ScepticalPyrrho:
If I can see this God or gods, we wouldn't be talking about believe, would we?

vaxx:
why do you belive there is no reasons to belive otherwise?... You can't escape the definition if you are an atheist...

butterflyl1on:


If there is no reason to believe that the religious gods do not exist then what were your reasons to disbelieve?

vaxx:
if that is the case.....you do not fall under atheism dogmatism... You belive in god(evidence of faith) , you do not see the need to belive in one( skeptic) therefore you are labelled a skeptic agnostic ....any way why do you think there is no need...you answer here may change your labellings again?

ScepticalPyrrho:
Because the religious beliefs doesn't make sense.

vaxx:
what my op is doing is simply giving the real definition of atheism....and yours is subjective.... Which simply contradict scientist atheist....how can bad be measure ,is it testable?so there is nothing like moral atheist which you claim you are? According to science definition.... There is nothing like bad or good

butterflyl1on:


Sorry but this is a contradiction.

If you do not believe there is a god it simply means you disbelieve a god exists and this in itself translates to you believe there is no god.

butterflyl1on:


Such as?

AgentOfAllah:

Personally, I hate labels. They caricaturise their victims! But if I must be labelled based on beliefs, then I am an agnostic (I don't know if god exists) atheist (I don't believe in god's existence).

Asking me why I think there is no need to believe in god is the same as asking me why I think there is no need to believe that invisible ninjas live in my eyes. Simple: I see no need to! The question really should be why you think I should believe in god.

ScepticalPyrrho:
Believing in the existence of Yahweh, Vishnu, Odin, Allah.... And many more I can't remember right now...

chemystery:

Where did i claim to be a moral atheist?

butterflyl1on:


You believe that their could be an all powerful creator of everything yet see no need to believe there is one. You are simply irreligious. You need something to hold on to but can find none. You seek validation but have none.

AgentOfAllah:


Okay mr. labeller in chief! When you're done shredding me with your blazing psychoanalytic skills and putting me in your little labelled boxes, don't forget to tape, validate and ship the boxes to oblivion. Before shipping, handle my shredded pieces with care and did I mention? Carry out multiple validations for good measure!

butterflyl1on:


I meant what are the beliefs you find that do not make sense.

vaxx:
you are subjetive in your perspective....

ScepticalPyrrho:
All of the various/numerous dogmatic positions and suppositions held by religious people.

chemystery:
Hmmmm...A perspective that you only know about. Can I see it please?

vaxx:
you are right... But for the purpose of this op...which simply state that atheism by definition is a problem... Which no one has been able to refute the claim.....you said you see no need...and I wannner know why....the invisible ninja may be a sort of help if there is evidence.... Not to derail the topic... Why do you see no need

butterflyl1on:


Why do you see no reason to believe?

AgentOfAllah:


Do you believe in the flying spaghetti monster? If not why not?

ScepticalPyrrho:
All of the dogmatic positions and suppositions commonly held by various religious groups.

butterflyl1on:


You need to be more specific than that. You are already an atheist which means you have this information readily available so indulge me. What specific beliefs do not make sense?

ScepticalPyrrho:
I don't think we can exhaust all of the beliefs held by religious people...

One commonly held is the idea of salvation, eternal life, loving creator, achieving a state of enlightenment or awareness, reincarnation, blood sacrifices, praying or prayers, special knowledge to a exercise that will make your life or living superior.....

I can go on and on...

Belief in supernatural beings who interferes or do not interfere with our physical existence is absurd.

butterflyl1on:


This is the thing. Simply answer the question. My reasons are not yours. So your specific reasons if all I seek. Why do you see no need to believe?

AgentOfAllah:


There is just as much evidence for invisible ninja as there is for any imperceptible version of god. Can you tell me why you don't see a need to believe there're invisible ninjas in your eyes?

vaxx:
you fall under moral athiest....which contradict scientists atheists who claim for any evidence to be claim...it must be testable, measurable. ..and most of the religious belive do are not testable or measurable.... Like heaven and hell, like God and Satan.....they can't be scientifically proven..

butterflyl1on:


What's your view about existence? How life came about.

vaxx:
that is not good enough in argument.... I throw you a question ....answer mine, then throw yours...but I will answer yours..... Well I see need to belive there is invisible ninja... It may be a sort of help or disaster if I reject the belive ... What about yours...why do you see no need to belive in God...

ScepticalPyrrho:
I also hold this view...

It is the most reliable form of proof as we have come to find all through human history.

Besides the moralists argument can also be directed towards providing evidences for past sin and punishments as proofs for a "God of justice".

AgentOfAllah:


The clue is in the meaning of the word 'need'! Need is a very specific thing. When someone has no need for something, there is no obligation to justify their lack of need.

Me: I see no need to eat butterflies.

You: Oya, why do you see no need to eat butterflies?

This is a pointless exchange!

I'm sure your line of questioning makes sense to you, but it doesn't to me. If you think I am mistaking to see no need, then convince me, I am all ears (or eyes)! But asking why I see no need is quite simply a stupid question.

butterflyl1on:


I cannot tell you why you should see a need when I do not even know why you see no need. You see no need means you have reasons why you see no need so what are they?

AgentOfAllah:


A need is something that is useful in one way or another.

Believing in god hasn't proven useful to me, and disbelieving hasn't proven disastrous either. So I see no need!

vaxx:
so have you seen atheism by definition is a problem?