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|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by 701ecilana: 8:45pm On Sep 13|
MizMyColi:Thanks for your advice as you plunge deeper into sorcery.
You would remember there was a crazy girl who was always there trying to shout you out of darkness, but you insulted her. You'd remember.
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by 701ecilana: 8:46pm On Sep 13|
Ranchhoddas:Yeah, at least i'm known for entertainment, what are you known for?
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by sonofluc1fer: 9:01pm On Sep 13|
701ecilana:Yup. Much better than believing in a dead Jew.
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by LoJ: 9:05pm On Sep 13|
Shall we continue from whence we stopped.
Indeed, throughout the hebrew bible, the existence of an "emperor" of dark forces is hardly if at all present. It is strongly believed that God is the center of both evil and good, light and darkness.
"I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things." Isaiah 45:7
"shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?" Amos 3:6
The wise Solomon states this in very clear terms:
"Then said Solomon, The LORD hath said that he would dwell in the thick darkness." 2 Chronicles 6:1
According to this verse, and numerous others, God's very place of abode is made of thick darkness.
It is only much later, with hellenized christianity, that the idea of a Satan, as the antithesis of God, will be suggested, then imposed. In my personal opinion, the doctrine of "satan" king of Darkness prevailed first and foremost, because it presented a poison, for which the church could easily provide an antidote. Think about the good cop bad cop philosophy.
Come to think of it, satan seems to have almost all the characteristics attributed to God. He seems omnipresent, and quite omnipotent. Whenever a non christian will perform a very powerful feat/miracle, christian will quickly dismiss it as being "from the devil". The matter is so grave, that even christian miracle workers are regularly accused of working with "the devil", or satanic powers. This only translates the fact that in the mind of many, Satan is as powerful, sometimes even more powerful than god. And many are more afraid of him than of god.
The existence of churches that specializes in "delivrance ministry", "spiritual warfare", whereby people are required to fast for tens of days to solve a single simple problem, tells us, how in the mind of most, satan is the real powerful one.
But hey, the invention of satan was a necessary evil for the church. If there was no one to be feared, no attack to run away from, who would be going to church? Who will be paying tithes and offerings, if there was no destroyer? The church exist because of the devil. Do not count on those who benefit from a cause, to suppress that cause for you.
Enough of that. This certainly tells us what satan is not, but does not tell much about what satan is. We will have to look into it in our next installment.
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|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by 701ecilana: 9:20pm On Sep 13|
sonofluc1fer:Good for you.
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by MizMyColi(f): 9:25pm On Sep 13|
I'm sorry if you feel insulted.
I spoke to you like I would my sister.
If I wanted to go the insult route (which I was tempted to btw), I would do just that. But what would I achieve from doing so? Nothing positive surely.
My aim of writing in the manner I did is to prick something within you that would cause you to retreat and do some sober reflective soul searching.
I've gone through lots of phases on Nairaland.
My over 20,000 posts in less than 4 years are there for you to see and vet.
I have been good, bad, in-between, savage, you name them.
I get that most people yap about this domain being an online thing....without any real effect.
Well, we all know deep down, that it's a bias, incorrect assertion.
I came to this forum as a real person, in fact, I prayed before registering.
I have been blessed immensely.
My life has never remained the same.
I'm sharing this with hopes that I can reach light within you. Let that light so shine...so that you will stop negativity. So that you will stop being judgemental and deeply acknowledge that our paths are different.
I don't want you to be dragged low anymore.
Please rise above.
An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind.
I sense that you are naturally gentle, unlike me that is a mix of gentle and fire lol
Please let that gentle spirit take over.
If you are convinced we are sorcerers and satanists, you have done your part as a child of God to warn us. So just BE.
Avoid the vain repetitions.
Jesus our model warned against that too.
Just be still, go within and heal yourself.
You just may find that most of your speak here and there weren't necessary
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by MizMyColi(f): 9:36pm On Sep 13|
The first text I emboldened is one thing I have asked time and again. I asked a number of people. I said, How can we claim to serve an almighty God, and yet exalt Satan more. How can we say that the Lord is mighty and yet we give more attention to the antics of the evil one?
You go to a gathering and all they fill your mind with are thoughts of how the devil is capable of this and that, and then they do not even glorify God more.
The thing made me wonder.
Also, I noticed you write god in all small letters.
I take it there's a reason for that.
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by matrix600(m): 9:44pm On Sep 13|
rekinomtla:And Satan is Yahweh who inspired the bible (according to Otem).
So where does that leave us?
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by 701ecilana: 9:59pm On Sep 13|
MizMyColi:Thank you sis.
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by Deicide: 10:06pm On Sep 13|
I think they are both titles held by individuals like all of us our Names mean something esp native names....According to the bible, lucifer was a person and that name was what he was called at the time he still had his glory the next person we see having this name was Jesus guess the name was passed down to him which made me to ask was Jesus once an Angel? I also agree with LoJ that Satan and the Jewish God are one and the same person something like personality disorder The name Lucifer is not actually a bad thing it's actually a beautiful name it means LIGHT BEARER MORNING STAR someone that illuminate brings about Knowledge am actually thinking of naming one of my daughters if i later have one in future LUCY
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by segunojo866: 10:08pm On Sep 13|
What the difference between God and Lucifer?
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by adepeter2027(m): 10:10pm On Sep 13|
segunojo866:God is bad (I mean the monotheistic God)
While Lucy is good
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by segunojo866: 10:15pm On Sep 13|
adepeter2027:God Is not bad because he doesn't exist
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by STUPUDTHEISTS: 10:16pm On Sep 13|
Let me grant you the nonsensical drivel you compressed in this post. Don't you realize how silly you sound at the boldfaced words? A small Satan trying to dethrone an omnipotent god that can kill him with the twitch of his fingers. I think you're the archetype of the small-brained Christian. No offense.
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by adepeter2027(m): 10:18pm On Sep 13|
STUPUDTHEISTS:Easy on him bro
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by adepeter2027(m): 10:21pm On Sep 13|
segunojo866:Go ask God. Not me
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by segunojo866: 10:25pm On Sep 13|
adepeter2027:if you see the imaginary Mr God tell him to suck my dick dry. The atheist voice
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by adepeter2027(m): 10:29pm On Sep 13|
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by rekinomtla: 10:30pm On Sep 13|
Do you believe in his nonsense or are you just playing games here?
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by adepeter2027(m): 10:32pm On Sep 13|
rekinomtla:Hahahahahaha,,, dont be disappointed
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by matrix600(m): 10:34pm On Sep 13|
rekinomtla:I'm trying to follow your logic
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by CatfishBilly: 10:49pm On Sep 13|
Check this link out, it deals with this topic perfectly.
It generally agrees with Johnydon22.
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by smartn09(m): 10:51pm On Sep 13|
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by 0temAtum: 11:35pm On Sep 13|
rekinomtla:No, It comes from Atum majorly and then from all the good pagan gods including Olorun, Ohomorihi etc. Satan(Yahweh) is currently held in his spiritual cage with Allah(Lucifer) his friend, so how can this be a doctrine from Yahweh (Satan) the prisoner?
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by hopefulLandlord: 11:44pm On Sep 13|
existence and good/bad of a character are not mutually exclusive, Ramsay Bolton doesn't exist yet its bad if you know what I mean
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by segunojo866: 11:58pm On Sep 13|
hopefulLandlord:u re right boss
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by mozele(m): 1:17am On Sep 14|
now i begin to wonder, where did you get all this knowledge from,..
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by Michealforever: 3:53am On Sep 14|
Who is the author of this book. His imagination is vivid.
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by MizMyColi(f): 5:35am On Sep 14|
Good morning LoJ
I was just passing by, so I said lemme greet you
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by LoJ: 5:49am On Sep 14|
MizMyColi:Hello, how are you? I will move on with the answer right now. But let me address some of the remarks made while I was absent.
MizMyColi:There is no particular reason. I can write it either in capital or small letters. It makes no difference to me, God is not a a personal entity, and God seeks no worship, nor respect. In fact, we are all parts of what we call God, or to be more precise, we are all parts of the God ecosystem.
Deicide:This is not my opinion. I will state mine after. I was simply showing that in the hebrew thought, both evil and good were acts of the divine (and in a way, they are absolutely right, as I intend to explain). My point was to show that satan as a king of demons/darkness, came later in christianity, and the idea endured because it was useful to "keep the ass working" so to speak.
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|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by MizMyColi(f): 6:03am On Sep 14|
I've wanted to copy your quoting style.
I hope it comes out right though.
I'm fine fine. I believe you and all yours are too
I wish you better feelings and a beautiful day.
Thank you for the clarification.
I understand you.
Personally, when I pray, I don't feel this need to worship the way I was thought to. I just relate. Sometimes, I laugh and make fun faces. Other times I'm filled with so much joy and gratitude that words can't express, so I just keep mum and let my feelings do the talking
But what was Christ talking about when he declared that they that worship him should do so in Spirit and in truth?
I do not intend to deflect your line of thought from the original intent of this thread, so it's okay if we treat what I talked about in this post later.
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by LoJ: 6:14am On Sep 14|
In my last submission, I attempted to show that the perspective on satan is very different in the Jewish perspective, and the christian one. No wonder, it is very late in the book of revelation, that the serpent of genesis is regarded and explicitly called the devil/satan.
It is very curious that God would save his people from oppression two times using the image of the devil. First, we are told that God gave a staff to Moses that could turn into a snake (of all animals!). This is the very staff that Moses used all his life as a leader and spiritual man, a staff representing his spiritual leadership.
Second, we see in Numbers 21:8 that when the children of Israel were plagued, God commanded Moses to make a snake (once again!) of bronze to save them. This is interesting because, that act of Moses is supposedly an image of Christ. Why would god identify his "son" to a snake, where the snake be so negative? It is therefore obvious that at least in Jewish thought, the snake was not necessarily an instrument of doom.
This is brings us to the story of the Fall of man. I have indicated in a previous post, that the story is made of many layers of riddles and mysteries, meant for esoteric students. The first layer of truth hidden therein is found when you read the story upside down, in relation to the parable of the prodigal son.
Two sons were living with their very rich father. But they could not enjoy the riches, because they were not conscious of it, aware of it. So one of them decided to take part of the inheritance to go to a "distant land". There he met famine and tribulation, and came back to his father. When he came, there was celebration and he was promoted to a higher status. The apparently faithful son, could only have but sorrows, as his "faithfulness" was never rewarded.
It took an adventure into a distant land, for the prodigal son to be aware and conscious of who he is, and the blessing attached to it. The second son, living in grace all the time, never realized what was really his.
This is precisely the correct reading of the story of Genesis, which is not a Fall (of man), but an adventure into the distant land of Gross matter, in order to awake awareness and self realization of their divine nature. Men in "paradise" were Unclad (like children, unaware and unconscious) and because of that in a foolish paradise of ignorance. Man was good out of ignorance, not good out of knowledge. What is the use of unconscious germs?
So lucifer awoke in them the desire for self realization, shall we say god realization? and it was perfectly the divine plan. Why place a tree in the garden, for man not to touch? Once again, just like in the story of David Job Moses and Jeremiah previously mentioned, we see God and Satan working hand in hand.
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