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The source of Yoruba from Benin is very authentic.

THE statement credited to Oba Erediauwa Omonoba Uku
Akpolokpolo, that the Yoruba race originated from
Benin Kingdom, was very rich in details and calls for
re-examination by historians of high repute from all
the Nigerian Universities and recognised institutions
not from uneducated and bias sources of chambers or
shrines of some Obas or traditional rulers as
presently being envisaged or contemplated. The
statement from Ooni of Ife disputing the fact of Oba
of Benin was not strong enough.

I was fascinated by the different versions of
uncoordinated folk stories we were told about the
origin of the Yoruba. As a Yoruba man from Abeokuta I
was told Oduduwa was the first man created by God just
like the Bible said Adam and Eve were the first to be
created by God.

The Bible says Cain the only surviving child of Adam
and Eve went to another city called Nod to marry his
wife. The question is who created the wife, the wife's
parents or the family of the in-law if any. Just like
I asked in my innocent mind as a student in the
primary school then who created Oduduwa and how did
Oduduwa marry his wife? My Teacher never told me the
answer. We were even told Oduduwa was the son of
Lamurudu from far East in Saudi Arabia and that some
of ourYoruba cousin can be found in Uganda. Many
conflicting stories which are very difficult to prove
or binding on history.

These are some of the missing gaps of history.

Oduduwa had sixteen children we were told and the
eldest was Orangun of Ila and the Egbas in Abeokuta
were descendants of the female child of Oduduwa named
Alaketu. None ever disputed the fact that Oranmiyan
the last born of Oduduwa also ruled the Benin Kingdom.
Why did Benin allowed the last child of Oduduwa to be
made a king over them or his descendants, if there was
no blue blood connection? Oba of Benin gave a
detailed account of fact of history that are very
difficult to dispute.

The Yoruba share so many things in common with the
Edo's in names and culture, which must be the reason
why it is very difficult to dispute the version of
Omonoba Uku Akpolokpolo

Again, to the Bible, Adam and Eve never told or shown
Cain the only surviving child the Garden of Eden where
God created them, just like Oduduwa never shown the
place and real evidence how he was created by God.
Archeologically, the Yoruba race is not more than 2000
years meaning other tribes existed before the Oduduwa
appearance. None availability of any other serious
fact to negate this lend credibility to Oba Benin's
version.

Two versions of history

Both version of History from Oba of Benin and Yoruba
agreed that Oramiyan the last son of Oduduwa returned
to Ife from Benin after he installed his son, Eweka
the first as Oba of Benin. He met his father Oduduwa
who was very advanced in age and blind, more also all
properties had been shared and distributed among his
fifteen brothers and sisters. Alternatively, seven
brothers according to Oba of Benin, Oduduwa was at a
dilemma on what to do because he assumed Benin Kingdom
would be enough as Oranmiyan's inheritance. Both
version of history agreed that the name Benin meant
"the land of the annoyed" because Oranmiyan left the
place in annoyance. Again, Oba of Benin was right on
this.

Oduduwa found an easy way out. He gave Oranmiyan his
staff as symbol to show his brothers and sisters to be
able to collect ten percent of revenue derived from
yearly harvest through out Yoruba land. With this,
Oranmiyan was able to collect over 150 percent of all
the returns throughout the uncoordinated kingdom.
Oduduwa also grudgingly agreed to allow his last son
Oranmiyan to be king at Ile Ife after his death. The
reason for this was unknown as this was against the
custom and tradition of giving priority to first child
or son who was Ila of Irangun. On the other hand,
could it be said that Orangun was too afraid to
challenge his junior brother or Oranmiyan was indeed
the senior? This is something the present Orangun of
Ila should explain.

Oduduwa was primarily a priest and voodoo man. It is
said until today that it is only one day that is free
of ritual worship in Ile Ife and the day is never made
public. Oduduwa took vacation just for one day. In one
of the ritual ceremonies where nobody was allowed to
be seen outside, a foreign woman of no means of
tracing her background was captured and was to be used
as scarifices for the gods. She was later spared
because she was found to be pregnant beside, it was
against ritual requirement. The child from the woman
was dedicated to the gods and act as a servant to
assist Oduduwa in his day-to-day ritual and voodoo
job. The child was named Ooni: meaning "this is Spared
One"

After the death of Oduduwa his son, Oranmiyan was
invited to take over the job of his father, which was
primarily ritual and voodoo, as well as traditional
ruler of Ile Ife. Oranmiyan refused because he had
succeeded in building an economically viable place at
Oyo Ile with administratively sound method of
government around the Oyomesi council in chief and it
would be degrading to leave this and move to Ile Ife
to be involved in daily ritual sacrifices.

Oranmiyan gave a condition that he must be buried at
Ife to symbolise his right to Ife thrown. It was on
condition of this that Ooni the son of the slave
woman that was captured and dedicated to gods that was
assisting Oduduwa continued the work of Oduduwa at
Ife. This is the reason why ALafin of Oyo will never
accept Ooni of Ife as a king or a superior in any
Yoruba gathering of Obas.

Ooni's assumed superiority was a British creation
because the King of England assumed a king at Ife, the
cradle of Yoruba, must be superior to all Obas just
like the British did in Abeokuta by imposing Alake's
superiority over other Obas at Abeokuta. In case of
Egbas, Sorunke who led the Egbas from Ibadan to the
present Abeokuta was from Oke Ona, where Oba Tejuoso
is the King. This is the reason why there is conflict
between Alake and Osile till date.

Oranmiyan was buried at Ife and not at Oyo, which is
the reason for the Opa Oranyan at Ife till today. Ooni
was not a true son or direct descendant of Oduduwa and
his title was not recognised. Ooni was just his name
which became his title. Ooni like other Yoruba Obas
paid duties to Oranmiyan during and after the death of
Oduduwa.

This practice stopped after the Oyo Empire was
destroyed. It is rather difficult to accept the Ooni's
version as against the Omonoba Polopolo. Oranmiyan
was a belligerent person. A war hero and where his
brothers and sister refused to give the yearly ten
percent duty as agreed with the staff of Oduduwa he
would use force. He later appointed his
representatives in each of the kingdoms of Yoruba to
monitor the returns, thus the creation of Oyo Empire
that led to the end of the kingdom Oduduwa created
which was not properly coordinated. The new empire
grew with amazing rapidity throughout West Africa and
was like the Ghana or Shonghai Empire of the medieval
history in the south of Sahara. Oyo Empire started
slave trade to weaken opposition.

An administration like the British

Oranmiyan's administration was the best in Africa and
could be likened to the British system of
Administration during the colonial government. The
empire expanded up to the present Benin republic.
Those who escaped the control of Alafin are the
Yorubas living in Benin Republic, which was formerly
Dahomey, On the East side, Oranmiyan never bothered
Benin Kingdom because of his son, and his son never
looked for him. At least there was no record of
history of any transaction between father and son.
Benin Kingdom continued to progress and Oyo Empire
continued to expand to the west coast. In Lagos, there
could not be a clash, it was a place of reunion for
Edo's and Yoruba it was said Eko, which is Lagos, and
in our local dialect is a Benin word.

Oyo Empire later suffered from over expansion and some
local hero started to emerge to challenge the
authority of the Oyo kingdom or that of the Alafin of
Oyo. Among them was the Lisabi Agboagbo Akala who
liberated the Egbas from Oyo Empire to create a
fearless Egba Kingdom.

Lisabi was never a king. In fact, he was murdered by
the Alake of Egbaland because of his popularity. Egbas
as a kingdom with its own National Anthem "Lori Oke
ati Pele" was merged with Nigeria by the British
Empire after 1914. In addition, Lagelu emerged from
Ibadan, Ogendegbe from Ijeshaland and Shou of
Ogbomosho and Ilorin through the deserter Chief of
Army Staff of Oyo who was killed by Alimi a Fulani;
thus, the end of Oyo Empire. The attack from the
Sokoto Caliphate from the North finally nailed the
coffin of the Oyo Empire.The collapse of the Oyo
Empire led to the Yoruba Wars. The present Oyo town
has nothing to do with Old Oyo town, it was just a new
creation to symbolise the memory of the Old.

The Egbas and Ijebus took over the control of
southwest towards the Atlantics because of lucrative
slave trade and closeness to the white man. The
emergence of western civilisation further weakened the
Old Oyo empire, the empire collapsed and the ruminants
of it can still be found at the old site. The irony of
it is Alafin of Oyo in the present Oyo town
continued to live in the memory of his ancestors'
glory of the Old Oyo empire.

In conclusion, Ooni who is not a direct son or
descendants of Oduduwa cannot be considered viable in
this discussion, but Alafin of Oyo must examine his
place in history and that of his senior brother
Orangun of Ila the first son who had disappeared into
history because he never challenged Oranmiyan. The
abdication of the thrown is a loss of right. However,
can a son be greater than his father? or can a river
be greater than its source? The source of Yoruba from
Benin is very authentic than Saudi Arabia or Lamurudu,
which cannot be traced, in Saudi Arabian history.

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Don't just start what you can't finish

Then the odududwak later born Afonja(the father of the cowardic generation). #NuffSaid! They all should move back to uganda!!

PrinceOgun:


Yoruba originated from Benin that's a fact

How did Yoruba originate from Benin? Tell us the story.

Which one you be? Abeokuta or Benin

As a Yoruba man from Abeokuta I
was told Oduduwa was the first man created by God just
like the Bible said Adam and Eve were the first to be
created by God.

In Lagos, there
could not be a clash, it was a place of reunion for
Edo's and Yoruba[b] it was said Eko, which is Lagos, and
in our local dialect is a Benin word.[/b]

googi:
Which one you be? Abeokuta or Benin

LMAO. Yoruba history is just a joke to many

God forbid�

Benins never originated any yoruba or igbo people

We all are different people stop turning history to myth

This is the problem we are trying to correct between benin-ife connection that was made up
For political reasons,

Scholars are putting thier heads debunk this myth the energy scholars would have put in reassessing other aspect of our history is now been wasted on debunking myth.....



Op shut your trap you're not an edo person because no edos as ever lay such useless claim of yours


The more this myth are created the more stress it gives scholars debunking while the real history is left unattended to

gregyboy:
Benins never originated any yoruba or igbo people

We all are different people stop turning history to myth

This is the problem we are trying to correct between benin-ife connection that was made up
For political reasons,

Scholars are putting thier heads debunk this myth the energy scholars would have put in reassessing other aspect of our history is now been wasted on debunking myth.....



Op shut your trap you're not an edo person because no edos as ever lay such useless claim of yours


The more this myth are created the more stress it gives scholars debunking while the real history is left unattended to

What scholars?

macof:


What scholars?

What have you been doing in the previous post

...and where did Benin Kingdom originate from?

MetaPhysical:
...and where did Benin Kingdom originate from?

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From calabash.... Men I love 9ja die, everybody na oga

nsiba:
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From calabash.... Men I love 9ja die, everybody na oga

gregyboy:
Benins never originated any yoruba or igbo people

We all are different people stop turning history to myth

This is the problem we are trying to correct between benin-ife connection that was made up
For political reasons,

Scholars are putting thier heads debunk this myth the energy scholars would have put in reassessing other aspect of our history is now been wasted on debunking myth.....



Op shut your trap you're not an edo person because no edos as ever lay such useless claim of yours


The more this myth are created the more stress it gives scholars debunking while the real history is left unattended to

What are these men always looking for in Ife whenever they newly become king??

Yet it never happens the other way round.

macof:


What scholars?

Hahahahahahahahaha.

That boy is deluded, I swear.

TAO11:


What are these men always looking for in Ife whenever they newly become king??

Yet it never happens the other way round.

Well, traditionally, Obas of Benin begin tour a year or two after coming to power. In the past it would be various parts of the empire. In recent decades, he would do a thank you visit to monarchs who came to his coronation.

I witnessed Oba Erediauwa's maiden tour. Of course relatives were in his entourage. All the way to Sultan of Sokoto. Benin have no ties with the Sultan. I wrote about it years ago on another thread. 50 years from now, will people also begin reading meaning to their pictures with Etsu Nupe, Sultan of Sokoto, etc?

Oba Ewuare II has already toured Edo, Rivers, Cross River, Osun and many other places. They are all on YouTube.

As at the time of Oba Akenzua, Edo was in colonial Western region, with parliament in Ibadan. Monarchs were parliament members.

Clearly these are related monarchs. I see no reason why such meeting should be interpreted in any other way.

Oba Okunade Sijuade in particular knew how Benin and Ife relate. Surprisingly he had the chance to elaborate when pressed by the Lagos Weekend paper in early 1990s but he didn't. He would have been on record now. Whether one agrees or not with his views

As the old guard gradually depart, revisionist theories will emerge.

AreaFada2:

Well, traditionally, Obas of Benin begin tour a year or two after coming to power. In the past it would be various past of the empire. In recent decades, he would do a thank you visit to monarchs who came to his coronation.
I witnessed Oba Erediauwa's maiden tour. Of course relatives were in his entourage. All the way to Sultan of Sokoto. Benin have no ties with the Sultan. I wrote about it years ago on another thread. 50 years from now, will people also begin reading meaning to their pictures with Etsu Nupe, Sultan of Sokoto, etc?

Oba Ewuare II has already toured Edo, Rivers, Cross River, Osun and many other places. They are all on YouTube.

As at the time of Oba Akenzua, Edo was in colonial Western region, with parliament in Ibadan. Monarchs were parliament members.

Clearly these are related monarchs. I see no reason why such meeting should be interpreted in any other way.

Oba Okunade Sijuade in particular knew how Benin and Ife relate. Surprisingly he had the chance to elaborate when pressed by the Lagos Weekend paper in early 1990s but he didn't. He would have been on record now. Whether one agrees or not with his views

As the old guard gradually depart, revisionist theories will emerge.

Oga stop deceiving yourself! It's an open secret that a new Oba of Benin must visit Ile-Ife to consolidate his ascension rites at certain key groves.

(1) A key place he must pay homage at is the Oranmiyan grove.

An ordinary gatekeeper of the grove already misfired that every Oba with dyanstic link to Ufe usually come here for certain rites. He mentioned the month of that year when Oba of Benin (referring to Oba Ewuare2) walked in here (here = Oranmiyan grove) and so & so was done for him at this spot, before so & so was done for him at that spot, etc. The video is everywhere on the internet.

(2) Another key place he must pay homage at (which Oba Ewuare2 did pay homage at) is the Orun Oba Ado grove.

Channels TV for example was present live during Oba Ewuare(II)'s 2018 visit. And the reporter did mention loud and clear, fair and square that the Oba also proceeded to pay homage at the Orun Oba Ado grove.

If you want it I can paste the YouTube link to the Channels TV news report which mentioned this fact loud and clear.

I hope your persecution complex won't kick in (as always) to the extent of claiming that Channels TV too hates Edo. Lol.

All these homage paying at key groves doesn't look like a thank you maiden visit, or does it??

(3) Oba Eweka(II) who reigned before Oba Akenzua(II) admited clearly to H.L. Ward-Price in the 1920s that his Oghene lives in Ife.

The nauseating Western Region excuse therefore breaks down at this point.

(4) Moreover, can you substantiate your statement below with any evidence, otherwise it remains audio as usual, lol:

"Oba Okunade Sijuade in particular knew how Benin and Ife relate. Surprisingly he had the chance to elaborate when pressed by the Lagos Weekend paper in early 1990s but he didn't. He would have been on record now. Whether one agrees or not with his views."

(5) Listen, the simple reason why both the Ife palace and the Benin palace have been playing the "Oba of Benin-thank you visit-card" is that a clear statement (from the Ife palace or from the Benin palace) regarding the actual historical and spiritual reason behind Benin Obas' usual post-coronation visits to Ife will be used against the Benin palace in the Oba vs Ogiamen litigation.

The Ogiamen have insisted repeatedly in court that the Oba dynasty should go back to their Ife.

AreaFada2:

Well, traditionally, Obas of Benin begin tour a year or two after coming to power. In the past it would be various past of the empire. In recent decades, he would do a thank you visit to monarchs who came to his coronation.
I witnessed Oba Erediauwa's maiden tour. Of course relatives were in his entourage. All the way to Sultan of Sokoto. Benin have no ties with the Sultan. I wrote about it years ago on another thread. 50 years from now, will people also begin reading meaning to their pictures with Etsu Nupe, Sultan of Sokoto, etc?

Oba Ewuare II has already toured Edo, Rivers, Cross River, Osun and many other places. They are all on YouTube.

As at the time of Oba Akenzua, Edo was in colonial Western region, with parliament in Ibadan. Monarchs were parliament members.

Clearly these are related monarchs. I see no reason why such meeting should be interpreted in any other way.

Oba Okunade Sijuade in particular knew how Benin and Ife relate. Surprisingly he had the chance to elaborate when pressed by the Lagos Weekend paper in early 1990s but he didn't. He would have been on record now. Whether one agrees or not with his views

As the old guard gradually depart, revisionist theories will emerge.

How did Benin and ife relate

TAO11:


Oga stop deceiving yourself! It's an open secret that a new Oba of Benin must visit Ile-Ife to consolidate his ascension rites at certain key groves.

(1) A key place he must pay homage at is the Oranmiyan grove.

An ordinary gatekeeper of the grove already misfired that every Oba with dyanstic link to Ufe usually come here for certain rites. He mentioned the month of that year when Oba of Benin (referring to Oba Ewuare2) walked in here (here = Oranmiyan grove) and so & so was done for him at this spot, before so & so was done for him at that spot, etc. The video is everywhere on the internet.

(2) Another key place he must pay homage at (which Oba Ewuare2 did pay homage at) is the Orun Oba Ado grove.

Channels TV for example was present live during Oba Ewuare(II)'s 2018 visit. And the reporter did mention loud and clear, fair and square that the Oba also proceeded to pay homage at the Orun Oba Ado grove.

If you want it I can paste the YouTube link to the Channels TV news report which mentioned this fact loud and clear.

I hope your persecution complex won't kick in (as always) to the extent of claiming that Channels TV too hates Edo. Lol.

All these homage paying at key groves doesn't look like a thank you maiden visit, or does it??

(3) Oba Eweka(II) who reigned before Oba Akenzua(II) admited clearly to H.L. Ward-Price in the 1920s that his Oghene lives in Ife.

The nauseating Western Region excuse therefore breaks down at this point.

(4) Moreover, can you substantiate your statement below with any evidence, otherwise it remains audio as usual, lol:

"Oba Okunade Sijuade in particular knew how Benin and Ife relate. Surprisingly he had the chance to elaborate when pressed by the Lagos Weekend paper in early 1990s but he didn't. He would have been on record now. Whether one agrees or not with his views."

(5) Listen, the simple reason why both the Ife palace and the Benin palace have been playing the "Oba of Benin-thank you visit-card" is that a clear statement (from the Ife palace or from the Benin palace) regarding the actual historical and spiritual reason behind Benin Obas' usual post-coronation visits to Ife will be used against the Benin palace in the Oba vs Ogiamen litigation.

The Ogiamen have insisted repeatedly in court that the Oba dynasty should go back to their Ife.

Complete fraud. The only possible person buried at the grove would be Oramiyan. Because he was indeed an Oba of Benin, albeit for a short time. Before making his way through Oyo back to Ife. No other Oba or head thereof was buried there.

Quite revealing that you would rely on Aristo, someone usurping Ogiameien position against the real chief Ogiamien Osarobo Okunoghae, who's probably still missing or whereabouts unknown.

Ogiamien and Evian story is well known. Ogiamien is the mere stool maker for the Oba since about 700 years. He was not even a warrant chief during colonial rule.

Where did the purported litigation go?

The deception has been Oduduwa political fabrication as father of Yoruba people.

Yoruba that it was even Islamic people who made it up. I know you will also deny the fact that Muslims made it up.

The reason Ooni must slaughter 7 black cows if going to Benin is not for crossing 7 rivers as Yoruba have recently made up. Oba Sijuade said it was imposed on every Ooni by tradition. But he refused to explain fully. But in Benin we know why.

Simple reason is that because Ekaladerhan/Izoduwa refused to come back to Benin to become king but sent Oramiyan instead.

it was imposed that any subsequent Ooni going to Benin must atone with 7 black cows.
Isn't it funny that Oba Sijuade would stop at saying why in his interview with Lagos Weekend paper?

If it flattered Ife he would have happily said it. But in Benin that fact was known and still well known.
Modern population politics cannot stop it.

I can dig out the interview for you if you want.

So the visit card was also needed with the Sultan, Etsu Nupe, Emir of Borno, Olowo of Owo, Amayanabo of Brass and other monarchs Oba Erediauwa of Benin visited?

AreaFada2:

(1) Complete fraud. The only possible person buried at the grove would be Oramiyan. Because he was indeed an Oba of Benin, albeit for a short time. Before making his way through Oyo back to Ife. No other Oba or head thereof was buried there.

(2) Quite revealing that you would rely on Aristo, someone usurping Ogiameien position against the real chief Ogiamien Osarobo Okunoghae, who's probably still missing or whereabout unknown.

Ogiamien and Evian story is well known. Ogiamien is the mere stool maker for the Oba since about 700 years. He was not even a warrant chief during colonial rule.

Where did the purported litigation go?

(3) The deception has been Oduduwa political fabrication as father of Yoruba people.

Yoruba that it was even Islamic people who made it up. I know you will also deny the fact that Muslims made it up.

(4) The reason Ooni must slaughter 7 black cows if going to Benin is not for crossing 7 rivers as Yoruba have recently made up. Oba Sijuade said it was imposed on every Ooni by tradition. But he refused to explain fully. But in Benin we know why.

(5) Simple reason is that because Ekaladerhan/Izoduwa refused to come back to Benin to become king but sent Oramiyan instead.

(6) it was imposed that any subsequent Ooni going to Benin must atone with 7 black cows.
Isn't it funny that Oba Sijuade would stop at saying why in his interview with Lagos Weekend paper?

If it flattered Ife he would have happily said it. But in Benin that fact was known and still well known. Modern population politics cannot stop it.

(7) I can dig out the interview for you if you want.

(8 ) So the visit card was also needed with the Sultan, Etsu Nupe, Emir of Borno, Olowo of Owo, Amayanabo of Brass and other monarchs Oba Erediauwa Benin visited?

There is so much ignorance in your reply that I'm not even sure where to begin educating you from.

(1) Oranmiyan's "burial" has absolutely nothing to do with the Orun Oba Ado site.

From your bungle here, it becomes very obvious that this subject is clearly not your forte. Yet for some strange reasons you won't just lurk in the background and watch quietly.

Now listen, while the Orun Oba Ado site is one place, Oranmiyan grove is another separate distinct and entirely different place.

The Orun Oba Ado site is meant for burying the heads of every 3rd Benin Oba, and the anthropologist on Benin Kingdom, Bradbury records an 1888 instance --- the last --- of this practice (of sending exhumed Benin Oba's heads to Ife). See also Willet, (1982), p.22.

So, on this you're back again at square one because Oba Ewuare2 is reported (in crystal clear English by Channels TV who was present live during his visit to Ife) to have paid homage at the Orun Oba Ado site.

So, you have to go back and come up with another made-up reason why you feel Oba Ewuare2 paid homage at Orun Oba Ado.

(2) The claim by some Binis that the Oba dynasty is not an indigenous Edo dynasty (but a foreign one from Ife) has nothing to do peculiarly with Aristo. The same view is held by all the Ogiamien lineage who themselves are indigenous Edos.

So, the Oba coming out to mention the actual historical/spiritual reason behind new Benin kings' visits to Ife will obviously be tantamount to a blatant testimony against his own reign in Benin, and against his own ancestral dynasty in the land of the Edos.

(3) I'm not sure where you got the idea from that Oduduwa as father of Yoruba people is a political fabrication/deception by so-called Islamic people.

Are you ashamed to cite your source for this statement??

I'm super sure that you already know how badly you will be dragged if you dared mention that your "historical" source for the foregoing statement is:

Gregyboy, Ife-Benin Comment Sections, Nairaland, 2020.

Notice the gap between me and you. While I cite scholars like Bradbury, Willett, et al., you on the other hand cite gregyboy. Isn't this the funniest thing ever?

(4) I am not sure which Ooni ever visited Benin Kingdom, and which black cow was slaughtered in the process.

Are you just ignorant, or you've resorted lately to blant lies (as it is typical tho) just because I hit where it hurts.

There is no record of any Ooni visiting Benin Kingdom. Cut it out! It's always the other way round. And the reason is an open secret.

(5) The Bini spinning that a certain Ekaladerhan from Igodomigodo came to be King in Ife under the name Izoduwa, or Idoduwa, or Imadoduwa has been trashed and debunked by world renowned historians of Benin history as an apocryphal, pseudo-historical, deliberately unauthentic, over ambitious joke. See: Bondarenko, (2003), pp.67-68.

So, I'm not sure why you're alluding to this obviously made up joke. Or are you a comedian??

(6) Your point number (6) is clearly an extension of your comedy from your point number (4)

(7) What are you still waiting for?

Your fellow Binis would be extremely glad if you "DiG oUt ThE iNtErViEw" for me.

Please dig out the non-existent interview and put me to shame. I can't wait to be exposed.

(8 ) Except that Benin Obas' visits to these other kingdoms do not involve any homage paying at any shrine, site, or grove.

Unlike in Ife where he (Oba Ewuare2) did pay homage (at least) at the Orun Oba Ado site (as reported in clear English by Channels TV) and at the Oranmiyan grove (as misfired by the grove's gatekeeper)

Cheers!

TAO11:


There is so much ignorance in your reply that I'm not even sure where to begin educating you from.

(1) Oranmiyan's "burial" has absolutely nothing to do with the Orun Oba Ado site.

From your bungle here, it becomes very obvious that this subject is clearly not your forte. Yet for some strange reasons you won't just lurk in the background and watch quietly.

Now listen, while the Orun Oba Ado site is one place, Oranmiyan grove is another separate distinct and entirely different place.

The Orun Oba Ado site is meant for burying the heads of every 3rd Benin Oba, and the anthropologist on Benin Kingdom, Bradbury records an 1888 instance --- the last --- of this practice (of sending exhumed Oba's heads to Ife). See Bradbury. See also Willet, (1982), p.22.

So, on this you're back again at square one because Oba Ewuare2 is reported (in crystal clear English by Channels TV who was present live during his visit to Ife) to have paid homage at the Orun Oba Ado site.

So, you have to go back and come up with another made-up reason why you feel Oba Ewuare2 paid homage at Orun Oba Ado.

(2) The claim by some Binis that the Oba dynasty is not an indigenous Edo dynasty (but a foreign one from Ife) has nothing to do peculiarly with Aristo. The same view is held by all the Ogiamien lineage who themselves are indigenous Edos.

So, the Oba coming out to mention the actual historical/spiritual reason behind new Benin kings' visits to Ife will obviously be tantamount to a blatant testimony against his own reign in Benin, and against his own ancestral dynasty in the land of the Edos.

(3) I'm not sure where you got the idea from that Oduduwa as father of Yoruba people is a political fabrication/deception by so-called Islamic people.

Are you ashamed to cite your source for this statement??

I'm super sure that you already know how badly you will be dragged if you dared mention that your "historical" source for the foregoing statement is: Gregyboy, Ife-Benin Comment Section, Nairaland, 2020.

Notice the gap between me and you. While I cite scholars like Bradbury, Willett, et al., you on the other hand cite gregyboy. Isn't this the funniest thing ever?

(4) I am not sure which Ooni ever visited Benin Kingdom, and which black cow was slaughtered in the process.

Are you just ignorant, or you've resorted lately to blant lies (as it is typical tho) just because I hit where it hurts.

There is no record of any Ooni visiting Benin Kingdom. Cut it out! It's always the other way round. And the reason is an open secret.

(5) The Bini spinning that a certain Ekaladerhan from Igodomigodo came to be King in Ife under the name Izoduwa, or Idoduwa, or Imadoduwa has been trashed and debunked by world renowned historians of Benin history as an apocryphal, pseudo-historical, deliberately unauthentic, over ambitious joke. See: Bondarenko, (2003), pp.67-68.

So, I'm not sure why you're alluding to this obviously made up joke. Or are you a comedian??

(6) Your point number (6) is clearly an extension of your comedy from your point number (5)

(7) What are you still waiting for?

Your fellow Binis would be extremely glad if you "DiG oUt ThE iNtErViEw" for me.

Please dig out the non-existent interview and put me to shame. I can't wait to be exposed.

(8 ) Except that the Benin Oba's visit to these other kingdoms does not involve any homage paying at any shrine, site, or grove.

Unlike in Ife where he (Oba Ewuare2) did pay homage (at least) at the Orun Oba Ado site (as reported in clear English by Channels TV) and at the Oranmiyan grove (as misfired by the grove's gatekeep)

Cheers!

If no Ooni has ever visited Benin Kingdom don't u think there must be some underlying reasons or traditional requirements for such a visit? Afterall Benin Kingdom is one of the greatest kingdoms to exisit in Nigeria and your Ooni is well known as an owambe Ooni always going to parties, and has visited almost every kingdoms (small and big) in Nigeria..
Benin KIngdom must be special not just go visit anyhow..

TAO11:


There is so much ignorance in your reply that I'm not even sure where to begin educating you from.

(1) Oranmiyan's "burial" has absolutely nothing to do with the Orun Oba Ado site.

From your bungle here, it becomes very obvious that this subject is clearly not your forte. Yet for some strange reasons you won't just lurk in the background and watch quietly.

Now listen, while the Orun Oba Ado site is one place, Oranmiyan grove is another separate distinct and entirely different place.

The Orun Oba Ado site is meant for burying the heads of every 3rd Benin Oba, and the anthropologist on Benin Kingdom, Bradbury records an 1888 instance --- the last --- of this practice (of sending exhumed Oba's heads to Ife). See Bradbury. See also Willet, (1982), p.22.

So, on this you're back again at square one because Oba Ewuare2 is reported (in crystal clear English by Channels TV who was present live during his visit to Ife) to have paid homage at the Orun Oba Ado site.

So, you have to go back and come up with another made-up reason why you feel Oba Ewuare2 paid homage at Orun Oba Ado.

(2) The claim by some Binis that the Oba dynasty is not an indigenous Edo dynasty (but a foreign one from Ife) has nothing to do peculiarly with Aristo. The same view is held by all the Ogiamien lineage who themselves are indigenous Edos.

So, the Oba coming out to mention the actual historical/spiritual reason behind new Benin kings' visits to Ife will obviously be tantamount to a blatant testimony against his own reign in Benin, and against his own ancestral dynasty in the land of the Edos.

(3) I'm not sure where you got the idea from that Oduduwa as father of Yoruba people is a political fabrication/deception by so-called Islamic people.

Are you ashamed to cite your source for this statement??

I'm super sure that you already know how badly you will be dragged if you dared mention that your "historical" source for the foregoing statement is: Gregyboy, Ife-Benin Comment Section, Nairaland, 2020.

Notice the gap between me and you. While I cite scholars like Bradbury, Willett, et al., you on the other hand cite gregyboy. Isn't this the funniest thing ever?

(4) I am not sure which Ooni ever visited Benin Kingdom, and which black cow was slaughtered in the process.

Are you just ignorant, or you've resorted lately to blant lies (as it is typical tho) just because I hit where it hurts.

There is no record of any Ooni visiting Benin Kingdom. Cut it out! It's always the other way round. And the reason is an open secret.

(5) The Bini spinning that a certain Ekaladerhan from Igodomigodo came to be King in Ife under the name Izoduwa, or Idoduwa, or Imadoduwa has been trashed and debunked by world renowned historians of Benin history as an apocryphal, pseudo-historical, deliberately unauthentic, over ambitious joke. See: Bondarenko, (2003), pp.67-68.

So, I'm not sure why you're alluding to this obviously made up joke. Or are you a comedian??

(6) Your point number (6) is clearly an extension of your comedy from your point number (5)

(7) What are you still waiting for?

Your fellow Binis would be extremely glad if you "DiG oUt ThE iNtErViEw" for me.

Please dig out the non-existent interview and put me to shame. I can't wait to be exposed.

(8 ) Except that Benin Obas' visits to these other kingdoms do not involve any homage paying at any shrine, site, or grove.

Unlike in Ife where he (Oba Ewuare2) did pay homage (at least) at the Orun Oba Ado site (as reported in clear English by Channels TV) and at the Oranmiyan grove (as misfired by the grove's gatekeeper)

Cheers!

You still haven't come up with an answer for why over 500years of European relationship with Edos, Yorubas and other tribes of Nigeria (with a lot of written documents from that perios) there was no mention of Oduduwa or Ife founding of Benin kingdom, then suddenly in 1930 a whiteman suddenly came up with the strange story?

davidnazee:


If no Ooni has ever visited Benin Kingdom don't u think there must be some underlying reasons or traditional requirements for such a visit? Afterall Benin Kingdom is one of the greatest kingdoms to exisit in Nigeria and your Ooni is well known as an owambe Ooni always going to parties, and has visited almost every kingdoms (small and big) in Nigeria..
Benin KIngdom must be special not just go visit anyhow..

Read my comment again, but this time remember to do so with all relevant senses.

Summary:
Every new Benin King must visit Ife to pay homage at key sites as attested to by Channels TV during Oba Ewuare2's visit to Ife upon his ascension.

And of course new Ife kings have no business paying homage at Benin kingdom because Benin Kingom is simply one of his dynasties through one of his sons.

The son pays homage to the father to consolidate and confirm his right to rule Benin kingdom.

It never happens anywhere that the father (on his ascension) should pay homage to his son . Never! Abomination!

The best the father can do is to grace his son's coronation.

This version should be easier for you to grasp. It's shorter.

TAO11:


Read my comment again, but this time remember to do so with all relevant senses.

Summary:
Every new Benin King must visit Ife to pay homage at key sites as attested to by Channels TV during Oba Ewuare2's visit to Ife upon his ascension.

And of course new Ife kings have no business paying homage at Benin kingdom because Benin Kingom is simply one of his dynasties through one of his sons.

The son pays homage to the father to consolidate and confirm his right to rule Benin kingdom.

It never happens anywhere that the father (on his ascension) should pay homage to his son . Never! Abomination!

The best the father can do is to grace his son's coronation.

This version should be easier for you to grasp. It's shorter.

You should read your own post again then.. You said "there's no record that any Ooni ever visited Benin" (I assume you mean Benin Palace).. so I'm asking what you think is the reason for the non visits to Benin palace. considering that, Benin is one of the greatest Kingdoms in Nigeria and your Ooni is a well known Owanbe Ooni.. He visits every where and every parties.. So there must be a traditional or historic reason why no Ooni ever visits Benin palace.. Almost every ruler in Nigeria has visited or attended a function at the Benin Palace.
FYI; Ooni has attended birthday parties in Benin city.

Also can you please tell us how many Yoruba Obas go pay homage at Ife after their coronations?
And why did the story of Ife founding Benin Empire suddenly come up in 1930 and not anytime in the 500years european relationship with Edos and Yorubas?

davidnazee:

You still haven't come up with an answer for why over 500years of European relationship with Edos, Yorubas and other tribes of Nigeria (with a lot of written documents from that perios) there was no mention of Oduduwa or Ife founding of Benin kingdom, then suddenly in 1930 a whiteman suddenly came up with the strange story?

(1) In 1930?? Hmm interesting!

Anyways, in the 1920s Oba Eweka(II) already confessed to H.L. Ward-Price that his Oghene lives in IFE.

Eeerrrrrm ... so, you may have to push your revision 10 years farther back.

Moreover, why are you all trying so hard to convince us that Binis and their Kings are so dvmb and inferior that a random "white" man walked up to them and told them that so&so is your actual father, and the Bini Kings simply nodded in agreement saying Yas! you must be right! And from thence the Bini kings switched an licked Ife's boots till date and forever.

This is the dvmbest revisionist attempt I've ever read from the Binis.

(2) Your 500 years of no European writing chant is the most nauseating and most inane repetition I've seen.

You Bini Nairalnders are so dvmb that you truly think repeating a lie many times will somehow transform it into truth.

Anyways, D.M. Bondarenko already stated clearly that European writings from as early as the 1500s speaks to Benin Kingdom's Oba dynasty as being from Ife.

I am sure that at this point your persecution complex is already kicking in and dictating to you that D.M. Bondarenko must definitely be a Yoruba man.

davidnazee:


You should read your own post again then.. You said "there's no record that any Ooni ever visited Benin" (I assume you mean Benin Palace).. so I'm asking what you think is the reason for the non visits to Benin palace. considering that, Benin is one of the greatest Kingdoms in Nigeria and your Ooni is a well known Owanbe Ooni..

He visits every where and every parties.. So there must be a traditional or historic reason why no Ooni ever visits Benin palace.. Almost every ruler in Nigeria has visited or attended a function at the Benin Palace.

FYI; Ooni has attended birthday parties in Benin city.

Also can you please tell us how many Yoruba Obas go pay homage at Ife after their coronations?
And why did the story of Ife founding Benin Empire suddenly come up in 1930 and not anytime in the 500years european relationship with Edos and Yorubas?

(1) Of course no Ooni ever visited on ascension because the Oonis are intentionally and deliberately asserting their supremacy over Benin Kingdom knowing how deluded you Binis are.

Yet, dem no born any new king (of Benin Kingdom) well make he no pay homage to Ife on his ascension.

I am not sure why you couldn't figure this out yourself.

(2) Every Yoruba King whose crown derives directly from Ife (e.g Oyo's, Benin's, and several others) must consolidate certain ascension rites at Ife --- particularly at the Oranmiyan grove.

(3) Eeerrrrm ... I have already exposed your 1930s revision (which is without any evidence to begin with).

I gave you good reason to push back your date some more years. Hahahahaha

(4) And your nauseating 500years has long been debunked by .... not me .... guess who ... D. M. Bondarenko.

I alluded to that too in my foregoing comment.

davidnazee:

... Benin KIngdom must be special not just go visit anyhow.

There is nothing special in visiting Benin Kingdom per se. I have been to Benin, and it's nothing special.

The reigning Ooni has graced occasions at Benin Kingdom such as the reigning Oba's coronation event and the Esama's birthday celebration.

The specific context of the visit here (which is very clear) is about the tradition by which Benin Kings are required to visit the Ife palace (and key sites, shrines, and groves) upon their ascension as kings of Benin Kingdom.

Nothing of such ever happens the other way round. That's the whole point!

And in case you want to deludedly take back your words and then issue an updated revision to the effect that "No, it is actually the Benin Palace (and not simply the Kingdom) that is jUsT tOo sPeCiAl."

Well, that too fails because your Oba (Ewuare) has been caught on video stylishy pleading with the reigning Ooni to please visit Benin palace.

Let me know if you would like to see the video where he made the request.

TAO11:

(1) Of course no Ooni ever visited on ascension because the Oonis are intentionally and deliberately asserting their supremacy over Benin Kingdom knowing how deluded you Binis are.

Yet, them no born any new Benin King well make he no pay homage to Ife on ascension.

I am not sure why you couldn't figure this out yourself.

(2) Every Yoruba King whose crown derives directly from Ife (e.g Oyo's, Benin's, and several others) must consolidate certain ascension rites at Ife --- particularly at the Oranmiyan grove.

(3) Eeerrrrm ... I have already exposed your 1930s revision (which is without any evidence to begin with) when I gave you good reason to push back your date some more years. Hahahahaha

(4) And your nauseating 500years has long been debunked by .... not me .... guess who ... D. M. Bondarenko.

I alluded to that too in my foregoing comment.

I don't like calling a person dumb even though you sound like one..
Anyways my statement was "it was in 1930 the story of Oduduwa founding Benin monarchy was first written and heard" the your reply to that is a statement about Oba Eweka praying to Oghene lol.. does that mean the Oghene founded Benin Kingdom?
European kings of old are known to revere and pray to the pope, but does that mean the pope founded their kingdoms?
You are not a smart person, that is for certain..

Another question.. why will the Oba in 1930 call Ooni as Oghene? As at 1930, the europeans and also everyone knew Ooni as Ooni and called him Ooni.

davidnazee:


(1). I don't like calling a person dumb even though you sound like one..
Anyways my statement was "it was in 1930 the story of Oduduwa founding Benin monarchy was first written and heard"

(2) then your reply to that is a statement about Oba Eweka praying to Oghene lol.. does that mean the Oghene founded Benin Kingdom?

European kings of old are known to revere and pray to the pope, but does that mean the pope founded their kingdoms?

[s]You are not a smart person, that is for certain.[/s]

(3) Another question.. why will the Oba in 1930 call Ooni as Oghene? As at 1930, the europeans and also everyone knew Ooni as Ooni and called him Ooni.

(1) Since over a month now, you've been struggling and unable to cite at least one scholar (just one) whom you got this from.

It therefore remains audio as usual.

(2) Eweka's prayer to the then Oghene of IFE is not what makes Oghene the founder of Benin's present dynasty.

Rather, it is the fact that the first Oghene of Ife was the founder of Benin's dynasty that makes Eweka revere him in prayer.

So, here you committed the logical fallacy known in argumentation as "the converse fallacy".

Furthermore, your Pope analogy demolishes your point as follows:

In ancient times, the Pope was not only the spiritual leader of the Roman Catholic Church, he was also a King --- just like the "Oghene of Ife".

So, any European King who pays him homage does so because his (the lesser king's) theocratic government was established by the theocratic government of the Roman Catholic Church/the Pope.

Name me one European Kingdom of old who was not Roman Catholic but yet subject to the Roman Catholic Church/the Pope.

The dull davidnazee is quick to point fingers. How ironic!?

(3) You probably meant to write the following:

"... why will the Oba in the 1920s call Ooni as Oghene?"

And the simple answer is that the Binis as a whole (not only the Obas) referred to the Oonis as Oghene because the Ooni was considered to be their Supreme God (in human flesh).

The use of Oghene for Ooni was a Benin thing, and at no point in the course of my comments did I ever mention that the Europeans too are Binis.

Guess what! Even in as recent as the year 2004, Omo N'Oba Erediauwa(I) still mentioned that Binis called Ife King Oghene --- thus proving again that ability to pronounce the word "Ooni" is not the bone of contention.

TAO11:


(1) Since over a month now, you've been struggling and unable to cite at least one scholar (just one) whom you got this from.

It therefore remains audio as usual.

(2) Eweka's prayer to the then Oghene of IFE is not what makes Oghene the founder of Benin's present dynasty.

Rather, it is the fact that the first Oghene of Ife was the founder of Benin's dynasty that makes Eweka revere him in prayer.

So, here you committed the logical fallacy known in argumentation as "the converse fallacy".

Furthermore, your Pope analogy demolishes your point as follows:

In ancient times, the Pope was not only the spiritual leader of the Roman Catholic Church, he was also a King --- just like the "Oghene of Ife".

So, any European King who pays him homage does so because his (the lesser king's) theocratic government was established by the theocratic government of the Roman Catholic Church/the Pope.

Name me one European Kingdom of old who was not Roman Catholic but yet subject to the Roman Catholic Church/the Pope.

The dull davidnazee is quick to point fingers. How ironic!?

(3) You probably meant to write the following:

"... why will the Oba in the 1920s call Ooni as Oghene?"

And the simple answer is that the Binis as a whole (not only the Obas) referred to the Oonis as Oghene because the Ooni was considered to be their Supreme God (in human flesh).

The use of Oghene for Ooni was a Benin thing, and at no point in the course of my comments did I ever mention that the Europeans too are Binis.

Guess what! Even in as recent as the year 2004, Omo N'Oba Erediauwa(I) still mentioned that Binis called Ife King Oghene --- thus proving again that ability to pronounce the word "Ooni" is not the bone of contention.

All this your write up still makes no sense and it still doesn’t answer why in over 500yrs of documented European relationship with Edos and Yorubas the story of Oduduwa founding Benin empire was never mentioned till in 1930 when Talbot first wrote about it.

Your idiotic statement about Oghene as a god to binis is utter nonsense not worth arguing about, u can believe whatever u like.

Please which kingdom was the pope king of?