Japhet04:
what did you see

Ryabcool:
A spirit. And we also saw it disappear. It was like when something gradually fades into nothing. I will repeat again; you can be whatever you want to be, but just rule out atheism. Take some time to find what has a strong sense of morality, works with your spirit and most of all, gives you inner peace.

0m0nnakoda:
What does a spirit look like when one sees it .How does one recognize a spirit?

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chemystery:

So because you keep hearing people being scammed makes ritual killing real.
Why are babalawos not among the richest people in the world if actually they possess powers to make others rich

Ryabcool:
lol I know where this is headed. have a great day fam. you are free to believe and disbelieve what ever you feel like

chemystery:

So because you keep hearing people being scammed makes ritual killing real.
Why are babalawos not among the richest people in the world if actually they possess powers to make others rich

Ryabcool:
lol I know where this is headed. have a great day fam. you are free to believe and disbelieve what ever you feel like

0m0nnakoda:
Please let us stop this misinformation . Babalawos have nothing to do with any of this.

A Babalawo is a priest of Ifa (Yoruba religion) just like there are priests of Christianity or Islam etc. If a person parades himself as having power to do money rituals, cast spells etc and the person is Yoruba or perfoms rituals using Yoruba language that does not make them a "Babalawo". We have seen Similar atrocities by so called Imams or Christian "men of God" Reverend King comes to mind. We have seen people being made to drink and eat all kinds of things in the name of "Christianity".

One unfortunate consequence of colonization is the unbridled slander of our Indigenous religions by Christianity and Islam.

If any person purports to do money ritual by definition either he is not a genuine babalawo or if he is he has gone rogue just as may occur with other religions.

There are all kinds of "spiritualists and occultists" practising with Yoruba language that does not make them Babalawos just like similarly some use the bible/Christianity or the Quran/Islam for so called occultism

LeSaint:

You're a fool too, because from your comments, you too believe it works.
And I bet it won't take much to persuade you to try it.

Op, please be properly guided; MONEY RITUALS DO NOT WORK.
Only ignoramuses would believe it works, just like they believe every other rubbish like sowing seeds, love charms, odeshi, magic, witchcraft, etc, etc.
Take it from me, you're on the right path of cultivating a clear, uncluttered, free and futuristic, universally oriented mindset. I'm a senior, and I've been like this since chdhood. And I come from one those notoriously "diabolical" areas.
I was less than ten years old when I started questioning and testing everything, after the native rainmaker failed to hold back rain for my great dad's funeral. I've also caught people burying fetish objects on behalf of pastors, only to arrange a paid prayer mission in the near future to "divinely" locate and unearth them.
You'll know that these things don't work by the way the western world regard us when we make noise about them. They laugh us to scorn, because they themselves overgrew such centuries ago, when science was in infancy.
Some people would tell you, ah, this is African o!
As if it's not the same natural laws that rule the entire universe. Evil is in people's minds, nowhere else. It's natural laws that are in effect in everything you observe, except when evil minded people act contrary.

einsteino:


this is what happens when you know little but dont know enough. Your whole hypothesis collapses when you get enlightened enough to know human organs can not just be ripped out of a body and transferred to another like it is a machine part. To be eligible as an organ donor in majority of cases, you have to remain alive or at worse brain dead, other forms of death such as cardiac death renders one ineligible. Moreso the organs cant just be ripped up even from an eligible donor, it requires a surgical process and the organs to be delicately preserved/kept alive. try reading more about "medical" organ harvesting and transplant.

if this werent the case, we would have been able to just drive to a morgue/mortuary to harvest all the organs we need for transplant. on the contrary what is obtainable is to harvest organs of terminal patients close to the time of death.

mozele:


scammed? Na. I'm talking of the victims and the fate of those that engaged in it.

There are things ordinary words we use cant explain. Since you are still in doubt, why dont you undertake and investigative research on this issue. It'll pay off big time. Or you can pray to be just a victim then you'll understand better.

chemystery:
I strongly agree with you. Only intended using a single word anyone could easily relate with

0m0nnakoda:
Everyone can relate with?


That is an unfortunate and lazy way of feeding prejudice of a group considered too small to protest, Muslims would not accept that. We need to be more mindful of the damage that careless and disrespectful use of words can cause. Those who live abroad see the same kind of thing applied to Nigerians ,black people etc. Only yesterday there was a thread about the former VC of OAU Ife a well known Babalawo on Nairaland which was very positive.

Do not Christian or Muslim clerics engage in money rituals?
So why did you not use the word Imam instead?

chemystery:

Those who believe in magic claim there are black magic as well as white magic.
And babalawos are known to practice one or both. If ritual killings falls under black magic, why can't I associate them with babalawos or juju priest?

0m0nnakoda:
Actually you are wrong and ignorant. Babalawos do not practise any kind of magic.
Is TB Joshua known to practise magic? Is Enoch Adeboye known to practise magic? Is their magic white or black?

Where do you get this nonsense that Babalawos practise magic? Those are NOT babalawos that is misinformation.
Maybe you are talking of Oniseguns who are very different from Babalawos.

Very very different

What is juju priest and why associate them with Babalawo ? What is the connection

chemystery:
OK, their area of specialization in scam is actually your problem not mine.
So can I rest now?

einsteino:



what you are talking about is completely different from what he is alleging.

yes whenever you read a story about a person "donating" an unpaired major organ, the "donor" had to be killed. Major organs like the heart and liver are no good when "harvested" from a cadaver. The person has to be alive with a living, beating heart circulating blood throughout the body in order to keep the other major organs alive. No hearts, livers, pancreases, etc., are harvested from truly dead individuals. A person must be "kept alive" until his organs are harvested. The last one taken is the heart because that is what kills the "donor." You can't live without a heart.

Our friend here claims they put kidneys in a bag and label it 25k.. that isnt the same as the illegal organ harvesters who have facilities for harvesting and preserving organs, mind you as far as i know, illegal organ harvesters are govt backed (in the case of china) and most of these operations are carried out in hospitals or offgrid facilities owned by syndicates, they are surgical operations performed by doctors not barbarians hiding in a forest with nothing other than knives. what we have in nigeria is simply ritualist or cannabilist not organ harvesters. Cases of body parts missing is older than Nigeria and the field of transplanting itself, so who were the organs harvested for in those times?

I am not even interested in the debate of wether money rituals works or not, all i am challenging is the merit of his hypothesis. most of the accounts we have read of these cases indicates their victims were killed using coventional means and their organs ripped not harvested, in some cases people were caught with organs that even a secondary school student should know is already dead. or do you want to also say Nigerians who were caught with human head harvested them for transplant purposes?

i dont want to go back and forth over this, you can research the internet to discern the difference. if you arent satisfied, it is best you continue with the opinion you are covinced with.

0m0nnakoda:
You are unintelligent and you have no one to tell you

Desyner:
Research money ritual among Jaimacan and stop talking of point.

chemystery:
Lol! Argumentum ad hominem

chemystery:
If you challenge someone, the onus is on you to make the arrangement so you don't start saying I went for the fake juju man. Make arrangement, choose you location and juju man. Quote me again when you are ready

tintingz:
Ritual killing act exist but I don't believe in the magical bullshit behind it that we heard or shown on nollywood.

Now you haven't answer the question, why didn't any juju worked on the white colonial when they came to Africa? That alone has diminished the so called juju power

0m0nnakoda:
Funny dude if you want to continue the discussion I am here answer the point I raised in my penultimate post.You saw you were running out ot arguments and chose deliberately to to be obtuse so here it is again answer the questions or go and play


Babalawos do not practise any kind of magic.
Is TB Joshua known to practise magic? Is Enoch Adeboye known to practise magic? Is their magic white or black?

Where do you get this nonsense that Babalawos practise magic? [/b]Lol, strawman fallacies. Like I said before, those are you problems not mine!


Those are NOT babalawos that is misinformation.
Maybe you are talking of Oniseguns who are very different from Babalawos.

Very very different

[b]What is juju priest and why associate them with Babalawo ? What is the connection ?

Vickiweezy:
Money rituals is for lazy fools!!

What comes easy won't last long, perfection takes time.

Hard work pays!

uvalued:



Wow, your – doubt fear doubt fear doubt fear.

CURIOSITY HAS OPENED A LOT OF HIDDEN KNOWLEDGE
I thought that atheistic scientist/adventurers are so curious to know and prove that all things are just natural and no spiritual? But from your post I think you are genuinely afraid of taking up this challenge.


ATHIEST DONT BELIEVE IN SPIRITUAL
If you remember, I stated that I condemn ritual killing but you and your ilk have said that there is nothing SPIRITUAL/SUPERNATURAL that result into money about ritual killing. So the onus is on you that MADE the claim that there is NOTHING spiritual. I NEVER made the claim you did or didn’t you?


CASE STUDY - OGUN STATE
To further help in you fulfilling your quest, I zeroed in on south west and precisely Ogun state. Why, On nairaland, you would remember that people have been caught with human parts around that area this is why I suggest where you can start your quest.


MANGO PARK AND CHRISTOPHE COLUMBUS EXPEDITION

On giving you a babalawo, I smiled with amusement at your request. From my history class, when mango park wanted to find the source or the flow of river niger, can you show where he was given name of the chief he would meet on the way? Or Christopher Columbus on his expedition to the Americas, was he given the name of the Indian chief to meet? No. If I can remember, they gathered their supplies, collected men and arms for this quest and mango park died because of malaria. So if you are on a quest to find or prove something, it is expected that you prepare yourself for the worst and as I said it will be your life time achievement to knowledge if you died in your quest. Are you not ready to be an atheistic missionary to prove your disbelief?


CONTACT ATHIEST ASSOCIATION IN NIGEIA

Furthermore, if I recall some time ago on nairaland,Humanistic association registered with Corporate Affairs Commission (http://blog.atheist.org.ng/2017/) . Now that you have an association, you can see them up to setup and support your quest to prove that there is nothing spiritual about ritual killing. And am sure they would gladly support you or raise support for you.


USE OF TECHNOLOGY


In the modern era, technology has made it more easy to share info real time all the time using phones… you can make use of google map, have a page on nairaland to be feeding all your quest so far to the unknown… you can use thuraya as well… get security as well… etc and surely you will be given a life time award even if you die to the cause of knowledge…

What say you chemystry?

obekediamondfuto:


du@fuc

hard work doesn't pay anymore, r u just starting life?

gone are the eras of physical Giants, the era of mental Giants are also slowly giving way for the era of spiritual Giants... smart work is the new hard work.
.

goan ask those into hard work full time.... ask them if it pays, if the slap no reset ur brain then come for spiritual counselling

Vickiweezy:



ObekediamondFUTO, you disappoint me and to even think you're a student of FUTO. If u in d streetz you should know dat hard work pays. To be big and catch ur dreams, u gotta hustle, u have to grind, you have to work hard. You don't need to sacrifice human life, that's BS.
Hustle don't need such BS.

Deicide:

Our Ancestors that believed the Earth was Flat know better? That thought the sun revolved around the earth? That though lightning and thunderstorm were because one of the Gods was Angry and the needed human sacrifice? Should i go on am sorry our Ancestors didn't know any better than we do today. Now is the better time to start grabbing knowledge wherever you can as for me i would only accept verifiable evidence.

Man do Evil things and they should stop blaming their evil actions on an imaginary being. People should learn to take responsibility for their actions

profmallor:

see now you dont even know your own history. Its white people that did all those story you listed, your ancestors were fighting wars, enslaving other tribes and villages, sacrificing whole humans and new borne babies to acquire power. Yes, spiritual and demonic power for dominating other humans. The sort of power that makes blood money look like childs play. Knowledge is good yes, but even that is relative. What is knowledge today is disputed tomorrow as technology and science as the white man defines it evolves. Africa has its own techonlogy if you must know, and one of such is this topic being discussed. Know your history so your understanding of your future can be clearer.

And I still insist, a black man as an atheist is a very sad story.