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Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by ScienceWatch: 9:45pm On Dec 20, 2017 |
JackBizzle:How can you say that and not know the meaning ? Butterfly1on had to take the day off after you messed up the meaning of hybridization. |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by ScienceWatch: 10:28pm On Dec 20, 2017 |
danvon:Brilliant observation there Sir. Atheist believe that if they can read books, then they can read the Holy Scriptures. That is their big mistake. We see many examples everywhere of Atheists failure to UNDERSTAND scriptures. They don't understand the massive difference between secular material and spirit based materiel. |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by GoodMuyis(m): 12:32am On Dec 21, 2017 |
[b][/b] Very easy to unanswer |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by boringnigerian: 1:45am On Dec 21, 2017 |
Is the challenge to prove that (a) God can/cannot exist or that (a) God does/does not exist because they are two different things. |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by Dohgon(m): 3:22am On Dec 21, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: The Universe of Your Mind You state that our Minds are finite. That is a false belief that betrays your perceived intelligence. It shows that you know nothing about the creative force of the universe. Mind is abstract. Brain is physical. Your Brain relies on chemical processes to break down and decode information that enters through your Senses. Your Mind deciphers the information it is fed from your 2 Brain hemispheres. Your Mind is an Electro-magnetic field that is generated by the firing of billions of nerve endings (Neurons). A proper functioning Mind depends on many factors but an intelligent mind is a Mind that relies more on the Left hemisphere (rational) more than the Right hemisphere (emotional). Now pay close attention. Information that enters your Corpus Collusum Strya (Mind Field) is processed in 3 ways. It is judged against information in your memory. It is judged against other info that enters concurrently, and it is judged in a future tense. Your mind actively participates in the past, present, and future in simultaneity. The process of thinking is the cognitive ability to extrapolate and reason. Intelligence depends on one’s abilities as an intuitive prognosticator. How can a Mind exist without a Brain? The Mind is a micro example of a Macro process. The universe is filled with Electro-magnetic energy. There is nothing within us that is different from the universe, just the composition. So you say “nice try, scientists have tried putting everything together in a lab, sparked it with electricity and nothing happened”. A law of curiosity dictates that a man who cannot solve a puzzle will eventually take it apart. Then he will fail to put it back together properly. The universe cannot risk that. Man is in pursuit of universal intelligence and when he achieves it he will achieve immortality. What need will his physical body be then? Don’t try to tell me that that isn’t the pursuit of all theists and atheists alike. You are all ruled by Desires of your Brain because you believe that Brain and Mind are the same thing. |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:44am On Dec 21, 2017 |
Dohgon: This is what I'm saying , I dont think you understand me .Intelligence is a property of minds and not distinct from them . You cannot have intelligence without a mind . And finite minds need an ultimate mind . Without the existence of this ultimate mind which is necessary and non-contingent , finite minds cannot exist . If there is no ultimate mind , nothing will exist including intelligence which is a property of minds. The universe as a whole is not a mind, it's a physical entity . If want to use the mind-body concept in man , you can extend it to say that the universe is like a body and the ultimate mind uses the universe as an instrument to manifest intelligence which is a property of a mind . This non-physical part of the universe that exhibits intelligence is its mind , creative force or spirit . There is a philosophical position that posits this and it's called panentheism. The soul of the universe or universal spirit or universal mind or creative force that interpenetrates the universe is God . If this universal spirit withdraws it's presence from the universe , the universe dies . Universal intelligence is a property of or can be used interchangeably with ( ultimate mind = universal mind = creative force = universal spirit ) All na the same thing . 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by Mujtahida: 4:47am On Dec 21, 2017 |
hakeem4:Great points. I stopped believing in the Christian god - truly an idol- because he is nothing but a fiction, a farce and a fraud. If he is God let him speak, speak without a book, speak at once to a congregation of his people without those deceiving intermediaries called Pastors. Any god who speaks through a book is simply an idol, he is a created god, a work of the hands of men who have put words in his mouth including the words in the Bible. 2 Likes |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:54am On Dec 21, 2017 |
Mujtahida: Stop celebrating mediocrity, there is nothing great in what he said . As a matter of fact, God can speak to anyone including you . Anyone can have a personal relationship with God . 1 Like |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by LadyMarionette(f): 4:56am On Dec 21, 2017 |
This contest lacks credibility. How can a theist dangle 100k over the atheist's head and say that he will only give it up when the atheist convinces HIM. He'll simply never be convinced. Who's to say the 100k is even real and available. This is how it should be done: the theists and atheists will each pledge 100k to the wager. The winner of the argument gets the 200k. In the event of a stalemate, the money is either reverted or we do something nice for charity. There will be an independent panel of six (3 from each side) to judge the contest. I can already tell, this will end in a stalemate. But if the 200k goes to charity, it won't be a total waste. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:59am On Dec 21, 2017 |
boringnigerian: doesn't exist / cannot exist, anyone you choose . |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by KingEbukasBlog(m): 5:01am On Dec 21, 2017 |
LadyMarionette: Please read the information in the OP . If you are not pleased with it , you can pass . You are not being forced to do it . If you don't agree with the terms , you simply move on . 2 Likes |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by KingEbukasBlog(m): 5:08am On Dec 21, 2017 |
dalaman: You are a comedian . A very funny one . So I need to be a deist or maltheist to put your ludicrous arguments to shame ? So I need to be a historian to talk history or a politician to talk politics so as to disprove a persons claims if the discussion should digress towards those areas ? Your mates are making good money telling good jokes on social media and you are wasting this talent . Na wa oo 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by AgentOfAllah: 5:15am On Dec 21, 2017 |
This challenge reminds me of one of the dumbest arguments Muslims use to prove the divinity of the Qur'an. In the Qur'an, there's a challenge to all skeptics, that if they are sure of its dubious origins, they should produce a chapter just like one of its chapters. Of course, no objective list of criteria was given on how such a challenge would be judged; and only Muslims get to be the judge, nevermind that this creates a catch 22 system in which Muslims are also to believe that the Qur'an is inimitable. Of course, a Christian website spotted this flaw and developed a brilliant argument that rightly exposes the bias inherent in such a risible challenge. Oh, the divine irony! 5 Likes |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by dalaman: 5:17am On Dec 21, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: You said your God is the epitome of moral goodness and evil is contrary to Its nature. I proved that it's false by showing you your God doing evil and repenting from it. The next thing is to abandon your defeated claims and jump into some nonsense about maltheism/dystheism (and idea of God you do NOT believe in)thinking it will save your already defeated assertion. You are empty as always. 1 Like |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by LadyMarionette(f): 5:19am On Dec 21, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: The point is, nobody should agree to the terms in the Op. It's not a contest. And judging by the responses so far, people have already judged it for what it is: a joke. With this half-assed challenge, you're the one refusing to commit to an honest contest, not the atheist who's refusing to comment. You might as well just shove it. 5 Likes |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by KingEbukasBlog(m): 5:25am On Dec 21, 2017 |
LadyMarionette: Ok o . Merry Christmas |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by Mujtahida: 5:28am On Dec 21, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:There's everything great and deep about what he said. Christians say their god is a living god. Well, I say if he's living let him speak. Take away the book, take away proxies. Let him speak aloud to a congregation of even his own people in church at least. Let me ask you this question: which is easier to do: for god to give his son to die for the sins of the whole world (remember this is a physical demonstration by the god of whom it is often said is a spirit) or to speak to a congregation of his people directly without a book or human proxies? I do not doubt that god can speak to me or your god speak to you or any other person's god speak to them because I believe everyman carries his god within his heart. I do not believe in a universal biblical God that speaks to others through a book or human proxies. The god in the bible is a word created god. He is a powerful fiction. Your god is not my god and my god is not your god as surely as my life is mine, not yours and yours not mine. A big, criminal, soul-destroying lie is uttered everytime any man makes whatever his god has told him normative for others. 'god said' is the soft weapon of spiritual thieves, knaves and bandits who come to steal souls and despoil human beings. Let everyman listen and obey his own god. Do not come and tell me that god said you should tell me so and so. If you can tell me what god wants me to know then surely you should breathe, eat, sleep and carry out other functions on my behalf. But we all know life doesn't function that way. At the door of the ancient temple at Delphi the words 'know thyself' are inscribed. To know yourself is to know your god. I consider the quest to know one's self(god) as the true purpose of life but sadly Christianity and all other organised religions prevent people from knowing their true and highest selves. Their whole attention and energies are directed towards a universal heavenly god created by the imagination of men. Christianity even regards the human self as sin. Self is regarded as the flesh which is also synonymous with sin in Christianity. No! Self is not sin. It is the most radically beautiful and most precious gift everyman possesses. Self is consciousness, self is you, self is god. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by KingEbukasBlog(m): 5:31am On Dec 21, 2017 |
dalaman: See how empty you are . This was my response to you when you raised this same nonsense . Now pay attention to your own response and see that bluntly refused to accept my explanation not that you defeated it . Empty as always . 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by KingEbukasBlog(m): 5:41am On Dec 21, 2017 |
@ dalaman KingEbukasBlog: dalaman: See the two comments . I explained what "repent" in the passage means . But you chose to stick to your inane position and I had to let you be . You see how empty you are . 1 Like |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by KingEbukasBlog(m): 5:46am On Dec 21, 2017 |
Mujtahida: KingEbukasBlog: Its obvious you want don't to accept that God can speak to a person directly . That's your business . I don't need to force you to accept that God can speak to anyone . Or perform miracles through anyone . |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by KingEbukasBlog(m): 5:51am On Dec 21, 2017 |
@dalaman Jeremiah 42: 10 (American International Version ) If you will indeed stay in this land, then I will build you up and not tear you down, and I will plant you and not uproot you; for I will relent concerning the calamity that I have inflicted on you. God uses calamity as punishment , then withdraws from using calamity as punishment . Its like saying that the Governor who has now pardoned criminals on Independence Day is evil for doing so Another evidence of your emptiness 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by KingEbukasBlog(m): 5:58am On Dec 21, 2017 |
@ dalaman KingEbukasBlog: Jeremiah 42:10 (New International Version (NIV) 10 ‘If you stay in this land, I will build you up and not tear you down; I will plant you and not uproot you, for I have relented concerning the disaster I have inflicted on you. Jeremiah 42:10Contemporary English Version (CEV) 10 I am sorry that I had to punish you, and so I now tell you to stay here in Judah, where I will plant you and build you up, instead of tearing you down and uprooting you. Jeremiah 42:10New English Translation (NET Bible) 10 ‘If you will just stay in this land, I will build you up. I will not tear you down. I will firmly plant you. I will not uproot you. For I am filled with sorrow because of the disaster that I have brought on you. Here are different versions showing evidence of your emptiness 3 Likes 2 Shares
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Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by KingEbukasBlog(m): 6:01am On Dec 21, 2017 |
Mujtahida: The adoration of one's self has led to so much evil in this world , that's if you are cognizant of the evil Marxism , Fascism , Socialism has brought upon man 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by KingEbukasBlog(m): 6:13am On Dec 21, 2017 |
AgentOfAllah: Are you trying to say that one cannot admit that he can't refute an argument or proposition ? |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by danvon(m): 6:40am On Dec 21, 2017 |
Just want to ask op before you tell them God doesn't exist which 'God' are you referring to specifically 1 Like |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by AgentOfAllah: 6:46am On Dec 21, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:No, I'm not trying to say such a thing. Honest people can! But at the same time, honest people can also be cognitively biased enough not to recognize when their propositions are wrong. To be a judge in your own case, you must meet roughly three criteria: 1) You have to be honest, even if against yourself, since this will lead to the right judgement. 2) You have to be fully cognitively rational, so that the right judgement isn't tainted by your own preconceptions. 3) The parties involved must trust that you possess the first two qualities, so that they may accept your judgement as indisputably right. The former two are naturally very difficult criteria to meet for anyone. But even if by some miracle, you manage those, the third one is particularly impossible when there is conflict of interest. As such, it is never ethical to offer to be the judge in a debate in which you're already heavily biased towards one of the sides. One would think, as a seasoned debater, this point isn't lost on you. 9 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by dalaman: 7:04am On Dec 21, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: These are dubious bible versions that sort to change the true meaning because the translators DO NOT like what the original message says and chose to change it to give it their own acceptable meaning. That is why there are DIFFERENT English translations of the bible each carrying the agenda of the publisher. That is a know FACT. There is a very different meaning between disaster and evil. Filled with sorrow is different from repenting. Which is the actual translation of the verse? I am.always very careful before I throw bible verses at people. The JPS which the Jews consider as the most accurate English translation of the Hebrew Bible translates the verse as follows : JPS Tanakh 1917 "If ye will still abide in this land, then will I build you, and not pull you down, and I will plant you, and not pluck you up; for I repent Me of the evil that I have done unto you". This is from the JPS which the Jews consider as the most accurate English translation of the Hebrew Bible. The verse speaks for itself. It says I repent for the evil i've done unto you. Diffrent Bible translators found it unpalatable and decided to spin it and give it their own meaning from saying am sorry for the punishment, to am sorry for the disaster that I sent. Punishment and disasters do not mean evil. This is another evidence that your God is a man made entity, his words and everything he says or does has to be done by man with his different agenda. Men will write down the words and others with totally different agendas will come and translate it for other men. Same men will then go and speared this word. Your God never does anything for himself. It's men that do everything for it, yet it exist . Your sorry of an OP is trying to establish the existence of a God using some beer palor gimmicks. You think if A God exist it will rely on you and your beer palor gimmicks to prove it's existence to atheist? You remaina huge and empty joke. 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by JackBizzle: 7:24am On Dec 21, 2017 |
dalaman: The worst is the king James version, especially the newer version. See remixing of verses. 1 Like |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by Mujtahida: 8:44am On Dec 21, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:So you read only the first paragraph of what I wrote but you didn't read this part I do not doubt that god can speak to me or your god speak to you or any other person's god speak to them because I believe everyman carries his god within his heart. I do not believe in a universal biblical God that speaks to others through a book or human proxies. The god in the bible is a word created god. He is a powerful fiction. Your god is not my god and my god is not your god as surely as my life is mine, not yours and yours not mine. 1 Like |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by dalaman: 8:48am On Dec 21, 2017 |
JackBizzle: Christians create the God they want to follow and worship it using what ever translation of the bible they want. Some verses are translated so differently that they carry contradictory messages and meanings. I 1 Like |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by Mujtahida: 9:02am On Dec 21, 2017 |
AgentOfAllah:Stop wasting your time and energy. The criteria for the debate is as absurdly unprecedented if not inane as it can ever be in the annals. Nemo judex in causa sua (which is a maxim of law) meaning you cannot be a judge in your own case. It's non-sensical to propose a debate on such criteria. 1 Like |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by ScienceWatch: 9:11am On Dec 21, 2017 |
dalaman:There must be something wrong with mind Sir. The King is doing his best to help you, but truly your insanity is exhausting. Have mercy |
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