconscious germs?

So lucifer awoke in them the desire for self realization, shall we say god realization? and it was perfectly the divine plan. Why place a tree in the garden, for man not to touch? Once again, just like in the story of David Job Moses and Jeremiah previously mentioned, we see God and Satan working hand in hand.

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