Empiree:
that's the young turk's turkey's problem. He was ally of the Jews and stuff and even made attempt to have Muslims pray salat in English but failed. Still don't get how this affect the issue of Palestine?. Are you saying Palestinians don't have tawhid is the reason they are in this situation? . That's the point. And that point is the weakest if the weak this sheikh raised.





smh, I even opposed morsi's approach to implementing the law. He feel in the trap set for him. MB lacks wisdom. That's why they are in garbage bin now.

Fundamentalist:
..

Empiree:


sir, this doesn't prove anything. There is nothing wrong enjoying yourself. Other arabs attend concert and have fun too. I don't understand what you are trying to prove.

In the time of the prophet (saw) in the phase of war, they still organized their wedding parties. They ate and danced.

What the problem? .

Stalwert:


I don't think you got the point I was making, we should always talk about Tauheed but we shouldn't also neglect other important aspects of the Quran. We should not neglect injustice being perpetrated on Muslims nor should we ignore the plight of the Palestinians. Islam has always been an inspiration to change.

Fundamentalist:


Its seems you misunderstood my question I mean who (singular) is at the fore front of this movement . I mean political figure like President, ministers, advisers e.t.c give me their names and religious identity

AbdelKabir:



Like ibn qayyim said, everything verse of the Qur'an talks about tawheed.

Stalwert:


They are several factions within Palestine working for a peaceful or otherwise solution are being led by Muslims. Internationally there are people of all works of life working for the rights of Palestinians to be upheld.

Fundamentalist:


The Palestinian struggle is seen more by the Arabs as their struggle my friend.

The leaders of the movement are not Muslims.

If we are to following the Qur'an. The Jews are never to be trusted in any form of agreement. Do you know how many agreements, accords and so on that has been agreed between Arabs and the Jews regarding Palestine right from early 20th century.

Did you know that the same Palestinians in collision with Egypt and Syria were responsible for the fall of the last Islamic caliphate (Ottoman empire). What happened at the end of the day

I watched an interview regarding this issue by Al-Jazeera three days ago, the person who was interviewed is a senior adviser to the Palestinian president, he was asked what would be the next step taken against trump for declaring Jerusalem as the Israeli capital, all he could answer was that , "we (Palestinians) are peaceful people and we are open to dialogue" . she oro niyen


This is the reason the west see fundamental Islam as a threat, even professor Huntington the author of clash of civilizations made this statement

Fundamentalist:


As a Muslim I'm for anything islam, the moment tribalism enters I'm off. This is the basic reason scholars who follows the sunnah express as regarding Arab nationalism in which many elements including the pre PLO are standing for.

Learn to differentiate between both, one is for jahiliyyah (Arab nationalism) while the other is shar'iyyah (Islam)

Stalwert:


So let's assume all of PLO followed nationalism ( of course the prophet Muhammad pbuh warned against tribalism) does that mean there isn't a soul in Palestine that follows Islam who we should fight for? Does that mean the prophet's teachings that we should do justice in our dealings with even unbelievers means nothing? Does this mean we shouldn't fight for oppressed people who reject Islam but nevertheless are being oppressed? There is always a danger in seeing something from one prospective and that is why I said the Quran speaks on several aspects of human life. That the PLO took to nationalism doesn't mean every Palestinian followed suit. The issu of Palestine transcends PLO as the Israelis are perpetrating ethnic cleansing, murder, destruction etc. Focusing on just PLO and ignoring the more horrible things going is just not on anyone interest.

Empiree:
^ if tawhid is in every ayah of Quran, which i don't dispute, why did the Sheikh seek protect and refuge from non-muslims to set up their military bases on the land of the prophet(s)?

Empiree:
I really don't want to hear flimsy story about palestine being part of the decline of Ottoman. Too late to come up with this bs. We know the story.

As for the man who was interviewed, i am not really disputing Fatah faction. I have told you before that's the reason they split. Did you not seen this on national news in 2005 when sectarian fell out within palestinians?. I am afraid that you guys are being fed nonsense to give up on ard muqadasa. This is the last Ummah. There is no Ummah after this. This is the only Ummah that believe in Allah and the Last Day, and this is the Ummah to inherit the earth(Holy Land). If you insist that those leaders are not muslims bcus they did not rule by God's Law but for themselves, then, the same logic applies to a Sheikh who issued fatwa in early 90s to seek refuge and protection with non muslims to set up their army bases in Saudi and its vicinity for the sole purpose of safeguarding and protecting them from their "enemies" (fellow muslims). In another word, this is alliance which Qur'an forbids, and by your logical reason, they too are not muslims.

Overall, it seems you dont get it. You are indirectly saying that if Israel starts bombing them again, we should just say "it is their (palestinians) fault bcus they deviate from tawheed and sunnah". This makes sense to you?. You know this is the same thing they said in 2008 and 2014. This is the excuse they gave for not helping those people militarily. There is no ummah after this. If they (palestinians) make mistakes or deviate still doesn't make them any less muslims. This is the last Ummah. No matter how much they are "misguided" as you want me to believe, there is no new ummah to take over. When bani israeli deviated, Allah replaced them after their second failure. This Ummah will not be replaced. So now, what if they have "tawhid" which you claim they don't have, and then israel still bomb them, what are you gonna do about it?.

I am sorry man, what you are preaching is irrational and defective.

Stalwert:


So let's assume all of PLO followed nationalism ( of course the prophet Muhammad pbuh warned against tribalism) does that mean there isn't a soul in Palestine that follows Islam who we should fight for? Does that mean the prophet's teachings that we should do justice in our dealings with even unbelievers means nothing? Does this mean we shouldn't fight for oppressed people who reject Islam but nevertheless are being oppressed? There is always a danger in seeing something from one prospective and that is why I said the Quran speaks on several aspects of human life. That the PLO took to nationalism doesn't mean every Palestinian followed suit. The issu of Palestine transcends PLO as the Israelis are perpetrating ethnic cleansing, murder, destruction etc. Focusing on just PLO and ignoring the more horrible things going is just not on anyone interest.

Fundamentalist:


" A SHEEP IS NEVER INNOCENT IN A CASE JUGDED BY WOLVES " - FUNDAMENTALIST

Empiree:
^ if tawhid is in every ayah of Quran, which i don't dispute, why did the Sheikh seek protect and refuge from non-muslims to set up their military bases on the land of the prophet(s)?

Demmzy15:
This is a thread about the Palestinian issue not about military bases. You can open another thread for that, I've noticed that whenever discussions aren't going in your favor you begin to derail!

Demmzy15:
This is a thread about the Palestinian issue not about military bases. You can open another thread for that, I've noticed that whenever discussions aren't going in your favor you begin to derail!

Fundamentalist:


The leader of this movement is Mahmud Abbas who is not a Muslim but a follower of bahar faith.

Empiree:
This is Mahmoud abbas in the masjid praying two rakat before Khutba. He isn't muslim abi?. Kontinu



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F9ekahMl8M

Fundamentalist:


Baha'i faith considers all religion are from God ? Don't let something like this deceive you

Empiree:
where did you get Baha'i faith on his profile?. Wiki doesn't even display his religion affiliation

Fundamentalist:


So I should conclude that these people are also Muslims

Empiree:
where did you get Baha'i faith on his profile?.

In an interview with Ha-aretz, Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) says (after many other things) that he is still awaiting an apology by former Mossad chief Shabtai Shavit, who said in a newspaper interview that Abbas belongs to the Bahai faith. Shavit explained at length in the interview that a Bahai cannot become a Palestinian leader. That false rumor has been lately disseminated by people with ill-will toward Abbas. He is angry at The Jerusalem Post for prominently reporting that posters claiming he is Bahai are appearing in Arab countries. “This is not the first time that people spread that malicious rumor. I sued a Jordanian newspaper for publishing it. Regrettably, the person I sued passed away before the court ruled unequivocally that the report was false. I am a believing Muslim, son of a family of believers, and committed to the religion’s commandments.”

Empiree:
listen, stop this crap. You aint making point


Read For Yourself

https://sensday./2012/07/15/on-not-being-bahai-palestinian-prime-minister-mahmoud-abbas/

Fundamentalist:


Talking about disappointment, I'm very disappointed in you.

With your level of knowledge, you quoted a blogger's webpage as an evidence.

Oda, How can we verify your claim?

Fundamentalist:


Talking about disappointment, I'm very disappointed in you.

With your level of knowledge, you quoted a blogger's webpage as an evidence.

Oda, How can we verify your claim?

then, the same logic applies to a Sheikh who issued fatwa in early 90s to seek refuge and protection with non muslims to set up their army bases in Saudi and its vicinity for the sole purpose of safeguarding and protecting them from their "enemies" (fellow muslims).

Fundamentalist:


Talking about disappointment, I'm very disappointed in you.

With your level of knowledge, you quoted a blogger's webpage as an evidence.

Oda, How can we verify your claim?

Empiree:
^^

You noticed that right?. He bounced when I brought that up